for the see we've got it's. the biggest issues get one voice ceased to face with the news makers. welcome to be alone a show where you get the real headlines with none of the mersey we're coming live out of washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster in for alona today we are coming up on ten years since the attacks of nine eleven as a nation still spending billions of dollars and lives on a war on terror started in response to those attacks and with government still spying on citizens through provisions of the patriot act and with many questions about the attack still unresolved how far has the u.s. come one decade later will try to get some answers then we'll talk about the economy as we get ready to hear

a speech from president obama tonight on his jobs plan but first what are the mainstream media missed. all right last night maybe a cottage there was the g.o.p. debate of possible g.o.p. presidential contenders if you did not there has been plenty of recapping today but what we want you to pay attention to is this very jarring moment take a look. your state has executed two hundred thirty four death row inmates more than any other governor in modern times have you. ok did you catch that that was applause rick perry texas governor getting a loud applause from the crowd for executing more people on death row than any other governor in modern time ok that aside let's hear what rick perry had to say for himself. with the idea that any one of those might have been

innocent. never struggled with that at all the state of texas has a. very solid for a very clear. process in place you will face the old to most justice in the state of texas and that is you will be executed what do you make you. can't miss that more applause but back to rick perry no he loses no sleep over possibly killing innocent death row inmates now in response to all of this the mainstream media did take some time out to talk about this moment and talk about perry's record on the death penalty even raising some concerns about it. rick perry gets a big applause last night at the republican debate by refusing to apologize for his stance on the death penalty cameron todd willingham execution still haunts rick

perry rick perry was asked about if he'd ever lost sleep at night for any of the executions that he ordered to go forward. here's our question though why does it take a big moment on national t.v. with a possible presidential candidate to bring attention to rick perry's record on the death penalty or the issue of wrongful convictions and capital punishment at all we've brought up troy davis for example here on this show just yesterday where has the mainstream media been for him yesterday a date was set for his execution it's going to be later this month that's after u.s. supreme court decision cleared the way if you don't know who's davis well he's a high profile death row inmate who claims he is innocent of killing a savannah police officer now there is no physical evidence linking davis to the crime and seven out of the ten witnesses in his trial later recanted or changed

their testimonies and those are just a few reasons he's become a focal point for anti death penalty activists as well as critics of the u.s. criminal justice system around the world and in fact it's not just davis who has an issue here when it comes to wrongful convictions since one thousand nine hundred eighty nine there have been two hundred seventy three exonerations of wrongfully convicted prisoners through d.n.a. evidence seven eighteen of them did time on death row seventeen were going to be killed by the state that's according to the innocence project and that makes a clear case for caring about this issue that extends far beyond rick perry's governorship and far beyond the borders of texas now for perry's part the two thousand and four execution of cameron todd willingham who you see right there has raised questions about whether perry did in fact allow an innocent man to be executed willingham was executed for an arson that many fire experts believe he did

not commit perry denied a stay of execution for this man based on new scientific and. alice says that there was no evidence of arson at his house so there is a clear case for that that's perry for the mainstream media's part we applaud them a little no pun intended for finally devoting some headlines to perry's death row record after the spectacle at the g.o.p. debate last night but that it took a sensational moment for them to devote any attention to an issue they have been missing while other innocent lives are possibly being lost that is what the mainstream media missed. all right we're coming up here on the ten year anniversary of nine eleven and though we know about osama bin laden's death and wars that have cost the country

one point two trillion dollars at least that's according to the national priorities project there is still a lot we don't know questions remain about just what u.s. intelligence agencies knew before the attacks how the attacks could have been prevented and whether the al qaeda militants who flew planes into the world trade center had the support of states believed to be u.s. allies saudi arabia remains a big question mark now some possible reasons for these unanswered questions well for one reports the majority of the nine eleven commission's investigative records remain sealed in the national archives this is even though the commission had told the archives to make most of this material public back in two thousand and nine and just to remind you the nine eleven commission issued their report back in two thousand and four so what are some of those records that the public still has not allowed to see well reportedly a thirty page summary of a two thousand and four interview with president bush and vice president dick

cheney the only time the two were formally question about the events surrounding the nine eleven attacks also a vast and. of information on al qaeda and u.s. intelligence efforts before the attacks and those years before now this the nine eleven commission report records that we haven't seen in addition to it there are twenty eight pages which were redacted from the congressional joint inquiry into nine eleven that was finished back in two thousand and two now those pages have never been declassified here to talk about why all of this is and maybe to help us figure some of nine eleven mysteries up our next guess they've combed through the thousands of official documents that have recently been made available not to mention done countless interviews in the years since nine eleven to write this book joining me from our new york studio is anthony summers and robin swan they wrote this book you see here the eleventh day the full story of nine eleven and osama bin

