future that's just plain bleak and they see a. group of people who have no cultural identity and language themselves calling the shots as to how they're going to live their futures and the policies are going to live underneath. they oftentimes turn turn turn to violence and this is not something that's human history so base for survival people turn to the to the violence side of nature sometimes to deal with situations but the great for the prime minister at least he's promised there's a bench to fight until the bitter end in avoided the fold thing is giving in to pressure again from the e.u. to keep that precious euro flag flying well giving in to pressure from the year from the e.u. i think that he comes from a fairly long line of political aristocracy and it would be fair to say in my opinion anyway that he is. he's been pandering to the to be evil leads for sometime i think of politicians it's kind of like the central bankers and people turn to try to solve the very problems he created these guys are the ones who are responsible

with the end of the day his predecessors all the people who decided that it was in the best interests of the people of greece because this isn't about greece it's about people and the people of greece are not going to be any better off under the a stereo measures being levied against them today i would argue it has more to do with a consolidation of consolidation that puts more power in the hands of the euro kratz and takes away even more of a national identity that belongs to whatever's left of greece as we refer to it and so we keep this on the station because it's such an obvious question i mean despite the billions of euros worth of bailouts we've seen so far the greek economy doesn't seem to be benefiting still of we should greece leave the eurozone to avoid simply needed deeper isn't this just prolonging the agony. well here again whether greece decides to leave i think it comes down to the people and when the people are frustrated enough and the people are no longer willing to take the outside. shots being called by others and when the people realize that they're no better off than

the austerity will not work look no one no one's going to sit here and suggest certainly not me bed greece has been fiscally responsible that there have been following to what i would consider responsible monetary policy and they certainly haven't but nonetheless it's up to the greek people themselves to determine what hysteria measures will be implemented they certainly don't want to be taking orders i wouldn't think from people sitting in brussels and the i.m.f. who are trying more or less to consolidate the power into dr what i consider to be two words one world governance so i don't think that the greek people are going to be any better off or worse under the asperity measures and i believe the same sort of the stereotype template that's trying to be created in greece today is going to be over later plans to be overlaid on the backs of spain italy portugal they're all in the same structurally bankrupt position quite frankly since we spoke to you last what you prognosis where is the eurozone going to go what's it's fake. well i don't know where the euro zone is going but i would suggest that it's not good for the

people of europe in their various respective countries to be to be push it to be allowing the anglosphere lead to push for even more centralization the more you remove the power for decision making away from the individual the less effective the decision making is and the more dysfunction you're going to have within your economy and within your political and social. structures and that is what we're dealing with here we're dealing with a euro zone which is based upon the false premise that central planning works and that more central planning can fix the misguided central planning on a national level that has failed miserably obviously in the case of greece and in the case of other countries in europe and america for that matter how to thanks ever so much for being on the world chief editor of the political website that dot com well i'm from barcelona. finally but a show business news for you tonight russian director alexander movie fog the golden prize of the sixty's venice film festival

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. nice for instance on t.v. don't come. on for more scope this is arts a very good evening for me kevin o. and it's now eleven thirty pm i'll top stories russia city of heroes novels paying its last respects to the victims of wednesday's plane crash that killed almost all of the top of the voice talking to us as investigators ruled out to me. theories into the cause of the tragedy engine failure and poor quality of food. security is being stepped up across the u.s. on the eve of the anniversary of nine eleven as new threats and some have fear that america's war on terror is creating more enemies than it's destroying. them and television cairo struck a new sour note in relations with one more education companies storming the israeli

embassy forcing its staff to flee the country at least three egyptians were killed and more than a thousand injured as rioters clashed with police in cairo. now spotlight. hello again or welcome to spotlight the interview show in our city i'll be a dolphin today were charting a ballot nine eleven. this year marks the tenth anniversary of september eleventh attacks in the united states two passenger airliners crashed into the world trade center buildings in new york and one into the pentagon building in d.c. almost three thousand people died in the attacks started a new era by u.s. led war against terror which is part of two major military operation in iraq and

