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fear. i did sometimes tolls on a war and tonight it goes to the g.o.p. in florida right now every single member of the republican establishment sunshine state but a few g.o.p. lawmakers in tallahassee there's been some buzz on the web this week about a little known long of books in florida and how that law is still being enforced today. more than a half million couples in florida are breaking the law and they might not even know it right now it is against florida law for unmarried people to live together and
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anyone who's caught could face a fine and be sent to jail. that's right there's a lot of dating back to eight hundred sixty eight and makes it illegal for unmarried couples to live together in the state and you must be asking yourself surely the state and forcing this crazy law right police of the court systems actually wasting taxpayer money and prosecuting people who are shutting up but you my friend would be wrong see in the last five years seven hundred people have been charged using this law in just the last year more than one hundred people were charged for cohabitation while not married it's a second degree misdemeanor and carries heavy penalties it states that anyone in florida who lives together without being married could be charged with a misdemeanor face a fine of five hundred dollars and spend a maximum of sixty days in jail. jail time and of fine so you think a lot makers in florida realize that this outdated law so they can look foolish they should just simply vote and repeal it right. or wrong again one lone
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republican lawmaker in the state has been trying for years to get the measure taken off the books but with no luck. if you're going to work with over the board. right growing go there oh no need for. you know i have to applaud a state lawmaker rich workman he has made it his mission to repeal the statutes penalizing adultery and cohabitation but his fellow republicans keep saying no they currently run the state government in florida they're the majority in both the house and the senate and control the governor's office and that's where the problem begins you see the family values g.o.p. group is in no hurry to get the cohabitation law if the books and the governor's office says that rick scott is not focused on the issue when asked about the bill state representative dennis baxley from a caller florida said quote i'm not ready to give up on monogamy and a cultural statement that marriage still matters are the lawmakers living in the nineteenth century times of change not everybody wants to get married but the
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economy is bad a lot of couples a living together to save some money should they be punished but not absolutely not and as think progress points out one of the state's most prominent residents is technically breaking the law and be a star le bron james is cohabitate ing with his high school sweetheart in miami so when he's going to face charges and hopefully he can serve as jail time before the n.b.a. lockout is settled so you can see this but habitation law is absurd it's moralistic it's just plain wrong and it's absolutely none of the government's business who people live with so you would think that the small government g.o.p. in florida realize that apparently they don't and that's why we're giving them tonight schooltime award. now sadly we have more stories to report on police using excessive force across the country to get a start in florida where a fifty seven year old autistic man was killed by police police say they received phone calls about a man who was walking around outside with what looked like a rifle and when they got to the scene they saw the man ernest cell holding the
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weapon so they opened fire turns out of a cell was holding a toy pistol and he was to say his family members are outraged. ernest did not deserve to die like this artist was i mean he was artistic and he had mental challenges he's been in the neighborhood for thirty one plus years everyone knows him and everyone is still in shock and disbelief. now look i understand a toy pistol and we've been staking for a real one but there have to be some sort of changes when it comes to police officers handling people with mental disabilities the first instinct cannot always be unshared should not always be to shoot to kill it's insanity and it brings me to our next incident this time in arizona a mentally handicapped man who was harassing individuals outside a restaurant was confronted by a taser real thing caught and well you can guess what happened from there.
