his arrest edward as. well turning our attention to libya now with more insight into what's happening there our interview is coming up next. well today we're joined by mr thomas how marburg european commissioner for human rights talking to us from a star wars thanks very much mr however for joining us now let's get right to where well we know that there were cia prisons in europe and people were tortured and now you're pushing for the truth what more should be know there is a lot more to know in fact because we haven't had a full account for what really happened and who took the decisions and on what grounds when these black sites were established on european soil of the things that we still have to know what do you think is most important i think we have to learn from history and unfortunately during this period of ten years very serious human rights violations for committed and we have an atmosphere of impunity

when it comes to these violations of human rights i think the truce has to come out on board really happened who took the decisions who allowed the establishment of these secret places of detention and thereby allowing torture to take place now this is a story came to light i mean there have been some governments ordering investigations will they found very little so far do you think it's possible that they're deliberately trying to play it down and if so is there any proof of them doing so well there is an enormous pressure from washington to keep all this secret in fact instructions from from cia with the support of the way towse not to give any facts on this so therefore it's not easy to investigate but i think that some of the european governments who have been involved they have to decide whether they think that the cooperation between the security agencies are more important than to. look

into human rights violations and break the spirit of impunity ok well we're talking here about european officials authorizing these really. mission sites but what about those who actually masterminded them those who were directly involved do you think say officials will ever be held accountable for their actions unfortunately it's not likely but if the european governments involved could take this step to really put out everything they know and publish that it may start a process in united states where the accountability also there is established but why is it not likely you say this if it's not likely because this is there is an atmosphere of security confidentiality around this. notion that when it comes to the activities over security agency the truth should not be told to the public and i think that is a real problem because here we have had cooperation between the united states security agency and european agencies under which human rights violations were

seriously seriously violated and it is very important that we know when we know the violations were made that we establish that there should be democratic control of the security agencies activities well there are claims that the u.s. and the u.k. sent prisoners to be tortured in libya to the gadhafi regime does that seem likely to you yes it's very likely and it fits a pattern and also there are now documents being discovered in tripoli which show that this actually did happen ok and you've seen a proof of such things happening yourself no not myself but there have been reports last week from human rights watch showing that there was such a tape it is and typically this is not made subject for comment from the cia in washington because they have the policy of never make and the public comments on

such revelations that the commander of the rebel forces that's. really he demanded an apology for. western powers over his alleged addition two thousand and four and i legibly he was arrested in bangkok and headed to gadhafi forces for torture now how do you think they're going to explain their alleged a murky deals with gadhafi to the rebels because now they're essentially on the same side. i think that question has to be given to to washington there is an explanation to be given there but he was obviously one of those who were picked up during this so-called war on terror he was in guantanamo that's shown and he was obviously one of those badly treated and i think he and others. an apology some of them who were brought there to got on a more or to the secret places of detention or to partner countries of the united states in this where there were tortured they were not probably not innocent

but still even people who are on good ground suspected they have the right to certain protection when it comes to human rights including not to be tortured now the rebels are now in control and foreigners are reportedly in danger especially black africans because while there have been accusations of them being that off these mercenaries how do you think this will affect the building of a democratic society in libya i'm not an expert on only my focus is on europe but obviously there is a problem there and human rights organizations have already reported about problems when it comes to how rebels have dealt with africans who have been accused to being most news for folks we could just do best in order to ensure that those people are well treated some of them of course may well be genuine refugees from other parts of africa who were trying to reach europe past via libya and got stuck there and i

think it's very important that also european governments deal with refugees from libya coming from other parts of africa in line with the international. and that's when it comes to asylum and refugee policies well looking at the humanitarian crisis now in libya that has been reported what do you think is the area that needs the most attention at the moment and how are they going to going to go about solving these humanitarian problems i mean this is very general can we break them down you're first of all it is important to establish security in the country so that the normal life could start again secondly to build democracy because there was no democracy there which is very difficult challenge and i hope that there could be a generous approach from from europe to share the experiences we have when it comes to the steps to be taken in order to build institutions democratic ones and to allow for. genuine willow people to be channeled into political decision making ok well going back to what you're an expert on those black sites what do you think

is the next step now that us the story has come out into the public in poland they have already started through the prosecutor and investigation and i think it's very important that his work is protected and that there is no attempt to slow down his work because he's sensitive when nation states with the united states in in rumania their work hasn't really started there was one investigation by a political group from the senate but the prosecutor has not started an investigation and i really hope that the office will now take the initiative and start anew rushing the situation and come up with a report now you're saying it's important that the the investigation is not block it earlier you were expressing your concerns that there could be directives from higher up to to not give enough information how do you go about going about that hurdle know when you're dealing with governments here is very difficult because of

