tv [untitled] September 10, 2011 11:22am-11:52am EDT
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did in britain the so-called war on drugs is being decisively lost the u.n. says opium production in afghanistan has been on the rise since the us occupation began in two thousand and one euro and its ati oxfordshire let's take a look at some other news stories dominating headlines around the world every start with benghazi the cradle of the country's revolution where hundreds of people have walked out of the streets to protest the actions of the new libyan government little rebels are pulling back a bloody walid one of four really encouraged afy strongholds as nato airstrikes reportedly start in the area towns held by loyalists have been given until saturday to surrender to the new libyan leadership as the rebels continue the search for the fugitive leader colonel gadhafi is audio messages he's still in libya despite reports of his family and some associates crossing the border into night year. at least one hundred sixty people have died and over one hundred more are thought to
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be missing after a ship sank off mainland sounds near authorities say the ferry carrying more than five hundred passengers capsized after leaving port heavily overloaded rescuers are struggling to search for survivors in tough conditions and i've requested for a help from kenya to south africa. so we can do the job japan's new trade minister has resigned and that's after he made a comment deemed insensitive to locals forced out of their homes by the nuclear crisis in fukushima you feel much heroes later apologized multiple times for his verbal gaffe he said he was just trying to convey the seriousness of the situation what he called the now desolate area around the fukushima nuclear power plant a quote talent of death his departure is a major embarrassment for prime minister yoshihiko noda who took office and installed a new cabinet just a week ago. fidel castro has appeared in it in an interview shown on bit as well and state television to dispel rumors of his death the former cuban
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president joked that this was not the first time such reports have spread the eighty five year old has not been seated public says the communist party summit in april he stepped down age like two thousand six hundred power to his brother raul castro ruled cuba for nearly half a century becoming a revolutionary icon. and are returning to our coverage of the attack about a verse three of nine eleven the bad was the worst act of terrorism on american soil and the spark that ignited the war against al qaeda but despite the killing of osama bin laden the scars on the big apple remain as laura harford is found out as she spoke to people in europe. i think a day after the horrible nine eleven terrorist attacks on the us how is the world change this week let's talk about that the world is i won't say more dangerous but it's more like our tick saw things are predictable you don't know what what's going
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to happen next the life is much intense i think so no. every day can be the last and you think people around the world feel this way. i think in europe in america i think so i don't know you kind of more aware of a threat just more on the lookout do you think that people are around the world still keep that vigilance ten years later probably not as much as we did five years ago do you think that the amount of lives lost in the name of the war on terror has been worth feeling safer i think it's difficult being the common on to be honest i have a lot of friends that have fought over there and i would say it's hard every time they leave the nuts for war so no i don't think war is to make us feel safer if everyone lives his own business i think everything would be better if we had been here in new york last week. several places. places
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we find this a lot of security so we understand all that. because he wasn't before but something we have to. live with. that we might be safer but we have to give up some things for that well i don't think it will be safe try to pick a safer we pretend to be as they pretend to be safer that's right i mean sure and this is very difficult somebody who wants to solve it was good though is there anything that anyone can do or is it just what's going to happen it's going to happen i don't know people should. try to change her. they all think i'm way off treating other people like accepting the people can be different i'm not just roads my way is the right way i'm lead screw everybody this is not rights no matter what you think it's changed the bottom line is we can only hope the world continues to strive to be a safer place. and
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but the. moscow. you're watching our g.m. these are the headlights a russian city of yet us level is spending its last respects to the victims of wednesday's plane crash that killed almost all of the top global ice hockey team. security is being stepped up across the u.s. on the eve of the anniversary of nine eleven as new threats emerge and some now fear that america's war on terror has created more enemies than it's destroyed. plus a television cairo strike could new sourdoughs in the nations as an angry mob of egyptian capitals storms israeli embassy forcing its staff to flee the country. and coming up next a spotlight you stay with us here on our. hello