afghanistan just two months ago the u.s. enemy number one salah bin ladden was killed in pakistan but did his death really change any of this book ten years down to introduce any result except the growing insurgency on the one hand and valor phobia on the other we're asking the former chief obvious i'm a bin laden tracking unit in the cia michael. who are stare at a target in u.s. history terrorists hijacked four planes and crushed two of them into the twin towers of the world trade center in new york city one into the pentagon while the fourth was presumably targeted at the white house in washington but crashed into a build the roof tax which al qaeda eventually admitted left some three thousand innocent people died and created a perception that no place on earth is safe from the threat of extremism the

immediate u.s. response was the war on terror declared by president george w. bush it instigated highly controversial military complains in iraq and afghanistan . they were in terror has been criticised many times it's counterproductive because in a further escalation of violence one of the legacies of nine eleven is the guantanamo bay detention base where l.h. terrorists have been held the markets used have been condemned by organizations like amnesty international and human rights watch something which tunes there weren't terrorism in turn back to terrorism in itself another sign of the post nine eleven world is a rise in islamophobia increasing with a dent in the west and europe to comerica turned years to locate and eliminated some of bin laden the mastermind of nine eleven months and of the death of the u.s.

as most wanted enemy in may spark a mass celebrations in the united states. was assured a welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us. well thank you for having me so yes thanks mr schorr you say i quote the fundamental flaw in our thinking about bin laden is that muslims hate us for what we are rather than what we do and quote what's your explanation of the reasons for these attacks. we were attacked because of what our government does in the muslim world this was overwhelmingly a defensive response to us foreign policy toward european foreign policy for that matter there is not much difference when it comes to the muslim world and it to fail to understand that is to feel to understand the motivation of our enemy the

appeal of our enemy to the younger generation in the muslim world and really just to kid ourselves to think that killing bin laden really solve the problem it's an ongoing problem it's a worsening problem and least in the united states we have two parties who are resolutely opposed to any any contact with reality on this they want the american people to believe that we're being attacked because we have liberty and elections and gender equality and really the war has almost nothing to do with that. do you consider as some of bin ladin skilling as the major us a victory in the war on terror and a serious blow for the jihadi terrorism. it's a major tactical victory it's a wonderful victory for the cia and the united states special forces we're much better off as a as a country and i probably as an alliance with him dead but the time his long past where he would have been his killing would have been sufficient to end the problem

mr clinton had that opportunity ten or twelve different times in one nine hundred ninety eight thousand nine hundred ninety nine it would have made a real difference there but bin laden it's very good that he's dead he was a very talented very inspirational leader but the movement the islamist movement is much bigger today much more geographically dispersed than it was at nine eleven primarily because of the invasion of iraq. our invasion of iraq and subsequent occupation really created a situation that did for bin laden and al qaeda what it probably could never have done by itself the occupation of iraq made al-qaeda it turned out to rather from a man and a group into a philosophy and a movement and now we're living with back to last if we in that movement and this is sure why did you why does you say that bin ladin i quote died as success isn't it an overestimation of a terrorist that that had to be in deep hiding for the last couple of days or years

rather of his life. i don't think it's an overestimation at all perhaps it's an underestimation sound in loddon was the one person in the muslim world in the arab world especially who stood up and defied the united states in words and deeds and indeed enticed us into coming into afghanistan where we have lost their war so he will be remembered both as a as a very brave man and as someone who is more effective than any muslim government has ever been in challenging the united states but i think more important the west has always missed the point they've they've kind of refused to listen to what osama bin laden said over the past sixteen years and that was al qaeda and bin laden himself were too few in number to ever. to ever defeat the wester to drive the west out of the middle east by themselves and so they took it upon themselves especially bin laden to inspire other muslims to undertake

