so there's always some kind of mechanism to protect others now what happens this time. the first thing they do they get rid of the usury laws they create institutions like the i.m.f. or adopt institutions like the i.m.f. as a sort of global debt in force or other ones like the s. and p. you have this giant global bureaucracy essentially financial bureaucracy which is dedicated to the principle that no one can ever default. this is crazy and not only economically is it crazy but it's doing exactly the opposite of what people have historically done and if you look at the results well it looks an awful lot like that terrible death trap that everybody was afraid of throughout human history so very correctly you're saying that for the first time in five thousand year history of debt in credit we're in an era now where institutional a creditor is protected versus the debtor exactly in fact they've made bankruptcy laws more difficult they've made lending at interest easier you know the usury laws that we did have were essentially abolished in the beginning of

the eighty's and here in america and similar things happen all over the world suddenly you move from the sort of welfare state noddle where people think they have social benefits this idea where it well you can get credit credits supposed to save the world everyone has for a one k. there as mortgages the poor in the third world are going to be saved by micro credit. meanwhile the terms of the credit are skewed usually in favor of the creditors over the doubters now the result isn't you know most americans i always like to make this point you know we're in a position which looks a lot like a that social disaster there but he was afraid of aristotle we're here today he would think the distinction between someone pulling into debt and selling their children into slavery and someone in debt renting themselves and their family into going to work for somebody else would be probably illegal istic distinction. now on the other hand i think there is reason to hope because well i mean. we're talking

five hundred year cycles here forty years is nothing i mean maybe they got it wrong the first round but there's a lot of room to fix things up ok well in this area of subject of hope i was just looking on the web and stumbled upon a story about kiva dot org which is a peer to peer lending site and over three hundred fifty thousand individuals in the first world loaned money to three hundred fifty thousand people in the third world micro loans. exactly what you're saying was going on five thousand years ago they've extended credit. terms that are reasonable and they have boosted the economy in huge ways so i mean that's a hopeful sign i suppose you could say if that model could be embraced on a slightly larger scale correct absolutely i mean there's a million solutions and the one thing the world doesn't lack is smart people if we put our minds to this it would be very easy to come up with alternative money

systems alternative ways to arrange these things i have friends in asheville who set up a alternative money systems. of software that sort of anybody can use and they've got thousands of people already hooked in who hardly use cash at all and there are many more they simply strange directly with each other and there's a million ways to do it and the other thing is the political mobilization there's a real problem isn't that the lack of alternatives the real problem is the fact that anything is going to be cut off politically and that's why i think what's happening in europe is very hopeful i'm what we have in greece what we have in spain and it's beginning to spread to other countries the way i like to think of it is i think in two thousand and eight they kind of let the cat out of the back you know for all these years i'm saying markets run themselves the people in charge they know what they're doing they may not be very nice people but they're incredibly confident in fact they're the only people who are running economy and of course we're also told jets are sacred and have to be repaid but we learned with the crash was that none of those things were true people had no idea what they were doing they did get bailed out markets do in themselves so once we understand that

money is actually a political arrangement it's a social set of promises that people make to one another well and you know if trillions of dollars worth of debt can be did need to disappear if that's convenient for the big players people are saying is. over right fine if those are the new terms that make sense but if democracy is going to me mean anything now it means everybody gets to weigh in on how promises are made and how they're in the. and that's what people are calling for and demanding and i i think it's very promising and for a political movement actually i have one more question this is from twitter and if you want to ask gas questions on this show go to my twitter account at max kaiser and this is from people the question is are you arguing that money quote in a sense of the exact equivalent end quote is based on coersion not voluntary exchange i think of that it originally emerged in that context and has been

maintained remarkably much through that context if you look at you know where the first circumstance where people started commuting values of figuring out the twenty seven of these equals three of those was mostly legal cases and situations of potential violence i think that coins have been promulgated through military systems and i think that. the current dollar system is closely tied i mean look at the international currency system the current the international currency is the currency of the largest military power that's that's not a coincidence all right david grammer we're going to have to stop there thanks so much for being on the kaiser report claims or having me to the closure of the book is called debt the first five thousand years i recommend you pick it out that's going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacey armor and we thank my guest david graber if you want to send me an e-mail please do kaiser report at r t t v dot are you until next time this is max keiser saying by all.