laden i want to thank you guys both so much for being with me now one of the big takeaways from the adaptation of your book that i read was your evidence of saudi arabia's possible connection to nine eleven and the hijackers of course to remind people fifteen of the hijackers were from saudi arabia and of course saudi arabia being an ally of the united states so what do you see as saudi arabia's connection to nine eleven. i think it's complicated but it can be put simply. to fold in the use. leading up to the. saudi arabia and that means really the royal family the government of saudi arabia which are the same thing we're concerned that some of bin laden would turn his guns effectively on the regime would work towards an overthrow of the rogue regime in saudi arabia and to that end what we would call if we were studying not the

soviets but say organized crime them out here they paid protection money millions of dollars in money that came direct from the saudi official purpose were paid by princes whom we've named in the book to under some of bin laden to make sure that they weren't attacked in saudi arabia the second interesting level is the level of which that evidence and we've just developed more of this but the two official investigations found the vestiges of evidence that the saudis in california. produced a sort of support network for the first future nine eleven hijackers the first of the terrorists to land in the united states twenty months before the operation was carried up and just in the last few days i've been able to to develop information

that there was a similar support network in west florida so are you saying essentially that according to all of the sources and documents that you called that saudi arabia was a state sponsor of the nine eleven hijackers. and i'm not saying exactly that not to say that the entire regime was behind. nine eleven i'm saying that elements of the saudi regime were probably go. now i noticed one thing and it kind of you just touched upon it and it's not exactly clear what the role was. but there are a number of conflicting reports among the sources that you interviewed so do you feel you have decisive evidence that saudi arabia some elements played a role or do you feel like there is still a gray area. we think there is a bit of a gray area because there are sort of two different things that could have happened some of the evidence suggest a support network for the terrorists in

a very negative way saudi officials themselves came out after nine eleven and talked about the fact that american intelligence was at fault for not listening to their saudi counterparts who they claimed had very good ties into al qaida and were in fact surveilling some of the terrorists and had warned the u.s. government of. some of their presence now which way does this cut. the saudis surveilling the nine eleven hijackers was it an intelligence operation gone wrong or as the more negative information portrays it was there this element of support and money being funneled to the hijackers it is still a gray area what we need is to see those twenty eight pages you talked about of the joint inquiries report released. they were not released under president bush president obama has told members of the nine eleven commission nine eleven families

that they would release the pages that still has not happened it's time to let that to document be released in full there if there's nothing there's nothing to hide then there's no reason not to release it the saudi government itself claims that they're happy for it to be released so then why do you think it hasn't because in your excerpt i read you have evidence from sources saying that george bush didn't really said because it would effect the u.s. as a relationship with saudi arabia because it would also protect possibly u.s. agencies that might look bad but under obama who you mentioned. said in the past that he will make this information public why do you think it hasn't been. and we didn't say it officially he said it through the window of when when the brief some of those met i'm sure to the inauguration and i believe. one of the most him said look it's the twenty eight pages of this report senator graham former senator

graham who co-chair of the committee wants them released could you show your way to go to a number of eastern he said world yes i think i would but i think that was possibly . a chance remark that he he wished he hadn't made that he would get back the bottom line is oil oh it was the bottom line under president bush and it's the bottom line now on to the president ministration i have to say that although we can only speculate because there's so much secrecy surrounding this whole about it that the american administrations have appeared to put the importance of the oil relationship with saudi arabia above the interests of the troops of the american public knowing the truth so do you believe that you have evidence that if this report was released it would change the relationship between the u.s. and saudi arabia and does exactly you're talking about access to oil. i don't know

we haven't seen much in those pages so we can't answer that question ok what about as far as what else came out of your reporting that is either gray in the nine eleven commission's reports or believed to be in those redacted pages of the congressional inquiry aside from state sponsors of terror what else really stuck out to you. well there's one intriguing story that you may have seen referenced in today's new york times which is the story of the u.s. defense of its own air space on them. nine eleven which is told very vividly in the audiotapes from the n.s.a. and from the nor out and in the transcripts of those in the in the files of the nine eleven commission what we've been able to do which no one else has been able to do is piece together the story of the shoot down authorization. that on that morning at one point when many planes were appeared to be errant and perhaps

hijacked. it became necessary for a decision to be made as to whether or not there would be authorization given to shoot down a civilian airliner now this is and susan that should only be made by the president or by the secretary of defense or by the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff on the morning of nine eleven the very best evidence now shows and we documented very carefully in our book that that decision was in fact made by the vice president who was not in that chain of command and passed along and cost along to people under beneath him outside the ordinary military chain of command very interesting information coming out that you're piecing together ten years later sense for much of the public we have been able to with with the document that haven't been released we certainly appreciate you coming on the show thanks so much everyone should read the book. thank you thank you. and still to come tonight ten

