from iran to saudi arabia from europe to africa the world was united behind america willing to help us recover and willing to help bring those who attacked us to account in any way they could even the talabani offered up support and pledged to handle some of bin laden over if we just showed the world some evidence linking him to the attacks a decade later though this is how the world is reacting to our nation on the tenth anniversary of nine eleven. on sunday we remember the nearly three thousand victims who lost their lives in that horrific attack with memorials in new york washington d.c. and shanksville pennsylvania it was a somber day a of reflection but what was left out in the dialogue yesterday was the reality of

where our nation stands now as a result of nine eleven as in why is it that ten years ago we were embraced by the world yet today were scorned and still under threat of terror perhaps yesterday wasn't the right day to ask those questions perhaps yesterday was a day for the victims but today and each day moving forward we need to be asking ourselves the tougher questions about how we've handled nine eleven over the last decade i say this because here we are ten years later dealing with a serious case of islamophobia that's cause many americans including some republicans running for president to forget what religious freedom means in america as they deny american muslims the right to build mosques in their local communities and here we are taking off our shoes getting groped and being a radiated just aboard a plane. and while we're at home i mean our emails and library books inspected by

the government and our phones wiretapped without a warrant all actions that made billions in profits for a booming private security industry but have done little to actually keep us safe and even if they have kept us a little safer are they worth it as benjamin franklin so eloquently wrote more than two hundred thirty five years ago they would give up essential liberty to attain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety and we fall into that trap here we are fighting two wars for the national priorities project estimates of estimates of already cost our nation one point two trillion dollars over the last decade and according to the washington post will likely top three trillion dollars by the time they finally end if they ever do the center for american progress examine in what ways we could have spent that money instead of bombing the

middle east and killing or displacing millions of people including over six thousand dead american soldiers turns out of bush's war money we could have instead given fifty nine million children health insurance every year for the last ten years or we could just set sixty three million people to college for free every year for the last ten years or we could have hired one point six million elementary school teachers every year for the last ten years any one of those alternatives would have made our nation far wealthier and safer than the endless wars that george w. bush declared in the wake of nine eleven and tragically that barack obama continues today. and it's not just about the persistent u.s. military presence in iraq and afghanistan that have bankrupted the nation also

about the endless drone strikes around the world from yemen to somalia to pakistan that have killed so many innocent people and leave muslims in the region in constant fear of death from above a whole new generation of muslims are growing up now and they have no other experience of the united states than as an occupying military force and even though our military has performed admirably it's not their good deeds that are remembered but instead those instances of brutality the grave blackwater massacre in baghdad or the execution of ten civilians in iraq including five children as described by the most recent recent wiki leaks release thanks to george w. bush choosing the path the war as a response to nine eleven and that is just to rest in the criminals who perpetrated the crime america is now perceived by the war as a criminal itself rather than as the victim of

a new story as crime osama bin laden didn't just want to kill or scare as many people as possible on nine eleven he also said that he wanted to fundamentally change the united states he bet that if he attacked us in such a brazen gruesome fashion and we would all lose our minds that we would be blinded by fear and scream for revenge and shelve the constitution and our ideals to pursue a bloody crusade against islam that we would turn into the very enemy the bin laden had described us as a whole lot but nation at war with islam both at home and abroad and in that transformation bin laden thought he would make himself more legitimate and list more people in his just a jihad and in the end or to be bush chose to do exactly what bin laden hope he would do. it's been a tough decade for us but it's not too late to take a new path sunday's anniversary the tenth one is to be about more than just

remembering the victims it also needs to be about correcting the course after ten years it's time to ditch bush's nine eleven roadmap of destruction and begin a genuine recovery. that's the big picture first night for more information on the stories we've covered visit our websites of thom hartmann dot com free speech dot org and our team dot com also check out our show you tube channels are going to tarpon dot com and this entire show is also available as a free video podcast on i tunes and we have a free thom hartmann i phone or i pad app in the app store it's honest feedback on twitter and chalmers for our facebook commerce for our blogs message boards and telephone lines and find i'm all over of tom harkin dot com and don't forget that mark receive begins with you get out there get active today your.

