tv [untitled] September 6, 2011 10:30pm-11:00pm EDT
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guys it's time for a show and tell on right now last time we took a page from our interview with republican presidential candidate buddy roemer he explained that he has kept his campaign contributions and one hundred dollars so that no special interests and or fear with his political message so should americans be limited in how much they can donate to political campaigns it's going to produce a patrice in a sense you to find out what you have to say so when it comes to campaign financing well there's individual money public money political party money hard money soft money matching funds political action committees and t.v. advertising paid and promotions paid for by outside groups corporations and labor unions with their own agenda in fact in two thousand and eight president obama agrees and spends about seven hundred fifty million dollars many analysts are convinced he will raise close to one billion dollars for two thousand and twelve this at a time when real estate values are still down and unemployment remains stubbornly
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high it just looks a little odd in an economy that has been going down that political contributions will they keep going up and make sure wonder if politicians are only serving those that can afford it so do any of our viewers think we need to put limits on how much money americans can donate to elections germy said absolutely all the candidates should follow buddy roemer's example and not accept donations greater than one hundred dollars bill had a good idea he said all contributions should go into a public pool and all lections should then be publicly financed kyl said how they will no go nations we also received some input from miles in new zealand who wanted us to know that in his country the amount of people there now people can donate to a political party or candidate and how much they spend is restricted oh miles i may never have looked that way to you but in this country are you sad similar restrictions. kind of makes you wonder with campaign finance laws decimated since citizens united ruling the office of president is starting to look more and more
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like the all for the highest bidder maybe buddy roemer has the right idea after all . the ways we thank you for your responses and here's our next question for you we just finished an interview on the economic and political turmoil which has rocked the european union to score we want to know. do you think of the european union the european union as we know it will survive in the next couple of years you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and you know as your responses just like me. now over the next week we're going to be seeing a lot of coverage leading up to the tenth anniversary of the nine eleven attacks and we'll mostly see and hear arguments that ten years on we're safer sure we may be involved in a few costly wars overseas and sure our civil liberties may have been eroded but at the end of the day there hasn't been another major attack on our soil so thanks for all of it all tonight we're going to look at exactly the opposite argument we're going to ask it ten years later even after the death of bin laden if we're still
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losing this so-called war on terrorism from our bloated military intelligence budgets are exploding debts are motional reactions and over reactions our guest one argues that perhaps the biggest mistake our country made in the wake of nine eleven was not knowing our enemy not understanding the strategy of al qaeda to morally and financially. joining me from our studio in new york to discuss it as ross author of bin laden's legacy why we're still losing the war on terror i did i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i guess for starters let's just start with the really simple question as is part of the title on your book why are we still losing the war on terror. i think the way we have to understand security is to see security as our capabilities to defend ourselves and our resilience in a piece of an attack versus the enemy's capacity to attack us i think if we look at it that way i look at where the united states is ten years after the nine eleven attacks it's a significantly degraded country now obviously not all of that is due to the fight
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against terrorism you have a number of things that are unrelated to their problems like the subprime mortgage crisis the explosion in health care costs as well as the research the area of resource scarcity they were entering into but despite that we had the costs that we've spent on our fight against terrorism have been enormous and in many ways it's exactly. basically placed us in harm's way with respect to al qaeda strategy by giving them a gloated system that they could attack now the thing is about al qaeda strategy here if we want to talk about like i mentioned leading the country dry when it comes through nearly bankrupt. morally doing the same thing if you look at guantanamo bay and some of the remnants of what's happened in the war on terror of the last ten years it's not like that was secret these are things that we heard bin laden say on on videotape i just don't understand how is it that the government this prat. i think in many ways because trapped by the term terrorism i mean i
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thought that our understanding of the enemy was rather poor coming into the writing of this book but i was actually surprised that in my view it was indeed much much worse than i expected looking through key documents the national military strategic plan for the war on terror the white house's national strategy for combating terrorism the nine eleven commission report very basic analyses that one should do when confronted get a good read because military resources simply weren't performed for al qaeda we differ had it ends ways and means assessment of this enemy that is what ends is al qaeda pursuing and what are the ways in which it ways and means by which they want to achieve those goals there was a focus on their goal of establishing a caliphate and their tactic of terrorism but there was this resolved disconnect between that goal and their tactics if you look at bin laden's both biography and also his public statements it's very clear that he had the economy and i had even before the nine eleven attacks i have to say that in terms of our overall strategic
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assessment i think that that was an area where we've had a clear failure for the past decade now of course we have to remember that there was a financial crash and you mention the subprime mortgage crisis and we that wasn't because of al qaeda but this has contributed to our debt trillions of dollars in fact of spending now there has been on our record because of these wars that we waged but you know i also wonder. you bring up the fight between of muhammad ali and george foreman in one nine hundred seventy four as a way to look at the way that we've been fighting against al qaida or against terrorism globally we explain that a little bit more of the less. the reason i go with this is because there's actually an academic article in the journal international security published just a few months before nine eleven it was called how the week when wars and the analogy is used for how a small non-state actor like all. could defeat or undermine
