well today we're joined by mr thomas harburg european commissioner for human rights talking to us from a star wars thanks very much mr howard for joining us now let's get right to where well we know that there were cia prisons in europe and people were tortured and now you're pushing for the truth what more should we know there is a lot more to know in fact because we haven't had a full account for what really happened and who took the decisions and on what grounds when these black sites were established on european soil of the things that we still have to know what do you think is most important i think we have to learn from history and unfortunately during this period of ten years there are serious human rights violations for committed and we have an atmosphere of impunity when it comes to these violations of human rights i think the truce has to come out on board really happened who took the decisions who allowed the

establishment of these secret places of detention and thereby allowing torture to take place now this is a story came to light i mean there have been some governments ordering investigations will they found very little so far do you think it's possible that they're deliberately trying to play it down and if so is there any proof of them doing so well there is an enormous pressure from washington to keep all this secret in fact instructions from from cia with the support of the way towse not to give any facts on this so therefore it's not easy to investigate but i think that some of the european governments have been involved they have to decide whether they think that the cooperation between the security agencies are more important than to attack to look into human rights violations and break the transfer of impunity ok well we're talking here about european officials authorizing these rendition sites but what about those who actually masterminded them those who were directly in. do

you think say officials will ever be held accountable for their actions unfortunately it's not likely but if the european governments involved could take this step to really put out everything they know and publish that it may start a process in united states where the accountability also there is established but why is it not likely you say this if it's not likely because this is there is an atmosphere of security confidentiality around this. notion that when it comes to the activities over security agency the truth should not be told to the public and i think that this is a real problem because here we have had cooperation between the united states security agency and european agencies under which human rights violations were seriously seriously violated and it is very important that we know when we know the violations were made that we establish that there should be democratic

control of the security agencies activities well there are claims that the u.s. and the u.k. prisoners to be tortured in libya to the gadhafi regime does that seem likely to you yes it's very likely and it fits a pattern and also they are now documents being discovered in tripoli which show that this actually did happen ok and you've seen a proof of such things happening yourself no not myself but there have been reports last week from human rights watch showing that there was such a these and typically this is not made subject for comment from the cia in washington because they have the policy of never make and the public comments on such revelations of the commander of the rebel forces that's. really he demanded an apology from western powers over his alleged edition two thousand and four and i legibly he was a. arrested in bangkok and headed to gadhafi forces for torture now how do you

think they're going to explain their alleged or murky deals with gadhafi to the rebels because now they're essentially on the same side. i think that question has to be given to to washington there is an explanation to be given there but he was obviously one of those who were picked up during this so-called war on terror he was in guantanamo that's shown and he was obviously one of those who are badly treated and i think he and others. an apology some of them who were brought there to count on him or or to the secret places of detention or to partner countries of the united states in this where they were tortured they were not probably not innocent but still even people who are on good ground suspected they have the right to certain protection when it comes to human rights including not to be tortured now the rebels are now in control and foreigners are reportedly in danger

especially black africans because while there have been accusations of them being get out these mercenaries how do you think this will affect the building of a democratic society in libya i'm not an expert on only my focus is on europe but obviously there is a problem there and human rights organizations have already reported about problems when it comes to how rebels have dealt with africans who have been accused to being most news for folks we could just do best in order to ensure that those people are well treated some of them of course may well be genuine refugees from other parts of africa who were trying to reach europe and passed via libya and got stuck there and i think it's very important that also european governments deal with refugees from libya coming from other parts of africa in line with the international standards when it comes to asylum and refugee policies well looking at the humanitarian. crisis now in libya that has been reported what do you think is the

area that needs the most attention at the moment and how are they going to going to go about solving these humanitarian problems i mean this is very general can we break them down here first of all it is important to establish security in the country so that the normal life could start again secondly to build democracy because there was no democracy there which is very difficult challenge and i hope that there could be a generous approach from from europe to share the experiences we have when it comes to the steps to be taken in order to build institutions democratic ones and to allow for. genuine willow people to be channeled into political decision making ok well going back to what you're an expert on those black sites what do you think is the next step now that the story has come out into the public in poland they have already started through the prosecutor and investigation and i think it's very important that his work is protected and that there is no it tends to slow down his

work because he's sensitive when nations sleep with the united states in in romania their work hasn't really started there was one investigation by a political group from the senate but the prosecutor has not started an investigation and i really hope that the office will now take the initiative and start and are rushing the situation and come up with a report now you're saying it's important that the investigation is not blocking it earlier you were expressing your concerns that there could be directives from higher up to to the not give enough information how do you go about going about that hurdle know when you're dealing with governments here is very difficult because of this notion that activities by the security agencies and their cooperation between themselves should be kept secret at all cost i think that is really the notion that we have now to start discussing because this. so many human

rights violations have been committed under that notion and the time has come to establish a democratic control of the security agencies they should not be allowed to take action which violate basic human rights yes should not be but do you think that just let's just look at concrete actions we're talking about what is right what is wrong from your point of view but concrete actions i'm just wondering really legally speaking will it be possible to get all of the truth out i think it will be very difficult unfortunately but i hope that the discussion that may come now will encourage some of the politicians to take brave steps and a better position when it comes to this because it's not acceptable that we have states within the states who are run on undemocratic basis and violating human rights the security agencies must be put under democratic control and they are not for the moment in my opinion well you said you're using the tenth anniversary of nine eleven to raise the issue of cia black sites so why is that because.