this notion that activities by the security agencies and their cooperation between themselves so be kept secret at all cost i think that. it's really the notion that we have now to start discussing because so many human rights violations have been committed under that notion and the time has come to establish a democratic control of the security agencies they should not be allowed to take action which violate basic human rights yes should not be but do you think that just let's just look at concrete actions we're talking about what is right what is wrong from your point of view but concrete actions i'm just wondering really legally speaking will it be possible to get all of the truth out i think it will be very difficult unfortunately but i hope that the discussion that may come now with encourage some of the politicians to take brave steps and a better position when it comes to this because it's not acceptable that we have states within the states who are run on undemocratic basis and violating human

rights the security agencies must be put under democratic control and they are not for the moment in my opinion well you said you're using the tenth anniversary of nine eleven to raise the issue of cia black sites so why is that because. you know. i think that the first priority of course is to pay respect to the victims of the attack on the united states ten years ago but then we also have at the same time to look at how did the u.s. government and european governments respond to this attack and unfortunately i think there is a lot of lessons to be learned from how this war on terror so-called war on terror was conducted which allowed for very serious human rights violations which unfortunately also had the effect that terrorism has spread the militant groups have increased and the number of people killed and many of them

innocent doing those ten years they also deserve some respect in this situation and therefore i think it's absolutely. important that the way we handled this gruesome attack will be under an honest discussion so that we don't repeat this in the future and speaking of the militant groups you just released a report based on your visit to russia's north caucuses which is of course a region that marred by sporadic violence by terrorists how do you assess the struggle against the terrorists over there the struggle is still going on there have been some positive initiatives taken a lot of money has been put on budgets in order to improve the standard of living in the area. there is a focus more on the social dimension of this the roots for terrorism which i think is very positive but unfortunately there is still also

a problem of impunity that the crimes which have been committed including by law enforcement forces have not been satisfactory addressed and people guilty responsible have not been brought to justice so there is still a need to do more when it comes to that aspect that will thank you very much effort your time mr thomas howard berg human rights commissioner of the council of europe thank you. thank you. good move. move just so who's.

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a plane crash in the city of. forty three people are confirmed dead while two survivors are in critical condition. the u.k. government faces legal action as doctors did a new inquiry into the shady death of a weapons inspector he was a man who would reveal that. ahead of the invasion of. the middle east to build up palestine and start a peaceful campaign for statehood ahead of you can vote while the tensions grow as a police clashed with protesters calling for a better government. also twenty years in an american jail a russian pilot detained in the us sting operation in liberia is sometimes for conspiring to smuggle drugs. his arrest and rendition as illegal. i'll be back with more of those stories in just fifteen minutes but first let's check in with kate for the latest in sports.

thank you for joining me for the sports news on things the top stories. tragedy. to rebuild the. team thirty seven if that player in wednesday's plane crash. was a washout protests rain. for a second day at the u.s. open. targeting victory we caught up with for the all black county short fitzpatrick is the lucky world cup gets underway in new zealand the host taking on tom the. first ice hockey chiefs say they're doing all they can to help rebuild russian side of jaroslav all which was decimated by wednesday's tragic plane crash thirty seven of their players were among the forty three people that died but scared child boss alexander medvedev has now asked each team in the league to volunteer up to three players to help create a new locomotive side believes a team can be formed in time to take part in the new season like the motive for

heading to mince to play their first game when their plane came down just outside jaroslav shortly after take off those that died including russia. check those years of russian check young magic in qatar who next swedish goalkeeper it's the final leave slovakia's pavel demitra start of the new season has now been postponed until september the twelfth or wednesday's game between last season's champions about you live and runners up atlanta was abandoned when the news came through fans and players were clearly stunned by what has happened on ice hockey stars from the k h l and america's n.h.l. have been leading the tributes. said the knowledge history of me it's all old country and a lot of my friends going to play in them because they play together a couple of years ago and the causes of one just just want to give my condolences to the families and i mean that it's tough for them but it actually awful for me

it's already been a very difficult summer for hard times and how he wanted them to suffer losses down . you know a lot of these guys. you played against reno you played with them in a certain point. in a fax everybody it's a big family everyone knows each other and know someone. you know in this league or in the sport worldwide or you whether they're hockey players or not it's a huge tragedy and it's awful that she's now. it's you. know it's going to lose people mashallah. now that sense of the u.s. open the way rain has affected play for second day the women's quarter final between serena williams and honest as a public cenk that fails to get star safe while defending champion rafael nadal who also suffered he was trailing by three games to none in the first set of his fourth run much against luxembourg joomla and play with stops also fighting to complete

their matches where andy roddick along with andy murray and the players complained about the organizers decision to go ahead with as as much. with him for the protected enough for the input for the. ground as this is within a lot of money. we are part of this show and not just working for. us they know that still waiting they called us so that's that's going to be possible based on the funds but you know. but the players in this part of the show do and we don't feel protected. to golf now and the stage of the european professional challenge to take place in the moscow region next week this will be the second time the russian challenge cup is being held but this year the overall prize money has been increased to two hundred fifty thousand euros making it the third largest event it's well known and the european challenge tour is a tear to golf event and twenty top tennis to qualify for the main european tour

