against al-qaeda and its allies was the invasion of iraq was a gift to them that they kind of always wanted but they never expected to get because the invasion of iraq was the perfect predicate for a just had it was a religious predicate it was an infidel country invading a muslim country accu prying it and installing man made laws rather than rather than god's law and so as i said earlier in our talk we did for bin laden what he had not been able to do for himself and that is to create a situation where a defensive jihad against the west appeared perfectly acceptable and perfectly correct and the duty of many muslims so there is no upside to iraq's or it's all downside for the united states and its allies mr sure you said something personal a minute ago and i want to ask you a personal question if i mean michael you said i quit my job in the in the in the

agency because i wanted to speak out publicly those that mean that you think that speaking as a public figure as an independent public think figure you can do more good for the american people then working in the central intelligence agency. well let me say first of all i left a job that i loved i had no intention of ever leaving but from one nine hundred ninety three when we started to work at least in a small way against al qaeda until two thousand and four i had seen three consecutive presidents tell the american people that we were at war because. they hate liberty they hate freedom in and all the rest of the kind of can't that comes out of the mouths of western politicians and what i thought and it sounds corny certain sounds trite but i thought it was time to be

a good citizen and from certainly from the cia i could not publicly say that for example whatever you think about our relationship with saudi arabia our support for a repressive arab police state really empowers al qaeda and other islamists to attack us i couldn't say that from cia and i couldn't say that no matter whether you support israel or whether you're a close israel our relationship with the israelis is a poisonous relationship in terms of u.s. interests in the muslim world i certainly couldn't say that from from the cia so it and rightfully so civil servants shouldn't be able to say those things but as a private citizen i thought i could perhaps at least add to the dimensions of the debate in the united states. those states today are facing serious financial problems and do you think that to some extent it may

be a result of the hyperactive foreign and military parlance this of the bush era and do you think that that that that today's financial problems may influence and change the military and the foreign policy of the united states. well i think certainly the bush and obama administrations and the clinton administration before hand have been very interventionist in their foreign policy in terms of both military activities and for bombing the serbs back in clinton to the war on terror and the expansion of the effort in afghanistan all of that is very expensive you know i think the main problem for the united states is really an enormous number of useless politicians who spend too much money the mess to clean and will it will it affect our. behavior overseas i think it has to because we're not going to be able

to afford to keep doing what we have been doing and i think it's a very it's a very useful thing to listen to what the enemy says and what he intended to do osama bin laden from one thousand nine hundred six forward was very clear that the they cannot defeat the united states militarily but the through the three things they used the three metrics they used to define whether they were making any progress were the following first to take care to take advantage of whatever international economic conditions were to help leave the united states in bankruptcy and i think just as we've talked in iraq afghanistan and many other things are helping complete us to bankruptcy the second thing al qaeda mentioned as a goal was to spread out u.s. intelligence forces and u.s. military forces to the point where they had no flexibility and very little reserves and i think we've seen that accomplish and the third goal was to create as much public dissent in the united states as the north vietnamese did during the vietnam

war and to strip away. our allies kind of wanted to time and i think we've seen many many of our allies just abandon us in the field so from my perspective when osama bin laden died he was a success not only in terms of inspiring. young muslims to fight the west but also substantively and what he laid out is the only way that he thought the islamists could defeat the united states thank you thank you very much and just a reminder that my guest on the show today was michael shore is the former chief of the us i am a been allowed and tracking units have been cia and that's it for now for all of us here if you want to have your say and spotlight part have someone in mind he is being patient if you next time just drop you know who would be back with more first time comments on what's going on in and out regressions until then stay on our teeth and take your.