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but in the lower show we'll get the real headlines with none of the mercy let me live in washington d.c. now it's never going to ask a taste of real ism is still not allowed we're talking about nine eleven in our country's response to it paul krugman called post nine eleven shameful donald rumsfeld of all people called crewman's remarks repugnant and even canceled his subscription to the new york times so why are we back to this then some say the chance of a greek default or up to ninety eight percent are investors suffering from a relying on bailout mentality and i'm sure we've heard a lot about the evils of illegal immigration that's

a nice republican tea party debate but what about illegal immigration let's talk about this important group of job creation we have all that and more for you tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. now over the weekend we saw a violent attack take place in afghanistan that injured seventy seven u.s. soldiers so in response the mainstream media once again decided to remember that hey we're at war. the television screen responsibility for a massive explosion that injured seventy seven u.s. troops a suicide truck bomber attempts to kill as many american troops as possible a massive truck bomb rocked a u.s. military base in afghanistan over the weekend the insurgents were trying to send a message on the eve of the nine eleven anniversary taliban a suicide bomber brought a truck full of explosives to the current owner of a combat outpost. and now not only is

a sign of the continued bad state of the war in afghanistan there's spike the fact that we've been there for almost ten years now and have a troop presence of one hundred thousand it's also one of those pathetic reminders and the mainstream media doesn't care about the less there is a big shock in our story such as this then suddenly it's worth it to put reporters on the ground to actually take time out of the partisan bickering in washington and report on conflict violence and report on real world effects of our war on terror but he's you and i both know that out and so so rarely what is the percentage of coverage the media devoted to the war in afghanistan last year oh yeah i'm easily four per cent but here's what really gets me is that even when they do decide to turn their glance to the wars again he still lives surprise surprise of the war still going on the momentum that our military officials talk about isn't real and of course they might throw in a few lines pandering to the military industrial complex about how this they guess must justify the endless war on terror because the threat of terrorism is so real

and well then they move on but they forget of course is that the war in afghanistan is unwinnable they forget is that this war isn't just you know afghanistan the pakistan is a major part and of course their own actions affected as well our own continuous occupation of countries our own drone strikes that take civilian lives and turn populations against us and so let's put this little tidbit of information that we all know the cia has an ever expanding drone program they just don't talk about it we talked about the fact of the cia has in fact become a killing machine instead just of. some intelligence gathering agency but the mainstream media conveniently ignored that story too so what a shock and they also ignored a ruling from a federal judge last friday and the cia gets to continue not having to release any records related to its use of drones to kill in afghanistan pakistan and elsewhere now the a.c.l.u. brought this lawsuit of a judge there rejected the notion that lethal drones are really involved in acquiring intelligence too so if there's some intelligence acquiring going on then

the cia gets to stay out of the reach of all scrutiny all legal bounds who cares if they're killing people it's for intelligence so more money spent more drone strikes are launched more lives are taken all without anybody anybody able to hold the cia accountable and that's actually thanks now to the courts in this country but that's what the mainstream media chooses to miss because they'd rather keep getting surprised that there are wars going on out there. and i guess today was a day of mourning and more realisation for america it's remembering the three thousand victims of the attacks on september eleventh of two thousand and one we heard a lot of heartfelt stories a lot of inspiring words but we also saw some journalists pundits public personalities take the time to reflect on the negative the poor reactions that we've had as a country and the exploitation of it by some politicians but apparently the latter that's not allowed take for example paul krugman from the new york times he wrote

