gives his insights into the conflicts. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very serious against the intervention in libya mr gardiner thanks for talking to r.t. today now we see that the rebels if we can still call them lads have practically taken tripoli and that gaddafi looks like he's lost the fight have you changed your mind about the libyan intervention the point is the legitimacy of it and that's what i queried in the beginning and i think most people would agree that it was right to intervene on humanitarian grounds to save the people of benghazi that was never the su the issue was all whether nato should then become involved as effectively the strikeforce for the rebel corps and that's what it's been and that of course was in my view way beyond the brief that the united nations had given and

it was wrong it was not this should have been about regime change a civil war in libya is something for them it's not something for the rest of the world to intervene how do you wish it could have been different then what would you have done if you'd been in charge i think what we should have seen is we should have seen an intervention by the forces that went in to stop that attack on benghazi to neutralize gadhafi and to make sure that he then did not conduct any aggressive sorties as he had previously been doing but not that they should then become the air on the straight forward for the rebels david cameron said a few days ago that nato would lend support in libya for as long as civilians need protecting what was your reaction to that is that open ended commitment is it sounds. it was very clear in the original un resolution it was very clear our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there

would be no. occupation force that would be totally wrong one of the things that troubled me all was this ambivalence as to whether there should be troops on the ground and of course that wasn't expressly prohibited by the resolution but but it was something that i think all of us were very concerned about. what we saw as the rebels were going into tripoli the other day certainly on the radio programs that were broadcast in the u.k. we would go left go left go left these instructions being yelled out by what were obviously british soldiers british personnel who were leading that advance group now that i think it's where we've overstepped the line there's also now talk of putting peacekeeping forces on the ground in libya i seen that

something you oppose but you know decimated country with no structures for maintaining order now is that not the only way i don't believe it is i don't believe it's right that we should be staying there effectively to establish the new regime that's not what this was originally about it was about humanitarian protection now let me be clear i am very pleased to see the back of gadhafi who is a very evil dictator the sooner he is in front of the international criminal court the better. and i'm very glad that his days are now at an end i wish for the new regime well but i think it's important that they establish their regime they prove to the international community that they have the capacity not to tear themselves into different factions and to libya as a strong and unified government but that's their responsibility you supported the

invasion of iraq back in two thousand and. three why is this so different it's very different. the invasion of iraq was because. saddam hussein had refused to reveal as he was obliged to under the chapter seven of the united nations resolution whether or not he had got rid of all of the nuclear chemical. biological weapons that we knew he had previously about he refused to do that even as late as february hans blix was saying we do not know whether he still has these he listed a whole load of v.x. nerve gas mustard gas different agents chemical agents so we didn't know and he was not willing to allow. other countries to come to interview the scientists to see the audit trails to know whether he got rid of them or not in that situation it would have been ludicrous to have had

a million strong army that was on the doorstep of iraq simply go away when the resolution four hundred forty one had given iraq given him a final opportunity to comply with his obligations how the world done that then what would've happened is he would have simply rebuilt those programs with impunity knowing that he was absolutely untouchable and the world would not do anything against him we would have then been precipitated into a far more major conflict into the in the middle east between iran and iraq with devastating consequences destruction of the world's oil supplies it was a terrible situation and it was right that we took the action that we did not the fact that the united nations didn't sanction it in terms of a second resolution does not change the fact that forty and forty one said it was the final opportunity for him to comply now i'm a parent i have children i know that if i tell my children please come and do the

washing up and they don't do it and i say look i've told. once already please come up if you have twelve years of that which is what we had with saddam hussein and you then come to the point where you say this is your final chance and he still does not comply then it's important that you take the ultimate sanction after that what about what happened afterwards there in both iraq and afghanistan the real violence began after the dictatorships were toppled do you see that happening in libya i think there is a danger of this and what you saw certainly in iraq was a complete failure of the occupying powers then to stabilize the situation and they let the the iraqi army keep their weapons but they disbanded the army and they said you must go back to your villages but you can keep your weapons this was insanity absolutely insanity and we must not be in a position to prove what we've done is created greater instability in libya that is

absolutely clear. but nonetheless we equally must avoid is becoming an occupation force i think afghanistan is a very good example russia has very bitter experience of afghanistan as as does britain of being an occupying power and you start off being a friend of someone and you end up being hated by everyone an occupying force is a very dangerous place to be and you should get out as quickly as you can what's the middle way that some would argue that nato is stepping in has made the situation worse is it not their nature its responsibility to stay and clear up the mess you pose the question that really is how do you get to where you want to to be and of course the answer is well i wouldn't have started from here but you're right we're now in this situation and therefore what we have to do is to ensure that we provide support for stability without our cells being that stabilizing.