the. headlines are telling you russia city of god a slob poll says an emotional goodbye victims of wednesday's plane crash that killed almost all of the local ice hockey team. thousands of people streaming into the stadium where a locomotive jaroslav all played i'm sean thomas in jaroslaw as a city mourns and grieves the loss of their starch. the u.s. prepares to remember september eleventh the day that unleashed the war on terror now feared by some to have been an even bigger threat to the world. and egypt declares a state of alert after a crowd storm the israeli embassy in cairo and reached by the killing of five egyptian border guards last month.

just after two pm here in the russian capital and you're watching r.t. the families and fans of russia's local motif ice hockey team gather at the home stadium where the players who died in wednesday's plane crash played their last game russian prime minister vladimir putin also attended to pay his respects to the team our correspondent sean thomas is witnessing the city's grief. thousands of people are streaming it to the locomotive stadium here in jaroslav to pay their final respects it is a cold day it is a rainy day and in many ways the weather echoes the feeling in the air the very sad a heavy and somber tone because this was a much beloved team and they were the stars of this city so people from all over russia the hockey players officials as well as the entire city of you are sol is

coming here to this a stadium people are streaming up by the fourteen caskets of people who perished in this plane crash there were forty three people confirmed dead two people survived it was a multinational team those who are not from jaroslav all were essential to their home countries yesterday and today the fourteen who will be buried here after this a visitation. they are laid to rest so the people can pay their final respects as this three day mourning period starts coming to a close we know of one player who had just proposed to his girlfriend and was planning on getting married and this of course of a very young team their lives tragically cut short we also know of another player who had said i've had enough of hockey but i'm going to play one more season just going to get one more go and of course the first game of the season on their way to minsk the plane crash and of course ending his career and his life one other story

of a flight attendant on board three months ago just got married and was planning to retire from the aviation business she wasn't going to be a flight attendant anymore because she was going to having children as well so a wide range of emotions here and jaroslav all from celebration of the teen in their lives also to the somber sad final goodbyes there's hope of moving forward from the investigation itself to the. getting the announcement that the engines of the plane were fine but there may have been some sort of problem with the fuel. some people are taking comfort in the fact that they are starting to get answers as to what caused this tragedy but moving past that former jaroslava locomotive players have announced that they will come back to help rebuild this team so that there can be this spirit of hockey here. so that they don't have to lose that connection with hockey a sport that this city loves so much but we have the opportunity to actually speak

to some of the younger players of the locomotive franchise the next generation if you will the people who are training to hope to become part of the jaroslava locomotive professional team as a city continues to mourn one very dedicated group of young men have choosing to honor their heroes in a unique way by getting back on the ice with. the ice and play for all the guys who lost their lives in this careers he told us. for these players practicing here is special as it was from this very arena with. their skates for the final time. i met them on the fifth and sixth of september their training sessions before they were confident and optimistic and determined all of them bring very high spirits. one coach working with his youth team was supposed to be on the flight and though he's back working now his fans are still

strong for those affected by this tragic loss i think it's hard hard to put a lot of my family's. defense. ystem. going to. go on michael this everybody and for the next generation of jaroslava locomotive hockey players it's not just about rebuilding the team for the future of the city it's also about getting back on the ice as a form of therapy to help them get through their grief. also i have a strong we still greenberg. you know when the u.s. championship and it became a teacher it all my friends who got it. and while this team practices and even younger group is ready to follow in their footsteps. some of the players who don't mind where from our school they told us about them in count one one hundred eighty page and good team only ever go on to talk mark tidd school i want to be in the new

team that will be the success of not committees next week on the schedules can be tested for the club the county is going to come right cool. proving that even though they have gone from the ice the members of this ill fated locomotive team that will continue to be in the hearts and minds of the people of jaroslav all and the nation for generations to come. shines on us our team. and while the eve of the tenth anniversary of the september eleventh attacks security is beefed up across the u.s. to protect against what's been called the credible threat of a new terror attack it for many people who still feel no sense of safety a cloud of this dreadful out a verse or he has no silver lining but you know what my reports and our special coverage from new york. ten years ago america was rocked by unprecedented terror. nearly three thousand innocent lives were lost in

a post nine eleven world was born. our war on terror. begins. but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found stopped and defeated washington's military reach began with the hunt for osama bin ladin america strikes back afghanistan is home with bombs and missiles from the air in the sea then a preemptive pounding into iraq. in the decade that followed america's fight for freedom has been stained by torture secret detention and rendition human rights violations symbolized by landmarks like kuantan i'm ok grade and the block airbase prison we had garnered the empathy not only of the world but the muslim world and if we had the courage to be vulnerable. we would be far safer and more secure than

