welcome to the lower show where you get the real headlines with none of them or see we live in washington d.c. now it's in our going to take a look at the new jobs numbers that come out for the month of august let's say there is a big fat zero but the fines that we're also getting examine the growth of the cia from an intelligence agency and you appear military operation in the now just goes for the kill scott morton will join us for the what africa speech investigative reporter radley balko about a new video that shows an examiner used by mississippi courts fabricated evidence to send a woman away for forty four years to have all of that morphia tonight including

a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to me it's. all right so say the jobs numbers for the month of august came out and if the months prior to this what could be called disappointing negative bad dismal pull then august is just. now excuse my language but that's basically the only way to look at all the official unemployment numbers stated i'm point one percent the economy added exactly zero jobs last month that's right they say not one got two not even three but a big fat zero so as we always point out there of course is a difference between the official unemployment rate and the real unemployment rate is measured by the view six the use six is the one it takes you can into consideration those who are discouraged marginally attached working part time for economic reasons and that number actually went up from sixteen point one percent in july to

a nice sixteen point two percent in august now of course you never hear the mainstream media report that you six never to you god knows why but that's a constant but today they actually pulled a new trick what are another number that they normally always ignore but today they decided that. at one group in america black americans struggling to find work are really stand out in terms of the bad situation here only get worse among african-americans if you look at the number of black americans unemployed the figure is just about seventeen percent as congressman cleaver said you know the pros of those who have a single vote united states congress that's ok because it was. wow just wow you know it's like the people who are vox news woke up today and said hey how do we talk about those black people that live in this country they exist right we usually never mention them unless there's something bad to say but you know if it's obama's economy that we should just go for the juggler five the worst number that's out there to rub it i would just like to say welcome mainstream media to

reality yet sixteen point seven percent black unemployment is a huge problem in this country but it's been one for a while you look back at every month of this year lot unemployment was always much higher than overall unemployment in july was fifteen point nine percent in june it was sixteen point two percent in may it was also sixteen point two percent i'm not going to keep going but i think you get the point it's been bad it's a really great problem and one that needs to be addressed on that we've spoken about consistently on the show but i guess the mainstream media just remember today that black people exist maybe tomorrow they'll remember the word war so congratulations for finally catching up to the real world where people are struggling where it's not all about the he said she said on capitol hill but one that so far the d.c. new york media bubble has been content to miss. the. arts and now let's get into the economic figures that came out today and try to figure out what they mean as i mentioned zero zero zero jobs were

added in august the private sector out of the measly seventeen thousand that came out of nothing when you out of the seventeen thousand public sector jobs that were lost and in fact if you look at the figures since the recession officially ended the joke in itself the u.s. economy. has lost nearly six hundred thousand government jobs and the private sector isn't making up for it and courting to some conservative thought is supposed to happen so we just move on to the new theory already here to discuss this with me is anthony randolph the director of economic research for the reason foundation and he thanks so much for being here tonight sure sure you seem not not so sure i just i just know your last caller was kind of funny i'm sure you will get into that well for starters let's. zero in jobs were added which hasn't happened since one thousand nine hundred forty five apparently the same time you have hours worked that went down you had wages that go down you could have said that the rise in strike that's forty five thousand people and not part of that did but they also revised figures for the month of july they revised figures for the month of june

it's all in all just a really it is yeah it's a really horrible it once again it's a really bad out of or a good sort of employment report same thing last month was a really bad player report and we're going to see this stuff kind of continuing on we're we're not really at a bottom of sorts we're just really in this lethargic we're going to be sliding down in terms of jobs for a while it may pick back up but even the white house today revised their sort of the white house estimates for next year predicting nine percent unemployment through the through the end of next year and we revised you just mentioned june and july down we revised a third of the jobs that we thought we gained away so it wasn't just a small revision it was june july actually we thought we had about one hundred fifty thousand jobs that is more like one hundred thousand jobs that's really bad particularly if you see our you think of in next month we're going to revise that zero number that's probably going to go down into the negatives so all in all the job market right now it's not