the. stories on our t.v. russia's city of seattle slothful is paying its last respects to the victims of wednesday's plane crash that killed almost all of the top global ice hockey teams. thousands of people streaming into the studio where the locomotive goes smallville played i'm sean thomas jaroslav all as a city mourns and grieves the loss of their star. a nation on guard new security threats of courage from the eve of the turnabout of verse three of nine eleven a song here that the u.s. war on terror has created more enemies than it's destroyed. glossop tell of the event karo strike a new sour note in relations as an agony blog egyptian capitals storms there's

really embassy forces that stopped to leave the country. four pm here in the russian capital this is r.t. now the studio where russia want to advise talking team play their last game has been transformed into a video of mourning and tears more than one hundred thousand people have attended a ceremony in memory of all the team and all others that perished on board the yak forty two when it crashed on wednesday our correspondent sean thomas is with the signal city's great. the tone inside the stadium where the slava locomotive players played their games is very somber and quiet great respect for his thousands of people from all over russia and the city coming to say their last goodbyes as if this three day mourning period comes to an end we've been hearing some of the

personal stories of the players who was lives were tragically cut short we know of one player who just before this flight had proposed to his girlfriend and was hoping to start a family of another player who has declared that this was his final season and he wanted to give up hockey so that he could spend more time with his family of course losing his life on the way to his first game of his last season also a flight attendant twenty nine years old just got married three months ago and was planning to leave the aviation industry so that she could start a family of her own now as to the rebuilding of the chain and the spirit of moving forward best a geisha is still going on right now as we speak but beyond that we have the opportunity to speak to players from former jaroslav all the locomotive teams who said that they will come back so that they can help rebuild this franchise and make it the championship team that it once was we also have the opportunity to talk to the next generation of players the people who hope to become professionals and this

is what they had to say about moving forward from this tragedy. as a city continues to more than one very dedicated group of young men have choosing to honor their heroes in a unique way by getting back on the ice with you out of the cold shoulder that we should go on through the eyes simply through big guys there was a license at the store he told us to win for nancy grace that was. for these players this is special as it was from this area you know as a team their state for the fun for. them in the fifth and sixth of september they're trying. in sessions before the more confident and quite optimistic and determined all of them are in very high spirits for a new. one clerks working with this new scheme was supposed to be on the floor and the back working now his thoughts are still strong for those affected by this tragic loss i think it's it's hard hard to put

a lot older but than elderly. relatives friends or so i just recently or missed them a drink or two to. go on i'm out of my condo this with everybody and for the next generation of jaroslava locomotive hockey players it's not just about rebuilding the team for the future of the city it's also about getting back on the ice as a form of therapy to help them get through their grief. but also all over time a strong wish to windbreaker going pop out of it when they use championship and did it case maybe church my friends about it was young and while this team practices and even number group is ready to follow in their footsteps. someone play if you don't mind where. they told us about them in ca come on boy you need to be made into a team only ever bought stock market cool i want to be new team but movie does expensive not going to see it needs to become scheduled to be tested for the club the county

is going to come right through. proving that even though they've gone from the ice to members of this ill fated locomotive team will continue to be a hearts and minds of the people of jaroslava and the nation for generations to come when you are selfish on thomas the team. also just how was the city robbed of its sports stars and families of their loved ones hard to argue dot com for the latest updates investigators continue to rule out theories behind the deadly catastrophe the latest being that the fuel was contaminated to learn more about the possible causes of the crash disco for web site r.t. dot com. security is being stepped up across the u.s. following a terror threat on the eve of the tenth anniversary of the september eleventh attacks american intelligence intercepted communications from an al qaeda operative in pakistan indicating plans for a vehicle bomb plot against new york city or washington it was artie's ready to

court by reports a decade on and many u.s. citizens still feel vulnerable in their own country. ten years ago america was blocked by unprecedented terror. nearly three thousand innocent lives were lost in a post nine eleven world was born. our war on terror. begins with al qaida. but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found stopped and defeated washington's military reach began with the high pro-sumer that modern america strikes back afghanistan is home to put bombs with missiles from the air in the sea then a preemptive pounding into iraq. in the decade that followed america's fight for

freedom has been stating i think or church secret detention and rendition human rights violations symbolized by landmarks like one hanum obey grade and the blogger airbase prison we had garnered the empathy not only of the world but the muslim world and if we had the courage to be vulnerable. we would be far safer and more secure than we are today instead we track from that very dark a lick sort of nationalism journalist and author chris hedges says america's terror unleashed throughout the middle east has opened a pandora's box of evil estimates are over a million iraqi dead since the invasion. you know hundreds and hundreds of civilians killed in pakistan thousands killed in afghanistan not to mention millions of people displaced in a refugee camp something that the terror that we have unleashed will not go on. it

