now recognized as the country's legitimate power but british m.p. barry gardiner believes the u.k. has gone far beyond the un resolution next r.t. talks to the labor politician who voted against intervention. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very serious against the intervention in libya mr gardiner thanks for talking to r.t. today now we see that the rebels if we can still call them that have practically taken tripoli and that gaddafi looks like he's lost the fight have you changed your mind about the libyan intervention the point is the legitimacy of it and that's what i created in the beginning and i think most people would agree that it was right to intervene on humanitarian grounds to save the people of benghazi that was never the issue the issue was all whether nato should then become involved as

effectively the strikeforce for the rebel course and that's what it's been and that of course was in my view way beyond the brief that the united nations had given and it was wrong it was not the should have been about regime change a civil war in libya is something for them it's not something for the rest of the world to intervene how do you wish it could have been different then what would you have done if you'd been in charge i think we should have news we should have seen an intervention by the forces that went in to stop that attack on benghazi to neutralize gadhafi and to make sure that he then did not conduct any aggressive sorties as he had previously been doing but not that they should then become the air on the straight forward for the rebels david cameron said a few days ago that nato would lend support in libya for as long as civilians need protecting what was your reaction to that is that open ended commitment as it sounds. it was very clear in the original un

resolution it was very clear when our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be no. occupation force that would be totally wrong one of the things that troubled me all was this ambivalence as to whether there should be troops on the ground and of course that wasn't expressly prohibited by the resolution but but it was something that i think all of us were very concerned about. what we saw as the rebels were going into tripoli the other day certainly on the radio programs that were broadcast in the u.k. we would go left go left go left these instructions being yelled out by what were obviously british soldiers british personnel who were leading that

advance group now that i think is where we've overstepped the line there's also now talk of putting peacekeeping forces on the ground in libya i see that something you oppose but you know decimated country with no structures for maintaining order now is that not the only way i don't believe it is i don't believe it's right that we should be staying there effectively to establish the new regime that's that's not what this was originally about it was about humanitarian protection let me be clear i'm very pleased to see the back of gadhafi this is a very evil dictator the sooner he is in front of the international criminal court the better. and i'm very glad that his days are now at an end i wish for the new regime well but i think it's important that they establish their regime they prove to the international community that they have the capacity not to tear

themselves into different factions and to libya as a strong and unified government but that's their responsibility you supported the invasion of iraq back in two thousand and. three why is this so different it's very different. the invasion of iraq was because. saddam hussein had refused to reveal as he was obliged to under the chapter seven of the united nations resolution whether or not he had got rid of all of the nuclear chemical and. biological weapons that we knew he had previously. he refused to do that even as late as february hans blix was saying we do not know whether he still has these he listed a whole load of v.x. nerve gas mustard gas different agents chemical agents so we didn't know and he was not willing to allow. other countries to come to interview the scientists to see

the audit trails to know whether he got rid of them or not in that situation it would have been ludicrous to have had a million strong army that was on the doorstep of iraq simply go away when the resolution fourteen forty one had given iran given him a final opportunity to comply with his obligations how the world done that then what would've happened is he would have simply rebuilt those programs with impunity knowing that he was absolutely untouchable and the world would not do anything against him we would have then been precipitated into a far more major conflict into the in the middle east between iran and iraq with devastating consequences destruction of the world's oil supplies it was a terrible situation and it was right that we took the action that we did now the fact that the united nations didn't sanction it in the terms of a second resolution does not change the fact that fourteen forty one said it was

the final opportunity for him to comply now i'm a parent i have children i know that if i tell my children please come and do the washing up and they don't do it and i say look i've told. once already please come up if you have twelve years of that which is what we had with saddam hussein and you then come to the point where you say this is your final chance and he still does not comply then it's important that you take the ultimate sanction after that what about what happened afterwards there in both iraq and afghanistan the real violence began after the dictatorships were toppled do you see that happening in libya i think there is a danger of this and what you saw was certainly in iraq was a complete failure of the occupying powers then to stabilize the situation and they let the the iraqi army keep their weapons but they disbanded the army and they said

you must go back to your villages but you can keep your weapons this was insanity absolutely insanity and we must not be in a position where what we've done is created greater instability in libya that is absolutely clear. but nonetheless we equally must avoid is becoming an occupation force i think afghanistan is a very good example russia has very bitter experience of afghanistan as does britain of being an occupying power and you start off being a friend of someone and you end up being hated by everyone an occupying force is a very dangerous place to be and you should get out as quickly as you can what's the middle way that some would argue that nato stepping in has made this situation worse is it not their nature his responsibility to stay and clear up the mat you pose the question that really is how do you get to where you want to be and of course the answer is well i wouldn't have started from here but you're right we're

