as in st. john's call. it's been called america's most segregated city and now those tensions are turning into violence so is the economy to blame for the trouble and milwaukee wisconsin and worse the mainstream media needed. that last year we bought it for four hundred million barrels of oil from saudi arabia we bankrolled a state that doesn't allow women to drive. so where should america turn instead for oil well it depends on who you ask because it's a sticky situation will debate the inevitable x.l. pipeline and canada's tar sands. i wanted to write what i remembered about these events while mr cheney it seems your recollection may be a bit different than others when it comes to the war on terror so with the bush

administration's trilogy of memoirs on different pages whose version of history will the world remember. it's tuesday august thirtieth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for a sound you're watching our t.v. i want to start his show with us and things going around in the country that perhaps give us a feel for the pulse of the nation these days there are of course a number of factors to consider but i want to look first at president obama's approval rating for the third week in a row it is at the lowest in his presidency you take a look you can see according to gallup forty per cent and that includes this week a two day all time low of thirty eight percent approval and the economy of course primary concern for people from both parties and many cities across america the straw. will is manifesting itself in the form of extreme violence especially from

young people who feel they have no prospects for jobs or otherwise in the future one of our cities is milwaukee wisconsin where earlier this month there was mass violence in the form of riots this is cell phone video taken at the wisconsin state fair earlier this month this was in milwaukee county now according to nine one one calls and witness accounts hundreds maybe thousands of young black people were attacking light people in the streets one call from someone saying his mother had been attacked others who said they were pulled from their cars even after a motorcycle i don't know about you but i don't really see much coverage of this at all race riots in a major city all of the news on major networks seems often to look more like this nancy grace will reportedly be competing on the new season of dancing with the stars let's talk about the drafts or should i say dressers fiance and jersey

expecting a child and she made that announcement at the video music awards. all right so what's going on here why are problems like this like these race riots still happening in this day i want to try to figure that out earlier i spoke to milwaukee zone alderman bob donovan so sign off i asked him about the issue of race throughout his city and how it's led to some serious problems there here's his take . well it can christine with no adult the law has been labeled and continues to be over the years a segregated community i think that's changing to some extent but certainly when you look at the city i'm walking compared to the suburbs which are largely white but the suburbs a lot he is most definitely segregated we're seeing a greater movement toward other parts of the city book more and more it's becoming

the minority community as a couple that would be a huge problem in the black meal on an employment in the walk in center city some placing it as close to fifty percent that has its problems that unfortunately there are far too many individuals in mularkey who have chosen to ignore it so when you actually some of these when you have fifty percent as any kind of population unemployed i can certainly lead to a host of problems i'm wondering though i mean is this a place that if people visit no lock is this a place where you see you know interracial couples walking on the street or is it simply kept so separate that people don't even acknowledge each other all you certainly see if you can get a racial couples and i mean i you know i wouldn't want to paint a picture that isn't realistic but water is a beautiful city we have

a great downtown and we have many great amenities and i've said that we've got some problems so i could certainly use it a racial couples and you know those high percentage brigaded days. are long gone we're seeing a significant numbers of blacks for over the city and a large of this panic population walkies a very very diverse community and the same god i mean this is really surprising to me to hear about. hundreds of young black people mostly guys i. consciously attacking people inside and outside of the state fair a few weeks ago one of the calls i heard was from somebody calling in saying there's a black on white fight in the middle of the street where does this sound fun. well you know that's a good question i'm simply saying we need to burst in we've got this problem and i think this whole community was really was

a wake up call aware that curtis katy perry is at the same time i will tell you it is problems have gotten more walking i believe for whatever reason there is an effort to keep some of it under wraps. and that concerns me but we are julie. many elected officials in the walk in who choose to ignore this because it's such a volatile issue i'm simply saying you have come up with a ten point plan to try to address the problem first play a critical problem exists and then taking steps to address it i think that's a really interesting point i know that you have said this before that when it comes especially to race and use violence a lot of people simply throw their hands in the air like you say they choose to ignore and they don't want to talk about it and they certainly don't want to think outside the box when it comes to dealing with that. i want to hear about some of your plans in

a second but just in terms of people kind of choosing to avoid it in making this sort of the elephant in the room what have you encountered. well wait for it lou we have a very good community with my opinion is that it is not a zero indicating a czar is it may sound. what occurred at state there was not a racial or that's absurd it was that we as a community become together and there and then. work together in bashing a plan to deal with it but when that's coming from the mayor it becomes very difficult to. to be given to galvanize the community and when you've got the number one leader saying nothing to see here not a certain not just america as well i know that when i've been reading about this kind of in looking for something from the police department there in milwaukee and it just seems to be