a jihad against the united states its allies and its client governments in the middle east along with the israelis and i think just objectively if you if used if you. total up the number of people who are in arms against us in the field today in a number of countries they're operating in an increasingly indigenous violence in the united states in canada in north in europe bin laden died a fully successful in his own terms mr sure you were had of the cia's bin ladden intelligence unit in the early six ninety nine you mention this period of your life already couple of minutes ago it was your job to provide necessary information to capture you were eliminated the al qaida leader were you receiving the information at that time that he was up to a major attack against the u.s. was it possible over the at that time to neutralize him or not. well certainly it's

never been a it's never been hidden from the west or from the united states that they intended to attack the united states at home and attack as very severely and as i said earlier in our interview sir the west has been stone deaf to what bin laden has said over the over the course of his active career much in the way that we ignored by and count one hitler wrote it in the one nine hundred twenty s. we would have been better off had we listened to what he said or had we read what he said but we didn't and we took a pounding for russia especially but a lot never made it a secret that he was going to attack inside the united states and indeed i had the honor to lead some very brave and very effective officers and frankly mr clinton had much better information and opportunities to kill osama bin laden than the opportunity that they had the president current president president obama had and

he took the chance he went ahead and did it in the interest of the american people mr clinton was more afraid of damaging his reputation with the europeans and other kind of left wing people if he happened to kill a few civilians along with killing osama bin laden when you when you look at the problems the world has traveling in airspace when you look at the drain on the war of. terrorism and you you have the u.s. economy if you look at the inspiration in the gladden and others provided to the to the muslim rebels who russia is fighting in the north caucuses all of that goes back to president clinton's cowardice in not being willing to kill osama bin laden in the late one nine hundred ninety s. you know you're pretty critical mr sure out of all of president clinton was that the major reason why you resigned back in ninety nine in the. it was a big part of it sir and i'm not just critical of mr clinton i'm critical of any president of the united states who doesn't put the protection of americans first i

think russians would feel the same way about their president or the british about the same their prime minister mr clinton just happens to be the one that i know best because i was responsible for providing information to him. i'm sorry i missed the let the second part of your question i mean i mean was that the reason you're. your criticism of the clinton that you resigned a while you were you rather dismissed from the cia ninety nine. no i resigned i was moved to a different job in may of june of one nine hundred ninety nine we had just gone through a period in the last week of may in one nine hundred ninety nine where we know we knew exactly where osama bin laden was spending the night for five consecutive nights and kandahar city and we could have killed him at any one of those nights and the president decided not to do it and i wrote

a memo that said basically if we don't do this soon we're going to miss our opportunity and a lot of americans are going to die for that and that got me moved to another job doing counter-narcotics until until nine eleven i resigned no more because of the failure of the nine eleven commission to find anybody responsible for anything before nine eleven and because they failed to the informed to inform the american people in their report that we're fighting people who are at war with us because of our foreign policy and its impact in their world and not because americans have women in the workplace or because we drink beer and i thought that was a major failure of the nine eleven commission and i thought i should say something about that and i couldn't do it as a serving cia officer says michael show where the former chief of bizarre i'm a bit a lot of tracking unit at the cia spotlight would be exact surely the right posture

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welcome back to the spotlight on al green novel in just a reminder that my guest on the show today is michael scheuer the former chief of the as i'm a bin laden tracking unit add the cia mr short so you just mentioned the the your predictions and you were you aware when you were in the cia . does that mean that the nine eleven events when that tragedy happened that it wasn't it wasn't a shock for you because you expected something like that to happen is that right. that's exactly correct sir and it and i don't like to put the focus on myself anybody who had been working the end against osama bin laden and al qaeda whether it was at cia or the department of defense or anywhere else in the u.s. intelligence community knew that an attack in the united states was coming and

there was no doubt i think in anybody's mind the moment the first plane hit the tower that was responsible for it we had developed information as early as one nine hundred ninety five that al qaeda was planning to fly a seven forty seven aircraft passenger aircraft into cia headquarters in virginia so this was no surprise to anybody so just after september eleventh you have been appointed again you came back to the cia as a special advisor to the chief of the bin ladden unit does it mean that that the agency admitted they were wrong and you were right. you know i don't really know what it means i think it means that i had more experience probably than any other senior officer in the u.s. government or the intelligence community working osama bin laden and after the attacks of nine eleven a large number of new people were brought in to work against al qaeda and i think

