elite learning attack academies that's next. hello again a welcome to spotlight. on r.t.e. i'm vent today my guest in the studio is alan goodman russia is trying hard to modernize its education system and bring it up to international standards but some experts believe this would only harm the traditions of russian higher education they advocate russia going its own way so what about an outsider's view of where an average russian student stands against foreign counterparts here is the present and c.e.o. of the institute of international education alan good.

even though russia specialists are valued around the world the russian higher education isn't popular with foreign students only three percent of students who go to study abroad choose a russian university this has become a serious concern for russian educators they want a bigger share in the international educational programs russian universities are educating their students in accordance with the european higher education accords this tries to standardize the quality of education throughout europe but for some russians that's not enough and the debate is underway on the future of higher education within the country. mr goodnow welcome to the show thank you it's thank you very much for being with us thank you well first of all i wanted to ask you to comment on what president obama said recently that the us president he said that that education and innovation will be the currency of the twenty first century and therefore i quote we will expand

exchange programs and increase. scholarships like the one that brought my father to america and well it's and that's what about to say could you explain this please well you know i understand about as far the better but what does it mean saying that the currency of the twenty first century it's how all of our societies fuel you know variation is how we better educate our people and that's how we prepare them for not only global citizenship but work in a global marketplace education today can do all of that for all of our people you are sure that that about a really means it when he says that this probably will be well today there's nothing more important for america than the dollar. but he says tomorrow it will be education is that true well the way sometimes you get dollars or rubles as to get better educated and the more education you have the more chances you are to prepare

to earn more for your family and more for your country so i think president obama really means what he's what he's saying and he really believes in exchanges he is one of the few american presidents that studied abroad well you said the more the more educated you are the moment he made quote not always and you know and you know this is true but you want to say together with a bomber that in the twenty first century this will be a rare exception and when an educated person will be able to make big bucks in that trip well this century is one where we're all living in a knowledge economy we're all living in a global marketplace and we're working today to create the jobs of the future and we're preparing students to have the jobs of the future and the only way to do that is through education and the more you have of it the better. you six of state clinton once urged graduates to become and i quote this special envoy is all of

your ideas as a citizen a master's using your personal and prefer. arsenal lives to forge global partnerships do you believe that really student change may do more for understanding between people of different countries different nations than any other diplomacy traditional officialdom see i do and i think you need both the will in the way secretary clinton was talking about the willed it becomes representatives of your society representatives of your idea and exchanges the way in which we share that with other people but also learn from them so i think you have to have young people ready and willing to study abroad and ready and willing to have that experience and and you have to have exchanges increasing so that they can do that well let's listen to the young people who decided that education abroad was essential to their future life and career sports life even a dimmy the reports from moscow state university. andree is

aspiring to become a pro in the i.p.o.'s from russia which to me and to the market economy twenty years ago initial public offerings as to quite a new thing to improve his understanding of them andrea went to new york home to the world's largest stock exchange i was able to communicate with. professionals that versailles health plan terror and violence my knowledge i get new ideas from ikea this hundred is one of the cells in students who take advantage of the moscow state university exchange programs every year some of them will eventually be rewarded with a very special kind of diploma a double one in the form at the double diploma means you started in two universities in two different countries and you're a dictation is acknowledging both of these countries it means more opportunities for those who received it as a team when you're still at them clickable you the university staff believe

a mood in a globalized world makes going abroad for a to cation an a true experience that point of view is shared by sponsor a us student who is doing a degree in russian studies and came to moscow to some on the ground experience obviously for the study around the world and i think it has a lot more perspective for somebody because you can get recruited at the college and not really actually be educated if you can understand somebody else's point of view and going abroad and studying in different countries or different universities really gives you that opportunity spence's frantically gauri was born in the us a soccer grew up in the who was saying can already boast of a global educational experience and is able to compare systems in various parts of the planet united says system educational system is very individual you pick your courses you pick your glasses as far as jorma goes this thing is more traditional i enjoy russian. says the more because there's more familiar to me and close to my