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a power like the united states is precisely like that this was a fate in one hundred seventy four when george foreman was the strongest most powerful boxer of his generation he was heavily favored against muhammad ali and what ali ended up doing in that fight is cowardly against the ropes and sometimes he even whisper a horse time it's towards george foreman saying george you ain't hit a nerve george you disappoint me foreman bit is unleashed a furious flurry of blows against muhammad ali and to the crowd that was watching and to form an unselfish almost certainly seen that foreman was winning the fight because he punched in the punch and he punch what they didn't realize is that the elastic ropes were actually absorbing the majority of the blows and so foreman succeeded in tiring himself up and then in the eighth round muhammad ali knocked him out what this article in international security argues is that this is how do we win wars that you turn the stronger opponents strength against it so that the harder it hits the more ramped up it becomes the more it simply exhaust its own
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resources and while it is certainly hasn't fully replicated mohammed on the successful strategy it's actually a very good analogy for what has happened over the course of the past ten years which is one reason incidentally why i have such a problem with some of the current talk about al-qaeda being on the ropes because one could argue based on that analogy that they've actually been on the ropes for quite some time and they don't necessarily mind being there. well yeah that is you know something that we've heard actually repeated numerous times by countless officials including leon panetta including general petraeus too they said that at one point there were only about one hundred al qaeda left and all of afghanistan now i think the most recent statement coming from leon panetta was that there are maybe two dozen al qaeda members left tops that do you think that there is part of you know there are other networks out there who go to somalia look at all as al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is al qaeda more a mentality more of you know a certain strategy rather than just counting how many figures there are. i think
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the group actually matters a great deal and part of that deals with kind of how this has been framed has been is framed as a strategic challenge the united states and if you're dealing with a number of individuals who have a radical idiology then that's a problem you have to deal with you still have to deal with that that threat of terrorism but overall i think that it's it's the organization and the ability to have safe space where you can plan attacks we can communicate that really matters a agree with you know us of the nine eleven commission report which is that for carry out a catastrophic strike like that eleven attacks having a safe haven like al qaeda had afghanistan prior to nine eleven is really quite critical del you mentioned somalia and you just looking at the world and the geography of where this militant group is ten years ago it had one safe haven in afghanistan today they have a safe haven in southern somalia they have a safe haven in parts of yemen parts of pakistan also in northern mali so to me when you look at just the basic facts of where the network is not necessarily just
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the central leadership which i do believe at least for the moment is in a degraded state but when you look at where the affiliates are and groups that are threatening united states or pledge their allegiance to al qaeda they're in more places now than they were a decade ago which in part indicates that we can't be you so quick to declare that victory is just around the corner. now if we go back to this emotional aspect to you said that interviewing a lot of these documents you realize how utterly unprepared we were how there wasn't a strategy here but this is something that we've seen a lot and i wonder if you think that it's something that's getting worse if we talk about as well as the conflict in libya that we got ourselves involved in where or excuse me if the president got involved unilaterally there was no real end game there no strategy was a humanitarian intervention now of course we know that it's very obvious that they wanted to get off the out but so is that a problem that still plagues us does this mean that we're going to lose the fight
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like george foreman did. i don't know if will lose and certainly i hope not and i am very invested in the united states i believe in the country and you part of what i do professionally is try to advance u.s. interests but. you know i agree about libya both that it was rather premature decision and also i have come to a broader strategic problem with that intervention which is that it's it was in a part of the world to a neighborhood of the world if you will in which we had a lot of very strong strategic interests we have strong strategic interests in yemen in pakistan and afghanistan and iraq somalia i mean these are there are difficult and the cell these are difficult places to deal with libya was a place where the the u.s. had almost no strategic interest at the time that it started bombing i agree actually with many of the advocates of the libya intervention that there could have been a very real humanitarian crisis on our hands of libya but i also don't think it's the us israel or the role of certain other countries either to solve every
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human nature and crisis that could be out there indeed if you try to do so you end up expending so many resources that you wonder by your own ability to act in the future so i think that libya was an example of humanitarian intervention in which u.s. national interest didn't play the kind of role in the conversation that i would have liked obviously the story isn't fully told why hope for the best there if things end up going south if the t.n.c. ands up not being what a lot of people in the u.s. thought they would be if there's a strong insurgency on the ground all of these could make this libya intervention which is very celebrated right now look much worse say six months a year or two years from now and let me again say i hope that's not the case but i do have concerns based on our past experience that we paid insufficient attention to the law of unintended consequences that there are not a lot of questions that need to be asked there to get i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight. my pleasure. i thought of you wanted as an inmate in
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prison for a one state says he up to pay up for it but i'm more of that natural hindsight man that happy hour a judge orders a man to pay his wife for lack of sex lots of ron paul is a dead president and a former vice president go after rick perry stick around for the epic campaign of just an. internet only or military mechanisms if you don't work to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so full of sleep you think you understand it and then you
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glimpse something else here see some other part of it and realize that everything is just you don't understand hard look at the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think the. one well. we have the government says they're for keeping safe get ready because you're going to their freedom.