years after the september eleventh attacks a look at how the u.s. reacted with leasing changes to national security nicholas to be editor in chief of reason t.v. and reason dot com will be here in just a moment. but she was the shame of you are here because you are the boss taliban is a nine eleven what has been accomplished what has been as america's so-called entire i mean the u.s. and the world safer place. in what. the official t. up location to go on so long pulled talk from the dumpster. like on the. video on demand. an r.s.s. feed now in the palm of your. question on the

dot com. welcome back well if you've been to minnesota maybe you know that it's home to one of the largest malls in the us the mall of america and with a mall that spans two miles filled with stores you can imagine that there mall security have to be able to handle and protect a large number of people thanks to t.l.c. we got a chance to see just how this group operates in their reality series mall cops mall of america to the average shopper move america is tomorrow's read to know what. is a secret training facility in home to its elite security force. known as raid its churches protecting the largest mall in america from possible tear attacks or anyone who may inflict or. as you can see there's

a group of mall cops they're known as ram is a node joke they train as if they're part of a small army and that is thanks in large part to the head of mall security who is incidentally a former israeli defense forces sergeant now throughout the series you can see how this group of law enforcement takes a very serious approach to counterterrorism. won't come to use their behavior in their own suspected skin hundreds of troops passengers looking for any would maybe hard to move terrorists. now this group's idea of style training may show but doesn't go too far in their counterterrorism efforts the center for investigative reporting at n.p.r. released a new report on wednesday showing how ram security practices do in fact violate civil rights the report shows how mall of america security team goes after individuals who are taking pictures or even just appear nervous when being approached by cops in the c.i.r. n.p.r.

report one hundred twenty five incidents were recorded and when you look at the statistics only thirty four percent of the individuals questioned were white sixty five percent shows ran interrogated blacks or individuals of middle eastern descent what's even more surprising is that almost half just forty nine percent of those who were interrogated had their information forwarded to other law enforcement agencies now some of those other agencies include the minnesota police but some of these individuals had their profiles sent to customs enforcement the joint terrorism task force and the f b i and we should note that in a majority of those interrogations between ram and a questionable individual any photos that the individual had taken were confiscated and in some cases people were subjected to deport deportation hearings based on their interaction at the mall of america so let's connect the dots here almost two thirds of those people who were deemed suspicious were not white and approximately

half of those were subsequently reported to major intelligence groups like isis or terrorism task forces or the f.b.i. . does this sound like a case of profiling to anyone should people really have to worry about going to a local mall fearing that they'll be placed on some sort of suspicious persons list with the f.b.i. when they leave or face possible deportation and for what taking photos at the mall of america especially when the u.s. is in a recession whether you think it's extreme or not it may go to show that in our post nine eleven society when it comes to surveillance and security these days maybe anything goes. and along those lines let's stick to our coverage of the ten year milestone since the attacks of nine eleven ten years later the country still finds itself involved in wars started in response in iraq afghanistan covert wars in countries such as pakistan the country still also finds itself under an expanded net of domestic surveillance with the patriot act alive and well and allowing law

enforcement to search people's phone records or e-mails with much more ease than ten years ago now wars and policies were started in the name of the war on terror under a republican president george w. bush but they've continued under democratic president barack obama even though he may not call it the war on terror in speeches officially so what exactly does political party mean when it comes to these supposed issues of national security joining me to talk about this is nicole s.b. he's editor in chief of reason t.v. and reason dot com and co-author of the book the declaration of independence how libertarian politics can fix what's wrong with america thank you so much for being with us so first i don't know if you heard the story we just did but i want to ask you if you think in this situation where you see the mall of america cops being trained by i.d.f. sergeants and counterterrorism and they send this information on suspicious mall patrons to the f.b.i. do you see this as a result of

a post nine eleven mentality toward security in america that people have just come to accept you know i remember a lot of what is the most troubling you know the model. security compromising said is that we've become inert to you know just the idea that of course it makes sense so people are going to be spying on one another and that a places like malls we're going to have stepped up irrespective of any actual threats or any any reason to believe that you know the next nine eleven is going to happen on a rollercoaster in the mall of america that it makes sense to have heightened security everywhere. you know it's troubling but it's i also don't think it's surprising in a lot of ways the united states we are glad you had been one of the lacking in countries throughout throughout europe as well as the rest of the world and putting these types of things in place it doesn't make it good but it does kind of make it understandable so do you think it's necessary then is this is this the adequate response ten years later tonight