now in this situation and therefore what we have to do is to ensure that we provide support for stability without our cells being that stabilizing. military force it must not be that the new government relies on the military of britain and nato in order to maintain power they must be able to do that on their own we can give advice we can give help to help them stabilize the situation but we must not assume responsibility ourselves government insists that lessons were learned from what happened in iraq but given the way that this conflict is being conducted do you believe that it's always a danger for every government to my view and every army to be fighting the last war. what you do is you learn lessons from one conflict which you then take on to the next but usually what you forget is that the

context of the situation is different the next time and therefore the lessons that you've learned from previous experience may not be appropriate in the conflict that you are now fighting you mentioned the factions inside the national transitional council we now know that some of those factions are religious groups who hope to establish an islamic state in libya what will the attitude to that be do you think . nato and from the libyans themselves will they get a voice in this new democracy it's not for nato or for the else to allow but it's for the people of libya to decide what they want to do it's for them to decide their own future. in this country and. all across the world people have to learn to live. with the fact that we have different religious views different ethical views nonetheless we have to live

together we have to spine some means of sharing a society sharing the country and making it work for all of us i believe the people of libya are no less capable of doing that than the people of them. of the people of the united kingdom do you think that ultimately his intervention will cause more trouble in the middle east a region that is after already deeply unstable and i think the most serious i think it will if if if nato stays there as an occupation force but i don't think that is going to happen i think the really troubling conflicts in the middle east at the moment are within syria i think if you look at bahrain and the way in which saudi arabia went into bahrain to prop up the oligarchy there against the wishes of the people these are the flashpoints in the middle east that still have not versed asunder that is going to happen once people have scented revolution once they have seen that freedom and

a better life is possible i don't think they will go back under the yoke of the talk or see barry gardner thank you very much.

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hello welcome to our g.'s porch and here are the headlines this hour precious at a gay bar pool in claims gold in the fifty kilometer war on the chernobyl when's the women's high jump at the world finals and. it's all the table it is some shells goal against macedonia means russia takes sole control of their year old swain to swell qualifying group. and also the build up to cal's next meeting with mark is begins in back months native money with a while due to take place on the its wealth of no spaces. and that's beginning to go where russia two golds a silver and the bronze at the world championships on saturday still those medals coming in the man's fifty kilometer war quest at a gay bar. owners michael and biding his time before taking the lead. into the race this wednesday for old control of the place after that finishing the job in three hours forty one minutes and twenty four seconds ago all of the finished one minutes wednesday one seconds behind the australian geritol and was that. this

is going you know that if i want to last ten kilometers on autopilot i don't remember the last moment i pulled myself together only one much to make speaking up all three drowned in the race was very hard to do to the humid weather. on the chytrid over added another gold for rushing the women's high jump by clearing two metres three centimeters with the fast double defending champion blank of loss of job creation to the bronze one to tell him answer me out said. one more podium for russia in the women's four by four hundred meters relay as they took braun's behind the winners you say and second place jamaica. and the final build of the day one to use a. vaulting the two hundred meters the jamaican kwaku nineteen point fourteen seconds beating america want to take some frenchman crystal from america into second and third respectfully so sweet revenge for bolt who was the score of five

from the one hundred meters last three to four starts. to fill out the window watching me the film i want to be a title but that's a process that can do it and that's got my twenty nine you can call it the for balance tomorrow and for hopefully i can get to it's the fourth world. now in football russia's also mighty qualification for euro its one tis well blix all but said nothing. on friday night which is the ball for it has the details. three points were imperative the russian are to keep their hopes alive of qualifying automatically for next year's finals in poland and ukraine however the russians didn't get off to the greatest of stunts and they had to wait until almost a half hour march great bear first opportunity to back up what the xander kids are called sing his dancing had a go just one of the cheapest left on kurdish could muster dounia were able to play straight the host of long periods and they could open the scoring five minutes before the time when the bottom like

a jewel hyundai have managed to run the keeper of each shot mark dave upside down however the not play forward was agreed to will to have been awarded a penalty as it seemed he was tricked to miriam and that could be that some russian went in front just sixty seconds away turned to match the under a a shove in there was a question run for the fifty metres my goal was to get the feeling of just as your cold wind turned by negus i'm sure if it was completely a month to the edge of the area and shown that you know most of the field is changed somehow managed to find its way into the back of the knights not to search for macedonia keep pushing want to see again in a hurry to get some a bit devoted to put in a much improved performance in a second home finish that however they will their possession they were unable to double their advantage to be to being schemed any science based chance however the committee motion infielders hadn't accuser. received by march and they got a team of courtroom presumed. to be managed fading for advantage of free points. which limited his science clean efficient game and she asserts that those who were

