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knowledge of these phenomena is very limited. copies quote if you will at that this situation increases the number of suspects i understand the authorities approach much more not to give any explanation rather than totally tonight they got think about the u.f.o.'s they have never been categorically denied by anyone got if ever there was a huge fraud to complain used at a macroscopic level it is u.f.o.'s. why isn't there appropriate research financed by
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a corporation or company lets do serious research tell me where these came true but it was an airplane will fly there to analyze these trails is that so difficult about that. if there isn't anything to hide i don't understand why not to say to the citizens that you don't have to worry because these visual trails don't affect in any way the health nor the climate if no one does this it's probably because there is the answer that it is better not to properly discuss the issue or that it is better not to give any answer at all. with a military machine is similar to the mechanism of an organization unfortunately everybody becomes a number in this combination. obviously an algebraic variation cannot change anything
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where the algebraic result is hardly variable about the wishes to find wise and conscientious people and high command rules people who are able to accomplish their mission in the best way to get out of. a deal. about it with tragedy is that in war time the leading principle allowed where allowed where to use a french expression concerning ethics and any other value is doomed to be put aside it's like a football match that has to be won any cost. for goals and acts of heroism made by someone who is not in harmony with the rest of the scenario as a romantic appeal but it is not in the conditions to modify anything. an act of passion from those in command would be necessary for so much up to me every
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person has his own will every commander has his own autonomy that every commander has to be responsible for his own men good commanders are able to achieve a ghoul keeping an eye on the loss of a good commanders able to impose an order or even to change it is just basically people's autonomy as one of resistance i also think that when you are really involved in a conflict the reactions can be quite different. but. when we find something able to dissolve the concept of four and we see it in daily relationships each one of us decides not to make war to all the people around us probably this thing could become popular sleep contagious i don't know how many of us could have these purposes also because we experience injustice daily we accept to get a job by pulling strings. because that is already a gesture of war. we trample on the dreams of who was hoping to achieve
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a start and a goal that is already a gesture of war because we trample on the dreams of those who were hoping to achieve a certain goal. i have always been optimistic i'm sure the good guys at the end when the same as in the movies to wish for a happy ending is a common wish both out of i have to say that we should use the difficult times to rediscover the real values probably we could rediscover our identity if it's a matter of identity if we are able to look at ourselves in the mirror and say i am a good person to make it i maybe we could be tempted to really become good yes.
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this jobs bill this bill passed his jobs bill passed this bill after sounding like a broken record i guess we no know what the president wants but is obama really the man with a plan for the economy or was this john keats just a bid to secure his job security. we don't know so that's cause because your former neighbor heard about it because a brother we're. not even anything about nine eleven so if afghanistan civilians have no idea why the u.s. invaded their country what terror intelligence did the u.s. miss in the first place. and it's not just countries the u.s. attacked after nine eleven a personal freedoms came under fire as well so in
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a post nine eleven world or assaults on human rights are now considered the norm. hey there it's friday september ninth five pm in washington d.c. i'm christine frizz out there watching our team. jobs and the economy now this is one these are two issues that just about anyone whether they're republican or democrat independent will tell you are the two most important issues and the most significant challenges the u.s. is facing as a country it's also the reason president obama called a joint session of congress and made a rousing speech last night laying out what he calls the american jobs act now the nuts and bolts of this plan include the creation of more jobs for construction workers teachers the trends and for long term unemployed the president says he wants to provide a tax break for companies who hire new workers and also wants to cut payroll taxes
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in half for every working american and every small business he says it will also be paid for if you missed it we have a highlight reel i guess you could call it take a look i'm sending this congress a plan that you should pay us right away pass this jobs bill pass this bill passes jobs bill pass this bill. pass this jobs bill this is jobs bill this is the way. you should pass it one word you should begin right away. on the way this is jobs bill passes jobs bill this is jobs that. you should pass it right away this is jobs bill you should pass this jobs plan right away so i guess we know what the president wants and before the speech you saw those clips of speaker of the house john boehner talking to the vice president about his golf game looks like there's some interesting places that some of the
