who insisted iraq never had weapons of mass destruction the official cause of death of suicide and again being questioned by dr james turner our attention to libya now with more insight into what's going on there the interview coming up. well today we're joined by mr thomas have a birth european commissioner for human rights talking to us from a star wars thanks very much mr howard for joining us now let's get right to where well we know that there were cia prisons in europe and people were tortured and now you're pushing for the truth what more should we know there is a lot more to know in fact because we haven't had a full account for what really happened and who took the decisions and on what grounds when these black sites were established on european soil of the things that we still have to know what do you think is most important i think we have to learn from history and unfortunately during this period of ten years there

are serious human rights violations for committed and we have an atmosphere impunity when it comes to these violations of human rights i think the truce has to come out on board really happened who took the decisions who allowed the establishment of these secret places of detention and thereby allowing torture to take place now this is the story came to light i mean there have been some governments ordering investigations will they found very little so far do you think it's possible that they're deliberately trying to play it down and if so is there any proof of them doing so well there is an enormous pressure from washington to keep all this secret in fact instructions from from cia with the support of the way towse not to give any facts on this so therefore it's not easy to investigate but i think that some of the european governments have been involved they have to decide whether they think that the cooperation between the security agencies are

more important than to. look into human rights violations and break the fear of impunity ok well we're talking here about european officials authorizing these rendition sites but what about those who. actually masterminded and those who were directly involved do you think say officials will ever be held accountable for their actions unfortunately it's not likely but if the european governments involved could take this step to really put out everything they know and publish that it may start a process in united states where the accountability also there is established but why is it not likely you say this if it's not likely because this is there is an atmosphere of security confidentiality around this. notion that when it comes to the activities over security agency the truth should not be told to the public and i think that is a real problem because here we have had cooperation between the united states

security agency and european agencies under which human rights violations were seriously seriously violated and it is very important that we know when we know the violations were made that we establish that there should be democratic control of the security agencies activities well there are claims that the u.s. and the u.k. sent prisoners to be tortured in libya to the gadhafi regime does that seem likely to you yes it's very likely and it fits a pattern and also there are now documents being discovered in tripoli which show that this actually did happen ok and you've seen a proof of such things happening yourself no not myself but there have been reports last week from human rights watch showing that there was such activities and typically this is not made subject for comment from the cia in washington

because they have the policy of never make and the public comments on such revelations that the commander of the rebel forces that's. simply he demanded an apology from western powers over here. is a legend in two thousand and four and i legibly he was arrested in bangkok and headed to gadhafi forces for torture now how do you think they're going to explain their alleged a murky deals with gadhafi to the rebels because now they're essentially on the same side. i think that question has to be given to to washington there is an explanation to be given there but he was obviously one of those who were picked up during this so-called war on terror he was in tandem or that's shown and he was obviously one of those who are badly treated and i think he and others. an apology some of them who were brought there to grant on a more or to the secret places of detention or to partner countries of the

united states in this where they were tortured they were not probably not innocent but still even people who are on good ground suspected they have the right to certain protection when it comes to human rights including not to be tortured now the rebels are now in control and foreigners are reportedly in danger especially black africans because while there have been accusations of them being that off these mercenaries how do you think this will affect the building of a democratic society in libya i'm not an expert on only my focus is on europe but obviously there is a problem there and human rights organizations have already reported about problems when it comes to how rebels have dealt with africans who have been accused to being most news for folks we could just do best in order to ensure that those people well treated some of them of course may well be genuine refugees from other parts of africa who were trying to reach europe past via libya and got stuck there and i

think it's very important that also european governments deal with refugees from libya coming from other parts of africa in line with the international standards when it comes to side. refugee policies well looking at the humanitarian crisis now in libya that has been reported what do you think is the area that needs the most attention at the moment and how are they going to going to go about solving these humanitarian problems i mean this is very general can we break them down you're first of all it is important to establish security in the country so that the normal life could start again secondly to build democracy because there was no democracy there which is very difficult challenge and i hope that there could be a generous approach from from europe to share the experiences we have when it comes to the steps to be taken in order to build institutions democratic ones and to allow for. genuine willow people to be channeled into political decision making