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country to charge people to visit inmates the twenty five dollars it's called at background check see. my own is now charging anybody who visits a prisoner at one of the state's fifteen run complexes a twenty five dollar background check the court of new york times the one time fee is believed to be the first of its kind of nation oh arizona a state of uniformly bad now as you can imagine this move people upset to lawsuits have been filed by prison advocacy groups after complaints from inmates families and critics of this bs say that it's going to have a negative impact on the inmates. critics say it's a bad idea because it discourages people from visiting family members while they're locked up and having strong community ties is one of the best way to make sure people don't react and when they get out. so i don't know do you think arizona law makers actually put any real thoughts because bill not only is there a twenty five dollars fee but the state is now charging a one percent fee on deposits made to
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a prisoner's pending account and times must be really hard arizona lawmakers go after the spending accounts of prisoners now the new york times asked the chief of staff of the arizona senate wendy baldo about this species have the money really wasn't going for background checks instead it would be used for maintenance projects of prisons since the status quo the budget for the corrections department so this fee is really a tax so it is through a hot topic in arizona they do have a pretty strong anti-tax movement there so are residents upset are they sympathetic to the inmates and their families well not really the state is doing what it needs to do with the help of cost you know the person who's sitting behind bars not the street and i want to read an e-mail that someone sent in glenda hargrove of valley she says i do believe a prisoner should not have visitors but if they do allow the visitors then they should charge heavy fines the state has paid to have the person arrested in court fees and then the incarceration they are being punished do we forget that they gave
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up their rights when a committed the crime i'm tired of paying paying paying with no increase in store security and people losing their jobs and homes when is the free stuff going to stop. a little harsh on oh here's some info for arizona residents the reason they are prison system costs so much is the state currently requires all prisoners to serve at least eighty five percent of their sentences why not parole some of the forty thousand prisoners in your state senator let the nonviolent people out early i bet that that would save your state quite a bit of money but instead your lawmakers would rather come up with taxes i mean fees to charge people who are visiting family members or friends that are in jail and lawmakers say this is an easy fix because this fee would target an unpopular group clearly but really it's an unconstitutional special tax on a certain group and that's why it's being challenged in court so we're taking advantage of their prison population and a cheap money making scheme we're giving to arizona lawmakers who voted for this measure and it's full time work.
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ok time for happy hour and joining me tonight is our chief producer jenny churchill and that is a nonny heard on the hill reporter for roll call thanks for joining me ladies thank you so it's i guess some people are saying that now that it's past labor day now that summer's over the real campaign season has begun what you could have fooled me because i've literally heard nothing else on t.v. lately except for a campaign stop for anyway now the real campaign season has begun let's take a look at the latest ad coming from ron paul. instantly schmoo calls to the street and election. it was wrong for the job while your young texan named ron paul was one of the only include women to endorse ronald reagan's campaign for president america mr somebody you trust no texas truly.
