our but british m.p. barry gardiner believes the u.k. has gone far beyond the un resolution next r.t. talks to the labor politician who voted against the intervention. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very serious against the intervention in libya mr gardiner thanks for talking to r.t. today now we see that the rebels if we can still call them that have practically taken tripoli and that gaddafi looks like he's lost the fight have you changed your mind about the libyan intervention the point is the legitimacy of it and that's what i created in the beginning and i think most people would agree that it was right to intervene on humanitarian grounds to save the people of benghazi that was never the issue the issue was all whether nato should then become involved as effectively the strikeforce for the rebel corps and that's what it's been and that

of course was in my view way beyond the brief that the united nations had given and it was wrong it was not this should have been about regime change a civil war in libya is something for them it's not something for the rest of the world to intervene how do you wish it could have been different then what would you have done if you'd been in charge i think what we should have seen is we should have seen an intervention by the forces that went in to stop that attack on benghazi to neutralize gadhafi and to make sure that he did not conduct any aggressive sorties as he had previously been doing but not that they should then become the air on the straight forward for the rebels david cameron said a few days ago that nato would lend support in libya for as long as civilians need protecting what was your reaction to that is that open ended commitment as it sounds. it was very clear in the original un

resolution it was very clear when our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be no. occupation force that would be totally wrong one of the things that troubled me all was this bill as to whether there should be troops on the ground and of course that wasn't expressly prohibited by the resolution but but it was something that i think all of us were very concerned about. what we saw as the rebels were going into tripoli the other day certainly on the radio programs that were broadcast in the u.k. we would go left go left go left these instructions being yelled out by what were obviously british soldiers british personnel who were leading that advance group now that i think it's where we've overstepped the line there's also

now talk of putting peacekeeping forces on the ground in libya i seen that something you oppose but you know decimated country with no structures for maintaining order now is that not the only way i don't believe it is i don't believe it's right that we should be staying there. to establish the new regime that's that's not what this was originally about it was about humanitarian protection now let me be clear i'm very pleased to see the back of gadhafi who is a very evil dictator the sooner he is in front of the international criminal court the better. and i'm very glad that his days are now at an end i wish for the new regime well but i think it's important that they establish their regime they prove to the international community that they have the capacity not to tear themselves into different factions and to libya as

a strong and unified government but that's their responsibility you supported the invasion of iraq back in two thousand and. three why is this very different it's very different. the invasion of iraq was because. saddam hussein had refused to reveal as he was obliged to under the chapter seven of the united nations resolution whether or not he had got rid of all of the nuclear chemical. biological weapons that we knew he had previously about he refused to do that even as late as february hans blix was saying we do not know whether he still has these he listed a whole load of v.x. nerve gas mustard gas different agents chemical agents so we didn't know and he was not to willing to allow. other countries to come to interview the scientists to see

the audit trails to know whether he got rid of them or not in that situation it would have been ludicrous to have had a million strong army that was on the doorstep of iraq simply go away when the resolution fourteen forty one had given iran given him a final opportunity to comply with his obligations how the world done that then what would have happened is he would have simply rebuilt those programs with impunity knowing that he was absolutely untouchable and the world would not do anything against him we would have then been precipitated into a far more major conflict into the in the middle east between iran and iraq with devastating consequences destruction of the world's oil supplies it was a terrible situation and it was right that we took the action that we did now and the fact that the united nations didn't sanction it in terms of a second resolution does not change the fact that fourteen forty one said it was the final opportunity for him to comply now i'm

a parent i have children i know that if i tell my children please come and do the washing up and they don't do it and i say look i've told. once already please come up if you have twelve years of that which is what we had with saddam hussein and you then come to the point where you say this is your final chance and he still does not comply then it's important that you take the ultimate sanction after that what about what happened afterwards there in both iraq and afghanistan the real violence began after the dictatorships were toppled do you see that happening in libya i think there is a danger of this and what you saw was certainly in iraq was a complete failure of the occupying powers then to stabilize the situation and they let the the iraqi army keep their weapons but they disbanded the army they said you must go back to your villages but you can keep your weapons this was insanity

absolutely insanity and we must not be in a position where what we've done is created greater instability in libya that is absolutely clear. but nonetheless we equally must avoid is becoming an occupation force i think afghanistan is a very good example russia has a very bitter experience of afghanistan as as does britain of being an occupying power and you start off being a friend of someone and you end up being hated by everyone an occupying force is a very dangerous place to be and you should get out as quickly as you can what's the middle way that some would argue that nato stepping in has made this situation worse is it not their naysayers responsibility to stay and clear up the matter you pose the question that really is how do you get to where you want to to be and of course the answer is well i wouldn't have started from here but you're right we're now in this situation and therefore what we have to do is to ensure that we provide