military force it must not be that the new government relies on the military of britain and nato in order to maintain power they must be able to do that on their own we can give advice we can give help to help them stabilize the situation but we must not assume responsibility ourselves governments insist that lessons were learned from what happened in iraq but given the way that this conflict been conducted do you believe that it's always a danger for every government in my view and every army to be fighting the last war. what you do is you learn lessons from one conflict which you then take on to the next but usually what you forget is the context and the situation is different the next time and therefore the lessons that you've learned from the previous experience may not be appropriate in the conflict

that you are now fighting you mentioned the factions inside the national transitional council we now know that some of those factions are religious groups who hope to establish an islamic state in libya what will the attitude to that be do you think. nato and from the libyans themselves will they get a voice in this new democracy it's not for nato or for the else to allow but it's for the people of libya to decide what they want to do it's for them to decide their own future. in this country and. all across the world people have had to learn to live. with the fact that we have different religious views different ethical views nonetheless we have to live together we have to spine some means of sharing a society sharing the country and making it work for all of us i believe the people

of libya are no less capable of doing that than the people of them. of the people of the united kingdom do you think that ultimately natives intervention will cause more trouble in the middle east a region that after all already deeply unstable no i think the most serious i think it will if nato stays there as an occupation force but i don't think that is going to happen i think the really troubling conflicts in the middle east at the moment are within syria i think if you look at bahrain and the way in which saudi arabia went into bahrain to prop up the oligarchy there against the wishes of the people these are the flashpoints in the middle east that still have not burst asunder that is going to happen. once people have scented revolution once they have seen that freedom and a better life is possible i don't think they will go back under the yoke of the talk or see barry god i thank you very much.

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. championships. in the u.s. open tennis rising. best in the young. and russia to. be a world. school before they fly to new zealand. as begin with a flat where russia claimed two goals on the closing day of the world championships in south korea in the us surprising videos by. many in the women's eight hundred meters the russian. eighty seven seconds a cement now had to settle for second behind and janet calls to brawl in. the podium in the women's hamel throwing off the mocking seven to seven meters and thirteen centimeters edging closer. germany by more than chinese banks

completed the podium with seventy five point zero three meters. and jamaica claimed the final gold of the championships in style sets in the only world record of the tournament in the men's four hundred meters relay you same boards leading the cool to a thirty seven point zero four second victory finishing way ahead of france. and sank and. now the russian rugby school would fly to new zealand late on sunday had over their festival world cup match clash with the united states on the fifteenth of september. with the school ahead of its biggest a moment to date. the wait is almost over for to players who are flying to new zealand who have spent the last three months training intensively and gaining vital much experience however of a senior team if the place is club rugby in england he's delighted but russia can

finally start to do van talking on the rugby pitch it's been hanging over us the you know if the idea of the world cup that's just coming close by a day last month or so surreal us is just a bit of a relief when it's finally come however before they leave they spoke to the media about bare hopes and expectations ahead of what would be the greatest moment so far in baseball which in korea is russia one of the tournaments minnows of an all times and he just glad to have made it couldn't even dream of it when i was younger yeah playing for russia and even playing for us at the world cup in the stage so i know yeah the last few years it has been a dream and i have travelled literally have had a world that's the way to get to russia still have a long way to go until they can even think of being able to compete on a level playing field with the likes of new zealand and australia however the president of a russian rugby union has to find his country finally made it to be finals will

help boost the profile of the sport here suit his first time ever we want to fight for the rugby world cup it is a great achievement for us in the team for russian right because never before we think it's such an opportunity to play with their world's most famous and strongest teams of course if we're going to easy to play we're very. fortunate compared to some of the schemes technique is for the players for developing professional rugby it's a great experience russia play their first match of the tournament on september fifteenth against the united states of america. given they are in a group of italy australia. and oil in its game would be americans russian could you stop would be targeting history to become the first debbie tunes to ever win the match and be officially. mean long form legend fitzpatrick is delighted to see russia have made it to world com he says the whole of new zealand is buzzing ahead