what happened after nine eleven and i think even people on the right know this whether they admit it or not it was deeply shameful the atrocity should have been a unifying event but instead it became a great issue fake heroes like bernie kerik rudy giuliani and yes george w. bush raced to cash in on the whore and then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neo cons want to fight for all the wrong reasons when i say that that type of rhetoric isn't allowed i mean every right wing news website and blog went ballistic today over that statement. even former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld had something to say he tweeted this morning after reading crewman's repugnant piece on nine eleven i cancelled my subscription to the new york times. so i really felt that point or perhaps returning to us where realism isn't allowed any any critique as labeled as unpatriotic or discuss this with me is jim hansen retired special operations master sergeant and military blogger at black net thanks

so much for being here tonight pleasure now for starters i will get into the reactions but let's get your take on what is the current wrote today do you think there is some shame in the way that people reacted afterwards in the way that some politicians capitalized on it in the way that nine eleven was used to get us into a war in iraq that really had nothing to do with nine eleven ok let's go with the first half i think there was definite sheen involved with the reaction some people had in see the west bank of palestine where they were dancing in the streets over those deaths and i think there was some shimon what rick krugman said because he is a repugnant individual i was stunned that runs bills to have a subscription to the new york times that was. because rumsfeld has critique the new york times so many times over the years for reporting on some of the atrocities that were committed during the bush administration and he even considered it treasonous for the new york times to report on these things so why you still have a subscription kind of by everybody it's a comedy relief i think is my right to be honest there have been some ads in post nine eleven america that i think honestly are kind of shameful and i think that the

fake new york times releasing the truth you mock is part of that. let's get to where the yes or no do you accept that using nine eleven as one of the justifications to go to. the main reason i thought he was it we can do we were convinced still that they had these every was convinced because. that was tenuous at best and was used as at most tangential what was the number one reason for going to war in iraq was that saddam hussein refused to show that he had gotten rid of his weapons. mass destruction and the programs that support he wouldn't let us do proper inspections and consequently when the guy standing there who shot his neighbor he says no i threw my gun away but he said it was our behind his back i think it's reasonable to question whether or not to give it a go if you think it's completely reasonable though to launch a war based on false information and really it was just a call that a mistake had been a huge difference you keep people who say well you know you launch a war if you're not one hundred percent sure of the information who is who wasn't

sure look at the roots look at the french look at all our friends everybody agree the democrats republicans everybody agree that saddam was a threat everybody agreed that it was horrible and now you even. that former administration was saying that it was wrong and they wish they had done that because the stick with it but that's not good are doing is we're having a debate people get things wrong and people get to debate so why do we hear this outrage now this is very much like what we saw leading up to the war in iraq because there was a lot of opposition and if you dare oppose going into war in iraq then that was considered treasonous things you weren't a patriot and now we have the exact same thing if people want to be realistic about nine eleven post nine eleven america if they want to critique them then move to everyone's made like kirkman suddenly that's totally not allowed i don't really know that happened i one hundred percent support group is right to be an idiot all the cases in new york times and he did it and now he's paying the price just because someone says i'm not going to write him in at work late by does he have to pay a price because what he said was

a idiotic and thought. repugnant i think that's a great work repugnant it was heinous it was agreed as i think i might be is the wonderful world to donald rumsfeld himself so so interesting to tell you that if you go as long as we put krugman on the same side of whatever repugnancy the guy first of all ok i don't know why they gave him a nobel prize among economists but i know paul krugman knows less than anybody i can think of about foreign policy so to take his opinion and value it more than say one of the theater critics who write the other up it's for the new york times is a little. they're pretty partisan too about politicians like rudy giuliani they definitely did use the nine eleven momentum for all that it was worth but i also want to talk about something that the president said yesterday because of course we had a lot of speech is a lot of commemoration going on and some inspiring words but some words that i think deserve a little bit of critique let's take a listen. occur as a nation has not trick our faith. in god