a good place and it's not going to be bouncing back anytime soon because of the core structural things of what's going on in the economy let's talk about some of those things right because as i mentioned earlier some of the thought out there at least for conservative thought she was that we need to get rid of government spending we'd get rid of government jobs there bad bad bad deal where the. private sector is always going to make up for it but now we've lost six hundred thousand government jobs and the private sector isn't really making up for it so what is that i mean has has the private sector changed is there something different going on right now in the situation ok so in terms of you know you frame it for me that way i would say actually yes some things in the private sector have changed first though. the white house is actually trying to frame this as if we stimulate the economy then we can pull it back and private sector jobs will will somehow be created and that's what we've been trying to do that's what white house and congressional policy has been over the past couple years is let's try and stimulate a way to this and then the cola back and nothing was sustainable the stimulus the stimulus did not create sustainable jobs or the private sectors and creating

anything but the private sector has changed it we've walked so from the beginning of two thousand and seven through today there are about two or so million fewer construction workers now and about a million of those and found in other jobs is about a million unemployed construction workers so does that mean that we should build more roads and create more jobs for construction workers or does it mean that leading up to two thousand and seven there were too many construction workers there was the how even perhaps there are too many construction workers building too many houses that are going to need to go to the housing bubble but there are infrastructure projects there are a lot of roads that need to be repaired a lot of things that could be built in communities right there are things that could be done but they're small things are not big things are not things that are going to bring us three million jobs so we had a high point about your criteria the entire united states not going to bring three million jobs and they're not going to be sustainable jobs construction jobs were a huge part of the stimulus and we saw an uptick in jobs the falling unemployment number but then those jobs went away because construction those construction work

jobs are temporary leading up to two thousand and seven we had all those workers because it was a housing bubble and the housing bubble was fueled in part by the government's now that means that the private sector shouldn't be trying to get back to where it was in two thousand and seven it's changed. it's going to look different and that means it's going to take a while for things to readjust so where are those other one million construction workers going to go will they need retraining and that's going to take time and they need to move elsewhere in the country well that means they need to sell their house those are things are going to take a long time ok but there are other things that are going on too and for example i'll give you two examples that really just irked me this week first of all we saw a t. and t. trying to get its merger with the go through which of course the justice department ended up stopping before that they made all these grand promises and says well if you do let us have this magnificent thirty nine billion dollars merger what does bring back five thousand calls on our jobs like it's nothing you also have amazon right now in california they don't want to sales tax to go through on line they're

saying well if you just postpone it for two years then we'll bring you seven thousand jobs so it's not like these companies can't bring jobs back if they've already taken them abroad it's not big can't create them they just choose not to and for me that's a perfect example of if you actually hold their feet to the fire if you actually say we will raise taxes we will do that you can suddenly brought change their minds and hire again you know perfectly i'm confused as to why you want these companies to do this because what you're asking is you think companies should be buying political favors because that's irish are you do you like obscene is that i'm saying it's a very blatantly obvious candidates going on way is that the government is scared of companies that they want to put any pressure on any companies right now they don't want to close any tax loopholes because god forbid the companies flee and take jobs elsewhere but they're already doing that so instead of trying to force companies to bring jobs back you know by pointing a gun at their head what's ask yourselves why does eighteen t. have five thousand workers overseas in the first place why does it was not and why is it cheaper because of tax codes because of the regulatory code because of

various licensing fee because you can also pay people a lot less money you would not call minimum wage here in the united states you can pay people less money but the incentives to hire people in the united states whether it's the way that benefits work whether it is. it is tax burden and regulatory burden driving up costs on companies they look for cheaper labor elsewhere because of the laws in the legal system here in the united states because of the the burden that's placed on companies here so we could point to gun i've heard this argument a lot of times but at the same time we have reports coming out this week right that the c.e.o.'s of the top one hundred companies in this country the axons and you know or whatever else is on there they actually made more than their entire company the largest corporations in the world paid in income taxes they all have subsidiaries in tax haven so there are a lot of things that they're getting around and i'm just tired of hearing these excuses but let's move on because i also want to talk about housing with you right now we've heard reports that there's going to be a federal agency is going to launch a lawsuit against