you know. i think that the first priority of course is to pay respect to the victims of the attack on the united states ten years ago but then we also have a to same time to look at how did the u.s. government and european governments respond to this attack and unfortunately i think there is a lot of lessons to be learned from how this war on terror so-called war on terror was conducted which allowed for very serious human rights violations which unfortunately also had the effect that terrorism has spread the militant groups have increased. the number of people killed and many of them innocent doing those ten years they also deserve some respect in this situation and therefore i think it's absolutely important that the way we handled this. the

gruesome attack will be an honest discussion so that we don't repeat this in the future and speaking of the militant groups you just released a report based on your visit to russia's north caucuses which is of course a region that marred by sporadic violence by terrorists how do you assess the struggle against the terrorists over there the struggle is still going on there have been some positive initiatives taken a lot of money has been put on budgets in order to improve the standard of living in the area. there is a focus more on the social dimension of this the roots for terrorism which i think is very positive but unfortunately there is still also a problem of impunity that the crimes which have been committed including by law enforcement forces have not been satisfactorily addressed and people guilty responsible have not been brought to justice so there is still

a need to do more when it comes to that aspect well thank you very much effort your time mr thomas howard berg human rights commissioner of the council of europe thank you. thank you. the loomis his shoes. seeming. to.

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headlines tonight the world's ice hockey community is united in grief russia's locomotive almost entirely in a plane crash in the city yesterday

a commemoration ceremonies in a place where the team is supposed to play schools. government faces legal action is. the shady that. he was the man who revealed britain had no weapons of mass destruction. in the middle east build a palestinian start of peaceful. tensions grow as police clashed with protesters calling for better government. forty five pm here in moscow. well the latest sports news is leaving the headlines. after tragedy like want to hear us level name the new coach as tributes flow in for the thirty seven players

in training who died in wednesday's plane crash. while the repeats a second seed in last year's beaten fall is very small there are the crashes that you never see some stars are in the u.s. open quarterfinals. targeting victory as the rugby world cup gets set to kick off the old block captain short of fitzpatrick says new zealand have a great chance to lift the trophy for the first time in twenty four years. as a first step has been taken towards rebuilding like amount of ice hockey club off the wednesday's plane crash killed thirty seven players and coaching staff there for what russian championship winning manager upset the federal bureau of retakes the reins after the side's plane came down just outside jaroslav will shortly after take off as a team were on routes to playing their first match of the season did i miss forty three of the forty five people on board died leaving russia forward alex on that got him off and a flight engineer in a critical condition in

a moscow hospital i saw the chief said they do all they could to help rebuild the site while while. under my bed of says he is being inundated with offers from players and coaches volunteer him to work at the decimated club and believes a team can be formed in time to take part in the new season that is the diet included russia but even for the trenka czech styles of. young american cattle who in their swedish goalkeeper stefan leave and slovakia's pavel demitra the start of the new season has now been postponed until september the twelfth while wednesday's game between last season's champions to live on is that atlanta was abandoned when the news came through fans and players alike and clearly stunned by what has happened the stars from the k h l and america's n.h.l. have been leading the tributes. said they know it's history and not on me like it's old country and a lot of my friends were in the play and then you guys have played together

a couple years ago and the cause is one just i just want to give my condolences to the families and all that sweet stuff for everybody but it's actually awful and i started going to a very difficult summer for an hour for hockey players in the hockey world and to suffer a loss and i found. you know a lot of these guys. you played against syria know you play with them in a certain point. and it affects everybody it's like a big family everyone knows each other and i know someone. you know in this league or in the sport worldwide so i mean whether they're hockey players or not that's a huge tragedy and it's awful that she's now. you know how it's. going to those people whose family. now let's turn to the u.s. open tennis where last year's beaten finalist vera zvonareva has gone after the last eight at the hands of australia some starters a it's

a former french open runner up just over an hour to power her way into have made in seventy finals in new york state and taken her record against the russian team eight victories just two losses last time is one rabbit came out a window in the head to head meetings back in two thousand and four. men's defending champion rough on the dolphin fought back to book a beth in the quarterfinals spanish second seed a solid thirty three winners all reached a straight sets win against luxembourg and field muta and joining him in the last eight is number four seed andy murray the scot classing ever of private local hopeful doubles young. meanwhile russia have booked a slot in the quarterfinals of the european balls that will championships in a few idea that would bounce many to victory against england for their third consecutive win the tournament this perfect record guarantees them a place in the last days they are set to finish among the top four teams top of the thoughts. now the world championships in modern pentathlon is underway in the russian capital with the athletes competing for the last remaining places in next

