today we're joined by mr thomas have a birth european commissioner for human rights talking to us from a star wars thanks very much mr however for joining us now let's get right to well we know that there were cia prisons in europe and people were tortured and then now you're pushing for the truth what more should be know there is a lot more to know in fact because we haven't had a full account for what really happened and who took the decisions and on what grounds when these black sites were established on european soil of the things that we still have to know what do you think is most important i think we have to learn from history and unfortunately during this period of ten years very serious human rights violations for committed and we have an atmosphere of impunity when it comes to these violations of human rights i think the truce has to come out

on board really happened who took the decisions who allowed the establishment of these secret places of detention and thereby allowing torture to take place now this is a story came to light i mean there have been some governments ordering investigations will they found very little so far do you think it's possible that they're deliberately trying to play it down and if so is there any proof of them doing so well there is an enormous pressure from washington to keep all this secret in fact instructions from from cia with the support of the way towards not to give any facts on this so therefore it's not easy to investigate but i think that some of the european governments have been involved they have to decide whether they think that the corporation between the security agencies are more important than to look into human rights violations and break the fear of impunity ok well we're talking here about european officials authorizing these rendition sites but what about

those who. actually masterminded and those who were directly involved do you think say officials will ever be held accountable for their actions unfortunately it's not likely but if the european governments involved could take this step to really put out everything they know and publish that it may start a process in united states where the accountability also there is established but why is it not likely you say this if it's not likely because this is there is an atmosphere of security confidentiality around this. notion that when it comes to the activities over security agency the truth shall not be told to the public and i think that this is a real problem because here we have had cooperation between the united states security agency and european agencies under which human rights violations were seriously seriously violated and it is very important that we know when we

know that the violations were made that we establish that there should be democratic control of the security agencies activities well there are claims that the u.s. and the u.k. sent prisoners to be tortured in libya to the gadhafi regime does that seem likely to you yes it's very likely and it fits a pattern and also they are now documents being discovered in tripoli which show that this actually did happen ok and you've seen a proof of such things happening yourself no not myself but there have been reports last week from human rights watch showing that there was such a vivid does and typically this is not made subject for comment from the cia in washington because they have the policy of never making any public comments on such revelations that the commander of the rebel forces that's. in shipley he demanded

an apology from western powers over here. is a legend in two thousand and four and i logically he was arrested in bangkok and had to gadhafi forces for torture now how do you think they're going to explain their alleged a murky deals with gadhafi to the rebels because now they're essentially on the same side. i think that question has to be given to to washington there is an explanation to be given there but he was obviously one of those who were picked up during this so-called war on terror he was in tandem or that's shown and he was obviously one of those who are badly treated and i think he and others this is an apology some of them who were brought there to count on him or or to the secret places of detention or to partner countries of the united states in this where they were tortured they were not probably not innocent but still even people who are on good ground suspected they have the right to certain protection when it comes to

human rights including not to be tortured now the rebels are now in control and foreigners are reportedly in danger especially black africans because while there have been accusations of them being gadhafi is mercenaries how do you think this will affect the building of a democratic society in libya you know i'm not an expert on only my focus is on europe but obviously there is a problem there and human rights organizations have already reported about problems when it comes to how rebels have dealt with africans who have been accused to being most news for folks we could just do best in order to ensure that those people are well treated some of them of course may well be genuine refugees from other parts of africa who were trying to reach europe past violet gun got stuck there and i think it's very important that also european governments deal with refugees from libya coming from other parts of africa in line with the international standards

when it comes to side. refugee policies well looking at the humanitarian crisis now in libya that has been reported what do you think is the area that needs the most attention at the moment and how are they going to going to go about solving these humanitarian problems i mean this is very general can we break them down here first of all it is important to establish security in the country so that the normal life could start again seconded to build democracy because there was no democracy there which is a very difficult challenge and i hope that there could be a generous approach from from europe to share the experiences we have when it comes to the steps to be taken in order to build institutions democratic ones and to allow for. genuine willow people to be channeled into political decision making ok well going back to what you're an expert on those black sites what do you think is the next step now that the story has come out into the public in poland they have already started through the prosecutor and investigation and i think it's very

important that his work is protected and that there is no attempt to slow down his work because he's sensitive when nations sleep with the united states in in romania their work hasn't really started there was one investigation by a political group from the senate but the prosecutor has not started an investigation and i really hope that the office will now take the initiative and start and are rushing the situation and come up with a report now you're saying it's important that the investigation is not blocking earlier you were expressing your concerns that there could be directives from higher up to to not give enough information how do you go about going about that hurdle knowing you're dealing with governments here is very difficult because of this notion that activities by the security agencies and their cooperation between themselves so be kept secret at all cost i think that is really the notion that way

