just recent history where forty three people are confirmed dead after a plane carrying one of the country's top teams the locomotive got a slava crash in the city bearing its name the only two survivors are in critical condition one being a team member and the other a crew member or both have been a taken to moscow for further treatment r.t. shaun thomas is in the crash site. a somber day here in the city of jaroslaw well as the community reels from the tragic did sit in did that happened on that wednesday killing that locomotive team plane that did not make lift off at the end of the runway burst into a ball of flames after clipping an antenna and killing all two on board there were forty three confirmed dead tonight did it survive at this time one of them of course being alexander. played for the team as well as the national team he suffered burns over ninety percent of his body as well as he has gone under gone multiple surgeries including of his respiratory system another crew member of

the plane that crashed. suffered a broken femur those two survivors have now been transported and have arrived in moscow so that they can get the best medical attention and care of a level to them so that they could possibly recover from this tragedy through the past night and that day this is the beginning of a three day mourning period for the people. immediately vigil started happening as friends and family members came. so that they could be together in this moment of grief of the accident wednesday night and then all throughout thursday people gathered at central churches in so that they could be together and share in the grief as well we had the opportunity to speak to some of the people as to their recollections and memories of the people on this team and here is their grief in their words. we've been fans of this team for many years.

to child going to all the games. it's like losing a family member. i knew one of the players he was my neighbor. as a great person he's got two little kids left how could this happen when we saw the news on t.v. i just burst into tears i still can't grasp how it could happen there used to be a team. there isn't. it hurt so much. they were everything to us we'll remember them forever. i wish they were life one of the wife of the coaches was on her way back from vacation when she learned that her husband was in this accident and was asked to come and identify the body at the morgue in that case on her way to the morgue she got into

a minor car accident she is ok but also a mother of one of the players on upon learning the news and we are told suffered a heart attack as well after hearing that her son was involved in this incident another story that we're told is a flight attendant twenty nine years old on this flight was married just three months ago and had told her friends and family that she was planning to retire from this business so that she could raise a family and have children and of course the people here are going to be gathering up for the next few days sharing their stories sharing their community spirit so that they can begin the healing process after such a national tragedy and we've got more details emerging about the last moments of the players on board that plane now i love you these were the last words one of the players got to say to his wife and baby son just minutes before the crash well there's more on the tragic events in the house level on our web page that's our dot

com now wednesday's plane crash happened on the first day of the new season of the kontinental hockey league and many of those who perished played for their countries and were real stars of the sport our sports presenter parchin says rebuilding the team is one of the main priorities now. well we've had reaction as unsurprisingly globally we were listening to some of the earlier quotes there in the sports bulletin and some of the players that were in the n.h.l. as well as the case you were describing ice hockey as a family so many of the the team members came from other countries we have ten different nationalities level side so the reaction is global it starts we hear from the fans and also from the highest in the lowest and the great in the goods and we can also hear from players themselves alexei actually used to play for luck oh and he's not going to play for skull we can hear from him. no history of him not only what he told country and one of my friends going to the play you guys have played

together a couple of years ago and of course one just just want to give my condolences to the families and i mean that it's tough for everybody but what shocked me with this very very sad news that we heard. i'm speechless you know you know if you guys are on that team it's very separate here and as well also there are some sort of a game show who plays the also a center so say the idea that you get from the n.h.l. everybody coming together and shock and grief the example that's been used is the practical example that we have which is a football example of a team that was a ridge it's a scene a snaffle a speck a stand it was originally part of the soviet union and they were promoted in one thousand nine hundred nine to the top flight and whilst on route they were on a plane collided midair and seventeen players and coaches were killed the theory the practice they had afterwards was that the league then sent a playoff from every team to make up a new team and this is a suggestion that's been made by commentators across russia and also the greats in

the grid are all in favor of boosting the same and we can hear from some of the legends of the sport they're also out jaroslava with this idea. that the ice hockey family mourns the loss of one of the best teams it was a multinational t. with a unique group of players and the international sports community sharing our grief it was. standing team and our priority will be to build and you locomotive. of calls. five calls. the war from what you believe will be served if you. know but yeah that was a decided ways of a fellow felt also. that it's all those of the clubs even look at cause as. players. to look at what your fellow has a history of what gets your votes. well as we head from an exam the main vet of the head of the k h l nobody even needs to be told people are actually volunteering to

