i'm joined by rosemary hall is the professor of middle east policy studies at city university in london rosemary thanks for speaking to r.t. so how well has the international community handled the libyan crisis will you make a distinction between the nato members some of whom are extremely proud of what's been achieved so far in libya and the broader international community who are adjusting to developments in libya and deciding to be on the side of the future though not every government around the world has yet recognized and accepted the national transitional council as the government so did they do the right thing to begin with i think the u.n. responded to an emergency the arab league made a plea for some sort of intervention to save the citizens of benghazi from massacre . but only over the last several months have we all realized the extent to which britain and france in particular nato in general basically entered the war

determined that the anti gadhafi side when there seems to be an assumption that the new government of libya will be automatically pro west and the old all contracts will just be renewed but is that really going to be the case do you think i'm not so sure that. the new libyan government will be pro-west there are three or four signals so far that they're very firmly nationalist for example they said they're not extraditing any libyan including abdel baset i'm a guy he who was convicted of the lockerbie bombing and the americans wanted. he's now close to death and living in tripoli and the national transitional council says that's where he stays the other signals are that they're talking about yes it would be nice to have u.n. help preparing for elections but no we don't want international observers there drawing a line where they think. it should be drawn between what's their business and what

international help is useful for this is a good thing to think i think it's essential for the survival of the next new libyan government that they be seem to be more libyan than a tool of the west to the west realize that you think it how dangerous is this kind of scramble for influence it's a good question how do western players realize that they are a kind of liability i think only with difficulty do they realize this they assume they've got the best interests of not only themselves but libyans to heart and it can be an amicable mutually beneficial understanding reached but yeah they talk about democracy in a way that suggests they can only see the western version the british government certainly has been very keen to stress that this will not be another iraq and that they've learned those lessons but do you think that's really the case have they really learned those lessons it seems that every political generation every

generation of politicians thinks that they can achieve things that the previous one didn't until they try. they won't say any different so cameron and tacos he took a massive gamble that they could pull something off in libya that would contrast with the disaster that was the intervention in iraq and you know how of president sarkozy talking as though this is a template for future interventions. maybe but the cost in resources in manpower in struggle that is to come i mean there will have to be massive support in humanitarian terms in the near term there will be more fighting it is taking casualties and there's a lot of rebuilding to do and reconciliation between the factions and therefore it's not over and done with in terms of. commitment of western manpower

time energy and resources how much potential is there for this to turn into another iraq is it on the right course now of course it's a cliche to say it but you know the comparisons can only be taken so far with iraq libya is a very different place and some calculations had to do with the fact that it seemed simpler to intervene in libya it was a smaller population spread out mostly along the coast with long exposed roads in between the main towns and cities that presented targets that nato aerial intervention looked capable of exploiting to good effect on the ground . how to say. what we hear about. various people from the m i six type sector but certainly special forces s.a.'s and so on operating on the ground. this is very much. a

kind of proxy war which must be extremely exciting and exhilarating at some level to be involved in so it's more likely it seems to me that in that sense the appetite for further interventions will exist as opposed to this is the template for. the triumph of humanitarianism over. warfare what about the national transitional council they've promised that within eighteen months they'll have a new constitution and elections is that possible well the lesson from. the other revolutions in the region and egypt is that there is good reasons to delay elections if you think you can organize a sensible coherent and different contrast with competing political parties if you have more time so it rather depends. people are going to vote as they did in iraq

in the initial elections on name recognition or on sectarian loyalties in this case possibly in libya on tribal loyalties or rural urban divide. name recognition rather than choosing between different party platforms but an inclusive assembly to devise and choose and approve a constitution may not be such a bad thing the u.k. government is already sending ass's that they've run frozen but is that a little bit naive given what happened in iraq with a lot of money going missing i think it's essential if you've invested in the national transitional council you certainly have to hand over the money to them you can't then say but we don't trust you to spend it correctly because then you are verging on doing what the americans did in iraq which you're saying we could do we can organize iraq better than the iraqis do you trust them to make

a point of doing it i think that's going to be retribution i think there's going to be continued conflict in neighborhoods in. out lying regions of the country i think it's going to take a long time for the libyans to find their way to a completely different path look at duffy invented was a very peculiar system it was supposed to be democracy for the masses with grassroots assemblies making the decisions it was nothing of the kind it was a dictatorship and those around colonel operated out of fear as much as green trying to suck up to him lots of people were implicated where do you draw the line who was too bad to be forgiven who needs prosecuting and will it be victor's justice or will it be the kind of magnanimous justice that is about inclusiveness. building together now the libyans