we are today instead we drank deep from that very dark all that sort of nationalism journalist and author chris hedges says america's terror unleashed throughout the middle east has opened a pandora's box of evil and sorrow over a million iraqi kids since the invasion. hundreds and hundreds of civilians killed in pakistan thousands killed in afghanistan not to mention millions of people displaced in the refugee camps and the terror that we have unleashed will not go on the way it is and it will strike us eventually however in a post nine eleven america citizens have been forced to compromise their fear. in the name of security the past decade has paved the way for new state practices such as warrantless wiretapping intrusive airport screening and greater authority for law enforcement what some call a police state in the making as this national security rose and as it becomes

easier for the government to see this and niceness in all aspects of our lives i think that we are going for what we worried about is the issue. you argued that it was the specific isolated workers it is the heater that is all around us and much of it may be right here at home from people in our own country. since nine eleven a rising tide of islamophobia has passed through this formerly tolerant nation according to the f.b.i. the four men intended to carry out their plan today dozens of muslim americans have been arrested and convicted in so-called f.b.i. for oil terror plots plots that were orchestrated and manufactured by government paid informants these cases have been created by the government and yet we're

supposed to feel safer because criminals that would not have come up with a plot had it not been brought to them on a platter by the u.s. government are now in jail and we have you know snowball fights going on around the world only raise more hatred only raise more but found only reinforced many narratives very violent and the narrative of american imperialism around the world and we i think we've created more enemies than friends you know being targeted communities for making them partners not only has it not made us any safer i think that it has undermined the very fabric of american society the fabric of a post nine eleven america the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden the leader of al. still we do war in the name of freedom americans get to get the right they did the same here the military states.

around the world the man behind nine eleven make sure the international scene and yet the letter. artsy. the u.s. war of terror launched after the attacks was sold as a vital national to stop further attacks on american soil brian becker from the antiwar answer coalition says there are many who would no longer buy that argument so i would say the american people who originally bought the position that this was a war to stop another september eleventh they have no longer believe that position they they now believe that it's a war for something else will define for the broad public administration launched the war in iraq for instance on a completely false pretext the war on terror in fact has become a slogan it will be ultimately known to him in history as the ultimate pretext to do whatever the u.s. government wants but in the case of iraq they invaded iraq hundreds of thousands died millions were made into refugees a beautiful country was torn apart and and divided along ethnic sectarian lines and

iraq had nothing at all to do with september eleventh and likewise in afghanistan we have thousands of troops who are going to be in afghanistan for decades because this is part of a grand scheme to keep these countries under u.s. control as part of the u.s. americans fear of influence. our special coverage of the nine eleven anniversary continues and later in the program we ask people on the streets of new york if the post nine eleven world is a safer place. to have on our website r.t. dark harmony the stories of those caught up in the fight against terrorism farmers and village elders are clueless what bombs and missiles rained down on their ports . also now for the war on terror the war on drugs ten years later afghanistan remains the world's biggest producer of opium poppies but much of its income rooted in illegal narcotics because nato forces struggle to destroy drug production in afghanistan the u.k.

harvests a new crop of parties to plug a growing painkiller for dish artie's lore and it explains in the rolling fields of all spicher at this time of year you'll probably see we barley ripening for the harvest but troy springs and warm summer's have enabled us to plant a very different type of crop opium poppies under contract to a pharmaceutical company that turns the opium into morphine and co dean to plug a shortfall in strong painkillers in the national health service in fact there's a global shortage of drugs made from poppies the opium here will be put to good use but thousands of miles away nato troops are wiping out existing afghan poppies with bombing burning and spraying the main question is why are we destroying property and then having to grow poppies in the fields in culture has been used by the american and british governments repeatedly one of these so-called soft arguments

that they want the liberal arguments they brought is that they're fighting a war on drugs this is completely pop you say it's not true it's not what a war is about and we should own up to that it's easy to understand why afghan farmers grow then sell opium to the taliban there's an effective distribution network and they. can make around seventeen times more profit per hectare than they could on wheat despite the obvious economics farmers are still being encouraged to grow other crops british m.p. frank field thinks that policy has failed but the americans weren't part of america and we following this behind them. makes a nonsense of what this relationship should be about when you're pretty unusual. not to be able to use this. position with the americans to rethink a strategy which. is as if we look historically