support for stability without our cells being that stabilizing. military force it must not be that the new government relies on the military of britain and nato in order to maintain power they must be able to do that on their own we can give advice we can give help to help them stabilize the situation but we must not assume responsibility ourselves governments in fifth that lessons were learned from what happened in iraq but given the way that this conflict is being conducted do you believe that it's always a danger for every government in my view and every army to be fighting the last war. what you do is you learn lessons from one conflict which you then take on to the next but usually what you forget is that the context of the situation is different the next time and therefore the lessons that

you've learned from the previous experience may not be appropriate in the conflict that you are now fighting you mentioned the faction inside the national transitional council we now know that some of these factions are religious groups who hope to establish an islamic state in libya what will the attitude to that be do you think. nato and from the libyans themselves will they get a voice in this new democracy it's not for nato or for the else to allow but it's for the people of libya to decide what they want to do it's for them to decide their own future. in this country and. all across the world people have had to learn to live. with the fact that we have different religious views different ethical views nonetheless we have to live together we have to spine some means of sharing

a society sharing the country and making it work for all of us i believe the people of libya are no less capable of doing that than the people of them. the people of the united kingdom do you think that ultimately nato is intervention will cause more trouble in the middle east a region that after all already deeply unstable no i think the most serious i think it will if if if nato stays there as an occupation force but i don't think that is going to happen i think the really troubling conflicts in the middle east at the moment are within syria i think if you look at bahrain and the way in which saudi arabia went into bahrain to prop up the oligarchy there against the wishes of the people these are the flashpoints in the middle east that still have not burst asunder that is going to happen. once people have scented revolution once they have seen that freedom and a better life is possible i don't think they will go back under the yoke. sorry god

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the worldwide manhunt for him lasted for fifteen years. one million was promised for. murder for the. general a serving. problem. on our two. days news and this week's top stories libya's new leaders tried to bring calm to tripoli after capturing the capital but the massive flood of weapons onto the streets means stability could still be a long way off. moscow slams the e.u.

has new sanctions on syria aimed to put pressure on president assad over his crackdown on protesters but doubts over the accuracy of media. urged me out of the country raising questions about who's to blame for the bloodshed. ukraine threatens to take russia to board in its push for a discount on gas prices but. the ground in that looming battle saying. no legal ground. and hundreds of thousands rally across is really nation's biggest anti-government protests demonstrators demanding the authorities turn their attention from security to social justice. to sports well you know. thanks right now where would you rather be this sunday morning that with sports

today we've got plenty ahead including. grandslam scalp rising russian tennis star adonis to see a public beats former world number one. to reach the fourth round flushing medals. prince's l.v.i. c.s.k. moscow's youth team the red army win the first ever world junior club ice hockey championships. jetting off russia will compete in the rugby world cup for the first ever time this year r.t. catches up with the squad before they fly off to new zealand. a quarter of the last sixteen players in the women's side of the u.s. open this year will be russian honest to see a public in coven making the cuts by defeating in a young give each other clash with francesca schiavone to look forward to serve on able to adjust to the russians aggressive style of play losing six four six or even the next stop appear before from a set to be published in clover and the french open quarterfinals this.

because the it's over will do battle with a top ranked player spitz side coraline wozniacki the world number seventeen beating. six four six two it. was here she herself beating by making six two six four in the first match of the day so it is the dane up against two thousand and four u.s. open winner christine it's. still awaiting her first round slump. now it's not looking so rosy for russia's representatives in the men's side of things in new york or can it's in the country's last hope of grand slam success this season after nicholai danko fell to world number. on novak djokovic today joker showing just why he's the bookies favorite out flushing meadows to serve marching in a run for courtesy of a no nonsense six three six four six two win oleksandr will pull off next for the

twenty four year old who seeming for his third major of the season. roger federer is rolling on along as well the swiss making the fourth stage after a tough for said encounter with martin silage six three four six six four six two how it ended up one minako lies in wait next for the thirds. serious you don't hear much playing i mean are we sure played my best every single time and. amazing but the reality is that everybody who goes to work knows that it's not. as great as it wishes to be and we go through the same thing but many people side bets for success in new york mardy fish olson made week two they were number eight taking care of the rangy south african kevin understand in straight sets twenty nine year old fish has never made it past the quarterfinals all. that brings us to ice hockey were russian side has been in the in or junior club world champions see eskimo schools

you thought fit the red army steamrolling over czech side and archie have watched the action unfold in siberia. even if some fans were disappointed by the fact that it wasn't canada playing the russians in the final the feelings that rated as if and sassy atmosphere at the sold out every now charged up the red army from the opening minutes of the match their czech opponents from carl of a bar eight were the only and b.'s and c's and this sort of means going into the final match against the red army while the russians were forced to take a softer path after losing to latvia at the group stage however it was clear after the first period and three answered goals that the loss was merely a hiccup on the way to triumph the second period saw the russians ramp up the pressure on energy as that sentiment is up score mihail blocking call puts another one on the scoreboard though the czechs managed to score after the first break it was nowhere near enough to match russia's three in the second period the visitors

