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i charge is a big issue. let's not forget that we had an apartheid. i think. he'd want to well. we never got the book says here safe get ready because if you get your freedom. for.
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fear. i'd it's time for tonight's tolls on a war and i think goes to the g.o.p. in florida every single member of the republican establishment in the sunshine state but a few in g.o.p. lawmakers in tallahassee there's been some buzz on the web this week about a little known law in the books in florida and how that law is still being enforced today. more than a half million couples in florida are breaking the law and they might not even know it right now it is against florida law for unmarried people to live together and
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anyone who's caught could face a fine and be sent to jail. that's right there's a lot of dating back to eight hundred sixty eight that makes it illegal for unmarried couples to live together in the state and you must be asking yourself surely the state enforcing this crazy law right police of the court systems actually wasting taxpayer money and prosecuting people who are shacking up but you my friend would be wrong see in the last five years seven hundred people have been charged using this law in just the last year more than one hundred people were charged for cohabitation while not married it's a second degree misdemeanor and it carries heavy penalties it states that anyone in florida who lives together without being married could be charged with a misdemeanor face a fine of five hundred dollars and spend a maximum of sixty days in jail wow jail time and of fine so you think the lawmakers in florida realize that this outdated law making it look foolish they
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should just simply vote and repeal it right. wrong again one lone republican lawmaker in the state has been trying for years to get the measure taken off the books but with no luck. throwing it over the board pretty hard. go there already for. you know i have to applaud a state lawmaker rich workman he has made it his mission to repeal the statutes penalizing adultery and cohabitation but his fellow republicans keep saying no they currently run the state government in florida they're the majority in both the house and the senate and control the governor's office and that's where the problem begins you see the family values g.o.p. group is in no hurry to get the cohabitation law for the books and the governor's office says that rick scott is not focused on the issue when asked about the bill's state representative dennis baxley from kala florida said quote i'm not ready to give up on monogamy and a cultural statement that marriage still matters are the lawmakers living in the
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nineteenth century times have changed not everybody wants to get married plus the economy is bad a lot of couples a living together to save some money should they be punished for that absolutely not and as they progress points out one of the state's most prominent residents is technically breaking the law and be a star le bron james is cohabitate ing with his high school sweetheart in miami so when's he going to face charges and hopefully he can serve his jail time before the n.b.a. lockout is settled so you can see this cohabitation law is absurd it's moralistic it's just plain wrong and it's absolutely none of the government's business who people live with so you would think that the small government g.o.p. in florida would realize that apparently they don't and that's why we're giving them tonight's tool time warp. now sadly we have more stories to report on police using excessive force across the country to get a start in florida where a fifty seven year old autistic man was killed by police police say they received phone calls about a man who was walking around outside with what looked like a rifle and when i got to the scene they saw the man ernest with cell holding the
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weapon so they opened fire turns out of a cell was holding a toy pistol and he was saying his family members are outraged ernest did not deserve to die like this ernest was i mean he was autistic and he had mental challenges he's been in the neighborhood for thirty one plus years everyone knows him everyone is still in shock and disbelief. now look i understand a toy pistol again we've been staking for a real one but there have to be some sort of changes when it comes to police officers handling people with mental disabilities the first instinct cannot always be unshared should not always be to shoot to kill it's insanity and it brings me to our next incident this time in arizona a mentally handicapped man who was harassing individuals outside of a restaurant was confronted by a taser wielding cop and well you can guess what happened from there.
