now recognize that the countries the power the british m.p. barry gardner believes the u.k. has gone far beyond the un resolution next he talks to the labor politician who voted against the intervention. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very against the intervention in libya mr gardiner thanks for talking to r.t. today now we see that the rebels if we can still call them that have practically taken tripoli and that gaddafi looks like he's lost the fight have you changed your mind about the libyan intervention the point is the legitimacy of it and that's what i created in the beginning and i think most people would agree that it was right to intervene on humanitarian grounds to save the people of benghazi that was never the issue the issue was all whether nato should then become involved as

effectively the strikeforce for the rebel corps and that's what it's been and that of course was in my view way beyond the brief that the united nations had given and it was wrong it was not the should have been about regime change a civil war in libya is something for them it's not something for the rest of the world to intervene how do you wish it could have been different then what would you have done if you'd been in charge i think what we should have seen is we should have seen an intervention by the forces that went in to stop that attack on benghazi to neutralize gadhafi and to make sure that he did not conduct any aggressive sorties as he had previously been doing but not that they should then become the air on the straight forward for the rebels david cameron said a few days ago that nato would lend support in libya for as long as civilians need protecting what was your reaction to that is that open ended commitment as it

sounds. it was very clear in the original un resolution it was very clear if our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be. b. no occupation force that would be totally wrong one of the things that troubled me all was this ambivalence as to whether there should be troops on the ground and of course that wasn't expressly prohibited by the resolution but but it was something that i think all of us were very concerned about. what we saw as the rebels were going into tripoli the other day certainly on the radio programs that were broadcast in the u.k. we would go left go left go left these instructions being yelled out by what were obviously british soldiers british personnel who were leading that

advance group now that i think is where we've overstepped the line there's also now talk of posting peacekeeping forces on the ground in libya i see that something you oppose but you know decimated country with no structures for maintaining order now is that not the only way i don't believe it is i don't believe that's right we should be staying there. to establish the new regime that's that's not what this was originally about it was about humanitarian protection now let me be clear i'm very pleased to see the back of gadhafi who is a very evil dictator the sooner he is in front of the international criminal court the better. and i'm very glad that his days are now at an end i wish for the new regime well but i think it's important that they establish their regime they prove to the international community that they have the capacity not to tear

themselves into different factions and to libya as a strong and unified government but that's their responsibility you supported the invasion of iraq by. thousand and three why is this so different it's very different. the invasion of iraq was because. saddam hussein had refused to reveal as he was obliged to under tractor seven of the united nations resolution whether or not he had got rid of the nuclear chemical and. biological weapons that we knew he had previously. he refused to do that even as late as february hans blix was saying we do not know whether he still has these he listed a whole load of v.x. nerve gas mustard gas different agents chemical agents so we didn't know and he was not willing to allow. other countries to come to interview the scientists to see

the audit trails to know whether he got rid of them or not in that situation it would have been ludicrous to have had a million strong army that was on the doorstep of iraq simply go away when the resolution four hundred forty one had given iraq given him a final opportunity to comply with his obligations how the world done that then what would've happened is he would have simply rebuilt those programs with impunity knowing that he was absolutely untouchable and the world would not do anything against him we would have then been precipitated into a far more major conflict into the in the middle east between iran and iraq with devastating consequences destruction of the world's oil supplies it was a terrible situation and it was right that we took the action that we did not the fact that the united nations didn't sanction it in terms of a second resolution does not change the fact that forty and forty one said it was

the final opportunity for him to comply now i'm a parent i have children i know that if i tell my children please come and do the washing up and they don't do it and i. look i've told you once already please couple of question up if you have twelve years of that which is what we had with saddam hussein and you then come to the point where you say this is your final chance and he still does not comply then it's important that you take the ultimate sanction after that what about what happened afterwards there in both iraq and afghanistan the real violence began after the dictatorships were toppled do you see that happening in libya i think there is a danger of this and what you saw was certainly in iraq was a complete failure of the occupying powers then to stabilize the situation and they let the the iraqi army keep their weapons but they disbanded the army they said you

must go back to your villages but you can keep your weapons this was insanity absolutely insanity and we must not be in a position where what we've done is created greater instability in libya that is absolutely clear. but nonetheless we equally must avoid is becoming an occupation force i think afghanistan is a very good example russia has very bitter experience of afghanistan as does britain of being an occupying power and you start off being a friend of someone and you end up being hated by everyone an occupying force is a very dangerous place to be and you should get out as quickly as you can what's the middle way that some would argue that nato is stepping in has made the situation worse is it not their nature is responsibility to stay and clear up the mess you pose the question that really is how do you get to where you want to to be and of course the answer is well i wouldn't have started from here but you're right