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now as you can see from the video the man already had his hands up and was cooperating before he was hates an officer put his foot on the individual's back while he was still writhing in pain from being shot with several thousand volts of electricity comes out of stars with a cop paid no attention to the bystanders who tried to inform him about the man's mental condition i can't say i'm surprised stories like this continue to pop up on the web as more and more people are able to show video proof of police misconduct so it's worse more of these instances also involve individuals with mental disabilities like i said before i know it's difficult to distinguish people on the spot but for all these people to be hurt abused or even killed it's simply unacceptable to occur officers through extensive training for a reason and if this is what they are being trained to do to always resort to
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tasers to guns to shoot to kill are there to be some serious changes in the way the police officers are trained because simply too many people have been hurt and of lost their lives. now before we get into this next story let me first show you a video released this week by forensic specialist mike bowers and david it depicts an examination of an alleged assault victim i a so-called bite mark a specialist and i notice how one moment there is no black mark and the next area is right mark was created by a man named michael west by mark specialist to embed in the stone cast and then use that as evidence to convict a woman named least of assault unfortunately this video was hidden by the prosecutor and not presented in court where it may have changed the fate of stops who is now serving a forty four years behind bars for this alleged assault so as for charges for stealing oxycontin methadone now this is just one example of somebody who's behind bars based on a supposed expertise and testimony of this michael west although west has been
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discredited in a number of national media reports he was still use in mississippi courtrooms for years as everything from a bite mark specialist to a trace metal experts a gunshot residue expert a crime scene investigator of blood spatter expert a fingernail scratch expert amongst other descriptions superscription so why was this man continually used and i want that say about our justice system joining me to discuss it is radley balko senior writer and investigative reporter for the huffington post rob thanks so much for joining us tonight i know this is a case that you've been writing about for a while and you actually had just done a big profile on the steps case before this video was released and now this video is out there my in any way be able to change change her fate get her out of prison where she is now serving for forty four years. well she might it might help her get a review of her case and it might. get better terms of the innocence project are currently appealing her case and got the ok from
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city supreme court to start. aggressively pursuing a post conviction proposed to me but the problem is i mean this case like every other case for michael west has been exposed as a fraud is that mississippi officials basically just do what they can to sort of cover their butts in this particular case and they won't open a more thorough investigation they're leaving it up to groups like you know this project took limited resources to bring these cases one hundred times so people you know innocent people were convicted because it was testimony you know linger away in prison you know there are two people on death row right now because in two others who were convicted of murder and later exonerated by d.n.a. testing all right so let's get michael west. record i guess you could say what is exactly that made him an expert i know he was a dentist so i can understand perhaps may get a leeway into calling yourself a bite marks specialist but the blood spatter specialist or the gun residue
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specialist who out of the whole of all these titles. well there is no prosecutorial prosecutors walking complain about what they call the c.s.i. effect against this idea that the you know shows like c.s.i. and these are the forensics t.v. shows. create a unrealistic expectation and yours for instance can only do so much usually not conclusive other than begin a testing and so when an expert will get on the stand and doesn't sort of say one hundred percent and this is exactly what happened you know they see david caruso if you want to be they you know they're less likely to convict and prosecutors complain about this but flip side of it was if you get an expert like michael west a complete fraud in charlotte and who is willing to say that kind of thing and you get an unscrupulous prosecutor and was willing to. yes and like we had throughout mississippi and louisiana in one thousand nine hundred and two thousand you can do a hell of a lot of damage you know west there been there was a case where west said you can tell by the bite marks in the read only sandwich
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that the defendant was the one who took that bite not not d.n.a. from actual bite marks in the bread to the exclusion of everybody else on the planet in another case of that science attorney sent some old crime scene photos he said it was staying and he sent wesson crime scene photos along with a plaster mold of his own private investigator steve. no way things could have matched up west not only told him they matched up he sent back a twenty minute video he methodically went through his process on how you how only you could have left these bite marks on these photos and you know it's appalling and you know the guy is clearly a fraud but the mississippi officials and the courts refused to open up these old cases facts mississippi state supreme court ruled just a few years ago in a death penalty case they said just because west has been wrong in the past doesn't mean it's wrong in this case necessarily which is just an opinion. it's disgusting
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to me or hearing though but so in the case of this video right it's now been released it looks like he tampered with evidence or where it was somebodies body if he's actually putting the teeth marks into it is there anything out there that he's done in the past that could also get him in trouble that might be a criminal offense business was promoting your use you must video is criminal one you scampering into the screen basically creating no provocation to this one was comatose when you did this so he did not have a permission so when he created these body parts he actually assaulted her in two thousand and nine and i think i found a similar video where you actually see you know pressed a gentle more into the corpse of a eighteen month old girl over and over and over again about thirty times of course of the video in that case he's no one is there screaming corpse which is just horrifying into these and yet you see he's creating evidence he's probably painting
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evidence neck use you know the guy was convicted in the still wonder. you know now rather you read about stories like this all the time michael west isn't the only examiner out there or expert who has been used for convictions where it turns out he is a fraud but how many cases like this we report on what can be done to stop from having these people be the experts you mention the c.s.i. effect but what else. well i mean i think part of the problem is that in a criminal court then. there's a case there's a standard that your. standard with a judge the validity of scientific evidence and in the civil courts the courts have been pretty good about using the standard to keep junk science out of the courtroom and they haven't been successful in criminal cases and so what happens is you get these experts who are willing to say you know other utter you know crap on the stand you get prosecutors and we're going to use them and then when somebody is convicted the problem becomes a criminal justice system puts a premium on for now so once you've been convicted in unix often your appeal to
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a very very difficult for you to get a case to be reopened and so if the science changes later or if you know somebody who claims to be a scientist is later shown by to be a charlatan. the courts are still reluctant to go back into a sense i mean in mississippi no less is this right about one hundred cases there's a medical examiner stephen a look it was testified in thousands so that for them to admit a problem is going to open a huge can of worms and cause you know a lot of work that's where the. opening pair of people sitting on death row because that rally thanks so much for joining us tonight it's. coming up next our friday and that happy hour he's still a student on vacation with olivia travels with class and you have helped you find the nearest stranger to let him use their bathroom i swear i am not making that what have i gotten. into that only military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice or accountability. i
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have every right to build what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as the charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then he glimpse something else you hear sees some other part of it and realize that everything is ok if you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here.