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now as you can see from the video the man already had his hands up and was cooperating before he was fetes an officer put his foot on the individuals back while he was so writhing in pain from being shot with several thousand volts of electricity and also to starve the cop paid no attention to the bystanders who tried to inform him about the man's mental condition i can't my sense of crisis stories like this continue to pop up on the web as more and more people are able to show video proof of police misconduct so it's worse more of these instances also involve individuals with mental disabilities like i said before i know it's difficult to distinguish people on the spot but for all these people to be hurt abused or even killed is simply unacceptable telling per officers their extensive training for
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a reason and if this is what they are being trained to do to always resort to tasers to guns to shoot to kill are there to be some serious changes in the way that police officers are trained because simply too many people have been hurt and have lost their lives. now before we get into this next story let me first show you a video released this week by forensic specialist mike bowers and david it depicts an examination of an alleged assault victim by a so-called bite mark specialist now notice how one moment there is no bite mark and the next area is the bite mark was created by a man named michael west a bite mark specialist who invented the stone cast and then use that as evidence to convict a woman named lee stubbs of assault unfortunately this video was hidden by the prosecutor and not presented in court where it may have changed the fate of stops who's now serving forty four years behind bars for this alleged assault so as for charges for stealing oxycontin methadone now this is just one example of somebody who's serving behind bars based on a supposed expertise and testimony of this michael west although west has been
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discredited in a number of national media reports but he was still of use in mississippi courtrooms for years as everything from a bite mark specialist to a trace metal experts a gunshot residue expert a crime scene investigator a blood spatter expert a fingernail scratch expert amongst other descriptions prescriptions so why was this man continually used and i want to say about our justice system joining me to discuss it is radley balko senior writer and investigative reporter for the huffington post bradley thanks so much for joining us tonight i know this is a case that you've been writing about for a while and you actually had just done a big profile on the steps case before this video was released so now it is videos out there might it in any way be able to change change her fate get her out of prison where she is now serving for forty four years. well she might it might help her get a review of her case and it might. get better terms of the essence project are currently appealing her case and got the ok from the
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supreme court to start. aggressively pursuing a post conviction a proposed addiction to me the problem is i mean this case like every other case where michael westen has been exposed as a fraud is that mississippi officials basically just do what they can to sort of cover their butts in this particular case and they won't open a more thorough investigation they're leaving it up to groups like the innocence project of limited resources to bring these cases one hundred times so these people you know innocent people were convicted because it was testimony you know linger away in prison you know there are two people on death row right now because this testimony and two others who were murdered later exonerated by d.n.a. testing all right so let's get michael west and. record i guess you could say what is exactly that may have an expert i know he was a dentist so i can understand perhaps maybe the only way into calling yourself a bite mark specialist but the blood spatters specialist with
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a gun residue specialist who allowed him to hold all these titles. well there are now prosecutorial prosecutors who often complain about what they call the c.s.i. effect against this idea that the you know shows like c.s.i. and these other forensics t.v. shows. create unrealistic expectation and jurors forensics can only do so much it's usually not conclusive other than d.n.a. testing and so when an expert will get on the stand and doesn't sort of say one hundred percent this is exactly what happened and you know they see david caruso if you want to be they you know they're less likely to convict and prosecutors complain about this the flip side of that is if you get an expert like michael west a complete fraud and charlatan who is willing to say that kind of thing and you get a put an unscrupulous prosecutor and was willing to use them like we had problems. in one thousand nine hundred and two thousand you can do a hell of a lot of damage you know west there been there was a case for west say if you can tell by the bite marks in the red lonely sandwich
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that the defendant was the one who took that bite not not d.n.a. from so actually bite marks in the bread to the exclusion of everybody else on the planet in another case the defense attorney sent similar crime scene photos instead of a little saying and he said wesson crime scene photos along with a plaster mold of his own private investigator steve. no way these two things that matched up west not only told him they matched up he sent back a twenty minute video or him thought if we went through his process on how he how only would be used he could have used bite marks on these photos and you know it's appalling you know the guy is clearly a four but the mississippi officials and the courts they refused to open up these old cases facts and respect supreme court rule just a few years ago and it death penalty case they say it just because west has been wrong in the past doesn't mean he's wrong in this case necessarily which is just
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a public thing really. it's disgusting to me we're hearing though but so in the case of this video right that's now been released it looks like he tampered with evidence or with you know with somebodies body if he's actually putting the teeth marks into i mean is there anything out there that he's done in the past that could also get him in trouble that you know might be a criminal offense this was paranoid do you see in this video is criminal one of these tampering with evidence create basically creating a fabricated to this woman was comatose when he did this so he did not have a permission so when he created these body parts he actually assaulted her in two thousand and nine and i think i found a similar video where you actually can see him pressed the gentle more into the corpse of the eighteen month old girl over and over and over again about three times of course the video in that case he's no one is this crazy corpse which is just sort of horrifying into these and then you see he's creating evidence he's now
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creating evidence neck use you know what i was going to get him in a still warm they're throwing you know i rather you read about stories like this all the time michael west isn't the only examiner out there or expert who has been used for convictions where it turns out he is a fraud but how many cases like this in the report i mean what can be done to stop having these people be the experts imagine the c.s.i. effect but what else. well i mean i think part of the problem is that the criminal courts have been. there's a case there's a standard that your tortuous use called the standard with a judge the polluter to your scientific evidence and in the civil courts the courts have been pretty good about using the standard to keep junk science out of the courtroom and they haven't been successful in criminal cases and so what happens is you can use experts who are willing to say you know other utter you know crap on the stand you could prosecutors and willing to use them and then when somebody is convicted the problem becomes the criminal justice system puts a premium on finale so once you've been convicted then you can exhaust your appeals
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it becomes very very difficult for you to get a case to be reopened and so if the science changes later or if you know somebody who claims to be a scientist is later shown to be a charlatan. the courts are still we're not going to go back and use ok so i mean in mississippi in the west is this fight about one hundred cases there's a medical examiner stephen payne i've looked into was testified in thousands so that for them to admit a problem is going to open a huge can of worms and cause you know a lot of ruckus only and i think that's one of the weapons. that's worth helping pair of people sitting on death row because that rally thanks so much for joining us tonight it's. coming up next hour fireside friday and that happy hour he sail i said and went on vacation with the libyan rebels he was told to go home plus a new out healthy by the nearest stranger to let him use their bathroom i swear i am not making that one up i've gotten.