we're now in this situation and therefore what we have to do is to ensure that we provide support for stability without our cells being that state. military force it must not be that the new government relies on the military of britain and nato in order to maintain power they must be able to do that on their own we can give advice we can give help to help them stabilize the situation but we must not assume responsibility ourselves governments insist that lessons were learned from what happened in iraq but given the way that this conflict been conducted do you believe that it's always a danger for every government to my view and every army to be fighting the last war. what you do is you learn lessons from one conflict which you then take on to the next but usually what you forget is that the

context of the situation is different the next time and therefore the lessons that you've learned from the previous experience may not be appropriate in the conflict that you are now fighting you mentioned the factions inside the national transitional council we now know that some of those factions are religious groups who hope to establish an islamic state in libya what will the attitude to that be do you think. nato and from the libyans themselves will they get a voice in this new democracy it's not for nato or for the else to allow but it's for the people of libya to decide what they want to do it's for them to decide their own future. in this country and. all across the world people have had to learn to live. with the fact that we have different religious views different ethical views nonetheless we have to live

together we have to spine some means of sharing a society sharing the country and making it work for all of us i believe the people of libya are no less capable of doing that. when the people of america or the people of the united kingdom do you think that ultimately. will cause more trouble in the middle east a region that after all already deeply unstable no i think the most serious i think it will it if nato stays there as an occupation force but i don't think that is going to happen i think the really troubling conflicts in the middle east at the moment are within syria i think if you look at bahrain and the way in which saudi arabia went into bahrain to prop up the oligarchy there against the wishes of the people these are the flashpoints in the middle east that still have not. and that is going to happen. once people have sent to dreadful once they have

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discoveries buzy. communicate with the want to. test yourself and become free. see what nature can give you. today's news and this week's at the top a story that libya's new leaders tried to bring calm to tripoli to capturing the capital at that massive plot of weapons off the streets to finish you could still be a long way off. moscow's being used the newest sanctions on syria

aimed to put pressure on president assad even his crackdown on protesters without say the accuracy of media coverage. coming out of the country are even questions about blame for the bloodshed. ukraine threatens to take russia to court in its push for a discount on gas prices but the kremlin claims that followed ground in the living battle saying here is complaints have no legal grounds. and hundreds of thousands rally across israel in the nation's biggest protests the demonstrations demand their attention from security to social justice. that people are there to support for me to get dizzy again and less than a week now to go until the rugby world cup cake self yeah it's right here you know on friday it starts us all the teams are busy arriving into new zealand russia

they're leaving today actually from moscow they go on then you can hear your money there the question is i'm going to sit on the fence i'm going to see the obvious that i'm going to see in new zealand but also as an art side bet surprise surprise arlin so we'll see. you know we have more on those preparations plus the rest of the sport right now. thanks for joining us this sunday afternoon here from central moscow plenty ahead in sports today including. grand slam scallop the rising russian tennis star as i left the sea of public beats former world number one you leave me young to reach the fourth round flushing meadows. princes all be icy eskimos whose youth the team the red army win the first ever world junior club ice hockey challenge.

jetting off to compete in the rugby world cup for the first ever time this year r.t. caught up with the squad before the fly to using. tennis first where a quarter of the last sixteen players in the women's side of the u.s. open this year will be russian public is one of them victory over you in a young setting up a clash with francesca schiavone for the twenty year old serbian activate simply unable to adjust to the russians aggressive style of play is going to end sixty one were next up here before from the set done to beat publishing clover and the french open quarterfinals this year. meanwhile will do popple with the top ranked player off the championships caroline wozniacki the world number seventeen beating. six four six two to advance. wozniacki herself eating value six to six four in the first match of the day so

that means it's the day off against two thousand and four u.s. open winner kuznetsova wozniacki still awaiting her first grand slam title. it's not looking so rosy for russia's representatives in the men's side of things igor can it's in the country's last hope of success this season after nikolai. danko fell to world number one novak djokovic on saturday joker showing just why he's the bookies favorite at flushing meadows the serve marching into a run for courtesy of is no nonsense six three six four six to win alexander paul of next for the twenty four year old who's aiming for a third major of the season. roger federer is ruling on along as well the swiss making the fourth stage after a tough four seven conduit six three four six six four six two how it ended up one minako lies in wait next for the thirds. seriously don't care much how i'm playing

i mean are we sure played my best every single time and. amazing but the reality is that everybody who goes to work knows not. as great as he wishes to be and we go through the same thing. on many people's odds so i'd bet for success in new york mardy fish has also made it into week two they world number eight taking care of the range the south african kevin understand and streets its twenty nine year old fish has never made it past the quarter finals of. the right that brings us to ice hockey where russian side helping cry and in or junior club world champion say ask him all schools you thought fit the red army steamrolling all over check side energy. watch the action on fold in siberia. even if some fans were disappointed by the fact that it wasn't canada plane the russians in the final the feelings of that rated as if and sassy atmosphere at the sells out