a number of the big banks here for selling bad mortgages and is this supposed to be a good sign for us is this we were finally get some justice and someone's going to go after the banks or is this kind of this kind of ironic because you have the government bailed out the banks to keep them alive and now the government is going to sue a space for thirty billion dollars which some people are saying could cripple them if you have this whole package went through and so the question is what is the government doing at this point like what you want you want to do you want to you know hit the banks the main reason why f.h.a. fail which is the agency that oversees fannie mae and freddie macas filing this lawsuit is because the taxpayers have had to bail out fannie and freddie fannie and freddie made a lot of bad business decisions and a lot of loans from a lot of the big banks and now they're saying to big banks to save them a lot of those loans so now. the taxpayers are going to try and soon get that money back so you anywhere that it is true that any of the banks defrauded fannie

and freddie with a lawsuit should be brought to them and we should we should get justice in the taxpayers should be had will the day in this case it actually probably does have to be done by the government because the government is now running fannie and freddie the. in our part of the government's holistically they're the conservative so they need to do that but the question the question is is this going to help matters any is this going to help the housing market it's not going to help the housing market bounce back anytime soon is this going to provide a whole bunch of tax relief to the united states taxpayer because we did a couple billion dollars back you know it's not really going to do that is there going to be much justice but it was probably not because a lot of this isn't provable and a lot of this is fannie and freddie's fault too even if the banks defrauded them fannie and freddie should have been looking careful more carefully i what they were buying in the first place so this is largely it's a political move on behalf of f.h.a. it's the government is going to try and look like they're not in bed with the big

banks at the end of the day it's not going to be a three billion dollars you know let's not talking about that whether or not they're in bed at the big banks this is you know if this lawsuit actually goes forward then the other lawsuit of course this massive settlement that you and i spoke about attorney general eric schneiderman in new york was trying to block because i mean that that that can't go through though but at the same time aren't based signing on part of the compromise saying that they're barred from any other litigation so the the mortgage servicing right issue can be dealt with separately by the agee's in such a way that they actually passed an agreement specifically about failures of mortgage servicing rights and one of the things that the new york attorney general wants to do is he wants to get a big grand deal that would wind up covering them from everything what the other attorney generals want to do is they want to just focus on the mortgage servicing right issue so that they can still bring a lawsuit and so the banks are only covered on mortgage servicing rights which is this sort of really nebulous aspect of the whole housing service the. second i

already see your viewers sort of falling asleep put it isn't possible for that deal to be settled and for this deal to go through without them conflicting ok now anthony thanks so much for joining us today. now coming out more interesting information is revealed about cia methods of the veils left on secret rendition flights around the world of an update on that story next and also has the cia turned into a killing agency instead of an intelligence agency but again the subject was scott horton contributing editor of harper's magazine. into that only a new regime and you don't work to bring justice or accountability. no i have every right to know what my government should do it want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you

know some judges see a story and it seems so for like the plague is it you understand it and then he lives something else here's some other part of it and realized everything you saw you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big fish. says. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think iraq is on the oil. we have a government says they're going to keep you safe get ready because the freedom.

for. got an update on a story we first brought you yesterday they were how billing dispute between two aviation companies and leaking sensitive details about the cia an extraordinary rendition as the companies say they were hired to transport government personnel and their invitees to places around the world come to find out they were

transporting detainees to secret prisons in places like pakistan sri lanka and libya on private jets the cost three hundred thousand a pop out for each of these rendition flights over the state department to sign off on it sign a letter and inside it to the flight crew however as the associated press pointed out today those signatures may have been forged you see they were all signed by the same person at the state department a mr terry hogan when the a.p. went looking through the state department directory there was no evidence of mr hogan ever working there and we should note two of the signature for mr hogan changed distinctly on each flight that he signed off so it looks like the cia was using mr hogans name as an alias for their rendition flights that way they didn't actually have to let a real live state department official it on their program and this however is not a new warning to report from back in two thousand and five the cia often uses aliases in small rural companies to pose a front for secret lives around the world they use these fronts to send agents and