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again i welcome to spotlight the interview show on r c i'll do it all for him today we're talking about nine eleven. this year marks the tenth anniversary asa term for eleven attacks in the united states two passenger airliners crashed into the world trade center buildings in new york and one into the pentagon building in the city almost three thousand people died in the attacks started a new air a u.s. led a war against terror which sparked two major military operation in iraq and afghanistan just two months ago the u.s. enemy number one salah billard was killed in pakistan. did his death really change
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it did that ten years down bring produce any result except the growing insurgency on the one hand and valor tobie on the other we're asking the former chief of the a family bin laden tracking unit in the cia michael charlotte. the worst attack in u.s. history terrorists hijacked four planes and crashed two of them into the twin towers of the world trade center in new york city the one into the pentagon while the force was presumably targeted at the white house in washington but question into a build the roof caps which al qaeda eventually admitted left some three thousand innocent people down and created a perception that no place to know is safe from the threat of extremism the immediate u.s. response was a war on terror declared by president george w. bush it instigated highly controversial military campaigns in iraq and afghanistan
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. there were inter has been criticized many times it's counterproductive because in a further escalation of violence one of the legacies of nine eleven is the guantanamo bay detention base where l.h. terrorists have been held and markets used have been condemned by organizations like amnesty international and human rights watch something which turns the war on terrorism into an act of terrorism in itself another sign of the post nine eleven world is a rise in islam of increasing without a dent in the us and europe it took america ten years to locate and eliminate some of bin laden the mastermind of nine eleven months months of the birth of the us is most wanted enemy and may spark mass celebrations in the united states.
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has assured a welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us. well thank you for having me so yes thanks sure you say i quote the fundamental flaw in our thinking about bin laden is that muslims hate us for what we are rather than what we do and quote what's your explanation of the reasons for these attacks. we were attacked because of what our government does in the muslim world this is overwhelmingly a defensive response to us foreign policy toward european foreign policy for that matter there is not much difference when it comes to the muslim world and to it to fail to understand that is to fail to understand the motivation of our enemy the appeal of our enemy to the younger generation in the muslim world and really just to kid ourselves to think that killing bin ladin really solve the problem it's an ongoing problem it's a worsening problem and least in the united states we have two parties who are
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resolutely opposed to any any contact with reality on this they want the american people to believe that we're being attacked because we have liberty and elections or gender equality and really the war has almost nothing to do with that i do consider some of bin ladin skilling as the major us civic truly in the war on terror and a serious blow for the jihadi terrorism. it's a major tactical victory it's a wonderful victory for the cia of the united states special forces we're much better off as a as a country and i probably as an alliance with him dead but the time has long past where he would have been his killing would have been sufficient to end the problem mr clinton had that opportunity ten or twelve different times in one nine hundred ninety eight one nine hundred ninety nine it would have made a real difference there but bin laden it's very good that he's dead he was
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a very talented very inspirational leader but the movement the islamist movement is much bigger today much more geographically dispersed than it was at nine eleven primarily because of the invasion of iraq. our invasion of iraq and subsequent occupation really created a situation that did for bin laden and al qaeda what it probably could never have done by itself the occupation of iraq made al-qaeda it turned out to rather from a man and a group into a philosophy and a movement and now we're living with that philosophy and that movement mr sure why did you why does you say that bin ladin i quote died a success isn't it an overestimation i would say or is that that had to be indeed the hiding for the last couple of days or years rather of his life. i don't think it's an overestimation at all perhaps it's an underestimation solid in loudon was the one person in the muslim world in the arab world especially who