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into the only military mechanisms if you don't work to bring justice and accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. well i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so sorely sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok and you don't i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right.
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i think the uk is needed and wanted well. we never government says there are competing safe get ready because of the longer freedom. for.
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in tonight's fire. cops. here all well aware this year is going to mark the tenth anniversary of the september eleventh attacks in the u.s. so of course there's going to be the overwhelming amount of media coverage reports off as written about what's happened in that time whether we're any safer or any better off what kind of country we are ten years later and you know i think that it's important to reflect but i think that it's important reflect all the time not just on anniversaries i think that it's important to follow developments as they happen to stop some of those developments in their tracks so we're not left with sort of left with where we're at now because now we have to sit here look back and listen to everybody else and realize that oh we've been in war all these ten years in afghanistan now we have new shadow wars we're involved in our defense budget has doubled our political discourse has changed and a small group of people are trying to beat us islamophobia now anyway if you watch
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the show you'll know that we do talk about what's happening all the time as it develops to try and make people aware i will be talking about the anniversary as well next week but we're talking about it because that's our standard because we're playing catch up like everyone else so before we get into next week before we talk about the bigger picture let me focus on just one specific tonight and you and i both know that since september eleventh of two thousand and one our civil liberties have been eroded and the simple things like security of the airports to the more grave of fences the constant surveillance by our government the excuses that they used to do it without getting a warrant without oversight much of that ingrained the patriot act was recently renewed and much about by normal standard. well we wouldn't call it unconstitutional and assaults on our rights but much of what the government now wants us to swallow and shut up about just saying that it's for our own good you know the interesting thing about this is that in two thousand and four and i do have a commission made recommendations and one of those was to create a privacy and civil liberties oversight board to monitor the actions of the
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government to have subpoena power to make sure that our privacy and civil liberties weren't being dismantled all the name of security they get now six years after the board was supposed to be created ten years after nine eleven remains dormant and the positions remain on how this started during the bush administration who failed to even properly get it up and running the obama administration is only continue. those aren't just my words the a ten year report card by that same nine eleven commission that recommended the creation of this board they said that if they were issuing grades in this area they give over really not they're supposed to be five members on this board of allas only nominated to neither of them have been confirmed by the senate yet so there isn't a chairman there basically there's no board and this is one of those things you can blame on congress you know if it was important enough to him. would have nominated all five people as soon as he got into office and not started nominating two years later he would have put pressure on congress he could have even made recess
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appointments but instead he's just let it slide now forgive me if i'm mistaken but i thought this war and that here in america our privacy our civil liberties those are something that we hold dear something worth protecting something that's based in the constitution and this president has decided that feeling of the independent body created to safeguard those rights for us all of us just not on his priority let's so once again while the bush administration may have started down this path president obama you know only. already it's friday and it's time for happy hour and joining me tonight is art the web writer andrew blake and mike rates associate editor reason magazine and reason dot com thank you for joining me gentlemen let's just. let's begin by looking at a new dutch television show that you understand this but we're going to play the
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clip anyway and explain what it is after. i think every revealed buffalo meat because they got to come from a long meeting will listen it's supposed to be a shield to catch fish to the city ok so basically it's. your story about what could play i mean come on let's go all the way from the netherlands and the game is that five asylum seekers that are about to be expelled from the winds like in real life are competing on a dutch television quiz show with a chance to win four thousand euros for their knowledge of all things dutch and hopefully i guess use that money to get to stay in the country or something it's like a political move that the guy who's created the show is making to make a point about their strict immigration policy but it just immediately started making me think because i think somebody earlier today in our editorial meeting we didn't have all the facts right when we were talking about the story it said like we get to when a bullet proof vest to cross the border. only get five thousand dollars and we still have to leave the country. boned up
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a whole bunch facts. get out here how do they really are right it's about it's they have to touch geography history politics our language should be really did assimilate it's not going to carry out that is kind of cool i also think it's like fantastic that our culture is moving towards putting all this stuff and i say our culture because like dutch is really just english spoken backwards so i think it's fantastic that we're moving towards publicizing and exploiting like all the horrible things we do to people because that's what initiates change right unless the show is really popular and then my trunk road you say could bring attention to it initially change or we could just have a bunch of these shows and where people there are laughing at the issue more exploits you i wonder when when for dutch citizens right you know you get the most informed asylum seekers ever or they get to watch the noise themselves on. to give somebody who i think kind of. humiliated excuse me himself yesterday and we talked about the u.c.l.a.