come forward and help rebuilding of the team and they have as i hear already announced a new coach the former used to be of his coming into to head up a new team dimitri medvedev has visited the crash site and laid flowers in tribute to the victims of the plane disaster and he had us level a lot the site of the russian president said the number of airlines must be reduced dramatically he also ordered the transport ministry to pay special attention to pilot training in russia's civil aviation sector say that those not up to the job must be sacked but that of other the entire industry must undergo serious changes and the russian president altered his plans for the international policy forum in get us level to visit the site of the crash but later he arrived to address the global gathering of course one of them he said now is there and will bring us more of what's been said later in the program. the palestinians have started a campaign for statehood ahead of the september twentieth vote in the united nations they carried a letter to the local u.n. mission in drama last say their peaceful demonstrations will continue until

palestine becomes a member state fall asleep or reports the whole region isn't in the state of build up to the vote. well the palestinian authority officially launched its campaign for statehood today thursday and in a formal letter to the un secretary chief banki moon it urged the international body to recognize tellus fenians just demands and what we understand is that the campaign will involve a series of events in the run up to the opening session of the un general assembly on september the twentieth it has been dubbed the national campaign for palestine state one hundred and ninety four and to launch it some one hundred palestinian high ranking officials and activists gathered today for is day at the u.n. headquarters in ramallah for a short ceremony of both the israeli government as well as the obama administration is against the stick aeration and the u.s. has sent a formal request to the palestinian president mahmoud abbas asking him not to go

ahead with it but a bus has rejected this we are hearing some rumblings behind the scenes that israelis and palestinians have been meeting informally and in secret to discuss the possibility of possibly postponing this declaration that we have no confirmation of this what we've witnessed here particularly in the last two months is a build up of anger frustration and discontent within the israeli public particularly leveled at the netanyahu government these have been the largest protests in this country's history and just yesterday protesters clashed here in tel aviv with police a number of the wrists were held people accused the police of treating them brutally and all of this was because the government has started removing tents from the streets of several cities despite the fact that earlier it said it would give protesters and till the end of the month to clean up their act and to meet the government in all ways and in boardrooms for discussions rather than on the streets so what protesters are saying here is that they really cannot trust the government

and there's also the concern that as the government turns its attention to what is happening externally me these are the september the twentieth it will no longer even listen to the concerns. here within the israeli society to discuss the build up to the upcoming u.n. vote on palestinian independence we're joined live by dr ronn he's the chairman of the palestinian israeli peace for thanks very much for joining us and now palestinians claim their action is peaceful how long do you think it will stay that way we hope that it will become peaceful and that the israeli army would also maintain it and want poor folk in order to make you know something which will deteriorate into fire and into a struggle i believe after talking with the policy leadership the objective is to do which would be nonviolence it would be peaceful and they will. wish for of the policy of people force if there were

a nation food an independent state i mean you were talking there about provocation of the israeli defense force that started arming and training settlers several several weeks ago so i do you think that they're doing that as a as a provocation is that what you're saying. well i have no doubt that there are some israelis who have an interest for. and i would like to see clash but i presume and i really do hope that the government's policy and the army will maintain this policy to try and low any fire which will erupt and all together one should remember that the palestinians are not going to declare a state this is a misperception which is a going too fast what is going to happen at the u.n. is the palestinians would ask the entire world to recognize a potentially that the palestinian state will eventually would be cleared be cleared by them they say that would be declared food negotiations so i presume that the recognition would take place maybe they'll move. but they cannot veto it at the

general assembly but the overwhelming majority of approximately one hundred thirty state would say yes and then i hope that israel eventually will come into its sense our government and will continue negotiations towards eventually two state solution based on sixty seven borders and then when the state would be declared the violence would not take place because it would be a result of negotiations but if they won't be any negotiations the palestinian sentiment will grow and eventually we won't see this stability as we have seen until today because the continuation of you could patient cannot be sustained for ever and i add just a following up on that how far is willing to go do you think to prevent palestine independence and admission to the u.n. i mean this is such a lot of build up forces can we expect a long conflict. well you know that i think that the interest of israel would have should have been to raise our vote and the edit

to others in favor of for future declaration of a state but i think the composition of the. coalition the fate of the government the situation on the ground with our social justice movement etc is weakening the ability of the government so i think that we might have a warm. and i. can just fact i still have one more question i think we had a bit of a sound problem there i do want to ask you quickly the u.s. is likely to veto palestine its independence but all the earlier you were mentioning that they cannot get even though most of the other u.n. member states are expected to support it if the u.s. does veto where do you see palestine going from there. well united states cannot veto a german general assembly resolution that can only veto

a security council so the palestinians would be wise enough not to go to the security council but they eventually to be to limit themselves to the assembly and then. abstain all will go against it but it won't mean anything but the fear of the palestinians is that down move will actually. try to limit their assistance the aid the money their relations etc and the by weakening the relations with the p.l.o. and the pretty serious might might suffer but i presume that the americans. will maybe go against it the palestinians will move forward because we speak about national identity but i can only hope that both sites would not try to deteriorate situation and their movements would understand that this is actually only a symbolic act which won't change anything on the ground all right thank you very much for their doctor of one doc the chairman of the palestinian israeli peace forum thank you. other british government faces court action from

