with civil conflicts sweeping through north africa and the middle east there is a real worry that the masses of weapons involved could fall into the wrong hands next r.t. hears from a former u.n. expert on how serious the flow of guns is and what is being done about it. with all the talk about diplomacy and humanity the power of the gun still remains the primary means of solving international conflicts to discuss the current state of arms trade and arms trafficking we're now joined by the former u.n. expert on those issues brian johnson thomas thank you very much sir for being with us today let's start with libya in the beginning of the uprising of the revolution whatever you call it there were concerns that those weapons may fall into the hands of terrorists has already happened in your view well of course it has because it's easier for girls to leave an arsenal and to go. back to recalled the most of the

guns that were looted albania in the nine hundred ninety just still missing. in the hands of criminals as much as in the hands of terrorists. start off by being legally married could be sold with at some point the guns the cultural problems and issues and the case of libya the concerns as you know. a lot of the rebels were until fairly recently also we go that is being in the with al qaida in some cases so there are some orders to what they might do with. you know when i was called to call carriage of the market which is always you taking an interest in what happens in libya and once you get support for the revolution of any sort then you turn to the control of some of the individuals within it now prior to the uprising russia was one of the main suppliers of us to libya. but as far as i know it was not the only one and some of the countries that are now waging a campaign a military campaign against colonel gaddafi are also supplying weapons to his

regime quite openly yes because it's interesting isn't it that if you look at. the moral record to the west to nice things is not awfully good we seem to him to be. iraq and libya because they've got something we want i don't see anyone having any great desire to go and invade syria and disperse the president thought so maybe he's got nothing no what he wants so i think that's where the real politic comes into play but yes there was a decision taken for whatever reason to support the libyan uprising even though the same countries did go to the security council and get a resolution which in parts imposed an arms about later and went a long long way beyond those terms of reference you could argue the bombing campaign itself was pushing the envelope so what countries said we actually talking about apart from russia who was supplying weapons to get out i think most countries

most many countries as i mean i know for example a shipment of pistols from brass who are listening because it went through mole and they made a mistake in the paperwork when it was with nine million euros when it is ninety million euros so there was a huge sort of i think about it but they were described i think a sporting weapons what you will sport you do with a pistol but anyway so we know even the italians have been involved certainly the british up sold military systems i didn't know whether it was weapons of search and they were sold radar and this kind of thing high tech kits to the regime so yes there's been a whole range of supplies from needing all the usual suspects if you like now also what sort of want to just be talking about and how dangerous it is in your perspective the problem with the steroid world why does it every year we make more guns that are destroyed every year the total number of weapons on the

planet is increasing. quite significantly i mean i think there are probably something like ten times more guns are made the not destroyed every year because you got to nations that are like asians and culprits trying to get guns out of circulation by buybacks by various programs but they're not be followed by the power that everyone still makes comes out i will always been struck by how cheap guns are to make them so so now one thing i noticed when i was in march and the ghaziabad. sort of become they seem very fancy i don't for a bit young and so it's almost like having an ipod find american teenager and every other person wants to have it his own kalashnikov now wondering whether you can really talk about any serious fied against arms trafficking when you have a culture of young people really thinking that having a kalashnikov is really what makes them cool and chic this is a problem in so i mean there's i was involved some time ago in. the company of

mustard and you know and there's a i will know most of the union saying i'm too old to go without the gun which illustrates the problem certainly for a young man i mean one of the problems that up. with the child soldiers for the woman in the house but you know it's actually more fun to be a soldier with a gun because you couldn't take what you want whether it's food or the woman you just take it because you've got to go to their homes and it's awfully hard to get these young men up through the decades of war some to come back into civilian life so it's a real problem i mean there are international markets to try and establish what you might call a better organization for the arms trade by imposing minimum standards there is a conference in new york next year to ten years of discussions on and off which will try and organize an arm straight treaty on more of the problems at the moment is that what everyone agree that almost retreat is a good idea to have some control of the home straight it's what goes in the treaty

which is critical problems. there was a famous. bizarre time clergyman called said to ghost a new one sort of god give me chastity but not you know it's many governments feel the same way but they need to control the home straight but they don't want to put what he controls on their own on their own business now regardless of what you're thinking about i get off this track record rather than here in support of him and not they have to admit that prior to this uprising lead there was a sort of an island of stability and they're relatively good live in africa which is a pretty turbulent continent. everything that is happening there and with all that flood of. flowing around what sort of implications that could have for the arab rest of the region it has implications certainly for the magreb because it's least in terms of criminals they tend not to stay within borders so you know if you tease you to organize a bank robbery in shoot us or in car or on the basis of weapons you get from this

turmoil in libya yes i agree with you one of the troubles is that. you me where you could have a society where the gun is king if you have it's vigils with respect to the rule of law so therefore we have to have trust you know police forces there's never enough police for them to control a population by force so we have to be policed by consent. countries which police by consent generally speaking have less gun crime than countries which are about which i'm up so policed but it's also true that where you have a horse regime the same thing happens but you tend to find the majority of gun crimes. because. people who want to hold an illegal weapon because they don't have any trust in someone else looking after them they don't trust the police to look after them and that's where the problem starts so unless the libyan transitional national council can vote. quickly establish