ok well going back to what you're an expert on those black sites what do you think is the next step now that the story has come out into the public in poland they have already started through the prosecutor and investigation and i think it's very important that his work is protected and that there is no attempt to slow down his work because he is sensitive when nations sleep with the united states in in romania their work hasn't really started there was one investigation by a political group from the senate but the prosecutor has not started an investigation and i really hope that the office will now take the initiative and start and rushing the situation and come up with a report now you're saying it's important that the the investigation is not block it earlier you were expressing your concerns that there could be directives from higher up to to not give enough information how do you go about going about that hurdle know when you're dealing with governments here is very difficult because of

this notion that activities by the security agencies and their cooperation between themselves should be kept secret at all cost i think that is really the notion that we. we have now to start discussing because so many human rights violations have been committed under that notion and the time has come to establish a democratic control of the security agencies they should not be allowed to take action which violate basic human rights yes should not be but do you think that just let's just look at concrete actions we're talking about what is right what is wrong from your point of view but concrete actions i'm just wondering really legally speaking will it be possible to get all of the truth out i think it will be very difficult unfortunately but i hope that the discussion that may come now with encourage some of the politicians to take brave steps and a better position when it comes to this because it's not acceptable that we have

states within the states who are run on undemocratic basis and violating human rights the security agencies must be put under democratic control and they are not for the moment in my opinion well you said you're using the tenth anniversary of nine eleven to raise the issue of cia black sites why is that because. you know. i think that the first priority of course is to pay respect to the victims of the attack on the united states ten years ago but then we also have a to same time to look at how did the u.s. government and european government respond to this attack and unfortunately i think there is a lot of lessons to be learned from how this war on terror so-called war on terror was conducted which allowed for very serious human rights violations which unfortunately also had the effect that terrorism has spread the militant groups have increased. the number of people killed and many of them

innocent doing those ten years they also deserve some respect in this situation and therefore i think it's absolutely important that. the way we handled this gruesome attack will be an honest discussion so that we don't repeat this in the future and speaking of the militant groups you just released a report based on your visit to russia's north caucuses which is of course a region that marred by sporadic violence by terrorists how do you assess the struggle against the terrorists over there the struggle is still going on there have been some positive initiatives taken a lot of money has been put on budgets in order to improve the standard of living in the area. there is a focus more on the social dimension of this the roots for terrorism which i think

is very positive but unfortunately there is still also a problem of impunity that the crimes which have been committed including by law enforcement forces have not been satisfactorily addressed and people guilty responsible have not been brought to justice so there is still a need to do more when it comes to that aspect all right well thank you very much effort your time mr thomas howard berg human rights commissioner of the council of europe thank you. thank you. your is when you look for nuclear winter against. blondie's measured in barrels. when your brain is most.

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also touched other nations as players from many countries were on board on their way to build a roof for the first match of the season. we need to medvedev says his condolences to everyone connected to the ice hockey team that his keynote speech at the global policy forum in the russian president also visited the disaster site where he called for a drastic overhaul of the country's aviation industry. twenty years behind bars are russia the party that arrested him a u.s. sting operation in liberia assumptions for conspiring to smuggle drugs something here to chicago has insisted he wasn't guilty previously accuse the u.s. of conducting any illegal arrest and rendition. and the british government is under fire for stopping an inquest into the death of weapons expert david kelly with sr the rocket never had weapons of mass destruction the official cause of death is suicide it is again a being questioned by doctors. with