a series of no comments we're not talking about it right now when the mayor and the police are not addressing this problem how is there any hope of it being fixed. well you're right although i will say this i think their support you're going to see some leadership coming from some other segments and malarkey and it's about time i've had some very productive meetings with other individuals who are open community that are indeed was willing to stand up and see it we've got some problems let's explore how we can work together to solve them and fortunately when you're dealing with politics we have been far too many individuals and in this community wait to see which way the parade is handed and then run to the front to lead it well so be it but some of us are going to take the bull by the horns and do what we can to dress and scrub and sadly bob that's not just happening and malaki

in terms of people doing whatever the wind blows whichever way the wind blows contact me a little bit about now we don't have time for all ten of your points but just one or two things that you think could really change the tide there. well i'm hoping three things right off the bat number one we seriously need to look at our juvenile justice system i think it's paro dated and it's not nearly addressing the reality of growing up in an urban environment this day and age so number one we need some significant changes to the rudiments to the new book the justice system secondly i'm hoping that to which critical in my estimation is that young people who are are on the beds are facing real challenges be taken out of the environment that is causing that those problems gotten into boarding schools even to the boy the of

resurrecting orphanages if necessary to provide a more stable environments every kid is jervis to grow up in a safe secure nurturing environment and for a variety of reasons that are simply not occurring here in milwaukee and i might add in many many other large urban centers throughout america god i ask you i mean you've said it changing the juvenile justice system that's a process that could cost millions of dollars and millions of dollars that most cities and states don't have right now you've talked about taking children out of their homes i mean i don't think that's really going to fly with a lot of people whether or not you think their parents are doing a good job of raising man you know some of these kids live with their parents and plucking them from those environments just seems like a hard idea to sell. well and you're right that necessarily advocating bad at the same time we've got

a lot of kids in the boster care program that is largely a broken system i say abort able to take some of them into a boarding school environment or an orphanage i'm certainly not advocating taking kids from good families yet i will also say this there are a significant number of families will admit they can't handle the burdens of that their children are presenting i've got if we need to we need to offer those kids something better at the same time regarding the juvenile justice system regarding. your finances regarding boarding schools this state this community this special government spends althorp of money in big here in. correctional systems in. education i'm not necessarily advocating

spending more let's redirect the monies we're already spending into some. pilot projects that could indeed make a difference you had mentioned christine before they can go to say the box we can't be afraid to do that we've got some serious problems and we need to be in it and start thinking outside the box because the status quo isn't getting the job done and that was alderman of the eighth district in a lucky wisconsin. i want to talk about something that's been going on for the last several days just a few blocks from our studios outside of the white house every single day a group of protesters has been gathered outside speaking out against a proposed oil pipeline that appears to be in motion to be built it's called the keystone pipeline and would extend about seventeen hundred miles from alberta canada to the gulf coast in texas and would transport oil sands it's

a seven billion dollars billion dollar project going to parent lee double oil imports from canada now critics call this the dirtiest project on earth some saying it's yet another example of big oil just getting what they want hundreds including well known actors and scientists have been getting arrested while protesting proponents including the white house say that this project would have minimal impact on the environment but if we don't build it someone else namely china will that's why she was a fellow at the institute for policy studies and has some major problems with his proposal and joins me now to talk about it let's talk first just in very simple terms some of the biggest issues you have with this tar sands project well as you mentioned it's highly polluting it's it would be like burning coal in your car the carbon intensity of tar sands it's not just that you're extracting this incredibly

polluting tar from the sandy soil of alberta north but the energy that's required to extract that bitumen from the tar sands is so great that you're essentially doubling your greenhouse gas emissions just by virtue of the fact that you have to produce so much energy to extract the energy coming out with all of the toxic byproducts of refining extracting the oil from the sand largely on first nations territory and then transporting it across the ogallala aquifer. the united states to texas where it will then be exported likely to another country and it's essentially you know it's a resource that we should be securing for that. day when we may actually run out of well we shouldn't be using these very scarce resources now in fact we should be shifting away from fossil fuels both in our interests of developing energy independence and in the interest of addressing the climate crisis i'll show you

a recent ad that's come out that takes sort of a different position than you and so many others who have been protesting outside the white house take a look. world stage that doesn't allow women to drive doesn't allow them to leave their homes or work with al their middle guardians permission and a state or a woman's testimony only counts for a little so why are we paying their bills and funding their oppression today there is a better way. from can it is it will sound it's. a choice we have to make. so what about this notion that this is the ethical thing to do that we need to be weaned off of middle east oil so why not get it from canada a country that we get along with great out of the frying pan into the fires or so to speak i mean yes there are clearly problems with women's rights issues in a lot of the countries that have the largest reserves of oil and that's something we should all be concerned about i find it ironic that this issue is now being