they brought me back primarily because i had an institutional knowledge a long history of working this particular target and i was able to the extent i could help young people understand how the organization worked what was important what was unimportant i don't think it was anything like a admission of that i was right in and they were wrong it really is that really doesn't make a difference the only thing that mattered after nine eleven was really destroying al qaeda missed the sure what's your attitude to the conclusions of the so-called nine eleven commission should they be reviewed from your quit if you were what i've always been concerned with service and part of the charity or for the nine eleven commission was that all of the intelligence information that was provided to it would be released to the public. and it was before the commission

got it it was it was edited and read acted to make sure that no sources intelligence sources or methods of acquiring information would be compromised so all of that material is ready to be released whenever whenever they're ready to do it and when that's released i think it will become a very apparent to the american people that there were grievous failures in the senior leadership of the u.s. government particularly in the white house and that the intelligence community as a whole not just cia but n.s.a. and other units really did very well in giving the president a chance to kill america's number one enemy the only person who had declared war on us twice in one thousand nine hundred sixty one nine hundred ninety eight so i really do think what we need to have is the documents that were provided to the nine eleven commission which were promised to the american people what made you publish the book it was called imperial harbor is wide the rest is losing the war

on terror in publishing this book back in two thousand and four what made you publish this book and. losing the job when the cia once again did it. well i resigned finally b.s. they i resigned. because i had managed to speak publicly about this i think the most important issue for the united states and certainly its allies in nato is to realize there is no way to win this war or to end this war as long as our foreign policies remain the same in the in the muslim world as long as we support whatever the israelis want to do as long as we're the primary backers of the saudi police state as long as we. are dependent on oil in the middle east. all that means this war is that this war will continue that the islamist movement will continue to grow and that we will be in essence the the engine of islamism

because it is our foreign policies and their impact that genuinely motivate the enemies that we face in the field today we certainly have failed miserably in killing enough of the enemy we haven't killed nearly enough of them but killing is never enough you have to have policies that they're kind of make recruitment more difficult in the coming generation and so far since nine eleven our policies has remained the same have remained the same and they have spurred recruitment to al qaeda and many many other islamist groups around the world sure the u.s. led invasion of afghanistan was an immediate result of the september eleventh that what will the imminent hue us withdrawal from afghanistan mean for these slimy militancy will be the jihadists come out weakened or maybe rain forest as a result of the campaign in afghanistan. well what we've seen in the last six

months is president obama has surrendered in afghanistan after ten years they have not killed enough of the enemy to even protect the senior people in the afghan government i think the russian people will remember the efforts of the soviet union in afghanistan and certainly we're going to end up no better the result of our defeat there will be to galvanize the coming generation of young muslims around the world to fight in the jihad i think you'll remember sir that osama bin ladin his generation the generation of iman's are we here and of others was galvanized into a belief that islam could prevail by their success in driving the red army out of afghanistan when the united states and its allies leave afghanistan the governments in the west and in washington will dress up. the retreat the surrender as if it was some kind of success but in the muslim world it will be seen for what it is which

is the united states leaving afghanistan without accomplishing any of the goals it set out to accomplish in effect it would be leaving in defeat and just as the soviet withdrawal galvanized the muslim what the young muslim world in one thousand nine hundred nine the american defeat in afghanistan will galvanize this generation of muslims when we leave in two thousand and twelve or twenty fourteen or whatever date we do leave well then what about the war in iraq was it a mistake to from your point of view i mean i mean did it do good for the anti terror war you know it was a complete can't can't completely counterproductive sir and i guess i need to you know for your viewers i am not an expert on iraq or on what three kind of threat saddam hussein posed but the advice that was given to the administration from the people who were working against al qaeda and its allies was.