language cafeteria refuse new peers or an associate's i find it hard to believe that former commander of u.s. forces gets that ruler interiorly decided to resign from the military i'm sure each he had an option he would never resign from. it take a look now at some other stories making headlines across the globe libya's rebels say they're close to capturing the town of bani walid one of four remaining get off the strongholds his supporters have been given till saturday to lay down their arms with fierce fighting continuing near the city of sirte three khadafi loyalists have been killed one rebel fighter reported dead colonel gadhafi is audio messages claim he's still in libya despite reports of his family and some associates crossing the border in tunisia where meanwhile interpol has issued arrest warrants for both the colonel and his son saif al islam. syrian protesters say a levin people were killed in the latest round of anti-government rallies across

the country on friday thousands of demonstrators appealed for international help in the face of what he cracked out by security forces more than twenty two hundred people are thought to have been killed since march the authorizing that's called for president bashar assad to step. a state of emergency has been declared in the u.s. states of new york and pennsylvania after torrential rains from tropical storm lee cause catastrophic flooding some towns were submerged as a river burst its banks with water that's also appeared to be toxic at least seven people have been killed more than one hundred thousand evacuated. care in the decade that followed the nine eleven attacks washington's campaigns in iraq and afghanistan were aimed at rooting out the causes of terror ten years later do people feel any safer the resident laurie harford staff people on the streets of new york what they think. at that gate after the horrible man eleven terrorist attacks on the us how is the

world change this week let's talk about back to where. i was say more dangerous but it's more like our tick saw things are predictable you don't know what that's going to happen next to life is much intense i think so no. every day can be the last and you think people around the world feel this way. i think in europe in america i think so i don't know you kind of more aware of it for it just more on the lookout do you think there are people all around the world still keep that vigilance ten years later probably not as much as we did five years ago do you think that the amount of lives lost in the name of the war on terror has been worth feeling safer i think it's a difficult thing the common arms to be honest i have a lot of friends that have fought over there and i would say it's hard every time

they leave i'm not for war so no i don't think war is to make us feel safer if everyone lives his own business i think everything would be better if we had been here in new york last week. several places. places we find this a lot of security so we understand all that as such because it wasn't before but it's something we have to. live with. so we might be safer but we have to give up some things for that well i don't see will be safe we try to pick a safer we pretend to be as they pretend to be safer that's right i mean spirit if somebody wants to solve it was there is there anything that anyone can do or is it just what's going to happen is going to happen i don't know people should be. should change their way of thinking way of treating people like accepting that people can be different and not just my way is the right way and let's kill

everybody this is not right no matter what you think it's changed the bottom line is we can only hope the world continues to strive to be a safe place. returning to our top story at their home stadium russia's city of you is honoring the players of its lokomotiv ice hockey team who perished in a plane crash on wednesday you're watching live pictures here from the memorial ceremony where the team last train before boarding that ill fated plane to minsk families are joined by the club's many fans as about seven thousand people had gathered for this heartfelt farewell burial for the crash victims what happened later today there remains a foreign players for the club have already been returned to their home countries we'll bring you more of the warning from the city of jaroslav as it happens here on r.g.p. . we're

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eleven thirty am in moscow here are the headlines brushes city of jaroslav all that is saying an emotional farewell to the victims of wednesday's plane crash tragedy claimed the rise of almost all of the local ice hockey team these are live pictures you're looking at from lokomotiv stadium in yarrow slothful hyper commemoration service. the u.s. prepares to commemorate the september eleventh attacks with security stepped up to protect against the possible new attack the war on terror at least that day now feared by some to be an even greater threat to global security. hundreds of egyptians storm israel's embassy in cairo in

a raid by the deaths of private you train border guards last month the israeli ambassador and his family have been flown out of the country. that's the former cia chief and osama bin laden tracker under the spotlight is coming your way. hello again our walk and truth squad like the interview show in our sleep i'll do it all for him today and we're talking to a bad guy until. this year marks the tenth anniversary of september eleventh attacks in the united states two passenger airliners crashed into the world trade center buildings in new york and one tenth of the pentagon building in d.c. almost three thousand people died in the attacks started a new air raid u.s.