second goal of the match in the third period probably gave them a glimpse of hope by the red machine justified its nickname and made the score an unreachable seven to. have unbelievable emotions we're having at such and such an atmosphere that it sold things to the spectators i also think all my teammates and all of the soft money this school is great on just hit the. some of these guys could go on to play in the continental monkey league or the cage shell and some might even make it to russia's national squad for the kind of fan support they experience here in arms would be a weekly affair but for now this unique siberian experience has probably helped them and the rest of the scenes at this certain build character and the invaluable family with the big game the junior club world cup organizers are aiming for all in djibouti and want this to become a yearly event after all there aren't so many international youth competitions in

the world today and it was proved right here norms that the hunger is there. the cement. oh it's like this is your believe that you're in. another world cup judging by the attendance at this first ever junior clad world cup plus there's been some good visiting scenes this sort of and has quite a lot of potential it's hard to say who will host. the two i think that i think the russians think that it's down for success among come through at r.t. . three is company at the top of the golf championship leaderboard twenty eleven masters winner charl schwartzel bubba watson scott all on ten on or off the halfway stage in boston south africans who are till he was in second place after the opening round on caught fire on the front nine this time carting six birdies the twenty seven year old then forced a card to block nine bogeys though he finished up with

a sixty six watson meanwhile had an eagle on his scorecard as the w.d.c. bridgestone invitational winner of i'm scott this one a nice way to finish the day for me astray and a superb score of sixty three for him thirty one year old scott won this event back in two thousand and three. casey stoner how secured pole for the summer a new ground pre-booking his own left record on the maisano circuit in the process the honda rider clocking one minute thirty three point one three eight seconds to beat his own mark on a charge who'll get a rental undone and produce a star from second third on sunday stoner leads the championship by forty four points from a run so with toughest races still to come. that russian rugby team fly to new zealand later on sunday ahead of their first ever much in the world cup clash with the united states on september fifteenth richard from port fleet caught up with the squad ahead of what's going to be the biggest tournament of their playing careers.

the wait is almost over thirty players who fly to new zealand we have spent the last three months training intensively and gaining vital much experience however of our senior team if the place is club rugby in england he's delighted but russia can finally start to do better talking on the rugby pitch it's been hanging over us the you know if the idea of the world cup that's just coming closer by the day last month or so. it's a really was it's just a bit of a relief when it's finally come the day yeah yeah when we get there just going to be a. couple with their. grown kind of nervousness for the first year here however before they leave they spoke to the media about their hopes and expectations ahead of what would be the greatest moment so far in baseball it's in korea is russia one of the tournaments minnows but for the north times and he just glad to have made it couldn't even dream of it when i was younger yeah playing

the russian and even playing for us at the world cup stage so i know yeah the last three years it has been a dream and i have travelled and literally have a headache or this is the way to get that russia still have a long way to go until they can even think of being able to compete on a level playing field with the likes of new zealand and australia however the president of a russian rugby union has before his country finally made it to the finals will help boost the profile of the sport here suit his first time ever we want to fight for the rugby world cup it is a great achievement for us from team for rushmore i think it was never before with just such an opportunity to play with the world's most famous and strongest teams of course if we're going to easy play with them or force them to maybe some of these teams my technique is for the players for developing call for. it's

a great experience and also a very tall order to be the. best. rugby player. rusher played their first match of the tournament on september fifteenth against the united states of america. given they are in a group of italy australia and the island it's the game would be americans the russian coaching staff will be targeting as a look to become the first dead beaton's to ever win the manchuria first will come to mean more formal black legend shaun fitzpatrick is delighted to see russia have made it to the world camp and he says the whole of new zealand is buzzing ahead of the tournament which kicks off from friday the ninth of september. three four years since we've nine where we've won the rights to the world cup and you say i was not here any seven the last time we had a player last time to new zealand something you know as a nation. as four million people talk about a stadium of four million people and looking forward to welcoming the rugby world

and you think a passable capsulize about. the world cup of. nations that have really taken on board what a rugby world cup has got behind it despite a disappointing tour of united kingdom recently where the russians lost four games against english club sides in the russian can behind and even if they lose all four games in new zealand the most important thing is that they have become the first players to represent their country and the third biggest sporting event in the world which bumpily doxie moscow. tough road ahead for russia but a fascinating one all the same all that is all the sports now whether it's next year in twenty four or. well for. the latest in science and technology from around russia.

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he. is. today's news and this week's top stories leave us new leaders try to bring calm to tripoli after capturing the capital but the massive flood of weapons on the streets means stability could still be a long way off from. moscow slams that use new with sanctions on syria

while lack of accurate media coverage coming out of the country raises questions asked do who's to blame for the bloodshed and. a burning controversy ukraine's threatens to take russia to court insisting on a lower gas prices but the kremlin says it's on solid ground in the latest round of an old battle. chief says it wants to discount on the russian gas but most school says it has no legal grounds to alter the contract for the latest details joining us from key of in just several minutes. and a night of rage in israel hundreds of thousands rally in the nation's biggest protests demanding the authorities turn their attention promise security to social justice. to. the what you are to.