. we have now to start discussing because so many human rights violations have been committed under that notion and the time has come to establish a democratic control of the security agencies they should not be allowed to take action which violate basic human rights yes should not be but do you think that just let's just look at concrete actions we're talking about what is right what is wrong from your point of view but concrete actions i'm just wondering really legally speaking will it be possible to get all of the truth out i think it will be very difficult unfortunately but i hope that the discussion that may come now with encourage some of the politicians to take brave steps and a better position when it comes to this because it's not acceptable that we have states within the states who are run on undemocratic basis and violating human rights the security agencies must be put under democratic control and they are not for the moment in my opinion well you said you're using the tenth anniversary of

nine eleven to raise the issue of cia black sites so why is that because. you know. i think that the first priority of course is to pay respect to the victims of the attack on the united states ten years ago but then we also have at the same time to look at how did the u.s. government and european governments respond to this attack and unfortunately i think there is a lot of lessons to be learned from how this war on terror so-called war on terror was conducted which allowed for very serious human rights violations which unfortunately also had the effect that terrorism has spread the militant groups have increased and the number of people killed and many of them innocent doing those ten years they also deserve some respect in this situation and therefore i think it's absolutely important that. the way we handled this gruesome

attack will be under an honest discussion so that we don't repeat this in the future and speaking of the militant groups you just released a report based on your visit to russia's north caucuses which is of course a region that marred by sporadic violence by terrorists how do you assess the struggle against the terrorists over there the struggle is still going on there have been some positive initiatives taken a lot of money has been put on budgets in order to improve the standard of living in the area. there is a focus more on the social dimension of this the roots for terrorism which i think is very positive but unfortunately there is still also a problem of impunity that the crimes which have been committed including by law enforcement forces have not been satisfactory addressed and people guilty

responsible have not been brought to justice so there is still a need to do more when it comes to that aspect all right well thank you very much effort your time mr thomas howard berg human rights commissioner of the council of europe thank you. thank you. if the. police. say.

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parish and a nation after wednesday's plane crash near the city of. forty three including the members of ice hockey team. players from many countries were on board

on their way to first match of the season. twenty years behind bars a russian pilot arrested in the u.s. sting operation in liberia. to smuggle drugs. previously accused of conducting an illegal arrest and. the british government under fire for stopping an inquest into the death of david kelly. the official cause of death of suicide again being questioned by. more news coming your way in less than a quarter hour. hello there thanks for watching the sports at least the headlines. tributes pour in from

around the world following the locomotive disaster which killed thirty seven ice hockey stars. but i'm also will appeal against drug yvel it's in the six game ban for a challenge on t. a scar keep an eagle i can see here. and it's a washout at the u.s. open is rain holds play for a second day at flushing meadows. but first the start of the new k h l season has been perspiring and indefinitely following the tragic crash which killed practically the whole of the locomotive ice hockey team thirty seven players are among the forty three people who died when the plane came down just after takeoff only one place survived the russian alexander gallimore but he's in a serious condition with ninety percent burns this morning chief decided to cancel all games until further notice locomotives were heading to mince the play their season opener when their plane came down just outside paris level shortly after

takeoff yesterday the russian built yank forty two crashing into the river volga two hundred fifty kilometers north east of moscow those that died included russia even took a chunk out and twenty year old you are you the chair of czech stars joseph first a check and yan matic and were also among the dead along with swedish goalie stefan leave and slovakia's puzzled me yesterday's game between sound of a live in atlanta was abandoned midway through when the news came through fans and players stunned by what had happened i saw the stars from the k h l and america's n.h.l. have been leading the tributes. now you say they will appeal against a six game ban handed to their star striker velux and he was given a punishment after this tackle on. i can feel you have you suffered need ligament damage and will be out for six months that means i can fear i will miss the rest of the domestic season as well as his country twenty twelve qualifying campaign he