need to work all of that out in the meantime they've got to pay salaries to get the basic tasks of life including policing and the court system operating if during that period they are challenge just sign contracts with international companies and have to make decisions which end up reinforcing the role of the state in the commercial sector in the economy and include inducements from those companies to secure the contracts against the competition then we're back into the danger zone that this will not be a wholly transparent and one corrupt regime. the jury's out western leaders have stressed to the rebels the need to avoid revenge attacks and the need for tolerance yet they've also said that nato airstrikes will continue for as long as gadhafi is a threat. messages well i know from my experience of. conversations

with arabs in different parts of the arab world over many years that they never take the statements of the west at face value they always assume there's a hidden agenda and they positively expect. double standards so on this particular occasion it suits the rebels as well as the nato powers to fudge the truth about who's on the side of right and who's doing all the killing and what the consequences are but will this lead to revenge attacks already within the rebels rounding up sub-saharan black africans accusing them of being mercenaries that is appalling and there will be questions for the future of the economy how much i tender and labor do they need even the egyptians who were working for the libyans before the revolution have had rough. mint and have gone

home painted us people from east asia who've been in the same bind and you're seeing a version of racism and prejudice coming out against anybody who's black on suspicion that gadhafi recruited mercenaries from sub-saharan africa but. the truth is i'm mixture of things yes some mercenaries how witting how understanding they were of what they got involved in one doesn't know but that a lot of innocents are getting caught up in this absolutely but that is the nature of war and so despite what sarkozy and cameron and anybody else may wish to do to dress this up as a glorious rescue of the ordinary people against a vicious dictator in fact it's war and bad things happen in war thank you.

more news today violence has once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. operations or the day.

the head of the arab league leaves to syria to demand an end to the government's violent crackdown on protesters there this after the e.u. announcing new sanctions against the regime but critics say the ban on oil imports

may be serving the interests of european companies rather than those of the syrian people. spain preparing for a fresh wave of protests ahead of a crucial senate vote on capping the budget deficit a move many fear will be to social cuts meanwhile the european central bank is calling for greater financial integration of within the euro zone is the only solution to the crisis. and the pioneers of rallies against social injustice in israel forty years ago during the recent protests against the same issue members of the black panthers movement say they're frustrated the problems in israel have only gotten worse. sports news now with union and moscow seems to have turned the recently green over the past few days but tell us what that means in sports context the irish have arrived it is full time european qualifying time in moscow it's not a big game between russia and art and it could decide who goes to ukraine and poland next year we're going to look up plus the rest of the sport.

your company this is sports with a plenty ahead over the next ten minutes or so and. the win which would all but ensure dick advocaat charges on automatic qualifying spots next year's european football championships. court dates on the sea of public makes only her second ever grand slam quarter final appearance meeting with serena williams flushing meadows now away. causing a russian arch and claims the highest score in competition history on the way to winning the final world series cliff diving event of the season in ukraine. let's start with football where a crowd of seventy thousand fans are set to watch russia on the republic of ireland

go for broke in moscow tonight a victory for the home side in moscow would go a long way to ensuring russia qualify for the third straight european championships a few notable absentees from dick advocaat squad first choice goalkeeper igor sechin fear of misses the clash after picking up an injury in a recent club game on the side central midfielder rocky is also walk through suspension but a plethora of big names are on board including former chelsea mongery sure coffin arsenal's andre are shaaban russia currently set two points ahead of ardent on slovakia it doesn't matter who's playing for ireland even when the under twenty one thousand. two hundred percent always difficult to play against but we have to think and i was so fun trying to do what we did there as well. and the hope you can do as well meanwhile the irish are coming off an ill draw against slovakia the

visitors center spitting a toughing country at the luzhniki stadium where defeat could bring their qualifying hopes to an end speaking on monday captain robbie keane spoke about the two sides meeting in dublin last year a three two win for the russians. as the minder says to show you know we haven't conceded too many goals so. you've learned lessons from the game against russia and you know in order to be taking them into into tomorrow's game so. fully aware. expected of what the russian is going to bring to the table all right let's talk tennis where the quarterfinals of this year's u.s. open will feature a pair of russians settle with oh she's not one of them after being offset by world number one carline wozniacki a few moments ago to see a public chunk over meanwhile will face serena williams test after scoring an upset over francesca schiavone they all is not in the russian's favor going into the