a group of doctors over to death of weapons expert david kelly in two thousand and three they're pushing for a new inquiry after the first reached a verdict of suicide kelli was behind a report showing britain knew there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq before joining the invasion as artist or avid found out the evidence in the case isn't as clear as previously thought. more than eight years since the death of u.n. weapons inspector david kelly and still no inquest following his own mosque as the source of a report saying tony blair's government knew iraq had no weapons of mass destruction be full person invaded the country kelly was found dead in woods near his home a verdict of suicide was recorded despite what many see as conflicting evidence no one's ever said questions under oath about kelly's death and all medical and scientific reports relating to it were secretly classified something which has never been legally explained but it hasn't gone away this week talked to david how

penn is demanding that the question of holding an inquest be reopened he's challenging a decision by attorney general dominic grieve who ruled out holding a coroner's inquest in june citing what he called overwhelming evidence that the u.n. weapons inspector committed suicide but david group of other doctors are distinctly underwhelmed by the evidence. that this one group. crossed behind. the scenes monograms. the lead. with. the campaign has popular support readers of the daily mail newspaper have to natal around fifty six thousand dollars in just a week to help finance the appeal how pain and his fellow campaign is hope this will lead to a full inquest into kelly's death many suspect foul play and just subsequent

government coverup. well in just a few days the united states will be marking its greatest tragedy in half a century the terrorist attacks on september eleventh two thousand and one what followed was a decade of invasions torture scandals and untold abuses on both sides for more perspective on what's been achieved and what's been missed so i'm now joined live from london but home office professor of peace studies at the university of bradford thanks very much mr rogers for being on the program and i'm just going back almost a decade when emotions were high tempers were high and all that mattered was bringing those responsible for nine eleven to justice was there really no other choice but to invade afghanistan and iraq i think there was a choice if this had been seen as an appalling example of transnational criminality rather than the start of a war i think it would have produced a very different result to pursuing through policing an international legal means would not have had the effect that we've had with the war in the in the appalling

atrocities in eleven september nearly three thousand people died since then for every person killed eighty have died two hundred twenty five thousand in iraq or and elsewhere and it looks like the united states may still have troops in afghanistan in another twelve or fourteen years time we're into a kind of never ending war so while it was very difficult to consider any alternative at the time given the horror of the atrocities in reality it would have been far more sensible to take it to our there after all is said and there has been a war and there's been a growing chorus declaring that the afghan war was a failure but is that is that really true i mean after what happened to the taliban what other government would there harbor a terrorist cell. well that may be true but the point is that you have groups that are active elsewhere we saw the destruction of the u.n. building in the a nigerian capital of a blue chip just a couple weeks ago there is activity in yemen in iraq and in somalia you have a very dispersed movement you may not get governments actually harboring these

paramilitary groups but the movement itself is not going away meanwhile you have one hundred forty thousand foreign troops in afghanistan a far more than the height of the soviet occupation over twenty years ago and it looks like we have the prospect of a very long war there so the end result has been so different from what was expected that i think we really have an urgent need to try and learn the lessons ok let's look at the presence of the united states maintains that all the permanent bases both in afghanistan and iraq which encompasses a region infamous for being a terrorist hotbed do you think the presence of the forces will actually suppress the growth of terror there well one of the problems is again in afghanistan is the united states and its coalition partners see their role in a sense as kind of liberating afghanistan but for many people within afghanistan particular the pashtuns in the south and east they're seen much more as foreign occupiers to get this kind of mirror image which if anything makes matters worse

and the curious thing is extraordinary thing is that the more troops have gone in over the last three years the more the violence is actually escalated it seems to be a counterproductive move as i say this may be understandable in the context of the appalling attacks ten years ago but the reality is it is just not working out as expected ok i'm just going back to our point again of lessons learned choices that you were talking about earlier well what if god forbid of course that there was another terrorist attack on america on the scale of nine eleven with emotions still high do you think washington would make a different choice in its response this time. i think it quite possibly would if we could if al gore had won the presidency in two thousand rove and george bush i think gore probably would have gone into afghanistan but he would not have gone into iraq and similar you have barack obama who is the president a president who is actually trying to speed up the rate of withdrawal from iraq and even get some withdrawals from afghanistan before next year's election so i think there would be a rather different reaction difficult that might be the natural reaction is to