led war against terror which is part two major military operation in iraq and afghanistan just two months ago the u.s. enemy number one salad bin ladin was killed in pakistan what did his death really change any of this big ten years now being produced any result except the growing insurgency on the one hand and the flower phobia on the other we're asking the former chief obvious hamad bin laden tragedy units in the cia michael kelly. who were stare at a target in u.s. history terrorists hijacked planes and koresh two of them into the twin tower was of the world trade center in new york city one into the pentagon while the force was presumably targeted at the white house and washington but crashed into a build the horrific attacks which al qaeda eventually admitted left some three thousand innocent people died and created a perception that no place who knows is safe from the threat of extremists from the

media to u.s. response was the war on terror declared by president george w. bush it instigated highly controversial new jury complains in iraq and afghanistan . they were inter has been criticized many times is counterproductive because in a further escalation of violence one of the legacies of nine eleven is the guantanamo bay detention base where l.h. terrorists have been held the markets used there have been condemned by organizations like amnesty international and human rights watch is something which turns you weren't terrorism in turn act of terrorism in itself another sign of the post nine eleven world is a rise in islamophobia increasing with evident in the us and europe to comerica ten years to locate and do him a nato summit bin laden the mastermind of nine eleven months and the death of the

us as most wanted and the mean may spark a mass celebrations in the united states. was assured to walk into the show thank you very much for being with us. well thank you for having me yes thanks mr schorr you say i quote the fundamental flaw in our thinking about bin laden is that muslims hate us for what we are rather than what we do and quote what's your explanation of the reasons for these attacks. we were attacked because of what our government does in the muslim world this was overwhelmingly a defensive response to us foreign policy toward european foreign policy for that matter there is not much difference when it comes to the muslim world and it to fail to understand that is to feel that understand the motivation of our enemy the

appeal of our enemy to the younger generation in the muslim world and really just to kid ourselves to think that killing bin laden really solve the problem it's an ongoing problem it's a worsening problem and least in the united states we have two parties who are resolutely opposed to any any contact with reality on this they want the american people to believe that we're being attacked because we have liberty and elections and gender equality and really the war has almost nothing to do with that. do consider a sum of bin ladin skilling as the major us a victory in the war on terror and a serious blow for the jihadi terrorism. it's a major tactical victory it's a wonderful victory for the cia of the united states special forces we're much better off as a as a country and i probably as an alliance with him dead but the time his long past where he would have been his killing would have been sufficient to end the problem

mr clinton had that opportunity ten or twelve different times in one nine hundred ninety eight nine hundred ninety nine it would have made a real difference there but bin laden it's very good that he's dead he was a very talented very inspirational leader but the movement the islamist movement is much bigger today much more geographically dispersed than it was at nine eleven primarily because of the invasion of iraq. our invasion of iraq and subsequent occupation really created a situation that did for bin laden and al qaeda what it probably could never have done by itself the occupation of iraq made al-qaeda it turned out to rather from a man and a group into a philosophy and a movement and now we're living with that philosophy and that movement is the sure why did you why did you say that bin ladin i quote died a success isn't it ten overestimation of a terrorist step that had to be in deep hiding for the last couple of days or years

rather of his life. i don't think it's an overestimation at all perhaps it's an underestimation solid in loddon was the one person in the muslim world in the arab world especially who stood up and defied the united states in words and deeds and indeed enticed us into coming into afghanistan where we have lost our war so he will be remembered as a very brave man and as someone who is more effective than any muslim government has ever been in challenging the united states but i think more important the west has always missed the point they've they've kind of refused to listen to what osama bin laden said over the past sixteen years and that was al qaeda and bin laden himself were too few in number to ever. defeat the wester to drive the west out of the middle east by themselves and so they took it upon themselves especially

bin laden to inspire other muslims to undertake a jihad against the united states its allies and its client governments in the middle east along with the israelis and i think just objectively if you if you see if you. total up the number of people who are in arms against us in the field today in a number of countries they're operating in an increasingly indigenous violence in the united states and canada in north in europe bin laden died a fully successful in his own terms mr sure you were had of the cia's bin ladden intelligence unit in ninety six ninety nine you mention this period of your life already couple of minutes ago it was your job to provide necessary information to capture you were eliminate the al qaida leader were you receiving the information at that time that he was up to a major attack against the u.s.