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people in power are at right now we're guarding what america needs now earlier i talked to max fried wolf he's an economist for the new school i asked him if his plan is easy and even feasible here's his take. from an economic perspective this is a fairly moderate play and most of what's in it has been tried and it's an extension or evaluation or reformulation of things we've done often successfully in the past so there's nothing super bowl there unique about this it doesn't break the mold it doesn't think outside the box and it doesn't propose anything five standard deviations from the norm economically it should be fairly easy to do we should be debating whether or not it's big enough whether or not it's targeted in the right places and whether or not it might be another daily and another dollar short politically it may not be possible but that has something to do with the fact that we do have one of the two major parties more or less to hold in to a strategy that the democrats form something a little bit like
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a cult of personality around president obama and the republicans have built a strategy that they feel is working for them and some of the polls suggest they might be right of a sort of anti cult of personality or a cult of anti personality and that gives our polity this strange dysfunctional format it's been following within which it's almost a world upside down to borrow a phrase from a do our job galliano much more poetic speaker on such subjects than myself and so i don't really know how you'd characterize it yes certainly it will be interesting and i think a lot of all eyes will be on sort of how this plays out especially in the come the coming days the politics of it all but i want to talk about some of the specifics here i mean access to what extent do you think that regulations could slow down some of these projects president obama laid out a lot of projects and it seems at this day and age every project needs you know an environmental impact study surveys i think it was george well he said the other day
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you know you couldn't build the hoover dam today because they discover a snail darter in the colorado river and the e.p.a. would stop it you know and let's compare for a for a second the plant that we have here in the u.s. to china people you know people. would be displaced animals of be killed in trees or be cut down but whatever it is that needed to be built in china most likely would get done so i'm wondering what you think you know if we want to get these jobs going will there need to be a drastic change in some of these regulations sure i mean often it feels like i think it could be a little overdone but it often feels like that one thing that everyone can agree on in united states right left and center is to stand in the way of a good project that we obviously need on the other hand we are capable of getting things done we want to get them even if they do a lot more than damage some snail habitats etc we are fighting multiple wars with real human casualties every day we do have live with fifteen million unemployed
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people or twenty five million unemployed underemployed people we live with a situation of one in eight of our people one in five or six in many disturbed populations economically disturbed populations on food stamps we live with an illiteracy rate that is not the envy of the first world that we live with a high school dropout rate in many parts of the country that it's not unheard of in the developed world so i think we should be a little careful about saying we're a shangri-la of political correctness when we want something and we need something and enough people get behind it we can get it done but i'd be the first to admit your question has a real basis you know unfortunately it's a good question and that is we have been alarmingly and shockingly poor at moving mountains when it comes to the structural changes our economy or our economic misadventure absolutely screams out for let me ask you this you know if you were a betting person what a wise investment and i mean ten years ago people who invested in armored humvees and made some good money with all the wars that we got involved in so what do you
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say i mean if you listen to president obama's speech you take it as a cue to invest in construction equipment. construction equipment business has done pretty well on the rest of the world including caterpillar and large american construction businesses maybe not so much recently where the markets are in a massive turmoil i think we may have reached an unusual interesting point where we've gone as far as we can with the price of companies going up without macro economies being a lot stronger than they have been so probably to keep asset prices even investment expected of asset prices up going forward we need to see some economic recovery there are those asset classes that people historically associate with doing well in bad times that are sometimes called the vice plays things like tobacco and alcohol and porn shops and that kind of thing and there certainly is more than a little bit of evidence that as people lose confidence in various developed country governments gold is a place that a lot of people are comfortable hiding out that being said the real investment we need is to invest in our collective future with
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a functioning economy that has inclusive growth and we desire which people can hold their head up have some dignity support themselves support their family and invest in the dreams that they need as individuals and we need as a society all right make sure a lot of come true that's credible if economist with the new school in our new york studios thanks so much all right moving on to the anniversary ten year anniversary of nine eleven i think now that it has been a full decade a lot of people are starting to ask lots of questions what have we learned and how are we changed our c correspondent maria port i took a look at this very question and has more. ten years ago america was blocked by unprecedented terror. nearly three thousand innocent lives were lost in a post nine eleven world was born. our war on terror.