and each other that is not a trick these past ten years of showing america does not give in to fear. i have one hundred percent disagree that america does not give in to fear what would you call the last ten years and some of the responses including some of the wars including the assault on our civil liberties t.s.a. scanner is the fact that now we can't even try people we have to indefinitely detain them because we're too afraid to actually have be counted for our torture so we can bring them into court i would listen to what he saw the fact that now we can bring detainees from guantanamo bay on to u.s. soil because i would rather see that i have get more for not going to try people they're going to rebuild european country is a terrorism excuse me terrorism trials on their soil has been a problem we've had trials on our own soil there's been no problem that is fear there is eight and already you know and i don't want a ghost of johnny cochran come down and saying oh it's you know who the scarf

doesn't fit we must acquit i don't think that's a good idea i think the president's critics we haven't let fear define is the last ten years i would disagree with the word fear and say paybacks america they started it the bad guys took a beating no i think whether or not we've achieved the goal of killing al qaeda that's that's in the questions a difficult a more for this organization but what we have done is dealt them some pretty deadly blows and i'll give obama credit he said it himself in that same speech he said we've killed more al qaeda leaders in the past two years with the cia drones from the killing machine and bravos. that's what the terrorists are best used for but meantime do you think that everything else that goes along with what you call payback has been absolutely worth it and like i said again the erosion of civil liberties now we have but fifteen thousand and thirty nine what i mean what are monitoring muslim communities muslim mosques muslim cafes isn't that where the terrorist threat is coming from i mean if you could identify where a terrorist one community is i mean we all know a lot of men arrested who were plotting in america who were muslim who'd been

caught by informants whether they were local p.d. or f.b.i. there's a way that when there's a way to do it legally without having to step on the civil liberties of the regular american population is you get you get warrants you don't. go and spy on everybody i don't know i'm pretty sure they're going to be your i know you're not a fan of warrants no they're not to are you going to threaten with war received reports of the cia's been working with the n.y.p.d. also if they're not supposed to do the cia isn't allowed to spy on americans either well they're not spying they're just giving advice to the n.y.p.d. who's doing what we want them to do which is catch the bad guys before they blow something they're teaching them how to spy. do a better job again like it is one supposed to do in the cia you can train him to do it better more power to but about islamophobia is that any reaction of your. not particularly scared to the idea of those one of the things that was supposed to happen after nine eleven is always horrible things happen to muslims you know what increased attacks against jews have increased in the ten years since nine eleven attacks against muslims are so minimal and infinitesimal that they're hardly

trackable it hasn't happened but what about the fact that we have a banning of sharia law something that's completely nonexistent in america now going to now be going through state legislature is good and it's hard to see it's been banned in alabama it doesn't exist that is a theory all of those reactors it doesn't exist here in the u.s. there are no jack lawless you know that a loaded zero zero degrees that one has to believe is right or who i really course are trying to put in parallel banking systems and if they want to make that binding by law that's wrong if they want to voluntarily again there is no creeping sharia threat let's get to one last thing here so. frank gaffney isn't going to bring that name into the studio. last week president obama announced or at least his release to that obviously we know we will be keeping troops in iraq that number's going to town to three thousand to ten thousand that some people had asked for and john mccain had a few words to say about. i try to support the president as much as i can these are very important issues but there was no military person anywhere that recommended

that peace would take place before the second fighting season there is no military person that doesn't believe we need to reseed you will force in iraq far in excess . that apparently is being planned. actually not true if you think about general ray odierno who used to be in charge in iraq who recently took over as army chief of staff said the larger the force we leave behind the more comments the occupation force are made and then we have to think of why we're there continuing to develop iraq we don't want to be called an occupation force so we have to consider the fact that we need to remember down get the numbers down ok the last person in the world wants to argue with it was one of the few people who actually scares me i put the bottom line is we're if we're there in more than three you can call this an occupying force the problem is can you accomplish the mission you're there to do with the numbers you're leaving if you leave three thousand people we can barely conduct a training mission and we have absolutely no chance to conduct