a lot and and it just i think what what we need to look at nine eleven is you know what are the the fact is is that we have had very overblown reaction both big and small that you know the most obvious over reactions to the model up with attacks were not the necessarily the initial invasion of afghanistan but but our continuing presence there certainly the invasion of iraq which was completely unrelated to anything going on in monologue and libya i don't think that we would have been invading libya the way that we are absent nine eleven so those are chewed things that when you start looking at the smaller things that affect those on very daily level i mean the creation of the transportation security administration a lot of the kind of ongoing violations many of which we will never know the full extent of things that sneak and peek warrants and hand roving wiretaps things like that all which had been pushed by the clinton administration long before nine eleven then they were attacks of nine eleven allowed them to become legislative

wall and then obama who talked about sunsetting some of these things are rethinking that as in fact just continued exactly doing what george bush it on in. you know so you see a huge amount of overreaction both big and small or large and small foreign and domestic and i think the most impressive thing about this is that none of that is actually tied to any realistic threat that we're supposed to let me really surprising considering all the money spent but i want to touch on some of these things don't know why they are you know there is clearly there are enemies of america there are you know that nine eleven happened you know it's not like that didn't happen so we should just ignore it or anything but we've been spoiled spending hundreds of billions of dollars on intelligence operations as well as on foreign foreign policy initiatives and things like that there's no reason to believe that if you know in two thousand or two thousand one of four hundred billion or five hundred billion dollars in defense money didn't keep us safe from nine eleven literally doubling that amount and then making sure that people go in

and out of buildings and malls and across america that somehow that's going to make us safer the threat level has not increased but what has happened is the response and we live somewhat i mean it's a low grade fever it's a low grade version of the cold war but we are in a in a different america and one that is not demonstrably safer but it is more and more annoying it's made is certainly more and i especially friday that travels but ten years later my question for you is why do you think you know on capitol hill here in washington when we see so much dispute between parties where they can't pass a budget or raise the debt ceiling because they can't agree how come lawmakers can come together to pass a an extension of the patriot act as we saw in may which spies on americans right now and you know one thing that was heartening about. the extension of the patriot act is that it was morrow they were there was at least the debate about it you know ten years after and there were

a couple of intermediate steps in there i think the main reason is is twofold one is that we turn to forget that the security apparatus and the defense industry in america. the military industrial complex and the security complex the law enforcement complex this is both bipartisan and shoot julie powerful and influential these guys and women in this industry have the ear of legislators when you factor in on top of that a continuing problem among democrats that they're afraid to look weak on crime they're afraid to look weak in terms of foreign diplomacy war and stuff like that they're more than willing to go along and sound tough i mean one of the one of the least reported facts there really should be discussed a lot especially coming into the two thousand and twelve presidential election is that barack obama's ten year budget plan you know that he released earlier this year actually over that ten year period increases the fund spending more than paul ryan and the republicans budget why is that exactly why do we need to go to you

know from spending about eight hundred billion dollars a year on defense to a billion trillion dollars a year under obama whereas even paul ryan only puts it up at about eight hundred fifty billion and those numbers i mean the ryan number should be have those a starting point for serious discussion about getting what we pay for when it comes to homeland security that's i from that as i've been the dollars and cents look at the principles of that because it sounds like you're saying a lot of this you believe has to do with with interest with the money by military industrial complex that i was not because i want to you know all of these are these are people you know politician i mean and this is what it you know the whole the role of idiology you know party kind of partisanship is not to reveal the truth like the real character of the party says to obscure the fact that the republicans and democrats agree on about ninety five percent of everything with you know when they talk about cutting spending and things like that they're haggling you know there are you know they're haggling over pennies really compared to the large scale of things and the fact of the matter is we're obama campaigned as

a war president he you know he kind of made flimsy hand gestures that he was a peace candidate but what he said was that i don't believe in so. wars or wars and he didn't indicate that he thought american foreign policy as it's currently being executed was all right so sorry to cut you off we're out of time i hear what you're saying though it's a continuation of the same that doesn't seem like it's going to end anytime soon nick gillespie from reason dot com and reason the reason t.v. thanks for being here argue. in our thursday edition of show and tell is coming up and tonight president obama will deliver his jobs plan to congress but can the obama and can obama and congress actually agree on a plan that would jump start the sluggish economy or the topic in just a minute. how

to get and this is the headlines. together in grief memorial service is taking place across europe as the world's eyes hold the community remembers the forty three victims of the plane crash in central russia an emotional ceremony has also been held at this stage even batteries for the team was supposed to play the season's pretty much. also the british government faces legal action as a group of doctors demand a new inquiry into the death of bombs is trying to deal with any it was the first to reveal britain in the wrong had no weapons of mass destruction ahead of the u.s. led invasion in two thousand and three. president barack obama lays out his much anticipated jobs before congress to invest more than four hundred billion dollars in pushing people back from one of the special emphasis on construction while his teachers on the long term unemployed this comes as struck nation on the job market in the world's largest economy raises concerns over the of that it's you have these .