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begins. but it does not in their. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found stopped and defeated washington's military reach began with the high growth summit in modern america strikes afghanistan is home to put bombs and missiles in the air and then a preemptive pounding into iraq. in the decade that followed america's fight for freedom has been stained by torture secret detention and rendition human rights violations symbolized by landmarks like want hanum obey abu ghraib and the bob graham airbase prison we had garnered the empathy not only of the world the muslim world and if we had the courage to be vulnerable. we would be far safer and more secure than we are today instead we drank deep from that very dark lick sort of
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nationalism journalist and author chris hedges says america's terror unleashed throughout the middle east has opened a pandora's box of evil estimates are over a million iraqi dead since the invasion. you know hundreds and hundreds of civilians killed in pakistan thousands killed in afghanistan not to mention millions of people displaced in refugee camps something that the terror that we have unleashed will not go on. it is and it will strike us eventually however in a post nine eleven america citizens have been forced to compromise their freedom in the name of security the past decade has paved the way for a new state practices such as warrantless wiretapping intrusive airport screening and greater authority for law enforcement what some call a police state in the making as this national security state we rose as it becomes
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easier for the government to scrutinize and niceness in all aspects of our lives i think of the earth. we worried about this the issue here is larger than just the specific isolated foreigners it is a behavior that is all around us and much of it may be right here at home from people in our own country. since nine eleven a rising tide of islamophobia has passed through this formerly tolerant nation according to the f.b.i. the four men intended to carry out their plan today dozens of muslim americans have been arrested and convicted in so-called f.b.i. for oil terror plots plots that were orchestrated and manufactured by government paid informants these cases have been created by the government and yet we're supposed to feel safer because criminals that would not have come up with a plot how to knock and drop them on a platter by the u.s.
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government are now in jail and we have you know snowball in the parlance that's going on around the world only raise more hatred only brings more but feelings only reinforced many americans very violent and my narratives of american imperialism around the world and we i think we've created more enemies than friends you know be targeted communities rather than making them partners not only has it not made us any safer i think that it has undermined the very fabric of american society the fabric of a post nine eleven america the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden the leader of al qaeda still waging war in the name of freedom america's campaign against terror began at the arsenal striker but in the ten years that followed the military the seeds of most. people then he turned thirty around the world the man behind nine eleven may have been captured but
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international safety has yet to be the liver arena for not artsy me. all right savant a look at how a few things have changed in the last decade now on to another question what have we learned looking back there is some evidence that has led people to call the attacks on nine eleven a failure not of intelligence but of connecting the dots americans since then have been promised intelligence reform have they gotten it ten years later or what about all those other theories about what happened that day have they been given any more credence joining us now for more from our new york studio is lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer a senior fellow at the center for advanced defense studies hey there i want to start off really simple question i know this is an area that you've studied what have we learned and where are we still lacking. well we've learned that the threat no learns very quickly how to adapt i don't believe that we've invested well in
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this big trillion dollars we spent over the past ten years because there's the old american adage you could lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink so while i think that we've paid a lot of money relating to conducting operations overseas afghanistan i do believe we should have declared victory in zero three and left iraq the intel was not there to justify the action and now at this point we're looking at these new threats were were not is well prepared as we should and let me let me answer that in two parts first. we've made a lot of intelligence reforms they change the community bad resources but they've not change the culture that's why you saw the near miss of the thighs all shazad. as you kind of alluded to the pieces are all there is just they were put together so today's terrorism alert the second part of my answer is indicative of a system which is over reacting the idea of so publishing an eight page document about a specified unspecified threat spins in
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a body up but this is not helpful and actually putting resources where they need to be to help prevent terrorism attack what about just focusing specifically again you know we've seen so many times. then that evidence that came out you know in august of two thousand and one. connecting the dots didn't happen right so many ways we have the f.b.i. they have the cia we have the n.c.t. the national counterterrorism center how many more you know levels of bureaucracy are there and is it important to keep some of these agencies separate to what extent do you think will need to change immensely. the agencies have separate distinct missions however the information sharing should be totally integrated and seamless and that's just not happening you again it goes back to my answer of the culture you can change the infrastructure all you want if you have the same people who did or did not share information before they're going to do it again and that's what we're seeing here is too much layering i spoke to one of the nine eleven