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student who on his way home from cairo decided just. in libya to join the rebels because he probably would get cool thing to do on his way back from several vacation turns out of the libyan rebels gave him the boot they told me he had to go he was last seen according to an al jazeera english reporter last seen on a pickup truck going to the gaza. cockers said sorry bro have fun with homeland security when you can. i admire his heart and his spirit and stuff but it was like here he just thought it was cool because even better events like the bus resume do that kind of thing i want to know though i want to see some pictures with him like shooting rounds off in the air i mean we have been using their money on me to know how to use it i just standing around like with the flag i mean the fighting is over so yeah it's done he got there actually that's it's probably should've been there when they were you know just getting the crap bombed out of them by gadhafi forces that would have been better. i just i find it's ridiculous you know i mean it's really sad you know how many journalists have died in the last six months trying to
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cover the arab spring everything that is people to go in there try to tell the stories and you have some u.c.l.a. student who just hops on by and says i think we really could take a picture standing with the rebels it probably was cool because it was even stupider than what the average u.c.l.a. kid is probably doing in his dorm room you. know i don't mean to say i think. she's . in the l.a. crap last night are we ready to move on to the next one is that really good is it really it's really good to write a really disturbing kind of. there's a community of registered users who choose to share their bathrooms and make city living easier and your time of need to include to search more of the little nearby restrooms using your social media connection clue shows what friends you have in common with the host adding a dimension of security comfort select the host to your liking and submit a request. i don't mean to over share but i could single handedly put that app out
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of business with an opportune and egregious bathroom using habits but i think it's great it's out there because for the time being i'm totally going to use it absolutely for it one hundred percent. over and over the statement because i don't i don't see how my not having. really what you would be cool was just i mean let's say you were on the other side of this scenario right you're the one looking for a bad thing you're sitting in your home and you just decide to put your bathroom on the absolute strangers i mean you then i realized what could you charge that i mean like what if you have like yours and i give me a dollar give me a dollar and so for me if it's my bathroom i'm benefiting from that because i get a dollar and i don't know how much of the cost flush your toilet like a quarter something and for the person who's paying me that's great and getting arrested in the alley for exposure which has not happened to me at least two times but you know does happen to some people it's better for it i mean when you send in these requests and they go yeah this guy can play and i know he's using it about
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you know but it tells you where it is so i think it's really going to work out a matter what because either someone's going to be kind enough to let you in and use their facilities or it's going to. rain you know you're going to have somebody who needs to be there and getting laid and so they have rage and they're being younger or nobody is really going to like they're always agreeing rules like what have on the other side of the door is like kathy bates and i go come on in the next room you know you're getting you're like legs beaten with one of them or is this really where they maybe you know my creepy rapist who's on the other side of the door to really quick. let's look at denny's one of the only things that are doing. well and happy bacon oh yeah because that's right denise bacon only it's a celebration of we have new pekin dishes for ninety nine we have been thinking sampling bacon meatloaf even if it's. ok so that was bacon ali and now that he's doing a cheese thing where they have big mac and cheese big daddy patty bell which is the
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ultimate cheesy choice of. macaroni melted trainer g.'s more sauce and then serve atop a grilled potato bread absolutely no. absolutely. not you or i but i'm probably going to everybody they can just like the idea of. i mean i know my appearance is deceptive but i really don't eat that large and then i did this grosses me out with what they were terrible sharing be great or something but then you hear a sandwich piece i am not here to share in a sandwich i just can't say about really it's on the appetite or your i love cheese that were grilled you are pushing back at the very basic ingredient level you don't even care about the you know or i mean it could be yes obviously we're trying to help the stuff like that whatever but you know people have to buy three countries a dozen i agree that i have to have a great regard for night so thanks for admitting i make you come back on tuesday for you to be off on monday for only a holiday where you speak to author and dad here soon ross about his new book bin lives the legacy and the meantime go to fan of your show on facebook and follow us
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