heart. this school. project is now considering taking part something he would never have been able to do it had never travelled in spite of his education. you said recently in one of your interviews pursuing an education in a foreign country allows a young person to develop the skills necessary to become an effective and productive global citizen and quit. does that mean the studying abroad makes a person more competitive on the labor market than a person is going to education only here locally in his own country it makes a person mark imperative but also more compassionate and more confident. we're going abroad you learn a lot about self-reliance you learn about your ability to adapt to

a new environment and you learn to work with people from many different walks of life and cultures and that's what a global marketplace is today labor forces are multicultural they're multinational you can only learn that in the classroom you have to get out of the classroom and go to another culture and work and study in that environment as well well traditionally people want people like myself who got good educational one i'm a trained journalist they they started a career and that was their trade for the rest of their lives and i guess this was pretty much the same for everybody. my generations and generations and my father and grandfather and someone today it is changing and people people are telling me that no way that he will or will not be able to survive this way not be able to be successful you should undergo training. every additional training every other

couple of five years six years and change change your trade change your profession find something else in order to be successful is it true and and is it true that in the twenty first century people have to spend more money more time on training them before there's no rule that education stops when you're twenty one or twenty two or when you get your first degree or second degree so we really believe education is a lifelong process your field is journalism you have had to learn many different media you had to learn about many different revolutions had to learn about many different places even if you focused only on russia because russia is affected by things all over the world so you can still practice the same profession but you have to educate yourself in it every day well but we mean my generation we did learn a lot but we learned a lot while working well we started journalism as junior guy somewhere and

a paper and a radio station and then we learned from our colleagues will learn from but we never thought ok i'll quit for here and i'll go to china to learn something new and then i'll come back and get a better job is this the way people should do it today yes i think it is a new paradigm and to lose cool of thought there's nothing wrong with the old school of thought of continuing to get degrees and continue to be educated but however you do it and i think you need to have the international be part of it whether you're a journalist or an engineer or a doctor i don't know how traditionally you are you self but did that doesn't make you happy or does it make you sad that people people are not becoming super professionals in what they do but rather always look around maybe there's something better something some someplace where i can earn more some people are becoming super professionals but they're getting a global perspective and i think that's ok other people yes. you're right they'll

change their job their career their direction many times during the course of their life and one of the good things about the education systems your country and my country has is it can be there for them. well it's more fun of course changing your way of life well every once in a while but but that that i think that doesn't really move progress. forward because in order in order to find something new to to to develop something you should you should stay and do what you're doing for years and years and years before you start being a locomotive any run trade is that true but you can't really today be a super professional a super expert if you're confined to only one country and only one discipline knowledge is multi-disciplinary now the best professionals the best experts the next people that will win nobel prizes probably are multidisciplinary probably have

lived and worked in several countries and are adjusting to the global economy and that's what really being a super professional is all about you the c.e.o. of the institute of international education tell me do you think new technologies can allow people to get an international education be educated in foreign universities without leaving their home i mean can i see technology replace actually going to lecture is seminars mixing with kids and living in canberra since i want you know i think you have to have that initial experience you you have to know how you react to different food different people a different place and in then you can use i t. and distance learning to continue the relationship to widen the relationship but but if you personally don't know how you're going to react in another situation you can't learn that just on camera says al goodman president and see. obviously chewed

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would be soon which brightened if you mean moon about the sun from plans to crash in the sun. starts on t.v. dot com. welcome back to spotlight i'm now going to have and today our guest is alan goodman who is the c.e.o. of institute of international education. can you tell us which countries today are the most popular destinations for for its national scholars well we think of you are really the big five for the united states the united kingdom france germany and for the fifth country you. can take

a pic now it could be australia it could be candidate it could be china but those countries that i mentioned the g five the g eight account for about eighty percent eighty percent of all move you know move right. all of their countries outside the west and weren't well except china which is pretty exotic bad bad but is part of that that's our competitive well education wise you bet and in a sense every country is competitive because it's the experience of being in another place that can make you a different professional but there are about two thousand americans here in russia there are about two thousand americans studying in egypt those are considered high risk you can see i mean there's some higher education those are exotic destinations they're just as meaningful as going to something like china because what you're doing is understanding a great nation an old civilization and how you relate to that well europe has