was it possible over the average time to neutralize him or not. well certainly it's never been a it's never been hidden from the western from the united states that they intended to attack the united states at home and attack us very severely and as i said earlier in our interview sir the west has been stone deaf to what bin laden has said over the over the course of his active career much in the way that we ignored mine come from hitler wrote it in the one nine hundred twenty s. we would have been better off had we listened to what he said or had we read what he said but we didn't and we took a pounding for russia especially but a lot never made it a secret that he was going to attack inside the united states and indeed i had the honor to lead some very brave and very effective officers and frankly mr clinton had much better information and opportunities to kill osama bin laden than the opportunity that they had the president current president president obama head and

he took the chance he went ahead and did it in the interest of the american people mr clinton was more afraid of damaging his reputation with the europeans and other kind of left wing people if he happened to kill a few civilians along with killing osama bin laden when you when you look at the problems the world has traveling in airspace when you look at the drain on the war of. terrorism and you had the u.s. economy if you look at the inspiration in the gladden and others provided to the to the muslim rebels who russia is fighting in the north caucuses all of that goes back to president clinton's cowardice in not being willing to kill osama bin laden in the late one nine hundred ninety s. you know you pretty critical missed the sure of of president clinton was that the major reason why you resigned back in ninety nine nine hundred. it was a big part of it sir and i'm not just critical of mr clinton i'm critical of any

president of the united states who doesn't put the protection of americans first i think russians would feel the same way about their president or the british about the same their prime minister mr clinton just happens to be the one that i know best because i was responsible for providing information to him. i'm sorry i missed the lead the second part of your question i mean i mean was that the reason your. your criticism of the clinton that you resigned a war you were you rather dismissed from the cia ninety nine. no i resigned i was moved to a different job in may of june of one nine hundred ninety nine we had just gone through a period in the last week of may in one nine hundred ninety nine where we know we knew exactly where osama bin laden was spending the night for five consecutive nights and kandahar city and we could have killed him at any one of those nights and the president decided not to do it and i wrote

a memo that said basically if we don't do this soon we're going to miss our opportunity and a lot of americans are going to die for that and that got me move to another job doing counter-narcotics until until nine eleven i resigned no more because of the failure of the nine eleven commission to find anybody responsible for anything before nine eleven and because they failed to be informed to inform the american people in their report that we're fighting people who are at war with us because of our foreign policy and its impact in their world and not because americans have women in the workplace or because we drink beer and i thought that was a major failure of the nine eleven commission and i thought i should say something about that and i couldn't do it as a serving cia officer says michael show where the former chief of bizarre i'm a bit a lot of the tracking unit at the cia and spondylitis would be factually right off

their breaks i was going to go away just. you can. you come.

welcome back to the spotlight on al green novel and just a reminder that my guest on the show today is michael scheuer the former chief of the as am of bin laden tracking unit of the cia mr scheuer so a you just mentioned the your predictions and you were you aware when you were in the cia. those that mean that the nine eleven events when that tragedy happened that it wasn't it wasn't a shock for you because you expected something like that to happen is that right. that's exactly correct sir and it and i don't like to put the focus on myself anybody who had been working me in against osama bin laden and al qaeda whether it was at cia or the department of defense or anywhere else in the u.s. intelligence community knew that an attack in the united states was coming and