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stood up and defied the united states in words and deeds and indeed enticed us into coming into afghanistan where we have lost that war so he will be remembered both as as a very brave man and as someone who is more effective than any muslim government has ever been in challenging the united states but i think more important the west has always missed the point they've they've kind of refused to listen to what osama bin laden said over the past sixteen years and that was al qaeda and bin laden himself were too few in number to ever. to ever defeat the wester to drive the west out of the middle east by themselves and so they took it upon themselves especially bin laden to inspire other muslims to undertake a jihad against the united states its allies and its client governments in the middle east along with the israelis and i think just objectively if you if you see
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if you. total up the number of people who are in arms against us in the field today in a number of countries they're operating in and the increasingly indigenous violence in the united states and canada in north in europe bin laden died a fully successful in his own terms mr sure you were had of the cia's bin ladden intelligence unit in ninety six ninety nine you mention this period of your life already couple of minutes ago it was your job to provide necessary information to capture or eliminate the al qaida leader were you receiving the information at that time that he was up to a major attack against the u.s. was it possible old ready at that time to neutralize him or not. well certainly it's never been a it's never been hidden from the west or from the united states that they intended to attack the united states at home and attack us very severely as i said earlier
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in our interview sir the west has been stone deaf to what bin laden has said over the over the course of his active career much in the way that we ignored my income when hitler wrote or to the one nine hundred twenty s. we would have been better off had we listened to what he said or had we read what he said but we didn't and we took a pounding for russia especially but a lot never made it a secret that he was going to attack inside the united states and indeed i had the honor to lead some very brave and very effective officers and frankly mr clinton had much better information and opportunities to kill osama bin laden than the opportunity that they had the president current president president obama head and he took the chance he went ahead and did it in the interest of the american people mr clinton was more afraid of damaging his reputation with the europeans and other kind of left wing people if he happened to kill
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a few civilians along with killing osama bin laden when you when you look at the problems the world has traveling in airspace when you look at the drain on the war of. terrorism on you you have the u.s. economy if you look at the inspiration in bin ladin and others provided to the to the muslim rebels who russia is fighting in the north caucuses all of that goes back to president clinton's cowardice in not being willing to kill osama bin laden in the late one nine hundred ninety s. you know you're pretty critical in this assure of president clinton was that the major reason why you resigned back in ninety ninety nine. it was a big part of it sir and i'm not just critical of mr clinton i'm critical of any president of the united states who doesn't put the protection of americans first i think russians would feel the same way about their president or the british about the same their prime minister mr clinton just happens to be the one that i know
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best because i was responsible for providing information to him. i'm sorry i missed the lead the second part of your question i mean i mean was that the reason your. your criticism of the clinton that you resigned a war you were you rather dismissed from the cia ninety nine. no i resigned i was moved to a different job in may of june of one nine hundred ninety nine we had just gone through a period in the last week of may in one nine hundred ninety nine where we know we knew exactly where osama bin laden was spending the night for five consecutive nights in kandahar city and we could have killed him on any one of those nights and the president decided not to do it and i wrote a memo that said basically if we don't do this soon we're going to miss our opportunity and a lot of americans are going to die for that and they have got me moved to another job doing counter-narcotics until until nine eleven i resign no more because of the
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failure of the nine eleven commission to find anybody responsible for anything before nine eleven and because they failed to the informed to inform the american people and their report that we're fighting people who are at war with us because of our foreign policy and its impact in their world and not because americans have women in the workplace or because we drink beer and i thought that was a major failure of the nine eleven commission and i thought i should say something about that and i couldn't do it as a serving cia officer says michael show where the former chief of this zama been allowed to track the unit as the cia spotlight will be back shortly after the break those don't go away.