of between him and which keep song from friday even months at a time you don't count why it was ninety seven the last time we had it there and i know what's changed to new zealand something you know as a nation. as four million people talk about a stadium of four million people and looking forward to welcoming the rugby world to this point a disappointing tour of united kingdom recently where the russian nationals games against upsides the morale of the russian can be strongly and even if they lose a few games in new zealand. is that they become the first player to represent their country the biggest being to move into. the you can actually go. on to the ears open tennis now where four russians have made it through to the last sixteen in the women's singles twenty year old is this able to chunk about is one of them off to eliminating for well bested in the younger of each which simply unable to adjust to the russians aggressive style of play going down thank you for

just this morning up next for bobby chan for me tell him to be the first advancing to the fourth stage. if you can use him as the only russian left in the men's store meanwhile after he fell victim to normal djokovic on saturday job is showing just why he is the bookies favorite at flushing meadows this marching into round four could see over a six three six four six two big three alexander pull of up next paul this is aiming for a third grand slam title of the season. is the first first first i think i heard this term and it's was it was expect those were his qualities you know. music. great player you know he's been around for many years he knows how to play in this league you know how to play majors. he went out there and played his game very aggressive so i think i was a little bit to start and that's why i was missing missing a lot of balls or inside but but you know when i needed to adjust i think i did you

know commercial breaks the. third what was it was but. roger federer is rolling along as well although it's proving a bit harder the swiss making the fourth stage after winning four sets against martin challenged six three four six six four six two one monaco is next for the third seed on monday. you don't care about our playing i mean i wish i played my best every single time and feel amazing but the reality is everybody who goes to work knows it's not. as great as you wish to be and we go through the same thing and finally the most high profile professional athletes usually have a skilful agent to thankful that exposure and big money deals the ice hockey agent association vice president can i do a shot call has been shedding some light on his profession or gorski explains. huge contracts global brand indorsements and thousands of screaming fans the ice

hockey all stars of the world really do have it all but despite being phenomenally talented individuals they would have a hard time making such an impact on the biggest stage without so many strings behind the scenes now the coffee never expected to become a sports agent but now you've become one of russia's trailblazers in the business he manages such mega stars as you have getting market in surrogate gone char so there's also jane that i became an agent by accident i lost my job in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine and was struggling to make ends meet a friend of mine called me one day and said he called word from the new york rangers that's a sports agency is pursuing me but i didn't jump the gun and let those guys pursue my service he's eventually the company's representatives met with me and i took up the job. shut off is well aware of the trials and tribulations of my. self that a twenty three year playing career in cold spartak moscow after that. so i've got

some colleagues who never played and they think the hockey back of it is not necessary to do their job good i tend to disagree as one must be able to evaluate and i feats current level of performance and his just finished that's what ultimately determines a player's price and while managing malkin gone charge and other big names would be the top and shut off resumes no agent would want to miss a transcendent up and coming talent little blossom was our devotion and i was does it is a stark i would say i represent between forty to fifty players in total including those born in one thousand nine hundred four and one nine hundred ninety five i try to keep in touch with all my clients and go to their matches if possible and obviously there's a conflict of interest frequently because i can't tell you all my players games i'm just saying that's how you have. the competitive big money business can bring out the worst in so me. so i'm going to spies to steal the diamond in the rough that

others. call says he experienced those shady dealings firsthand and believes a lack of sporting knowledge is driving just colleagues to underhanded tactics yes against. one agent a place employee told me he would take players from the ones his current crop of stars retired this practice is widespread in russia while the united states for instance has a code of conduct which limits such action if an athlete is already represented by one inch and no other agents can recruit him with a video however it was shock of claims he knows a few american agents who find ways to cheat players out of their hard earned money so let me take you seriously this is just horrific because i've never heard of asians taking money from players in russia once it's happened in the states i know the two hundred kostitsyn was a victim of such a scam and they also tried to trick alexander ovechkin and alexander. since parents are the ones who often choose their child's ages for the future that is that they should make inquiries about its every age and. the players themselves go are much

tighter need to help each other out when the ball gets tough molecule mom goes benefiting from the smooth n.h.l. transition by teaming up with going shock posing a lot of approaches malkin has an easier time adjusting because going charm was already on the team max talbot's considered the pros bieber also our clients playing in pittsburgh at the time middle of the marquee moved into sergei's high use and stayed there for three and a couple years so gone char was like a big brother to you gave me for a while he paid the bills helped him set up a bank account among other things the result was a senior favorite athlete on the list of the richest people in their sphere or the cover of a new magazine or endorsing a product is the result of a good agency work but those men like also clearly have the ability to become greeted by as a civic life while allowing the players to blossom in their respective the. bonds of gorski r t. most sports in two hours time next stop is whether why you want to

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