detainees around the world because easier to be discreet less noticeable when you're using a huge military plane everything to ensure that as few people as possible about their activities you know it's truly an amazing. but information which has been blocked by the cia for years has finally made it to the public record for most small loss to upstate new york and like i said yesterday the more we learn about the cia's extraordinary rendition procedures and what we can work to make sure the government's intelligence arm stays in line and future. now published today the washington post takes a good look at the cia and how it's changed over the last ten years house gone from an embarrassed and seemingly infinite intelligence agency that failed to stop the nine eleven attacks to now a paramilitary killing machine agency has about thirty predator and reaper drones at its disposal and is working feverishly somewhere in the arabian peninsula to construct a new base and for those rooms according to the washington post the drone program has killed more than two thousand militants and civilians since two thousand and

one the cia's counterterrorism center which on nine eleven have three hundred employees now has more than two thousand on staff and even with the amber analytic branch about twenty percent of the analysts are now quote targets scanning data for individuals to recruit arrest or mostly kill with a drone strike this is a development it has many people questioning not only if the cia's usual intelligence gathering is suffering for example being prepared for the arab spring but perhaps more importantly raises a lot of questions about the legality of their actions and the lack of oversight and accountability joining me to discuss this is scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine scott i want to thank you for joining us tonight now of course we all know that the cia launches drone strikes but this is something that they never publicize it's something of a try to keep a secret is possible now the washington post is reporting that they have thirty predator and reaper drones and they claim to have killed two thousand people since two thousand and one more than you expected. you know when i think we can say the

number is growing i think we'll see it stepping up rationally and we'll see probably an entire anyway it's because new robotic weapons systems coming in there and i think this point so i think that washington post for you actually the periphery very well done very well present there and it presents right to see which is the leader of a militarized cia for a generation cia was essentially an intelligence gathering and analysis operation not a minor paramilitary component it would hire mercenaries is a grant in the bay of pigs invasion for instance a few things like that but that was a minor side show for it so operation now it is really a military operation and when we look at what's going on an awkward for instance we see a sustained we're a fair campaign going on targeting. terrorist organizations over

a large virtual country going on now for more than five years with probably about three thousand people killed and the objective is not to gather intelligence it's to take out the enemy it's a classic military operation where would you say that it's more that the cia is starting to take over that they launch more drawn franks now than even the military it does or that the two are just starting to fuse together the cia and the military on the contractors and what not. well i think it's definitely it's generally the case of cia as an economy and temporal part of the defense community. previously wouldn't serve it were both elements of intelligence and the now it's really an orderly organization in fact you can see that right the top i mean the last two secretaries of state were in there prior in part of simple elegance and conversely we now have a slew of generals going in and taking over to run the cia and the only question is

whether they should be a proper uniform before they go in and set up the operation so i'd say install integration in the defense establishment is just now a step back and i think the working clothes were even swirling really underscores for now and of course i think we have to get the way perhaps might be the most damning thing about this all is the cia operates under its own legal pretenses it doesn't operate with the type of oversight that we see with the military right congress the majority of members of congress i don't have the classification or aren't allowed to to see what the cia is up to so the more militarized the cia becomes and the less we know. well that's right i mean i think we have you know we have the armed services committee and we have the intelligence committees in congress and everything to do with the cia is the maynards of intelligence committees which are very tightly controlled but i think we've seen over certainly over the course of the last six or seven years the process of what sociologists