clash publishing co but going into the italian in their previous three grand slam meeting including last year in the fourth round of flushing meadows the twenty year old also losing the thing set seven five before rallying seven six six for the final score so. probably can't cope another so russian least with a chance to take the title. of the euro williams sister meanwhile is looking in tip form on the eve of h.n.d. able to stay in the game against huge favorite serena losing six three six where the twenty nine year old has beaten upcoming opponent public took over and sets in their only career meeting. novak djokovic young cool tip sort of pitch meanwhile made grand slam history by setting up a clash against each other. the meeting will mark the first time in the opening two serbs face off in the quarter finals all the major both having to endure

a tough fighting to get there to starve a chilling off juan carlos ferrero in four sets while djokovic here was briefly caught off guard in the opening set against the orthodox style of alexander paul off world number one recruit to ever under was smooth sailing from the second set in seven six six six two the score a twenty four year old holds a two zero lead over al coming in to. do wilfred some good meanwhile holt is surging local fund favorite mardy fish after an epic five set for a twenty six year old saving all three points in the first set the body on fish took the next two sets before fronted rallied by the french can see the. grinding to a top six four six seven three six six four six two with. russia to finish top of group d. having won all of their preliminary round games at the european championships in lithuania

the latest success of one point win over previously on. monday david plotz men snatching this sixty five sixty four victory courtesy of a surrogate. bryant both are both squads though are through to the second group stage. let's talk at lennox where the russian national team have arrived back home from their most successful world championships ever inside korea those who produce brilliant displays of those world finals though already looking to the future with the cunt on to the twenty thirteen world finals which will take place in moscow now under way. with plenty of out of luggage coming back from asia having to nine goals for silver and six bronze medals but was good enough to earn second place behind the united states who finished with it doesn't go. and finally the cliff diving season has ended with the red bull world series grand finale in ukraine. wrapping up his campaign and up his so will stage all of the year with the highest total

score ever in the sports history. of this world fillings that's why the sport's most prestigious competition the red blue world series keeps traveling all across the planet to discover new locations to host their breathtaking events but the final stage of the season thirteen high flyers made their way to the swallows nest castle one of ukraine's main places of interest on the crimean shore of the black sea. and of their englishman. who entered the event as the new. four stage when seeing the briton retain his world two weeks ago. and the men. standings russia still. looking to claim their first event when harry hahn

is and. he really shines with the more typical dives. you have somebody like our tim you know oh beautiful diver. who took the lead up to the first three rounds of the can petition. execution putting the. head opponents and then to the finals the top six now left to do battle in the shadow of the castle and retirement once again he's facing the back the so-called triple one although. he stole the show at sunday's event demonstrating one of the hardest the sport has ever seen. with blank entry to the russian and. during the water with his head held high the outcome clear before the judges had even showed their

scores at first took place podium finish of the season with twenty seven year olds and horse of his career i ever it turned out to be more than just a win suit claiming the high still didn't score the competition has ever seen. most it's not my first win but it's definitely the most precious one for me i'm second in the overall standings but here i'm not it wouldn't have proved to be the backstage it's a very happy moon for me i've been here before you all to it is an incredible place this time i had my family a lot of my friends and my trainers came over to support me so i was a little nervous at first but there on the platform which i left to told how you can train and just concentrate on my diet was while i was. preparing for my dives it was kind of strange knowing that the pressure of the series was off everyone else is fighting for places and i was just taken as an individual competition

autumn just perfectly today he's got ten's on throughout his dives that's as good as it gets is scored the highest score ever gary has never scored so not even his big dives and he's diving good so often didn't win big time it didn't matter if gary was diving good or not when after winning the first two stages this year nine time world champion or longer the kid was forced to leave the conclusion due to injury but he's now recovered meaning the twenty twelve season is gearing out to be one of the most thrilling on record. the world clique dubbing series twenty eleven have just come to an end with all the best efforts of the sport having taken their owners but the point is that each of those who take part in this miss will rise in competition can be safely called an outstanding sportsman. r.t. ukraine. startling stuff amazing all the sport for now world weather is coming up

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if it's crimes the horrific critics will say one of the puts in a bowl of cereal lloyd's european union under fire as it emerges in its latest sanctions against the syrian regime won't come into force for another two months.

spain prepares for a fresh wave of protests ahead of a crucial senate vote on capping the budget deficit a move many fear will lead to huge social cuts. the path of discontent the pioneers of israel's rallies against social injustice forty years ago join recent protests against the same issue and say the problems have only gotten worse. and as ukraine attempts to renegotiate gas prices with russia it's also trying to cut its budget deficit in order to receive i.m.f. funding one of that in business with him at. nine am in moscow i matricide good to have you with us here on r t our top story the head of the arab league is due to visit syria wednesday in a bid to persuade the country's leader to end the six month long.