respond very very forcefully but you can understand that in relation to nine eleven but that doesn't alter the fact that the end result has been so radically different to what was expected and one hopes that if there was terribly another attack on that sort of scale that some degree of political wisdom would prevail but other means would be fine interest for him to respond to it. well thank you very much for your insight there paul waterless professor of peace studies at the university of bradford and consultant thank you very much thank you and tomorrow we'll assess the effects of a post nine eleven world both all the us and all those in afghanistan where many still don't know the reason why they were invaded in the first place. afghans. think about nine eleven times and. never. know. if i just got here would be surprised if you've been here now for six months

from a stone ages where we are. now the tragic jet crash has overshadowed a major political event taking place in the city of change plans including those of president medvedev well speaking of the second and final day of the global policy forum he touched upon the major challenges russia is facing what is unease about why is there for us. almost certainly a lot of debate and discussion took place at this two day forum just by the tragedy nevertheless the president felt it was the right thing to do to begin his keynote speech with a moment of silence but. our citizens were killed in the crash you as well as citizens of several other countries let's observe the minute of silence to honor their memory but you. but. the president went on to give his speech it focused on multiculturalism of course that's the theme of this year's forum here in your novel he spoke about the ethnic

divides in russia and also about income divides and about how he thought that is very much one of the country needs to push on further with its economic diversity in order to help society grow in the country growth in its steady path towards modernization of course a very i think we could say main platform of president made he also spoke about the situation in north africa and in the mideast saying that countries shouldn't. push forward and try to teach other countries really in one word or another how to build a democracy it's something that has to come from within and of course he was talking about the situation in libya and syria and that's something that has really been a big topic at a forum again multiculturalism and its failure really we've heard from plenty of critics over the past couple of months that it's just not working you know europe we've seen violence on the streets of western europe and so this is something that experts analysts and leaders have been discussing this today for. more on the

policy forum and got us level coming up in the next hour as are teens and he said ali grills russia's presidential envoy to africa over the violence both in libya and syria or you can watch it right now just log on to our website that's r t dot com in the meantime the business update is next with marina. hello and welcome to business here on our team new pipelines are sprouting across russia on the other side of the country from north spring of the rusco a gas pipeline now provides a new artery to market in asia and this is our seas that sound off on the global travel there for us. this land is surrounded by some of the most adler jihan green nations in the world consumption in places such as south korea or china is growing rapidly offering great opportunities for gazprom to cash in especially now as it has loads of gas close to the region and red to be exported this new gas pipeline

which would lead to more putin is opening rounds from two large of us talk it is able to supply thirty billion cubic meters of gas annually bought to the russians see it is a round here need just a tiny part of that and that's why gas pump is desperate to find buyers for its extra gas and doesn't talks with several contras but it's not all so easy at the moment talks with china are dragging over a prize and possible supplies to south korea are complicated by risk in transit through north korea but to their reason not a project to make use of the far eastern gas it is an alan g. plant and lots of us talk gazprom is considering building the plant with japan's corporation and if it's on stream in five years as planned the gas from here may be shipped to the world's biggest alan g. consumers south korea and japan. the us take

a look at the markets know with oil prices are down after posting significant growth in the previous session and that says weather conditions in the mexican gulf are still far from calm with even more tropical storms calling to threaten production. in the u.s. markets opened in the red but have now a raised earlier losses i reports show it for some outlook and for jobless benefits climbed last week which drove in this is lower class by fab ahead of ben bernanke on the u.s. economic outlook. in europe is back into positive territory and that's despite the central bank cutting its. forecast for economic growth in the girls zone you see the also signaled it was no longer considering that for the rate hikes here in russia or markets ended the trade in session on the pause it's of notes the arts yes again point two percent of all the my six one that point six percent let's take a look at some individual share moves on the my sex is burbank went up over two

percent sacked or acquired the eastern european arm old gold spank girls nicole gained this one after the once russo is finally starting talks to sell its that in the company and among those bucking the trend was look or oil company could face a several billion ruble fine as the federal and monopoly service thinks it's overvalued fuel prices in the end of last year. most of the business is for now the headlines are next with tests.

headlines on r t the world's ice hockey community is united in grief after russia's locomotive team was almost entirely wiped out in a plane crash in the city of god

a small forty three people are confirmed dead while two survivors are critical condition. the u.k. government faces legal action as doctors demand a new inquiry into the shady death of a weapons inspector he was the matter of revealed a new iraq had no w m d's ahead of the invasion of. the middle east and build up a sort of peaceful have paid for statehood ahead of the un vote quality israel tensions grow as protesters calling for better. and up next on our t. is the kaiser report. hungry for the full story we've got it first hand the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers on.