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still with great care. ron paul is really coming up with a maverick ad lately and we played some other ones on this show but i may actually kind of look at strategy right because the one thing that we always hear from every republican candidate is them harping back to ron paul as the godfather and yet i mean it's maybe. oh my old screwed up but the thing is paul was one of only four congressmen to endorse ronald reagan when he first ran for a little brother in your face style in two thousand and seven right didn't come didn't come out and say something about ronald reagan being a failure yet even you know not this like poor paragraph document but the important thing here is there's we don't deal with that whatever but there's two more things here one is that ron paul is actually running for president he has a smear campaign which he didn't do last time and the other is people are actually taking him seriously perry came out with this. big long statement about ron paul
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came out against reagan and people are starting to take notice i think the more interesting thing is is what this is going to do to kerry's campaign like what the allegations are thank you if anything i don't know what you really i think that kind of you know that's been out there for a while i feel like you know a lot of people have tried to throw that at perry before for supporting al gore like even before he announced it i was immediately was one of the talking points as to what might be a problem during his campaigning but it isn't black and white and sets a slow dramatically. by the way if you just close your eyes it's the most spectacular it's like it's like a movie preview i'm sure that there are a lot of ron paul supporters that you know play before they go to bed at night and when they do come don't whine again it was in the context of a sudden says time so the one i love of. god was story of it just this one just cracks me up and apparently cracks up the rest of the world's existing and so many new sites a frenchman has been ordered to pay out about fourteen thousand dollars to his
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ex-wife who's divorcing him for a lack of sex over twenty one years of marriage now what happened here is that they have an article in france a civil code that states that marries married couples must agree to a shared communal life and so what the judge did is interpret that as saying that sex is part of that shared communal life because if you're married then you automatically you undoubtedly are having sex i feel like i've always heard the exact thing about marriage i don't know if you have not married yet but is that once you get married once you get married you stop having any thoughts i think the twenty one years. to go twenty one years which made me think how come they didn't say anything about him did he cheat that they had that sort of it's not really i you know you know we say ok if you're going to sue for your partner not having sex if you don't wait twenty one years discredits you a little bit also could she make him look and feel any worse. like i was leaving you know what i'm suing you. you wouldn't i'm sure you agree with me he blames it
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on health problems and tiredness and as i read what i hear is and they are saying spare me coke and headaches i guess but the wife always the one that's responsible for the headaches that came over really i don't know it's pretty hilarious i feel like only in france but i also believe maybe she deserved it when the money to go do you think oh they know the money that only. that i think you've got to work that out on your own i'm not really sure what the courts to decide because i never did know how they figured out how much was it that she had to go elsewhere for sex and that was the cause either she was pulled over for somebody i know here i know you know we're just scratching the surface as for yeah she was overheating story ok alison what is the thing where apparently this is really affecting quite a few people that there are no more space shows right now the fall two thousand and eleven season is the first time that there has been no t.v. show on any network featuring people on spaceships since it probably made in one
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nine hundred eighty s. now there are a couple animated shows out there but no live action and this is a really huge deal and some people are saying that you know this is this is the end of nasa this means the end for space exploration but it's really because we're just obsessed with new crap like this. you have strict rules of the since he. was there. i just have to wonder you know for a while there there was just so much hope for humanity for the future of the space exploration who know it was a reaching the final frontier and now it's like forget it you know we're done and there's no hope for this race so now we just show the biggest degenerates that we have on t.v. fighting each other and trying to sort of present things i don't know if you know going to the planet. oh humanity just. you know i mean i think i found
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a solution and this is a way to keep nasa in business to get space shows back on television we have to do reality space and send all of those people just. like people in america i would doubt that's going commercial you know the face travel i bet you could probably get a bird i'm sorry i spend send a reality star jersey shore season fourteen jersey shore in the middle. it's a very large floating. slowly i mean i know and i'm grabbing. rezone for some reason i just kind of creeps me out a little bit. but i just really does you have you know like locked up you have all the c.s. guys and the cop dramas you have things that are just complete fantasy the vampire shows. you have game of thrones you want to go back to these fantasy dark ages i don't see how to be fair there are reality based shows like ancient and switch you
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know kind of looks at whether or not aliens came here in the past and that's what we think are gods anyways this was a great great reviews and great ratings and i actually won one night they even beat celebrity rehab i think i might have to check that one out are you guys thanks for joining me tonight i think that night's show thanks for tuning in to make sure we come back tomorrow on the past we've talked to people trying to make christianity hit her sexy some are going to dr paul kaufman author of no more christian nice guy he's part of a movement that's working to make over jesus and the ultimate macho man now to be time to forgive me for the fan of you live show on facebook and of followers on twitter if you missed any of the night show or any other night you know he's passionate like you can clash the large hill and coming up next he's the.
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