year's london olympics the sport is back in moscow off of the city hosted the prestigious kremlin cup just three months ago the world championships were originally set to be held in egypt but were moved off the revolution in the arab nation earlier this year a couple of firsts will be recorded in moscow with laser pistols making their debut at the top tier event while it's also the first world championship to stage with a one sports complex in the speech stadium and the second of monaco is also going to be president of the international and toughly union has no dance it will succeed . i'm sure that this will be an. incredible event. and i really want to thank our russian friends for. organizing these work championships at such short notice but i'm sure that the president i mean off my no personally and his team will do their utmost to make these championships

a thriving success. to go off now where young an up and coming golfers could have a chance to perform on the european tour as the russia challenge cup comes to the moscow region next week this over the second time the cup has been held but this year the overall prize money has been increased to two hundred fifty thousand euros making it the third largest event of the tournament this competition is a stage of the european professional challenge tour which is a tear to golf event is allows the twenty top earners to qualify for the main european to the following year giving you talent the chance to shine as a high level. it may play a crucial role for some young player to make the top trying to and that's what everyone is trying to make her not just make more money in prize money but to make the top twenty in the final writing which gives you an automatic card on the your pain tour for the next year so that's pretty much what everyone will be fighting for for those coveted top trying to place it. now just a week off to becoming the first amputee to claim

a medal at the able bodied will championships more on this have been bestowed on blade runner oscar pistorius as the south african pulled the wraps off a sculpture of his torso in london yesterday was part of international paralympic day in the british capital which is to take place next on the olympics and paralympics pistorius was the star attraction of the festivities at trafalgar square and graciously last back to the kids and improvised running british prime minister david cameron and where of london boris johnson also attended to explain to the paralympics on friday the story this is a big medal hope at those games but he also wants to run for his country in the same fix. now the rugby world cup finally gets underway on friday with new zealand taking on told the pressure is on the all blacks who haven't won the tournament since one nine hundred eighty seven despite regularly being ranked as the world's best light but she found out was for one use even captain sean fitzpatrick who says this side is capable of winning the sport's biggest crown for the first time in

twenty four years. but we're very excited it's been three or four years since we've now and we have we won the rights highest the world cup and you don't count why it was not nearly seven last time we had it there there are lots of times to new zealand something you know as a nation. of four million people talk about a stadium of four million people and looking forward to welcoming the rugby world and you think of possible cups the ones that are being told or people will cups the world cups that up into that have been great of being the nice ones that have really taken on board what the rugby world cup has got behind it the new zealand i love the rugby and i'm sure that. the right was a bar product you know in terms of what we can offer as a national party has been twenty four years of hurt so far i've you know twenty eight years of but somehow i said probably every spoken couple of months early i think there is. when nailed on favorites to defeat to south africa just last

weekend will strain the mood slightly different is this spate of learning going on at moments in iran but never saw obviously twenty four years since we last won the world cup there's a little monkey on the back we need to get rid of. and easy along as a team of done very well the last three three years preparing for this world cup but unfortunately last couple of games we've had a bit of a blip but in doing that hopefully it's it's you know the prize to buy them realise that you know it's not going to be as easy as some people think and it's a bit of a reality check for us to those fans and media that you know will cups you know very very difficult and for new zealand they've got to play every guy like it's like the world cup final so you could be a blessing in disguise almost just just to get expectations down a little because i mean new zealand a few months ago you know i think you know i think in terms of the new zealand they destroy you with such ease at the start of a trial i should say they've also thought that's that will happen again and it's

really kind of them and really what we're going to look to the all blacks and i just have. the bright gammas and if you dominate the breakdown. more often than not the team the dumb nice bright down the in the game and i showed that i call that a messianic game where three four weeks earlier richie mccord put on what. the bright going to spray show and this rubbish i tried the world. did against australia you know. that anything is possible if you if you play well we can solve it if there are any means even side well you know i think obviously injuries and that's with with the times that injuries is a concern and we saw that with the withdrawing kind of kind of not applying adam thompson having applying not being one hundred percent upset the balance of the time and that's why what combinations aside volatile you know injuries is a concern for graham henry. here and read bandages at my butt as a as a as

a problem but he'll be back so hyper about quarter final time and been doing that to give somebody else an option in the end but debate i took this opportunity really well against a study last week so hopefully we've got to cover otherwise was forced on us. for the saving the stay without see further news on the plane crash that killed almost all the luck and what if i saw the team last wednesday. the worldwide manhunt for him lasted for fifteen years. one million new warrant

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tonight the world's ice hockey cupidity united in grief after russia's lokomotiv team was almost entirely wiped out in a plane crash in the city. a commemoration ceremonies been held right in the place with the team was supposed to play sportsmen and fans. also in the program this half of the u.k. government faces legal action as doctors demanded a new inquiry into the shady death of an arms inspector he was the man who revealed britain's new iraq had no weapons of mass destruction head of the invasion. on the middle east build up palestinian start a peaceful campaign for statehood ahead of the un vote while in israel tensions grow it was police clashed with protesters calling for a better government.