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welcome back to spotlight on al green novel in just a reminder that my guest on the show today is michael scheuer the former chief of the as bin laden tracking unit at the cia mr sure so a you just mentioned the your predictions and your you know what when you were in the cia. so those that mean that the nine eleven events when that tragedy happened that it wasn't it wasn't a shot for you because you expected something like that to happen is that right. that's exactly correct sir and it and i don't like to put the focus on myself anybody who had been working the end against osama bin laden and al qaeda whether it was at cia or the department of defense or anywhere else in the u.s. intelligence community knew that an attack in the united states was coming and
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there was no doubt i think in anybody's mind the moment the first plane hit the tower that al qaeda was responsible for it we had developed information as early as one nine hundred ninety five that al qaeda was planning to fly a seven forty seven aircraft passenger aircraft into cia headquarters in virginia so this was no surprise to anybody so just after september eleventh he you have been appointed again you came back to the cia as a special advisor to the chief of the bin ladden unit does it mean that that the agency admitted they were wrong and you were right. you know i don't really know what it means i think it means that i had more experience probably than any other senior officer in the u.s. government or in the intelligence community working asama bin ladin and after the attacks of nine eleven a large number of new people were brought in to work against al-qaeda and i think
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they brought me back primarily because i had an institutional knowledge a long history of working this particular target and i was able to the extent i could to help young people understand how the organization worked what was important what wasn't important i don't think it was anything at like a perp admission of that i was right in and they were wrong it really that really doesn't make a difference the only thing that mattered after nine eleven was really destroying al qaeda mr scheuer what's your attitude to the conclusions of the so-called nine eleven commission should they be reviewed from your point of view. i what i have always been concerned with sir is that part of the charity for the nine eleven commission was that all of the intelligence information that was provided to it would be released to the public. and it was before the commission got it it was
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that it was edited in re dak did to make sure that no sources intelligence sources or methods of acquiring information would be compromised so all of that material is ready to be released whenever whenever they're ready to do it and when that's released i think it will become a very apparent to the american people that there were grievous failures in the senior leadership of the u.s. government particularly in the white house and that the intelligence community as a whole not just cia but n.s.a. and other units really did very well in giving the president a chance to kill america's number one enemy the only person who had declared war on us twice in one thousand nine hundred sixty one nine hundred ninety eight so i really do think what what we need to have is the documents that were provided to the nine eleven commission which were promised to the american people what made you publish the book which was called imperial hybris why the rest is losing the war on
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terror you probably see this book back in two thousand and four what made you publish this book and it did losing the job of the cia once again that it. well i resign finally be yes they i resigned. because i wanted to speak publicly about this i think the most important issue for the united states and certainly its allies and nato is to realize there is no way to win this war or to end this war as long as our foreign policies remain the same in the in the muslim world as long as we support whatever the israelis want to do as long as we're the primary backers of the saudi police state as long as we. are dependent on oil in the middle east. all that means this war is that this war will continue that the islamist movement will continue to grow and that we will be in essence the the engine of islamism because it is our foreign policies and their
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impact that genuinely motivate the enemies that we face in the field today we certainly have failed miserably in killing enough of the enemy we haven't killed nearly enough of them but killing is never enough you have to have policies there that kind of make recruitment more difficult in the coming generation and so far since nine eleven our policies has remained the same have remained the same and they have spurred recruitment to al qaeda and many many other islamist groups around the world sure the you are third invasion of afghanistan was an immediate result of the soups and chemical eleven attacks what will the imminent us withdrawal from afghanistan mean for these militancy will be the jihadist come out and we can or maybe rain forest as a result of the campaign in afghanistan. well what we've seen in the last six
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months is president obama has surrendered in afghanistan after ten years they have not killed enough of the enemy to even protect the senior people in the afghan government i think the russian people will remember the efforts of the soviet union in afghanistan and certainly we're going to end up no better the results of our defeat there will be to galvanize the coming generation of young muslims around the world to fight in the jihad i think you'll remember sir that osama bin laden's generation the generation of iman's are we here and of others was galvanized into a believe that islam could prevail by their success driving the red army out of afghanistan when the united states and its allies leave afghanistan the governments in the west and in washington will dress up. the retreat the surrender as if it was some kind of success but in the muslim world it will be seen for what it is which
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is the united states leaving afghanistan without accomplishing any of the goals it set out to accomplish in effect it will be leaving in defeat and just as the soviet withdraw galvanized the muslim young muslim world in one thousand nine hundred nine the american defeat in afghanistan will galvanize this generation of muslims when we leave in two thousand and twelve or twenty fourteen or whatever date we do leave well then what about the war in iraq was it a mistake to from your point of view i mean i mean did it do good for the anti terror war. knowing that it was a complete can't can't completely counterproductive sir and i guess i need to know for your viewers i am not an expert on iraq or. what kind of threat saddam hussein posed but the advice that was given to the administration from the people who were working against al qaeda and.
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