a security mission if c. oh i don't know the oil rich region of course blows up when the kurds decide to see because there's nobody there to stop them or there's nobody there to intervene if the iraqis decide to take her back or theory means decide to move some more revolutionary guards in there's any number of things that could go wrong that we stop merely by our presence so garrus and so be there because you're old forever and that you're. going to war there lately. but troops there since the last one and this is why we broke the country jim thanks so much for joining us. now still to come tonight as we continue to mark the anniversary of the top of the nine eleven we'll look at the taxpayer money of the u.s. stance on homeland security and ask if our investments are paid off then we're done on the street as if there's now a ninety eight percent chance of agree things off are investors still banking on a bailout forgotten about topics interest in the. internet only or military mechanisms if you don't work out to bring justice or

accountability. i have the right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i think taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know some legislate a story and it seems so sleep you think you understand it and then a glimpse something else here sees some other part of it and realize that everything is just going to i'm trying hard welcomes a big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right.

i think. either one well. whenever the government says leave or keep you safe get ready because you get your freedom.

on friday we crunched some numbers on how he was helping his divided up it's federal spending in our post nine eleven society and we explained the u.s. has spent six hundred thirty five billion dollars since two thousand and one on the department of homeland security alone and i think pretty stunning amount of money now a recent slate article questions if our country really needed to spend that kind of money at all john mueller martha stewart right about cost effectiveness saying that a security measure is cost effective when the benefit of the measure outweighs the cost of providing those security measures and they compare the cost of security measures with the benefits is tallied in lives saved and damages averted now as we said earlier the u.s. has spent six hundred thirty five billion dollars since two thousand and one on the part of homeland security alone so let's see how many terror attacks they compute would need to have been prevented or foiled each year to justify that spending now they look at three main factors to calculate the cost effectiveness the possibility

of a successful attack the losses sustained in a successful attack and the reduction in risk furnished by security measures now those factors in mind they argue for the amount of money spent on v.h.s. the u.s. would need to put a halt on approximately one thousand six hundred and sixty seven attacks each year or approximately four attacks per day now there have been thirty three legitimate kerrick was exposed since nine eleven clearly nowhere near the think fifteen hundred a year mark and the co-authors also go on to explain the most important elements of protecting our country since the nine eleven attacks were actually in place before the twin towers fell ten years ago now if you combine those original efforts with an uptick in civilian vigilance over the past decade it looks as if many of our post nine eleven efforts like the t.s.a. body scanners those things that were unnecessary and in fact mueller and stewart go on the say that the best way to avoid overspending on counterterrorism efforts is to stop over reacting now that it's been a ten years since nine eleven is it time to go back and completely reform our

v.h.s. spending habits now i'm not arguing that home i think you're a he should be demolished completely but when you crunch numbers the way that you are and stuart have its jaws drop it can realize just how much money has been wasted and not used for real protection. i'm nervous about the eurozone are going wild on friday whispers of a greek default coming over the weekend were everywhere it's monday obviously that hasn't happened yet but the signs are still pointing in negative direction despite an announcement of two billion euros worth of fresh austerity measures and a countrywide real estate tax in greece germany has stepped up its rhetoric a german economy minister saying that an orderly default for greece and no longer be considered taboo bloomberg has even reported the greece's chances of a default have now soared to ninety eight percent yeah that fears of downgrades of the french banking sector and everybody is expecting the markets to run wild but i think it's not responding enough some argue that perhaps we have a culture of expected bailouts let's have the investor mentality so what happens if

that mentality is wrong joining us this is edward harrison the founder of the blog credit write down everything so much for joining us tonight now do you think that at this point it's inevitable explain this ninety eight percent chance that people are saying a greek default well basically you know they have these derivatives thought swaps and. you know people bet on the more they buy them in order. that basically all default would see you know is the numbers stack up to be within the next five years as a percent share of the default which they would be wholly of forty percent of the cause of the of the do you buy that would you bet on a. good one hundred percent that's what you said i do you could start it within five years definitely the question is not if it would it's going to or five years seems like kind of a long time at least at the rate that things have been going you know and now we have the german economy minister saying that we can actually.