a full news bulletin in about fifteen minutes side but for now it's the latest in sports with andrew. hello there you're watching the sport and these other headlines. cheese foundry build a locomotive. decimated by plane crash which killed thirty seven of it. plus spot on moscow will appeal against riker ballots in six game ban for challenge on. eagle back in fear. and it's a washout in the u.s. open is rain holds play for second day flushing meadows. but first ice hockey chiefs say they will do all they can to help rebuild russian side documents if you are savile which was decimated by yesterday's tragic plane crash thirty seven of its players were among forty three people that died k h l

boss alexander medvedev has now asked each team in the league to volunteer up to three plays to help create a new locomotive side and believes attain can be formed in time to take part for the new season lokomotiv were heading to minsk to play their first game when their plane came down just outside paris travel shortly after takeoff yesterday those that died included russia play even take a chunk check stars just the first object and john mattick and cuddle to nick and swedish goalie stefan live as well as for bakkies pavel demitra the start of the new season has been perspire own don't all september the twelfth or yesterday's game between salad you live an affluent was abandoned midway three when you skate three bands in place done by what happened while i was talking stars in the k h l and america's n.h.l. have been leading the tributes. through. the markets will come to you my friends going to. wait to be years ago or

close room just just want to give my condolences to the families and i mean the sweet stuff for everybody. to offer a service. on some. hard times and hard to want to stop hamas and our you know all these guys who are. fighting against you know you find work from a certain point. trucks everybody so your big family everyone knows each other and someone. you know in this league or one worldwide. whether they're hockey players or not it's a huge tragedy and so awful she said. and said thank france grant townspeople national. and while the russian football union says all matches in the country this weekend will start with a minute's silence in memory of those who died another football you spot

a moscow say they will appeal against a six game ban handed to their star striker valid he was given a punishment after this tackle on to scar go back in fear from stuff that need legal and damage and will be out for six months that means acting fearful missed the rest of the domestic season as well as his country here a twenty twelve qualifying campaign bulletin says the tackle was not malicious and believes he's been harshly treated by the russian football union two years ago verisign was involved in a similar clash with the nomic eve of the to make a fool of yourself with a broken nose. now let's turn to the u.s. open where rain has affected play for a second day dad a woman's quarterfinal between serina williams an anxious to see a public chunk of a fail to get started while defending champion rafael nadal also suffered he was trying by three games to love in the first set of his fourth round match against luxembourg she was miller on play was stopped also failing to complete their matches were andy roddick along with andy murray who thought it was wrong that they were asked to play at all now the rugby world cup finally gets underway on friday

with the new zealand taking on tonga the pressure is firmly on the all blacks who haven't won the tournament since one thousand nine hundred eighty seven despite regular been ranked as the world's best side poor free caught up with former new zealand captain sean fitzpatrick who says this side is capable of winning the sport's biggest crime for the first time in twenty four years. very excited that's . three four years since we've non with we've won the rights high so we'll cup and you don't count why it was not he said the last time we had of there and i'm a lot's changed in new zealand something you know as a nation. that's four million people talk about a stadium of four million people and looking forward to welcoming the rugby world and when you think of possible cups that was about to enter you will think all world cups the world cup set up into that of being. the nice things that have really taken on board what the rugby world cup has got behind them and new zealand i love the rugby and i'm sure that. the right was

a byproduct of what we can offer as a national party has been twenty four years of hurt so far if you know twenty eight years of. probably you know we spoke in couple of months earlier i think there is even one nailed on favorites to defeat to south africa just last week and. it's a new slightly different is this speed of learning going on in the moments in the rounds but never saw obviously they said twenty four years since we last won the world cup there's a lot of need to get rid of and new zealand as a tame have done very well in the last three three years preparing for this world cup force in the last couple of games we've had a bit of a blip but in doing that hopefully it's it's you know how by them realise that you know it's not going to be as easy as some people think and it's a bit of a reality check for us to those fans and media that you know will collapse you know a very very difficult job and for new zealand they've got to play every game like