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him to tonight's fireside fridays with your hosts of the enemy comes. here all well aware this here is going to mark the tenth anniversary of the september eleventh attacks here in the u.s. so of course there's going to be the overwhelming amount of media coverage reports off as. written about what's happened in that time whether we're any safer or any better off what kind of country we are ten years later and you know i think that it's important to reflect i think that it's important reflect all the time not just on anniversaries i think that it's important quality developments as they happen to stop some of those developments in their tracks so we're not left with we're not left with where we're at now because now we have to sit here look back and listen to everybody else realize that oh we've been in war all these ten years in afghanistan now we have new shadow wars were involved in our defense budget has doubled our political discourse has changed and a small group of people are trying to feed us islamophobia anyway if you watch the
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show you'll know that we do talk about what's happening all the time as it develops to try and make people aware and we'll be talking about the anniversary as well next week but we're talking about it because that's our standard because we're playing catch up like everyone else before we get into next week before we talk about the bigger picture let me focus on just one specific tonight and you and i both know that since september eleventh of two thousand and one our civil liberties have been eroding and the simple things like security of the air force to the more grave offenses the constant surveillance by our government the excuses that they use to do it without getting a warrant without oversight much of that green the patriot act was recently renewed and much about by normal standards what we would have called unconstitutional an assault on our rights but much of what the government now wants us to swallow and shut up about are just saying that it's for our own good you know the interesting thing about this is that in two thousand and four and i do have a commission made recommendations and one of those was to create a privacy and civil liberties oversight board so a lot of for the actions of the government to have subpoena power to make sure that
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our privacy and civil liberties weren't being dismantled all the name of security to get now six years after the board was supposed to be created ten years after nine eleven or domains dormant and the positions remain and how this started during the bush administration who failed to even properly get it up and running the obama administration has only continued. that failure and those aren't just my words the a ten year report card by that same at nine eleven commission that recommended the creation of this board they said that if they were issuing grades in this area they'd give obama failing and they're supposed to be five members on this board obama's only nominated to neither of them have been confirmed by the senate yet so there isn't a chairman there basically there's no board and this is one of those things you can blame on congress if it was important enough to him of olive nominated all five people as soon as he got into office and not started nominating two years later he would have put pressure on congress he could have even made a recess appointments but instead he's just let it slide now forgive me if i'm
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mistaken but i trust warren that here in america our privacy our civil liberties those are something that we hold dear something worth protecting something that's based in the constitution and this president has decided that feeling of the independent body created to safeguard those rights or is about just not on his priority let's so once again well the bush administration may have started down this path president obama you know only. all right it's friday and it's time for happy hour and joining me tonight is our to the web writer andrew blake and mike rates associate editor of reason magazine and reason dot com thank you for joining me gentlemen. let's begin by looking at a new dutch television show that you will understand this but we're going to play the clip anyway and i'll explain what is out there. never revealed on the call the
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outcome from a lot for me to deal with the potion did she was to catch fish to visit me ok so basically it's. your story about what we do play i mean it's go all the way from the netherlands every game is that i have asylum seekers that are about to be expelled from the winds like in real life are competing on a dutch television quiz show with the chance to win four thousand euros for their knowledge of all things and hopefully i guess use that money to get to stay in the country or something it's like a political move that the guy who created the show is making to make a point about their straight immigration policy but it just immediately started making me think because i think somebody earlier today in our editorial meeting we didn't have all the facts right when we were talking about the story it sounds like they get to wait a bulletproof vest pocket have crossed the border thinking of science fiction. only get five thousand dollars and they still have to leave the country. bone up on