raised when in fact native native canadians and first nations people have been saying this is a very unethical project because it's killing not only the women but the children. all that all of the first nations people that are downstream from this tar sands project with extraordinary rates of cancers you have wildlife suffering as well and of course the ultimate consequence is all of us will suffer as as climate change spirals out of control i mean look at new york city was threatened by this very rare hurricane just last week you know hurricanes have been increasing in intensity and in frequency and when was the last time we had a hurricane that stretched up almost the entire east coast and sea level rises with climate change cities like new york are going to be even more threatened by hurricanes like irene regarding climate change i mean that is a global issue that's not something that you can you know control it based on

various parts of the earth and clearly everyone has said that if we don't jump on board with this project that will apparently create thousands and thousands i think i read twenty thousand jobs here in the united states. that china is just waiting in the wings to snap up this project instead if climate change is an argument how can you say that it will change anything if we don't do it someone else well well you know you know that's the same issue whether we're talking about coal or tar sands and yet time and time again in this country people have stood up and said in fact we've watched the planned construction of coal fired power plants actually be put on hold over the last few years as a result of popular resistance to coal fired power the united states needs to take a leadership position despite the fact that we haven't done so at the international level we need to lead by example if we expect china and other countries to follow our lead and let's face it you know that china would do the opposite of following our lead if we said no to this would not only turn down thousands of jobs we'd give

them to a country that seems to be beating us at least economically speaking well you know china is let's let's step back from vilifying china because china has taken far more action in terms of addressing the climate crisis the nineteen states has while simultaneously trying to address the economic development needs of its population so whether it's a foregone conclusion that china will go in there if the united states really does take a strong position against this pipeline we'll just have to see how that plays out there are other ways of resisting the pipeline going through canada or maybe the canadian citizens want to take on that issue if they decide to build a pipeline through canada instead of through the united states but let's take it one step at a time and and really look at the ethical implications for all the people involved in this and finally got me i just got to ask you and i know that you're certainly not alone and your opinion hundreds of already been arrested for this cause but you

know frankly we're at a time when unemployment is more than nine percent the economy is still very bad president obama's approval rating is low here is bigger fish to fry than this in. mental issue in this country why should people care about the tar sands when they're out of work when their employments going to run out and you know we do need to be talking about job creation and let's look at the numbers in terms of clean energy jobs the amount of jobs good paying jobs that you could create for the long term not for the short term as would be the case with the tar sands because the tar sands will eventually run out what we need is a long term economic growth opportunity that's being put forward by the president and it really is in the hands of the president the state department has weighed in in favor of the e.p.a. has basically issued very strong criticisms of the tar sands project that really advances the economic development agenda that we all care about right daphne why show a fellow at the institute for policy studies thanks so much for joining us and sharing

that perspective. and moving on now to the way america will be perceived in the future we are coming up on a ten year anniversary of the terrorist attacks of nine eleven just how the sixth year anniversary of hurricane katrina and we have some perspective now about the way the wars we are involved in started and in the last year or so some key players in all of those events have come out with books their versions of history as it unfolded the problem is much of those so-called historic accounts are at odds with one another well for more on this i asked former cia analyst ray mcgovern to talk a little bit about the impact that these books could have the fact of their opinions and their thoughts about this are clashing here's what he said. well they're totally self serving of course surprise surprise and the worst thing is that there are very few people to put them into context and perspective. dick cheney was one for merrily responsible for starting with

a world where our first real war of aggression were in very defined that forces the supreme international crime differing from other war crimes only and so for as it contains the accumulation of evil with the whole ok if you believe in evil or whatever it was of torture will be kidnapping people putting people of black holes in the police whereas of the children much less a request so that's what the word aggression on least mystically like illegal eavesdropping and all kinds of stuff mostly at the behest of the cheney there was nobody to stand up to him but he doesn't seem to be denying i his significant role in starting any of these then the reason for that is that our current president has chickened out and shaken down once and what sense is going to look ahead when. it's as though somebody is so clueless to so many murders ok and they say well you know it happened in the past we're just going to look ahead this is

a total total avoidance of of criminal war and they should be allowed to see it and i just i mean it was so obvious with dick cheney did was visit cia headquarters regularly when they asked the deputy director for intelligence how many times you know like between nine eleven and the attack on iraq how many times we go there and she said well it was as is about somewhere between five and eighteen. they don't sell records of how many times the place but now people say he says i usually suppose there's a lot of business and i said i was like the usual as a president obama are sort of this the twenty seven years never wants to face person to come and visit us to help us with our analysis can't get a break if we if he. really needed help we would come down to him so he was in there at least five people say multiple times and he twisted the intelligence and to his discredit george george tenet p c and i don't mean politically correct i