says the task was not malicious and believes he has been harshly treated by the russian football union two years ago balloting was involved in a similar clash with that in a couple of you suffered a broken nose. now let's turn to the usa brain has affected play for a second quarter final between serena williams and this is the public chunk of a failed to get started while defending champion rafael nadal was trying by three games in the first set of his pool from match against luck to. one play was also stopped instructors course a dandy mary who's up against the local surprise package donald young an american favorite andy roddick faces dave dalam mary believing it was wrong to ask place the plight. of the specially you know. will feel protected the players we're nothing but that for the

you know. this is a lot of money. we are part of the show. just working for the. still they call us on court so that's that's. the core for forty five minutes but the rain really never stops so because there are four minutes with no after that we have to go down the corridor and they still put as i'm called for the father mr underfund but you know. her. players in this part of the show do and we don't feel protected everyone's pretty relaxed about it no it's just what we want to the core it was still raining in the back of the core was the bowls or really what. everyone i spoke mentioned. to be on par and they were just. fine but it

doesn't really make sense to be just trying to get there for like seven or eight minutes and then having to come back inside so i think that's kind of why everyone was a little bit disappointed and i don't think. the modern pentathlon world championships get under way in moscow today and among the athletes preparing for the tournament is alexander listen here we join the russian think three is constant thing but top of with more. russia has always been a powerhouse in the man's more than pentathlon three gold medals from the last three olympics is the best evidence of the team's dominance and because of the depth of the nation's stale and the russians could field several teams in their own right and it will be a tough challenge for the coaches to choose the two athletes that will compete at the london olympics in twenty twelve. or she said good morning to you and you know we're good we managed to save the training camps for pentathlon after the soviet union collapsed and we've invested one and

a half million dollars in developing this campus and now it's one of the best in the world so we've also got a powerful squad the problem is that only two of our athletes can compete in the lympics so we have very tight competition in the national team. and three years ago the russian team also acquired an unexpected reinforcement nowadays it's quite common for athletes to change their citizenship in order to get into but unity to take part in big competitions but alexandr listen story is something completely different the twenty three year old was born in belarus and got into sport by learning to swim when he was six but at the age of twenty one his life took a sudden change borderless that's the word assist a lot of people in the bellerose team coaches a lot with my thought were coaching the national coach wanted to get rid of me so inane as a fake diagnosis it was disease and told me i was unsuitable for professional sport but there was a whole thing to him and i was the third i quit sports and got

a job however luckily russia's coach aleksey how plan of invited me to their training camp in one and made several examinations that proved that i am fully fit to compete so i stayed here in russia fortunately listen got back into the sport less than a year after he had quit and since then he has won the russian championship twice was a runner up at the world championship last year and tops the world rankings this season and the belorussians. he leads a very strong team that includes two world champions for elephants a geek i came and double olympic champion me see if it is they will wait and see live that is what i worried so much when i got back to training alex a two time olympic champion i've seen my save and wondered how can i become such a legendary athlete the levels seem to be unreachable for me but i saw the train with the team and the guys showed me how health a battle is hard to train every fencing touch every second game in swimming and running every faultless right every accurate shot can make the difference between

those athletes battling for a place at the olympic games out of the blue a bill russian has added more competition to the russian team while russia have gained and their fleet who looks set to dominate in the near future and could be a strong contender for them at the olympic games in london in twenty two well his name but up a party and not brings us to the end of the sport from i'm with the last few in a couple of last time. the worldwide manhunt for him lasted for fifteen year it's. a one million euro war

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a sports team perishes and a country mourns while the tragedy of the air disaster striking one of russia's top ice hockey teams is felt around the world. twenty years behind bars a russian pilot arrested in a u.s. sting operation in liberia sentence for conspiring to smuggle drugs moscow says his arrest and rendition were illegal. the british government under fire for halting an inquest into the death of weapons expert david kelly who insisted iraq never had weapons of mass destruction cause of death and suicide again being questioned by. eleven am in moscow good to have you with us here on r t our top story it's been described as ice hockey is darkest day and the worst disaster.