transitional council is now widely recognized as the country's legitimate power british m.p. barry gardner who voted against western intervention gives his insight into the conflict. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very serious against the intervention in libya mr gardiner thanks for talking to r.t. today now we see that the rebels if we can still call them that have practically taken tripoli and that gaddafi looks like he's lost the fight have you changed your mind about the libyan intervention the point is the legitimacy of it and that's what i created in the beginning and i think most people would agree that it was right to intervene on humanitarian grounds to save the people of benghazi that was never the su the issue was all whether nato should then become involved as

effectively the strikeforce for the rebel corps and that's what it's been and that of course was in my view way beyond the brief that the united nations had given and it was wrong it was not the should have been about regime change a civil war in libya is something for them it's not something for the rest of the world to intervene how do you wish it could have been different then what would you have done if you'd been in charge i think we should have news we should have seen an intervention by the forces that went in to stop that attack on benghazi to neutralize gadhafi and to make sure that he then did not conduct any aggressive sorties as he had previously been doing but not that they should then become the air on the strike forward for the rebels david cameron said a few days ago that nato would lend support in libya for as long as civilians need protecting what was your reaction to that is that open ended commitment is it sounds. it was very clear in the original un

resolution it was very clear when our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be no. occupation force that would be totally wrong one of the things that troubled me all was this ambivalence as to whether there should be troops on the ground and of course that wasn't expressly prohibited by the resolution but but it was something that i think all of us were very concerned about. what we saw as the rebels were going into tripoli the other day certainly on the radio programs that were broadcast in the u.k. we would go left go left go left these instructions being yelled out by what were obviously british soldiers british personnel who were leading that

advance group now that i think it's where we've overstepped the line there's also now talk of pursing peacekeeping forces on the ground in libya i've seen that something you oppose but you know decimated country with no structures for maintaining order now is that not the only way i don't believe it is i don't believe it's right that we should be staying there. to establish the new regime that's not what this was originally about it was about humanitarian protection now let me be clear i am very pleased to see the back of gadhafi who is a very evil dictator the sooner he is in front of the international criminal court the better. and i'm very glad that his days are now at an end i wish the new regime well but i think it's important that they establish their regime they prove to the international community that they have the capacity not to

tear themselves into different factions and to libya as a strong unified government but that's their responsibility you supported the invasion of iraq back in two thousand and. three why is this different it's very different. the invasion of iraq was because. saddam hussein had refused to reveal as he was obliged to under the chapter seven of the united nations resolution whether or not he had got rid of all of the nuclear chemical. biological weapons that we knew he had previously about he refused to do that even as late as february hans blix was saying we do not know whether he still has these he listed a whole load of v.x. nerve gas mustard gas different agents chemical agents so we didn't know and he was not willing to allow. other countries to come to interview the scientists to see

the audit trails to know whether he got rid of them or not in that situation it would have been ludicrous to have had a million strong army that was on the doorstep of iraq simply go away when the resolution fourteen forty one had given iran given him a final opportunity to comply with its obligations how the world done that then what would have happened if he would have simply rebuilt those programs with impunity knowing that he was absolutely untouchable and the world would not do anything against him we would have then been precipitated into a far more major conflict into the in the middle east between iran and iraq with devastating consequences destruction of the world's oil supplies it was a terrible situation and it was right that we took the action that we did now and the fact that the united nations didn't sanction it in terms of a second resolution does not change the fact that fourteen forty one said it was

the final opportunity for him to comply now i'm a parent i have children i know that if i tell my children please come and do the washing up and they don't do it and i say look i've told. once already please cover up if you have twelve years of that which is what we had with saddam hussein and you then come to the point where you say this is your final chance and he still does not comply then it's important that you take the ultimate sanction after that what about what happened afterwards there in both iraq and afghanistan the real violence began after the dictatorships were toppled do you see that happening in libya i think there is a danger of this and what you saw was certainly in iraq was a complete failure of the occupying powers then to stabilize the situation and they let the the iraqi army keep their weapons but they disbanded the army and they said you must go back to your villages but you can keep your weapons this was insanity

absolutely insanity and we must not be in a position of what we've done is created greater instability in libya that is absolutely clear. but nonetheless we equally must avoid is becoming an occupation force i think afghanistan is a very good example russia has very bitter experience of afghanistan as does britain of being an occupying power and you start off being a friend of someone and you end up being hated by everyone an occupying force is a very dangerous place to be and you should get out as quickly as you can what's the middle way that some would argue that nato stepping in has made this situation worse is it not their nature his responsibility to stay and clear up that that you pose the question that really is how do you get to where you want to do to be and of course the answer is well i wouldn't have started from here but you're right

we're now in this situation and therefore what we have to do is to ensure that we provide support for stability without our cells being that stabilizing. military force it must not be that the new government relies on the military of britain and nato in order to maintain power they must be able to do that on their own we can give advice we can give help to help them stabilize the situation but we must not assume responsibility ourselves government insists that lessons were learned from what happened in iraq given the way that this conflict been conducted do you believe that it's always a danger for every government in my view and every army to be fighting the last war. what you do is you learn lessons from one conflict which you then take on to the next but usually what you forget is that the