call capture that is the agency dominate the maybe the merits very little harsh oversight or critical questioning of the agency because on the intelligence i mean it's a little bit war and the armed services committee but not a lot more so i think i think they're in an area extremely weak oversight and now we see the possibility of raging military operations in or so avoiding any serious aggression roadsides that's i think the big concern that the worst. and so if we have an intelligence committee that the cia basically runs the intelligence committee like you're saying in the cia i mean this is just checking up and judging and grading itself. but i think we saw you know with the torture issue with other issues in the bush years we saw it with they were scattershot briefing that went on that basically we had a subcommittee saying groups of meters who will get ratings it will take notes and never really do it never throw up never ask me questions i never performed any

serious investigation and they would hire people from the agency as they're the staff and investigators individuals who are looking at jobs back with the same intelligence community and even one notable is flowing right back to the only agency sale where it's a little bit too chummy an arrangement there's our rapid critical detachment. we have previously we go back to the to the sixty's and seventy's the days of william point right for instance our congress really helped the agencies and acquire and criticized large are not even talking about what happened in one thousand seventy four when there was the closure of the cia's parents rules when they got up there arose nothing like that happens ok i wonder if one of the things that the washington post allege there too was that now the cia is poking things up focusing so much on these paramilitary operations how they have so many of their analysts

looking for targets on the ground to perhaps on a drone strike and that is their intelligence gathering starting to suffer of course we saw a lot of the arab spring start. coming from congress asking the cia why didn't you know this is going to happen. whether intelligence gathering where the arab spring was a disaster that's completely normal actually in darkness right now and it's no where the american where the terrorism center. but not mean in this article well let's look forward station she in cry row and it's a figure whose narrow under investigation projection authorities look as if some very dark things happened there. which i think points to some of our patients. are and has been some of the senior personnel who are now do you think to of course since president obama came into power i think that we've seen overall a difference in his approach in terms of not capturing as many people because well suddenly we don't have black sites to detain them and we don't want to bring new

people to guantanamo bay and so we saw this strategy shift from capturing to killing now we're hearing the exact same thing about the cia but so do you think that just means that they've shifted more to proxies for example unlike the president somalia that jeremy scahill reported on. yeah well you're making the criticism that joran you has been articulating a number of figures on the republican right this is their argument right now obama killed we will see the black holes where i think it's simple and i think it's like you put your finger on it i mean there are be a rapper good relationships that the u.s. intelligence community dealt with in intelligence i mean they used to hold people who somalia gays was going to we know the story where there was a major relationship or perhaps war with the moroccans with the jordanian we know what happened with the pakistanis it's unraveling very very slowly right now with the afghans and the iraqis certainly the cia has many many relationships of this

sort to spread on and most senior cia officials don't like the idea of running prisons to start with they think they don't have the personnel the training and the resources to do it they'd much rather rely on local governments to run the prisons of course i'm sure it's much easier that way too because then you have your hands mark lane on the fence now so we've heard so many rumors so much speculation about this drone base the runway to being built somewhere and the arabian peninsula do you have any guesses where that somewhere might be well i'll tell you the real focus of operations for the states is going to be game in and the question is whether they or their country which during the for the seventh otherwise i think it's pretty obviously somewhere in any event expected to be in a remote corner of the peninsula not near any major urban area ok

you know i just wonder to you said that we spec their technologies to continue growing and there's going to get their hands on more drones what else might go technologies. well i think is really the lead item your i mean look and ask who are new weapons systems were were there was only guarded by the military so yeah a. very inexperienced ration turned around completely but i think we're going to see further permutations of world so right now we are we have ruined aircraft but expect things develop their use on the right on the land and the sea and you will generations of room editors which are worse it's a very war cry or power i don't care what you were in. i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight make me with you. i will take a break for it so the family of our tools like a war fighters on a southern state so until the lawmakers and people who live together park mary an

expert witness expert witnesses are called to testify in trials across the u.s. but how life was witnesses and eye opening story tonight radley balko senior writer an investigative reporter for the huffington post drives me interesting. into the only military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice and accountability. i have a right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see the story of the scene so you think you understand it and then something else here's some other part of it and realized everything you saw.