has. troy and you turn back frank feels and his group poppy relief think afghan opium should be legalized instead it would benefit afghan farmers raise much needed revenue for the governments nation rebuild and stop the opium falling into the hands of the drug cartels field says it should be military strategy to. have chosen problems rather than brains and anybody to be thinking about how do we get ordinary people ordinary farmers to see poppies as a cash crop. to protect the backs of troops we will be thinking about how do we harness this core how do we pay them for it and how do we then used. to transfer it into medicines to cancer. burned in afghanistan and kept a secret here in britain no one wants to talk about the u.k.'s opium growing program

we asked the farmers and the company they grow for mcfaul in smith if they would give us an interview but fallen smith said they wouldn't allow the farmers to talk to us because it's part of that contract with the home office that they keep the poppy growing. the home office also declined to comment welp. pieces are increasingly harvested in britain the so-called war on drugs is being decisively lost the u.n. says opium production in afghanistan has been on the rise since the us occupation began in two thousand and one euro and it o.t. books which are still ahead for you this hour a pill too big to swallow president obama urges voters on lawmakers in the u.s. to back his dark gratian an economic stimulus package but some say he's fighting the wrong battle in his war against unemployment. and he would have what's behind the new shop on america's highest ranks as general david petraeus takes up the top

cia. egypt's police have been put on a state of alert as protesters remain on the streets after attacking israel's embassy in cairo they destroyed a wall near the building and tore down the israeli flag replacing it with an egyptian one and at least three people have died and over a thousand were injured during clashes with police and army troops israeli embassy staff including the ambassador and their families simply thrown out of the country anger swelled last month after israeli forces responded to a cross border militant attack mistakenly killed five egyptian police officers the protests calling the time of change seven months after the popular uprising that ousted hosni mubarak thousands had gathered in the capital structure square urging an end to military rule and pressing for urgent reforms the president of the arab lawyers association star says it's not just groups could alternately benefit from the unrest. various. bands are vying for well they're trying

to show bigger than the other i think this demonstration is only the liberals this list are not taking part in and it is accusing the other one of trying to show they are going to go our the islamists are not they're not worried. the election law because well for the election no it takes they will definitely get higher votes than the liberals and the messages will continue i think the egyptian people will not accept the military continue to be in power as most of the military as everybody knows are the same old team of. people who were handpicked by mubarak with the approval of the americans would be happy for the military to stay there but i don't think the egyptian people without a doubt that president obama is urging voters across the u.s. to get behind his half a trillion dollar stimulus package to create jobs and pressure american lawmakers to pass it well the latest white house plan to rescue the economy includes

a mixture of tax breaks additional government investment and funding to states but you're also led to a publisher of the trends journal says the politicians are fighting the wrong battles in the struggle against unemployment. if anybody watched you could wonder how any self respecting. could have any respect for these politicians jumping up and down and clapping like trained seals that every two bit lawing all this speech was is obama's campaign speech on one end you have the republicans that want to cut back in title mention anything going to the people bring it in are staring measures and obama promising empty promises the federal reserve and some sixteen trillion dollars in stimulus package will loans etc and they couldn't create jobs well obama said he wants to create infrastructure jobs

perfect but they creating them in the wrong place is creating him in afghanistan harry reid building iraq now they're going to be rebuilding libya oh it's simple there's a way to solve this cutback on these of massive wars and defense spending and repatriate the money number one and then listen to what else obama wants to do he wants. free trade pacts oh great export jobs overseas why don't you export americans over to china panama indonesia and vietnam to do them so we have to re train should we have to stop these trade agreements that are raping america all of its resources mental and natural. american is former top commander in afghanistan general david petraeus has taken up his new job as the head of the cia they didn't fare well to the army after thirty seven years and uniform military contributor looks at the reasons for the move. he may seem in

consequential but. the first decision that general petraeus has made on his way from the pentagon to langley was to shed his military uniform and to present himself in a new incarnation as a total civilian according to the official story general but charles has an option to come to the cia as of a military or as a civilian and allegedly the white house did not force him to resign and to cut his image as a four star general and to downsize he's figure on their way to his new job if the official story is to believe general trills bend over back warrants to appease the intelligence community and to make sure that he could blend easily.