context of the situation is different the next time and therefore the lessons that you've learnt from the previous experience may not be appropriate in the conflict that you are now fighting you mentioned the factions inside the national transitional council we now know that some of these factions are religious groups who hope to establish an islamic state in libya what will the attitude to that be do you think. nato and from the libyans themselves will they get a voice in this new democracy it's not for nato or for the else to allow but it's for the people of libya to decide what they want to do it's for them to decide their own future. in this country and. all across the world people have had to learn to live. with the fact that we have different religious views different ethical views nonetheless we have to live together we have to spine some means of sharing

a society sharing the country and making it work for all of us i believe the people of libya are no less capable of doing that than the people of of the. of the people of the united kingdom do you think that ultimately nature will cause more trouble in the middle east after already deeply unstable so i think the most serious i think it will if if if nato stays there as an occupation force but i don't think that is going to happen i think the really troubling conflicts in the middle east at the moment are within syria i think if you look at bahrain and the way in which saudi arabia went into bahrain to prop up the oligarchy there against the wishes of the people these are the flashpoints in the middle east that still have not and that is going to happen. once people have scented revolution once they have seen that freedom and

a better life is possible i don't think they will go back under the yoke of the talk or see god and thank you very much. sixty six because the things say other things i was doing in this reason we were given for doing it was a personal protest. during the vietnam war the murders that altered the course of history. take place on college campuses but in their ships it penetrated elite military colleges like west point and it spread throughout the battlefields of vietnam. today few people know about that against the war in vietnam. after the army we always said free the army or fun travel and adventure but it

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behind the bloodshed and just how much is like. the libyan rebels a poised to crush the last pockets of resistance from ca to get a few supporters with time running out for the. to lay down arms. and israelis have staged the biggest of anti-government protests against the willing living standards of three hundred thousand people gathered nationwide to get the government to spend more on social programs instead of settlements and the military . ukraine is turning up the heat on his gas route with the money to previously agreed prices a cut off refusing to make any concessions russian intends the current contract complies with international requirements cannot be revised you know not turning. live pictures of international law in harmony live coverage red square which is bringing to the sound of military music right now. who is wrapping up the russian capital is also celebrating its eight hundred sixty day which culminates in

a record attempting laser show which will bring you live in just over an hour from now here on the street. and let's see who's lighting up next the tasha's with us with the latest. thank you bill welcome to sign this board here in our team and here are our top stories this hour icing on the cake russia add two golds to them medal tally on the final day of the world athletics championships with wins in the hamilton rowing and women's eight hundred meters. meanwhile you say baldly is jamaica a well directed breaking victory in the fall by one hundred meters relay the final events of the dagger championships. and also russia said to compete in their own three world cup for the first ever time this year r.t.

caught up with the school before they flew to new zealand. and let's begin with a third takes where the world finals concluded on sunday with russia claiming two more goals on the closing day by deciding that was surprising the odds by beating world champion costs are so many in the women's eight hundred meters the russian call q one minute fifty five point eighty seven seconds so many had to settle for second behind and jana dip close to bronze. i have an incredible feeling inside me i can't find any worse to express them i'm not tired though my result was the task dick i have three more competitions this season but i won the most important one the world championships. and they're in it and you can only see on the podium in the women's hamilton rowing off the mocking seven to seven majors those in centimeters and betsy of germany by more than a metre china's van sushant completed the podium in this event.

and jamaica claimed the final gold of the championships in style citing the only well dragged of the tournament and demands full by one hundred meters relay you saying balts amazingly cool to me thirty seven point zero four second victory finishing way ahead of second place for all and same pizza name. we came and said. it's all good in that regard to. that so it's a. bit of. a bit of back to the british. and russia have to be island in the. game to guarantee themselves the top spalding group b. dick advocaat schooled held an open training session on sunday two days before the all important game statistics are on russia's side edged. away from home for the upcoming moscow clash. as

a defeat. hopes. midfielder sidelined through suspension russia also play slovakia and the door on the seventh and eleventh of october respectively. now russian rugby players are looking forward to their first ever world cup match a clash against the united states on the fifteenth of september which is where the school before they had two new zealand. the wait is almost over thirty players who fly to new zealand who have spent the last three months training intensively and gaining vital much experience however of a senior team if the place is club rugby in england he's delighted but russia can finally start to do better talking on the rugby pitch it's been hanging over us the you know that the idea of the world cup that's just coming up close by a day last month or so so really was it just a bit of relief and it's finally come however before they leave they spoke to the

media about their hopes and expectations ahead of what would be the greatest moment so far in baseball which in career is russia one of the tournaments minnows but of an all times and he just glad to have made it couldn't even dream of it when i was younger yeah playing for russia and even playing for us at the world cup on the stage so now here are the last three years it has been a dream and i've travelled literally have a day or so away to get to russia still have a long way to go until they can even think of being able to compete on a level playing field with the likes of new zealand and australia however the presence of a russian rugby union was before act his country finally made it to finals will help boost the profile of the sport here suit his first time ever we want to fight for the rugby world cup it is a great achievement for us in the team for russian right here because never before we think it's such an opportunity to play with their world's most famous and