there was no doubt i think in anybody's mind the moment the first plane hit the tower that al qaeda was responsible for it we had developed information as early as one nine hundred ninety five that al qaeda was planning to fly a seven forty seven aircraft passenger aircraft into cia headquarters in virginia so this was no surprise to anybody so just after september eleventh you have been appointed again you came back to the cia as a special advisor to the chief of the bin ladden unit does it mean that that the agency admitted they were wrong and you were right. you know i don't really know what it means i think it means that i had more experience probably than any other senior officer in the u.s. government's in the intelligence community working asama bin laden and after the attacks of nine eleven. a large number of new people were brought in to work

against al qaeda and i think they brought me back primarily because i had an institutional knowledge a long history of working this particular target and i was able to the extent i could help young people understand how the organization worked what was important what was an important i don't think it was anything like a admission of that i was right in and they were wrong it really bet really doesn't make a difference the only thing that mattered after nine eleven was really destroying al qaeda miss the sure but what's your attitude to the conclusions of the so-called nine eleven commission should they be reviewed for meal for the year what i've always been concerned with service and part of the charity or for the nine eleven commission was that all of the intelligence information that was provided to it would be released to the public. and it was before the commission

got it it was it was edited in re dad did to make sure that no sources intelligence sources or methods of acquiring information would be compromised so all of that material is ready to be released whenever whenever they're ready to do it and when that's released i think it will become a very apparent to the american people that there were grievous failures in the senior leadership of the u.s. government particularly in the white house and that the intelligence community as a whole not just cia but n.s.a. and other units really did very well in giving the president a chance to kill america's number one enemy the only person who had declared war on us twice in one thousand nine hundred six and one nine hundred ninety eight so i really do think what what we need to have is the documents that were provided to the nine eleven commission which were promised to the american people work made you publish the book which was called imperial hybris why the west is losing the war on

terror you probably this book back in two thousand and four what made you publish this book and it did losing your job when the cia once again did it. well i resign finally be yes they i resigned. because i wanted to speak publicly about this i think the most important issue for the united states and certainly its allies and nato is to realize there is no way to win this war or to end this war as long as our foreign policies remain the same in the in the muslim world as long as we support whatever the israelis want to do as long as we're the primary backers of the saudi police state as long as we. are dependent on oil in the middle east. all that means this war is that this war will continue that the islamist movement will continue to grow and that we will be in

essence the the engine of islamism because it is our foreign policies and their impact that genuinely motivate the enemies that we face in the field today we certainly have failed miserably in killing enough of the enemy we haven't killed nearly enough of them but killing is never enough you have to have policies there that kind of make recruitment more difficult in the coming generation and so far since nine eleven our policies has remained the same have remained the same and they have spurred recruitment to al qaeda and many many other islamist groups around the world misses sure the u.s. third invasion of afghanistan was the need to get results are the substantial number eleven attack what will the imminent u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan mean for these slimy militancy will the the jihad is come out weakened or maybe rain forest as a result of the campaign in afghanistan. well what we've seen in the last six

months is president obama has surrendered in afghanistan after ten years they have not killed enough of the enemy to even protect the senior people in the afghan government i think the russian people who will remember the efforts of the soviet union in afghanistan and certainly we're going to end up no better the results of our defeat there will be to galvanize the coming generation of young muslims around the world to fight in the jihad i think you'll remember sir that osama bin laden's generation the generation of iman's are we hearing of others was galvanized into a belief that islam could prevail by their success driving the red army out of afghanistan when the united states and its allies leave afghanistan the governments in the west and in washington will dress up. the retreat the surrender as if it was some kind of success but in the muslim world it will be seen for what it is which

is the united states leaving afghanistan without accomplishing any of the goals it set out to accomplish in effect it will be leaving in defeat and just as the soviet withdrawal galvanized the muslim young muslim world in one thousand nine hundred nine the american defeat in afghanistan will galvanize this generation of muslims when we leave in two thousand and twelve or twenty fourteen or whatever date we do leave well then what about the war in iraq was it a mistake to from your point of view i mean i mean did it do good for the war knowing that it was a complete can't can't completely counterproductive sir and i guess i need you know for your viewers i am not an expert on iraq or. what kind of threat saddam hussein posed but the advice that was given to the administration from the people who were working again.