it's like the world cup final so you could be a blessing in disguise almost just just to get expectations down a little because i mean in new zealand a few months ago you know i think you know i think in terms of the new zealand australia with such ease at the start of a good try and i should say they've also thought that that will happen again and australia came out on the. and relates what we're going to look to the all blacks. have compared to some of the bright demos and if you don't deny the breakdown. more often than not the team that nice bright down with the guy and. a messianic guy i'm with three four weeks earlier mccord put on what. the brightness crucial and this rubbish i wouldn't try the world they did against australia you know. that anything is possible if you if you play well we can solve it if you're already you see inside you well you know i think obviously injuries and that's with with the teams that injuries is a concern and we saw that with the withdrawing kind of not plying adam thompson

having applying not helping one hundred percent upset the balance of the team and that's why what combinations of. injuries is a concern for graham henry kieren reed been in and. is a problem but he backs quarter final time and but in doing that because somebody else an opportunity in that debate i took his opportunity really well against a study last week hopefully we've got to cover the eyes was. finally the modern pentathlon world championships gets underway in moscow today among the athletes preparing for the told is alexander listened to his only join the russian team three years ago counselor to top off as the story. russia has always been a powerhouse in the man's more than pentathlon three gold medals from the last three olympics is the best evidence of the team's dominance and because of the depth of the nation still and the russians could field several teams in their own

right and it will be a tough challenge for the coaches to choose the two athletes that will compete at the london olympics in twenty twelve. bigger shooting in working. order we managed to save the training camps for pentathlon after the soviet union collapsed we've invested one a half million dollars in developing this campaign and now it's one of the best in the world so we've also got a powerful squad the problem is that only two of our athletes can compete in the lympics so we have very tight competition in the national team. and three years ago the russian team also acquired an unexpected reinforcement nowadays it's quite common for athletes to change their citizenship in order to get into british unity to take part in big competitions but alexander listen story is something completely different the twenty three year old was born in below and got into sport by learning to swim when he was six but at the age of twenty one his life took

a sudden change waterless that's the word of the people of the bellerose team coach fell out with my former coach in the national coach wanted to get rid of me so he made up a fake diagnosis of heart disease and told me i was unsuitable for professional sport but there was a whole thing to him and i with that i quit sports and got a job and think about it however luckily russia's coach aleksey how plan of invited me to their training camp the most and made several examinations that proved i am fully fit to compete so i see it here in russia fortunately listen got back into the. spork less than a year after he had quit and since then he has won the russian championship twice was a runner up at the world championship last year and tops the world rankings this season and the belorussian leads a very strong team that includes two world champions for elephants a geek i came and double olympic champion me see it is. it is what i worried so much when i got back to training

a two time olympic champion i've seen my save and wondered how can i become such a legendary athlete the level seem to be unreachable for me but i saw the train with the team and the guys showed me how health a battle is hard to train every fencing touch every second gain in swimming in running every faultless right every accurate shot can make the difference between those athletes battling for a place at the olympic games out of the blue a bill russian has added more competition to the russian team while russia have gained an athlete who looks set to dominate in many a future and could be a strong contender for them at the olympic games in london in twenty two well concern about out of party. and that is all this but we've got time for that one we've got more they were asked on.

wealthy british style. that's not on the. market why not. come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy with much stronger for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines and to conjure reports on our. headlines in all its new sports team parish and a country more as well the tragedy of the air disaster hitting one of russia's top teams is felt around the world and. given to us than you are citizens who were

killed in the crash you spoke as well as citizens of several other countries let's observe the minute of silence to honor their memory but you too but. to be true medvedev a pays tribute to the victims during his global policy forum keynote speech that south of visiting the disaster site where he called for a drastic overhaul of airline safety and. also twenty years behind bars a russian pilot arrested in a u.s. sting operation in liberia a substance for conspiring to smuggle drugs but moscow says his arrest ever dishes were illegal. and the british government is under fire for stopping an inquest into the death of weapons expert david kelly who insisted iraq never had weapons of mass destruction differential cause of death of suicide is again not being questioned by doctors.