strongest teams of course if we're going to be easier to play with them or force them to meet some of these teams but to me it is for the players for developing professional rugby it's a great experience russia play their first match of the tournament on september fifteenth we're going to be united states of america. given they are in a group into a lethal strain. and oil and again with the americans russian coaching staff will be targeting it's be become the first day between us to ever win the match and be officially. mean long form legend shaun fitzpatrick is delighted to see russia have made it to world com he says the whole of new zealand is buzzing ahead of the tournament which keeps song from friday even months it. was ninety seven the last time we had it there and i know what's changed in new zealand. as a nation. as four million people talk about

a stadium of four million people and looking forward to welcoming the rugby world respond to disappointing tour of united kingdom recently whether russian nationals games against english websites the run of the russian campus try and even if they lose a few games in new zealand in this thing is that they've become the first place to represent their country the biggest speech moving to. meet r.t. . now jorge lorenzo has won the summer in the big grand prix to stay in contention for this year's title cases don't however retains the despite finishing fed the runs on his blue yamaha past the pole sitter and season leader on the first and held on to win ahead of compadres dani pedrosa who beat stella into third place and the rain hit the track so we want to finish with spain italy and spaniards were also winners in the rest of the categories for the day there and so come stone is advantaged to thirty five points with five races still to go in twenty eleven next

stop is it our goal. and finally the most high profile professional athletes usually have a skilful agent to thank for their exposure and big money details the ice agent association vice president has been shedding some light on his profession it was a scary ports. huge contracts global brand indorsements and thousands of screaming fans the ice hockey all stars of the world really do have it all but despite doing phenomenally talented individuals they would have a hard time making such an impact on the biggest stage without someone pulling the strings behind the scenes now the cough never expected to become a sports agent but now he's become one of russia's trailblazers in the business he met just such megastars as you have getting moloch in and sergey going char so there's also jamie i became an agent by accident i lost my job in one thousand nine

hundred ninety and was struggling to make ends meet a friend of mine called me one day and said he got word from the new york rangers that's a sports agency is pursuing me i didn't jump the gun and let those guys pursue my service he's eventually the company's representatives met with me and i took up the job was shut off as well aware of the trials and tribulations of crime i mean self that a twenty three year playing career in cold spartak moscow after that. i've got some colleagues who never played and they think a hockey background is not necessary to do their job i tend to disagree as one must be able to evaluate an athlete's current level of performance and his potential and that's what ultimately determines a player's price and while managing malkin gone char and other big names would be the top and presently no agent would want to miss a transcendent offer coming to allen little blossom star bush and i was as a business that i would say i represent between forty to fifty players in total

including those born in one thousand nine hundred four and one nine hundred ninety five and we've yet i tried to keep in touch with all my clients and go to their matches if possible obviously there's a conflict of interest frequently because i can't tell all my peers gamins are going to say that's why you have. the competitive big money business can bring out the worst in so me. so i'm going to spies to steal the diamond in the rough that others. call says he experienced those shady dealings first hand and believes a lack of sporting knowledge is driving his colleagues to underhanded tactics yes i don't see you know one agent play simply told me he would take players from me once his current crop of stars retired this practice is widespread in russia while the united states for instance has a code of conduct which limits such action if an athlete is already represented by one inch and no other agent can recruit him with a video however it was shock of claims he knows a few american agents who find ways to cheat players out of their hard earned money

so i mean if you say so this is just what it is because i've never heard of asians taking money from players in russia but it's happened in the states before i know the two hundred kostitsyn was a victim of such a scam and they also tried to trick alexander ovechkin and alexander. since parents are the ones who often choose their child's ages for the future that is if you should make inquiries about it every age and. the players themselves go are much tighter need move and help each other out when the going gets tough molecule along those benefiting from the smooth n.h.l. transition by teaming up with going shock ordering a lot of approaches malkin has an easier time adjusting because gone charm was already on the team max talbot's and sidney crosby were also our clients playing in pittsburgh at the time and he moved into sergei's high use and stayed there for three and a half years so gone char was like a big brother to give gagne for a while but he paid the bills helped him set up

a bank account among other things. senior favorite athlete on the list of the richest people in their sport the cover of a new magazine or endorsing a product is the result of a good agency work but those men like who shot coffee also clearly have the ability to become greeted by zz's to their clients while allowing the players to blossom in their respective these. vans gorski r.t. . that's it for this hour on what's. coming up next is though about stay with us.

russia is rallying the u.n. security council members to demand an end to the violence in syria to try and prevent the five month uprising from descending into another libyan scenario. meanwhile the libyan rebels are poised to crush the last pockets of resistance from colonel gadhafi supporters with time running out for the loyalists to lay down arms . but as thousands of. concerns at least we're going to turn to try timebomb malk from the libyan capital tripoli. and ukraine turns up the heat with russia threatening court action against moscow where the prices at the kremlin is defending the previously agreed contract. with the live pictures those international. work together in harmony red square is ringing to the sound of military music right now where moscow's annual to two is now wrapping up as i said live pictures from the center of moscow.