a trusted. impartial independent police force and that because main cities but they can separately there will be a temptation on people to keep guns for their own defense but not then resist the temptation to use a gun for something which you shouldn't be used what sort of measures do you think believe that the us has daily been authorities could take an audience here to crazed. percentage of guns but then the population i mean maybe buying them out there or offering some sort of surrender campaign you'll find buying guns back is a city that says there's no good i mean i've been bold and several sort of buy about campaigns but they're now discredited when there's one occasion i was working i want to browse a hole in the congo going to go to twenty years ago and i forget the price but we were paying seventy five dollars shall we go when the problem was on

the other side of the congo river you could buy the fifty books so people were actually bringing guns for the country became a sort of business because a business this is sort of the get the bounty so they then tried different ways around this by saying well as a community as a child there was a bit of age if you could as a weapon sort of in the forests we'll build you when you shelter or you post a small stuff like that so that seems to work better in some ways i have to say that the problem of getting weapons out of circulation is much more difficult than people tend to think when in kosovo it just felt totally it was a very very expensive company you know that was it was embarrassing you know and everyone looked like a look at it like many if you could be into it it was easier not to get guns out of circulation but to control domination because i'm going to sion is happy it's bulky and you can have more success and there's no point have you going to i'm going i'm going to sion so many ways of omniscience is the key to controlling lawson's weapons if they can get out of a nation of the dumb gun there's no going to them now i haven't. of

a question i'm not sure of whether you can comment on that by that it's just my personal observation when the surprising began back in march it was primarily driven by they see young people like teenagers and young men in the twenty's who went to the frontlines almost for the fun of it but at the pictures we are now getting from tripoli show very different sort of troubles there is a middle aged man who seem to be a far more proficient in their handling of the army's. how did that shift happen i think first of all you know i mean on the ground for the marine. sort of watch myself growing older men you're young you think you're immortal i think what has happened is the revolution has become let's go to the stage where it looks like being successful when you go about what i think all of the people who are in civilian clothes of the middle age i would guess this is good on. the word of the.

final i have a question regarding the recent allegations or theories that some countries may be. illegally selling arms to rebel us i know that the french have admitted dropping weapons to some rebel groups opposed to separately which uses on the face but it's a breach of the security council resolution which one can only pull. particularly when a permanent member of the security council goes wrong crossing a resolution they voted for i think it's a very bad show but you know real the real world is sometimes not so last place to be in. a british foreign secretary back in the eighteenth century said the once the person has no permanent friends and you couldn't interests and i think that's true of every country is true of russia it is true of us true to americans and the french so people will look to their interests as they see them all the time but yes it's about thing when the united nations system is not for you but i would it and

for it's i want to warehouse paintings by going to spend to the nothing else which is the best system we have and i think it's very unfortunate when a member states of the security council then ignores the resolutions they voted for us. thank you very much for pleasure. i.

annecy international calls on all sides of levy and civil war to prevent human rights violations well short lived jubilation after the fall of gadhafi and some libyan say they're now being used by those who fought for their freedom. at a time when the u.s. is tightening its fiscal belt forcing private jail see more revenue for cash cow prisoners the argues of lobbying to expand the american justice system and increase the number of citizens behind bars. ukraine considers the whole galatea of day trips to the contaminated area around turn all the sign of the world's biggest nuclear tragedy tourist visits were banned over allegations they provided unhealthy profits to brain officials. as they have lines here on our t.v. i'll be back at the top of the hour and meantime the title brings the latest from the world of sports.

thanks very much you're watching the sports of dateline r.t. and let's have a look at our top stories. proves once again just why he is the world's highest ranked player when he was that major all the year with a comprehensive victory over rafael nadal in the u.s. open final. face off so you know the outside rush of the fourth consonantal hockey league season finally starts beating you draw in model the seven openings eight fixtures. and also as it makes players gear up for tuesday's champions league opener in cyprus at. the peak of the action though we'll see him in long travels to barcelona. highlights begin in flushing meadows where nobody djokovic to fade a draw followed dol to secure his the major win all of the year the seven has been dominating for most of the season extending his incredible run to sixty four wins now losing just twice since wednesday eleven for the fourth straight time the men's

final delights in monday and was also a repeat of last year's decider won them by ralph. this was a different story though when a doll managed to break the seventy opening game but that was one of these few highlights in the match djokovic controlling the game on his way to basing a doll in six consecutive tournaments final meeting of the season. on the first two sets were pretty one sided the top seed winning six two six four off what came back you know forcing a tie breaker and then taking it seven three the job which was back to winning ways in the schools opening commanding find one lead with a couple of breaks. the twenty four year old finishing off matters with yet another forehand when a down the line to claim his fourth korea grand slam trophy novak djokovic should becoming the twenty fourth man singles u.s. open champion in front of a sold out arthur ashe arena. so i only had.