the following year. it may play a crucial role for some young player to make the top twenty and that's what ever want is trying to make her not just make more money in prize money but to make the top twenty in the final writing which gives you an automatic card on the european tour for the next year so that's pretty much what everyone will be fighting for for those. top trying to place it. now the rugby world cup final gets underway on friday with new zealand taking on told the pressure is firmly on the all blacks who haven't won the tournament since one nine hundred eighty seven despite regularly being ranked as the walls best side which is on point he caught up with for many years even captain sean fitzpatrick he says this side is capable of winning the sport's biggest crown for the first time in twenty four years this is a very excited it's. three four years since we've now on with we've won the rights to high so we'll cup and you don't count why it was not nearly seven the last time

we had of the. chinese to new zealand something you know as a nation. of four million people we talk about a stadium of four million people and they're looking forward to welcoming the rugby world and you think a possible capsulize about the world cups the world cup set up in trade everything gracia. the nice things that have really taken on board what the rugby world cup has got behind it but. i love the rugby and i'm sure the. rugby is a byproduct of just little we can offer as a national party has been twenty four years of hurt so far i've you know twenty eight years of but somehow i said probably you know we've spoken couple of months earlier i think there is even one nailed on favorites to defeat south africa last weekend straight to me slightly different as a suspicious boring going on. but never saw obviously he said twenty four years since we last won the world cup there's a little monkey on the back we need to get rid of and the museum launch as

a team of done very well in the last three years preparing for this world cup but unfortunately last couple of games we've had a bit of a blip but in doing that hopefully it's it's you know the prized by them realise that you know it's not going to be as easy as some people think and it's a bit of a reality check for us to those fans and media that you know will cups you know very very difficult job and for new zealand. play every guy like it's like the world cup final so you could be a blessing in disguise almost just to get expectations down a little because i mean new zealand a few months ago you know i think you know i think in terms of the way that new zealand beat a strongly with such ease at the start of a trial i should say maybe also if that's that will happen again and it's really kind of national and really what we're going through to the all blacks and it just have. the bright gammas and if you dominate the breakdown. more often than not the

team of dumb nice bright down the women the game and i showed that i called it a messianic game with three four weeks earlier mccord put it like. the bright going to score a show and this rubbish i tried the world. did against australia him up there really that anything is possible if you if you play well we can solve it if you're already using inside you know well you know i think obviously injuries and that's just with the times that injuries is a concern and we saw that with the withdrawing kind of kind of not plying adam thompson having applying not being one hundred percent upset the balance of the time and that's why what combinations aside volatile you know injuries is is a concern for graham henry care a great thing and just. as a problem but he'll be back so hopefully by quarter final time and but in doing that because somebody else an opportunity and that debate i took his opportunity really well against australia last week so hopefully we've got to cover otherwise was. a dress. and finally the modern pentathlon world championships gets underway

in moscow this thursday and among the athletes preparing for the tournament is alex and a lesson from batteries who joined the russian team three years ago and constantine explains why. russia has always been a powerhouse in the manse more than can tough three gold medals from the last three olympics is the best evidence of the team's dominance and because of the depth of the nation still and the russians could field several teams in their own right and it will be a tough challenge for the coaches to choose the two athletes that will compete at the london olympics and twenty three well. we've been there she said i'm working here with us and we're going we managed to save the training camps for some time for an after the soviet union collapsed we've invested one and a half million dollars in developing this campaign and now it's one of the best in the world so we've also got a powerful squad but the problem is that only two of our athletes can compete in

the lympics so we have very tight competition in the national team. and three years ago the russian team also acquired an unexpected reinforcement nowadays it's quite common for athletes to change their citizenship in order to get into british unity to take part in big competitions but alexander listen story is something completely different the twenty three year old was born in belarus and got into sport by learning to swim when he was six but at the age of twenty one his life took a sudden change borderless that's the grossest told me people would never bellerose team coach until old with my former coach and the national coach wanted to get rid of me so you made up a fake diagnosis of the whole disease and told me i was unsuitable for professional sport there was a whole thing to him and i was the third i quit sports and got a job this is going to get really however luckily russia's coach alex see how plan of invited me to their training camp of them was a big and made several examinations that prove i'm fully fit to compete so i see it here in russia fortunately. list soon got back into the sport less than

a year after he had and since then he has won the russian championship twice was a runner up at the world championship last year and tops the world rankings this season and the belorussian leads a very strong team that includes two world champions. and double olympic champion andre me see it is all oh it's the sea life it is a lot i worried so much when i got back to training before only to two time olympic champion i've seen my save and wondered if it's how can i become such a legendary athlete the level seem to be unreachable for me but i saw the train with the team and the guys showed me how tough the battle is hard to train every fencing touch every second game in swimming in running every full course right every accurate shot can make the difference between those athletes battling for a place at the olympic games out of the blue a bill russian has added more competition to the russian team while russia have

gained and their flick who looks set to dominate in the near future and could be a strong contender for them at the olympic games in london in two thousand it's well his name but up a party. and stay without a further news on the plane crash that killed almost all of russia's champion i saw like what if you are solve them.

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