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commissioners about three years ago about his view of did they get it right is the director of national intelligence what you as a commissioner who understands intelligence is that what you want and he said absolutely not they do not want another bureaucracy nonfunctioning bureaucracy sitting on top of other layers of bureaucracy we're supposed to streamline not make more complex so this is why you see the information sharing and the near misses. faisal shazad i would also argue major assad was preventable as well had people looked at everything in totality so we've not really made ourselves any safer and i think it's just a matter of time before someone who is looking at our system goes around again or has been able to figure out how to go through the system in such a way to not be detected and you get the sense was an internal say for that this is something that is actively being worked on certainly there's so much information that neither you or i can be privy to based on you know the necessary secrecy of it but do you get the sense that you know you say peter that things are just happening
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the same way that they happened before do you think that there are people that are in the white house trying to rethink this think outside the box to change it. well . honestly i don't believe so i think status quo is where we're at there's going to have to be some necessary changes regarding budget we're spending far too much money it's just not sustainable and i still believe you'd need to look at value added what is the value added of having these layers of bureaucracy so fundamentally no i don't believe based on the recent attacks that were fundamentally better understanding the other thing to remember the terrorist groups we're talking about primarily al qaeda they have a very long memory and they're very patient between the ninety three world trade center center bombing and two thousand and one was was almost a decade we're now at a decade after nine eleven these folks don't think in terms of months they think in terms of decades so as much as we may study us we try to study them and we always
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have to get it right to prevent the attacks they only have to figure out what to get around us to be to be successful we stop a lot of attacks but a lot more are inevitable as i see it and you mentioned early on on what most people say now which is that there was not private credible intelligence to go to iraq in the first place you also said you know the u.s. should have left afghanistan back in two thousand and three to what extent do you think that's way in these countries has made the terror threat. well two reasons first the drone program for example one of the things that one of the recent former obama administration officials talked about as being bad i agree you're creating generations of terrorists we don't have to do i'm not saying we should use drones we should use boots on the ground and grab people because when you kill someone you lose the intelligence value of being able to talk to them secondly and more importantly in many ways is the fact that we have done all this military activity we've reacted but we've really not thought to understand the root
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of the problem terrorism is a symptom of a larger issue there's this radicalism which continues to be an issue for a lot of countries not just america it continues to be something that is the fundamental cause for the terrorism something which even most western countries such as the french and british are still dealing with with no clear understanding of how we're going to deal with this this this radicalization and that really has to be what we look at for the future to really resolve this for the long term and here in new york and i'm in washington d.c. i know that most people watching right now have heard in the last twenty four hours a new quote credible threat come out regarding our two cities what are you seeing it was undefined and what do you thing in hearing. are people changing their attitude their people just going about their days what are your thoughts on. well. two examples here in new york traffic is channelized is down to one lane it took me a long time to get over the studio i almost missed our interview with that said i want to union station to take the train up here and i got to union station
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a tempest of noone was able to get my ticket on the train in less than ten minutes through the amtrak security so i'd like to believe that actually is on top of things and not being critical of amtrak they they were they have a dog they have people looking at folks but for the most part we've already got security measures in place so what more can we do and what we're already doing don't forget we've been essentially on some form of alert specially new york city for the past ten years so most new yorkers are saying what's different this time than the last and this could be dangerous because you work people down because people become less apt to understand and look around so this is where we're at we've had ten years of being on alert we have another credible but not defined threat and people just don't know what to do and i think that's where we're at this point really interesting though it does seem that the very significant anniversary has people are a little more tense and i want to switch gears now to a question about not just what has changed here in this country but the question of what it's like in afghanistan and how much people should in afghanistan know about
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why american troops are in the country in the first place i know last year a report came out from the international council on security and development that basically showed that ninety two percent of those surveyed had never even heard of the attacks on us right now on september eleventh that report also showed that four in ten afghans believe that the u.s. is in its country for one of the reasons either to occupy it or to destroy islam now this undergrounds if i want to show you a report by british journalist on adam five looking into this question of what it's like on the ground in afghanistan he's there and has this report we'll bring you back to talk about it. chirk. helmand in southern afghanistan this province that was borne the brunt of the fighting between the taliban and coalition forces what would afghans in this war torn problems think about nine eleven and its consequences. while on patrol with the marines like a first of june.
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