every now charged up the red army from the opening minutes of the match their check opponents from carl of of bar eight were the only and b.'s and c's and this sort of means going into the final match against the red army while the russians were forced to take a softer path after losing to latvia at the group stage however it was clear after the first period and three answered goals that the loss was merely a hiccup on the way to triumph the second period saw the russians ramp up the pressure on energy as that sentiment is up score mihail blocking call puts another one on the scoreboard though the czechs managed to score after the first break it was nowhere near enough to match russia's three in the second period the visitors second goal of the match in the third period probably gave them a glimpse of hope but the red machine justified its nickname and made the score an unreachable seven to. have unbelievable emotions with having had such and such an atmosphere that it sold things to the spectators also think oh my teammates and all

of the soft members school is great i'm just happy. some of these guys could go on to play in the continental monkey or the cage shell and some might even make it so russia's national squad for the kind of fan support they experience here in arms would be a weekly affair but for now this unique siberian experience has probably helped them and the rest of the scenes at this certain build character and they invaluable family with the big game the junior club world cup organizers are aiming for all in djibouti and want this to become a yearly event after all there aren't too many international youth competitions in the world today and it was proved right here norms that the hunger is there. the true man. i think it all looks like they are believe that the air here is. another world cup judging by the attendance at this first ever junior clad world

cup plus there's been some good visiting scenes this tournament has quite a lot of potential it's hard to say who will host the next few months i think that i think the russians think that it's down to success women call for a party. or i let's talk golf or three company at the top of the door chip buying championship leaderboard twenty eleven masters winner charl swartz l bubba watson scott all intent on the halfway stage in boston so the african swarts it was in second place after round one on caught fire in the front nine this time i sporting six birdies the twenty seven two very forced to wear over to card to box nine bogeys to finish with a sixty six watson meanwhile had an eagle on his card as the w g c bridgestone invitational winner scott this one a nice way to finish the day for these three and a superb score sixty three for the two thousand and three champion. casey stoner how secured pole for the summer

a new grand prix this afternoon breaking his own lap record on the maisano circuit in the process the honda rider clocking a time of one minute thirty three point one three eight seconds to beat his own mark on a truck or gallery and so on tony could do so he would start from second on third later on sunday to leave the championship by forty four points from the end so with half a dozen races still ticking. finally the russian rugby team fly to new zealand later on sunday ahead of their first ever match in the world cup a clash with the united states on september fifteenth richard from port fate caught up with the squad ahead of what's going to be the biggest tournament this is ever played in. the wait is almost over thirty players who fly to new zealand who have spent the last three months training intensively and gaining vital much experience however of a senior team if the place is club rugby in england he's delighted but russia can finally start to do better talking on the rugby pitch it's been hanging over us the

you know if the idea of the world cup that's just coming close by a day last month or so. really was it just a bit of a relief when it's finally come however before they leave they spoke to the media about their hopes and expectations ahead of what would be the greatest moment so far in baseball which in career is russia one of the tournaments minnows but for the north times and he just glad to have made it couldn't even dream of it when i was younger yeah change the russian and even play for us at the world cup stage so now you know the last two years it has been a dream and i have traveled literally have a world away to get that russia still have a long way to go until they can even think of being able to compete on a level playing field with the likes of new zealand and australia however the president of a russian rugby union has been fact his country finally made it to the finals will

help boost the profile of the sport here suit his first time ever we want to fight for the rugby world cup it is a great achievement for us from the team for rushmore i think it was never before with just such an opportunity to play with the. most famous and strongest teams of course if we're going to tease the door play with them or force them to maybe meet some of these teams my technique is for the players for developing professional rugby to great experience rusher play their first match of the tournament on september fifteenth against the united states of america. given they are in a group of italy australia and the island it's the game would be americans rushing coaching staff will be targeting a spade look to become the first dead beaton's to ever win the mansion their first world cup meanwhile former all black legend shaun fitzpatrick is delighted to see russia have made it to the world camp and he says the whole of new zealand is buzzing ahead of the tournament which kicks off in front of the ninth september he

said i can't wait i was not here any seven last time we had a player and i have a lot of times to new zealand sun sand as a nation. as four million people talk about a stadium of four million people and looking forward to welcoming the rugby world despite a disappointing tour of united kingdom recently where the russians was only four games against english welsh club sides of the russian campus heinie even if they lose all four games in new zealand the most important thing is that they have become the first players to represent their country and the third biggest sporting event in the world which bump orthodoxy. and great stuff is all the sport for the telly sublevel is here in two hours time with more that's all for me for the day whether it's next see a short. mission

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these new with sanctions on syria while other accurate media coverage coming out of the country raises questions as to who's to blame for the bloodshed. about in controversy in ukraine threatening to take russia to court insisting on lower gas prices but the kremlin says it's on solid ground in the latest round of an old bomb. as it wants to discount on the russian gas but most school says it has no legal grounds to alter the contract for the latest details join us from kiev in just several minutes. and a night of rage in israel hundreds of thousands rally in the nation's biggest protests demanding to go forward to turn their attention from security to social justice.