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all of these facts and. get out here it proves how dutch they really are right it's about they have to touch geography history politics art language should be really to dissimulate it's not really just to carry out that is kind of cool i also think it's like fantastic that our culture is in the doing towards putting all this stuff and i say our culture because like dutch is really just english spoken backwards so i think it's fantastic that we're moving towards. sizing and exploiting like all the horrible things we do to people because that's like what initiates change right unless the show is really popular and in my trunk i'm going to say could bring attention to it initially change or we could just have a bunch of these shows where people there are laughing at the issue more it's going to be a win win for dutch that is that's right you know you get the most informed asylum seekers ever or they get to watch the humiliations i want. to give somebody who i think kind of you know humiliated excuse me himself yesterday we talked about the u.c.l.a. student who on his way home from cairo decided just. don't believe me i've joined
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the rebels because they thought it would get cool thing to do on his way back from separate occasions turns out of the libyan rebels gave him the boot they told me he had to go he was last seen according to an al jazeera english reporter last seen on a pickup truck going to be like cocker said sorry bro have fun with homeland security when you get. i admire his heart and his spirit and stuff but it was like theory he just thought it was cool that you know better that's like the question isn't do i kind of thing i want to know though i want to see some pictures with him like shooting rounds off in the air i mean do we haven't you know you don't even know how to use if you were. standing around like with a flag i mean the fighting is over so. yeah it's time he got there late actually that's it's probably should've been there when they were you know just getting the crap bombed out of them by gadhafi forces that would have been but. i just i find this ridiculous you know i mean it's really sad you know how many journalists have died in the last six months trying to cover the arab spring i mean these people to
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go in there try to tell the story then you have some u.c.l.a. student who just hops on by and says i think we really could take a picture standing with the rebels and probably one school because it was even stupider than what the average u.c.l.a. kid is probably doing in his dorm room. no i don't mean to say i think he was just trying to talk. are you ready to move on to the next one is that really is it really it's let's go really go right and really disturbing kind of way. out. is a community of registered users who choose to share their bathrooms and make city living . and your time of need open clues and search more available nearby restaurants using your social media connection who shows what friends you have in common with the host adding a dimension of security comfort select the host to your liking and submit a request. i don't mean to over share but i could single handedly put that app out
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of business with my an opportune and agree just bathroom using habits but i think it's great it's out there because for the time being i'm totally going to use it i'm absolutely for it one hundred percent a little bit over and over the statement. a little t.m.i. i know i'm having a really cool was just i mean let's say you were on the other side of this scenario right you weren't the one looking for a bathroom you're sitting in your home and you just decide to put your bathroom on the absolute strangers come in and i think we could you charge that i mean like what if you have like piers that i give me a dollar you mean dollar and so for me if it's my bathroom i'm going to say from the dollar and i don't know how much of the cost question like a quarter something and for the person who's paying me it's very thing getting arrested in the alley for exposure which has not happened to me at least two times but you know does happen to some people it's better for i mean when you send in these requests and they go yeah this guy can clean my house or no he's using you know but it tells you where it is so i think it's going to work out no matter what
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because either someone's going to be kind enough to let you in and use their facilities or are going to. say no you can't have somebody who needs to be there and getting laid and so they have rage and anger or nobody you. know we were going to like girls who were. like what if only others are the door is like kathy bates and i go come on here and next thing you know you're getting your like legs beaten with armor or is this really really a maybe you know my creepy rape as she's on the other side of the door to really quickly let's look at denny's one of their new things that they're doing. well and happy they can oh yeah they can believe that's right they can only it's a celebration of what we have you be conditioned for ninety nine we have a sampler even a big. ok so that was taken ali and now that he's doing it she. thing where they have the mac n cheese big daddy paddy bell which is the ultimate cheesy choice of
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patty talked with macaroni cheese more sauce and then serve atop a grilled potato absolutely no absolutely absolutely not. i'm sorry can you even think of it just like you i like you that much me being that i know my appearance is deceptive but i really don't eat stuff that large and i did this christmas meal what the more subtle sharing the greater something but here is so rich young people and i can share in a sandwich i just can't say about really found the appetizer your i love cheese that will grill you but you're pushing back at the very basic ingredient level you don't even care about the iraq war i mean it could be as obviously good and healthy stuff like that whatever but you know people have to buy three countries it doesn't argue enough democrats that i have a great weekend night so thanks for tuning in and making a comeback on tuesday pretty often i'm a fairly big holiday where you speak to author david pearson ross about his new book then lives the legacy and the meantime got tickets to the phantom you want to share on facebook and follow us on twitter if you missed any of tonight's show or
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