to get out of the behavior here in this sort of race in the past is not going to say. now especially because he's doing better than never but. you know what i go back home with. knowing that i'm on the way a great match really from the start to the end even though it was the third set i had i was three times break up. maybe you know i should not drop my serve in those moments but look. you know. when you play when you play that well you're must enjoy i mean you must you must bring your smile in your face because you know it's all going well it's all going for on your side so. but you're focused you're trying to take one point our time and it's and winning again so yeah i'm going to have more fun now when i know the mentions over. sam styles are meanwhile already

celebrating how women singles title the first. korea the all sequencing the silverware the day before djokovic just triumphed over an adult would be shocked a three time champion serena williams. now the chelsea's and got on the way on monday after thursday's initial stop was postponed like i might see if i won't be involved this is an after the majority of the team were killed in a plane crash last week. an openness started with a minute of silence commemorating that seemed in a while says god you grab their one had to had a one of the seven games here in moscow are better than not was there. this is the toughest time of the young league has ever had to live through the gates and through this for susan.

players who remembered in somewhere tribute to their friends that look and what if you are slowly or killed in a plane crash last wednesday and briefly looks under the glimmer of light for to survive in hospital but best to wait on monday morning. it was sisko and you grow open the season in the russian capital. the army men led by their new coach you just shipler got off to a first and furious start. just two minutes into the game here again drove produced a muster piece moved to open the scoring one nil i think you grew up pushed forward with some good chances to level but it was the hosts who scored again. questioning here to give cisco to nearly it seconds from the first intermission cisco didn't lose in their grip in the second period sergei share of netting the third late in a powerplay three nil is certainly looking like

a wipe out for you grab. however the visitors didn't give up a couple of ball play gills brought them back into the game three to tie over it wasn't enough to change the outcome and sis custer the new season with a win. with both sides clearly playing in the name of their brothers in healthy who will never touch the ice again. the last. fans of. course. and the thoughts of them all the time thinking about it. every day in the sun for us all was the best way to draw two. sides to talk again it's a change of staff. and a mind i know the way. of our thinking of the players of every single day of.

the economic crisis at least being. proud of what i'm doing and enjoy the game as much as he does and he did. best possible. to predict. robert virginia. six more games were played on monday including defending champion some of our two lives victory by team they all fourteen came from three goals down to play nine point three victory over a lot of talk there and that the lower level was not skinny that the shoot out to decide when a set of style beats never more scored three want at the helm and the better also scored three times against elsewhere does not always leave a favorite album garvin mansouri added with a little bit of claimed and away with against love on his left right. now

the champions they get underway tonight with a travelling to cyprus to face up while elsewhere barcelona start their title defense against another european giant. the camp no show down as one of the opening fixtures in group h. boss are hoping to continue their a big run having not lost in their last town champions league hell matches the catalans only absentees here while milan like several key players we have luckily brought him a bitch and robina among others sidelined with injuries are some had failed and the teams happy to open against their long time rivals and fellow continental contenders. the team is happy because we're starting the champions league it will be a very special game to start with on the right food we start the group stage with the goods is a schuster to victory brings and an opportunity to do things the right way will play the game with great concentration and spirit hoping that everything will turn out well. in-group chelsea will look to start the champions league campaign and the

manager andrea b. is borsch with how win against germany is by live accusing the blues with a solid home record as well unbeaten in their last twenty through three group much as the new boss apparently hoping to extend that streak. elsewhere europa league title holders poor do entertain ukrainian side shock top of the group g. since last season success the portuguese have lost had. moved to chelsea however the domestic champions are looking for more glory on their new manager. we start with the hope of doing our best in the champions league we are clearly increase your quality of play therefore we start with confidence in this stage we believe we can move on to the next stage and go forward this is our main objective . and also in that group is in the face of the dogs as i've said earlier elsewhere in group. also know and in fact calls face small say well and say about

the ross and chelsea's group while barcelona have made those bought it and big story if a company in group h. just second side in the champions league says camos will play me on the wednesday. and over to russian football now where week twenty three erupt up on monday with a so much the. terek to walk away in the chechen capital. open for the visitors twenty minutes in conversing on the spot after a fall in the box against was last week the tension seemed level of matters four minutes after that. gets in vehicle eyes over this had a following across from the right hand side. after the break trawler struck the second in the fifty third minute to seal the final result of two one as it made the most of a defender's mistakes here this was. in the table. in

the meantime russia have retired from the beach football world cup off the stunning nine time champions brazil for that fast of a global crowd brazil winds into the final aiming for their fifth string title that russia had placed a perfect trail through all that sort of incentive in those their rhythm shish and helped himself to have trick while. he was a rock between the posts on the way to historic victory the team touched down at moscow's the my dead of apples on monday. was that of the me every time we've gone to the world cup prior to this we've stumbled in one point or another however we kept working in correcting those mistakes so this is our hard work paid off in the ultimate way. and in basketball and the european championships and if they have kept one hundred percent record thanks to win over masa done it in their last group stage game sixty three to sixty one the final score and this one russia captain said again morning is three points i gave them in the narrow window where the balls

are the david plotz man have to forget all their previous victories now as they add to the knockout stages russia place in the quarter finals on says. it's all as well for now we know we'll bring you the news had lunch with fast is the weapon.

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