already introduced a standard of education called the balon your system the russians are talking a lot about introducing it here in this country and we've already made steps well not everybody likes the many people disagree but still we are moving in the direction do you think there should be a global standard of education should be standardized i think the transfer of credits of the movement of students and scholars across borders ought to be liberalized standardized something that institutions and governments commit to sharing. we have america poorly understand the belong your process we poorly understand the nature of the degrees and it begins with the fact that your high schools are longer than our high schools so it will take some time for us to be comfortable with the degree from europe but the fact that you're trying to standardize your try. to make mobility easier if you're trying to encourage people

from going going to different countries and i think that's something that should be a global standard. recent report by the institute of real national education which you present here found that there were notable increases in the number of u.s. students going to study in a less traditional this nation is what you were talking about there fifteen of the top twenty five destinations were outside western europe and nineteen were countries where english is not a primary language so what makes these countries attractive for our for math for american progress because americans these should be i mean american kids they should be pretty realistic they you may be thinking of of going around i mean this is introducing yourself to foreign cultures but kids think about how to have and to find a good job how to make money so why are they going about maybe the chinese example

or want something else or your first question was about the global economy and the knowledge economy that's taking place outside of great britain that's taking place outside of france that is india that is china that is egypt and so americans are very conscious of the need to understand those places so i think that's why they're going to non more and more to nontraditional destinations and they ought to because that's where the global economic action is. in the most prestigious university rankings that we see and that we can take a look at the russian education looks quite merry ocker and it's very sad for the russians because we we are used to especially the people that were raised in the soviet union as myself we're used to knowing that the russian education system is one of the best in the world what's happening is there's something wrong with the.

and kings' is this something wrong with the standards we were talking about what is the sense of something really wrong with the russian system since you here in russia maybe maybe you can tell us i'd say just wait a minute given the end we've been waiting for twenty years and and it's not being becoming any better well i was just with your ex you had your minister for education and science and he and all the rector's i met with clearing the rector of moscow state mentioned the fact that government is investing now heavily in education that's the beginning. and that hasn't been the case here it isn't the case in many countries that's why they're not on the list but i think in five years russia will be on all what's called the league tables people will see that the twenty nine designated research universities are making major contributions to the world especially in science and that's what's going to put us on the range put our schools on the rankings and your schools on the rankings so so you think it's

underfunding because of the perestroika and russian economy know that it's just the lack of money in there in the universities and this is the reason for the drawbacks we have got money isn't everything but if you ask an american university leader what are the three most important ingredients it's usually money money and money three dollars dollars cents and maybe said maybe somebody chinese you are. and you know. the great universities are built on huge and dominance fund research that fun cutting edge teaching in the production of knowledge other countries are catching up with. your government's investment is going to make a very good start at this this is a very educated culture very smart students we send our kids here to have math in moscow because you're going to actually because your university teaching of math is

so. piri are two r.'s and many can you can you name least a couple of russian universities which you think should be should be among the ranks i. just need innovation project well what do you think this educational center a special place designed for for education and for. getting together really. you're attracting them back as well you're attracting their students back to russia that's also going to create a flow back here but but the mere real model we need to look at is not is not just a one way flow but a continuous circulation just like we talked earlier of continuous education and how do you do that i mean this can continue then you keep your borders open you encourage your students to study abroad you encourage them to come home you encourage them to go out again because knowledge is also global that's what we're learning from the internet and and so the sites where it's produced exist all over

the world and what we should be doing is keeping our doors our minds and our borders open. thank you thank you very much for being with us and the just a reminder that my guest today on the show was alan that he's the president and c.e.o. of the institute of international education and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have your sales spotlight or maybe you have someone in mind he could think crashed into next time then just drop me a line algorithm at. our news and let's keep spotlight and to move it back with more comments on what's going on in and outside of russia and so then stay in our teeth and take a. break. the

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