very happy about her first ever performance to be honest were all feel good thankfully there was a happy ending which is great for the fans were brilliant. russian manager had to change to match against republican running chip which he needs to take place in. the dispersed game is cheese for the national team spankin should be much. different as was the most important thing is we get all three points tuesday's match will be very different because the owner should like you to play in a much more direct still in russia but if you treat very decent points but then victory in a match you didn't the kind of very little spirit to beat republican and she she can see. and talking a while and giovanni trapattoni inside played out a goalless draw always group rival slovakia meaning the irishman to be next week to stay in contention armenia kept the pressure up on the top three with

a comprehensive win away to on the door they seized on eleven points with seven of ten games played ireland and slovakia have fourteen and russia sixteen. and elsewhere on friday night england kept their unbeaten streak alive with a three nil they stray away to bulgaria fabio capello's men all alone at the summit of group gene krupa leaders the netherlands edged merino rogan and percy helping himself to full goals seem to be. nothing fresh in germany now eleven points clear in group and become the best known hosting team to qualify for the finals after beating neighbors all. running away with group c. while the group d. standings following a two neil two one victory over albania. pace is still no one pole position for the san marino. grand prix breaking records on the ms on the circuit. one minutes two three point one three eight seconds to be zero i'm off and or hill around so and i

need to draw will stop from second and third respectively in sunday's race still knowing it's the overall championship by four to four points from the round so with six races still to go. now a russian basketball club has reaped the benefits of the ongoing n.b.a. lockout san antonio spurs forward there's you and blair is set to play in some motto this season the fast american style to come to the country during the labor dispute that so i need to old will join. the averaging eight points and seven rebounds for this. agent happy will do the same is true i'm off against a great competition in russia which will help out mentions to his game the contract also contains enough doubt cools me blair could report back to the n.b.a. at once in the locality where. invokes in many. markets to add another chapter to their rivalry the pair preparing to give the fans

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and to i saw can find a way russia's red army team rolled over czech side energy to win the naga old junior club world cup seven two was how the game and the desert on course are reports now. and. even if some fans were disappointed by the fact that it wasn't canada the plane the russians in the final the feelings of that paraded as and sasuke atmosphere and the souls that arena charged up the red army from the opening minutes of the match their chip opponents from fall of a ball rate were the enemy and he's even the certain means going into the final match against the red army while the russians were forced to take it. easy on the stage later it was clear after the first period and three an answer goals at the last was in nearly a cup on the way to triumph the second period saw the russians ramp up the pressure on the energy as that sentiment subscriber i am looking call puts the number one on

the scoreboard below the czechs managed to score and so the first break it was nowhere near enough to match russia's three in the second period visitors the second goal of the match and the third period through a big gave them a glimpse of hope but the red machine justified its nickname and made the score an unreachable seven to. the better but we have unbelievable emotions we haven't had such in the atmosphere that it sold thanks to the spectators also think oh my teammates and all of a soft man this is great just happy but. some of these guys could go on to play in the continental monkey or the cage hill and some might even make it to russia's national squad for the kind of support they experienced here in arms would be a weekly affair but for now this unique siberian experience has probably helped them and the rest of the scenes at the center builds character and the invaluable family area of the big game the junior club world cup organizers are aiming for all

in djibouti and want this to become a yearly event that's a role there aren't too many international youth competitions in the world today and it was proved right here norms that the hunger is there. such a. oh let's take a sip believe that here here in little not at all judging by the attendance at this first ever generic mad world cup last person some good music seems to certain has quite a lot of potential it's hard to say who will host next but thanks. so much to say that it sounds success among all three parties. and the soul is cool for the sound of the world weather is coming up off the base stay with us.

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today's news and this week's top stories leave us new leaders tried to bring calm to tripoli after capturing the capital but the mess of flood of weapons on the streets means stability could still be a long way off. moscow slams the e.u.'s new was sentient on syria

while a lack of accurate media coverage coming out of the country raises questions as to who's to blame for the bloodshed. a burning controversy your brain threatens to take russia to court over gas prices but the kremlin says it's on solid ground in the latest round of an old battle. and night of rage in israel hundreds of thousands railing of the nation's biggest protests demanding the authorities turn their attention from security to social justice. it is not the end of the russian capital you're watching r.t.m. arena joshie even rebels are closing in on colonel gadhafi as last major stronghold and hometown of sarah.