is and it will strike us eventually however in a post nine eleven america citizens have been forced to compromise their. freedom in the name of security the past decade has paved the way for new state practices such as warrantless wiretapping intrusive airport screening and greater authority for law enforcement what some call a police state in the making and is this national security state rose as it becomes easier for the government to scrutinize and niceness in all aspects of our lives i think that we are going through what we worried about this. is larger than just. specific isolated orders it is a behavior that is all around us much of it why here at home for people in our own country. since nine eleven a rising tide of islamophobia has passed through this formerly tolerant nation

according to the f.b.i. the four men intended to carry out their plan today dozens of muslim americans have been arrested and convicted in so-called f.b.i. oiled terror plots plots that were orchestrated and manufactured by government paid informants these cases have been created by the government and yet we're supposed to feel safer because criminals that would not have come up with a taught how to not been brought to them on a platter by the u.s. government are now in jail and we have you know snowball the violence that's going on around the world only raise more hatred only brings more but feelings only reinforced many narratives their violent and the narrative of american imperialism around the world and we think we've created more enemies than friends you know we targeted communities rather than making them partners not only has it not made us any safer i think that it has undermined you know the very fabric of american society the fabric of

a post nine eleven america the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden the leader of. still waiting in the name of freedom america i guess terror began at the right but it's ten years that followed the military see . peter. around the world the man behind nine eleven happened after the international safety yet the liver are enough or not artsy me. but cross live to brussels now to talk more of the song granted verse three with a lot of band or so international consultant and former soldier the m.p. it survived also ok so it's been a ten years there's been two huge wars with very expensive a lot of lives lost even now there's new information about the applied car bomb attacks in new york or washington so do you think the a war of terror could ever be while. well you can't really answer that question do

you not ask yourself what is it a war on terror we're on a phenomenon i mean you think about first of all that in the mission off of thought for a failure for the security and intelligence agency to have to admit well you will is not safe yet in fact men might be even more attacks could be your war on terror you should not forget it's actually a war everyone into one tradition agree with you economic and military policy should be united states whether they react violently or if they can democrats and against the screen you are looking specifically at the u.s. operation and number one terrorists as if they would save some of their lot and he's now dead ganesan in iraq are now towards the path of democracy so do you think the goals set out after nine eleven have actually been achieved. first of all i disagree that africa on a stand in iraq on

a par with the worst cannot proceed. in the contrary they are going to get is some kind of control a democracy completely controlled by the us only and that should not surprise actually after all the real bosses there we have to also say what are the real goals or what are the goals as to claim which in the media and such well look official goals of course have not been achieved whether the real goal of economic dominance over the middle east and other reason or achieved that's even a failure meaning the whole reason is for more unstable than it ever was before so not knotting so far has been achieved in really where you are talking about the region still being unstable do you think it's too early for u.s. troops then to withdraw from the. region is your presence a christian principles or as you please it's up to the us not in a western decide whether we should there be to make sure things are in order let's not forget us has no police in those countries the west has no place in those

countries it's up to the people of those kinds of them something to decide where defeating will be so the question itself i can't say is it only for them to go. in there in the first place ok i just want to talk about a post nine eleven surveillance and it's been a stepped up in and out a lot of the personal data of millions of passengers credit card basically a lot of information about us now are stored by us on that security for it these are these are reasonable in and out of response to the atrocities twelve years ago do you think that the nine eleven was being used by some departments basically for their. that's absolutely true and that's not to not chunking a year this is. what they have of people in power and will use crisis to more power and especially now after an event. orrible events like nine eleven that's why did we should not forget that all the new laws that gave these the

groton and their new policy about already ready to be applied it should be a vote in the congress before nine eleven you just stand there with me for the right opportunity the whole concept of woman security was already in people before nine eleven let's not forget that. nine eleven was horrible no let's not. but there will always be tall people in power who will wait for the crisis to abuse them for their own games ok i just want to one last question is very briefly i mean there are some who think that because of this quote unquote the war on terror the u.s. has allowed more enemies ten years our do you agree with that and if so absolutely it is absolutely. oh absolutely even before. the government decided after nine eleven to go to afghanistan their only knowledge and already predicted