mean pandering and. craven he thought that his job was to. use the presidents that women were present in the story were and so george tenet but the hist of dick cheney served up what the senate intelligence committee later called intelligence that was uncorroborated contradicted and sometimes nonexistent now let's not exist in the thousands look like this it's always the case for dick cheney and it got us into trouble deep in the middle east and the insane just hang on to candy for us for one more question on it not just a book that that's going on here at dick cheney is now making the rounds i think mostly on n.b.c. it seems like he's defending his book promoting it and i want to take a look at just a piece of an interview he did this morning with n.b.c.'s matt lauer on that show and given the fact that it severely damaged our reputation around the world and there were no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction you still think it's worth

it you know sure i don't. think that damage our reputation around the world i just don't believe that i think you know the critics or don't want to argue that but in fact i think it was sound policy that dealt with a very serious problem and that they limited saddam hussein from. from the kind of problem a prisoner of war. so dick cheney doesn't believe that this impacted our reputation it was however one of the statements like this what impact if i could have well to the degree they're not contradictory to read it aloud or i don't know what he said after that but you know when he was interviewing interviewing cheney's boss bush and he said do you still think torture was right and bush said well my lawyers said it was all right and i left it at that you know so you have to challenge these people when i challenged rumsfeld in public in atlanta i was i was called immediately by a very high person and c.n.n.

saying aren't you three this is. if you're asking me if i. actually was a real hard you know you might want to do your homework get questions real questions as from some of your questions you'll find it's a real high tech. interesting i want to talk now about another book that's getting ready to come out this one written by a former f.b.i. agent ali soufan who's having a different sort of problem his memoir is called the leak than are the inside story of nine eleven and the war against al qaeda he lays out some significant information that nobody is disputing the accuracy of and said instead of the cia is demanding that a large portion of the book be cut they're saying that a lot of the information here is classified but the author is saying not only is it not classified it's available for anyone who looks for it and talk about this very different problem about truth being kept out of the public eye or else the old codgers probably question what is truth here the agency has its own on record with

its here and they contend that these enhanced interrogation techniques which are really torture and all those who fund knows better than anybody else that they didn't as a matter of fact they were counterproductive to this degree to get any information out of these suspects it was through the traditional variation techniques which are to develop a rapport or give a person some something to believe that he could confide some information and you know the head of the head of army intelligence at the time said you know no good intelligence and certain good it's come from harsh interrogation techniques but this shows that in the last five years come a difficult years come also show that the head of a real intelligence so you have the army you have the f.b.i. he has cia in the middle but unfortunately cia is in the position of being able to question those pervasion when somebody in the white house summons up the courage to

say look this is ridiculous you know to fund those with disk. or is there a list of mahler who shows a grad student has it within the past and says look i professionals as a real professional you guys were hacks as were contractors that you were hired to do the job and you did it in a reasonable way you tortured water boarded teaching you how to have been eaten three times if your break was it means. you were an analyst at the cia for many years analyze this for me for some of us that we're seeing coming out in these books from rumsfeld to george w. bush to dick cheney and these mistakes or looking back regarding iraq regarding afghanistan how do these different versions of history kind of play into what's going on now in libya in syria how do these different versions affects the decisions that will that have been made since and will be made in the future it's a really good question the very fact that directly ok take libya now let me put it

this way it's libya's main export what a moment's instead of oil would be no chance would be in there who's responsible for for that it's the french just as they were responsible for the suez and for taking over the sewage protected from ok what they need is the very poor will do to get some of you tell us the same way and so the british the french and italians came to bush and they were bush there is a president that was what are the difference came to obama's and can you help us if we were you know i don't want to give any ground yeah you can have all my god is my brussels and my cruise missiles and stuff so billions of dollars are going to that enterprise that should be going into the schools as a courthouses into the of the civil structures of this country very very interesting thing you think that that there is and will be concern will continue to be i direct relation between some of that intelligence that's sort of being spun in

some different direction and terms of the future i mean how do we stop that well. you know we have this constitution. and more than enough this constitutional interest to have a no they say that george bush called it just a piece of paper but it's not and i swore was a solemn oath to protect and defend the constitution and so did those people so did president obama i constitution allots to be to the people by which i mean they were presented as in the house of representatives the slope rugged declare war president can't can't make a world without the congress that's what he's done it was not a war we just bombing we were just we're defending civilians we're in reality the killing is defending so we have here is a typical war to acquire or to take control over their natural resources which of course in this case what was port or so left afghanistan or iraq and now syria this is a good syrian well it's incredibly strange.