this it would make it a problem for counterterrorism by all these organizations. the fact that if they knew then we should it wasn't really the goal to make the world more secure. now that's not to be but i think the real girls from different ok well thanks very much for your thoughts there a little bit about all of center national consultants and every one of our belgian and live from brussels. rival europe is important to watch of course and a lot on our web site and participate in our latest poll today the question we're asking is what does line eleven mean for you without ten years on and so far the most part of our response is a convenient pretext to invade afghanistan and iraq the answer a conspiracy to rather their place of their freedoms comes of course psychotic as all of you say it means a tragedy the nation must learn to let go and the enemy attack us will never allow to happen again well. can contribute your ideas your thoughts just go to our t.v.

dot com. we also ask the people of the new yorker what kind of impact that tragedy had on their lives. is more like tell a tick so things are not predictable you don't know what that's going to happen next and i don't know you kind of more aware that of a threat it's just more on the lookout people should change third rail think a way of reaching older people. accepting that people can be different in about ten minutes so we could watch what people on the streets of the big apple have to say about nine eleven a ten year south of the terrorist attack brought to the city. terrorist attacks are determined synonymous. to sixty solution repeat must some people still believe. the vision of a. chinese on pot she comes to.

look back at nine eleven to see. egypt is on high alert after a night of riots in cairo left at least three people dead and over a thousand injured the demonstration for reform in the country quickly turned violent as protesters vented their anger against the israeli embassy a mob tore down a wall shielding the high rise building ransacked parts of the embassy which was virtually understaffed at the time after hours without intervention a riot police used tear gas to disperse protesters who responded by throwing bombs now the israeli diplomats and their families have been flown home as television condemned the attack let's go live to cairo now to get some perspective on this from egyptian presidential candidate shall thanks very much for joining us in the program well be incidental it does call resident after israeli forces killed and policemen in a border clash do you think this is a reason for the at the israeli side to me a car or do you think there's more to it. this is one of the one of the uses for

this one. and the if you look closely the sponsors of the egyptian government even respond positively to their demands even the very modest they given government also is very lenient with israel is so very different people was very few things about it but i think you would look as well and if you go to the egyptian government this is why. some of the options are now encouraged by the government. the embassy the one who had. taken the flag of as well from the building had been put a lot of the by giving him an apartment and sot there who gave dignity and to be also a nationalist you have to see at the end of the we you know it could very.

well in fact giving way for the people to go to the embassy here last night you hear so i think this was here see here say that the people actually are rather upset with being egyptian a former egyptian government their reaction or their the attitude towards israel and this is their way of expressing it but in the military interim government right now has promised to uphold the nine hundred seventy nine a peace a deal with israel have a base but at the same time also opening the border with gaza how do you think this relationship is going to unfold. i think the relations with it you can consider that relations and to live and let live in between. the council and. tact so there's no tension about the level of popular sandal they think they are very few are supporters of it. so this is why you think the lesions and general would be the true rating but anyhow i think the egyptian people the revolution and

he had been in fact injured by these attacks not only because some of the egyptians had been attacking the embassy by them categorical the government but because this was a threat for them by the government and by israel to some with a different population and with a lot of illusions when people of the seem to be it's on the mobs the revolution which should be very much. and it really how you stand by and present now is there something like ok right just one couldn't talk about how easily i can possibly respond to this i mean a ton of people has already had a falling out with turkey and egypt is only one of two arab countries to have a peace treaty with it how do you think television is likely to respond to the attack on its embassy is it going to become something bigger than this. i don't know exactly but they think. something for egypt.

is. a parking lot or something like you factor in the situation because the center you can buy up again also interrogation and pollution. the government and paul be encouraged to our embassy so i don't know exactly from the moment what should be going to. be on the offensive now it is on the defensive and this is really bad for them ok i also want to ask you ok the u.s. was quick to embrace the toppling after mubarak it was considered an expression of the egyptian people's will and now the people are venting anger at israel but this this is a washington's ally of course say do you think washington is likely to accept the egyptian people's actual now as a feat as freedom of expression considering they are protesting against israel.