with civil conflicts whipping through north africa and the middle east there is a real worry that the masses of weapons involved could fall into the wrong hands next starts he hears from a former u.n. expert on how serious the flow of guns is and what is being done about it. with all the talk about diplomacy and humanity the power of the gun still remains the primary means of solving international conflicts to discuss the current state of arms trade and arms trafficking we're now joined by the former u.n. expert on those issues brian johnson thomas thank you very much sir for being with us today let's start with libya and in the beginning of their prizing of the revolution whatever you call it there were concerns that those weapons may fall into the hands of terrorists has already happened in your view well of course it has because it's easier for guns true leaving arsenal want to go. back to recalled

to most of the guns that were looted albania in the nine hundred ninety just still missing. in the hands of criminals as much as the mouths of terrorists. start off by being illegal you could be sold with at some point the guns the cultural problems and. in the case of libya the concerns as you know. a lot of the rebels were until fairly recently also we go there's being in the with al qaida in some cases so there's some more use to what they do with. you know when i was called to call carriage of the market which is always taking an interest in what happens in libya and once you get support for the revolution of any sort then you turn to the control of some of the individuals within it now prior to the uprising russia was one of the main suppliers to libya. but as far as i know it was not the only one and some of the countries that are now waging a campaign

a military campaign against colonel gaddafi are also supplying weapons to his regime quite openly yes because it's interesting isn't it that if you look at the the moral record to the west to nice things is not awfully good we seem to him to be. iraq and libya because they've got something we want i don't see anyone having any great desire to go and invade syria and disposed of president thought so maybe he's got nothing no what he wants so i think that's where real politic comes into play but yes there was a decision taken for whatever reason to support the libyan uprising even though the same countries did go to the security council and get a resolution which in parts imposed an arms about you they then went a long long way beyond those terms of reference you could argue the bombing campaign itself was pushing the envelope so what contraceptive be actually talking about apart from russia who was supplying weapons to all get out i think most

countries not most many countries as i mean i know for example a shipment of pistols from beretta and it's having because it went through most they made a mistake in the paperwork but it was worth nine million euros when you go declare it was nineteen million euros so there was a huge sort of product about it but they were described i think a sporting weapons what you will sport you do with a pistol but anyway so we know even the italians have been involved certainly the british shops sold military systems i didn't know whether it was weapons of such and they were sold radar and this kind of thing high tech kits to the regime so yes as we go whole range of supplies from needy all the usual suspects if you like now also what sort of want to just be talking about and how dangerous it is and your perspective the problem with the straight world why does it every year we make more guns that are destroyed every year the total number of weapons on the

planet is increasing. quite significantly imo you are things that are probably something like ten times more guns are made the not destroyed every year because you want your notions of occasions in culprits trying to get guns out of circulation by buybacks by various programs but they're not be followed by the power that everyone still makes comes out i will always been struck by how cheap guns are to make them so now one thing i noticed when i was in march and the ghaziabad. gun sort of become they seem very fancy i don't fall right the young and so it's almost like having an i pod find american teenager and every young person wants to have his own kalashnikov i'm now wondering whether you can really talk about any serious fight against arms trafficking when you have a cultural young people really thinking that having a kalashnikov is really what makes them cool and she this is

a problem in so i mean there's i was involved some time ago in a sort of the company must have been the on the i will know most of the union saying i'm too old to go without a gun which illustrates the problem certainly for a young man i mean one of the problems that up. with the child soldiers with all of them has been it's actually more fun to be a soldier with a gun because you couldn't take what you want whether it's food or the woman you just take it because you've got to go to their homes and it's awfully hard to get these young men up through the decades of war so going to come back into civilian life so it's a real problem i mean there are international efforts to try and establish what you might call a better organization by imposing minimum standards there is a conference in new york next year after ten years of discussions on and off which will try and organize an arm straight treaty i'm more of the problems at the moment is that what i do want to agree that almost free treats is a good idea to have some control of the home stretch it's what goes in the treaty

which is crushing the problems. there was a famous. bazaar time clergyman called said to ghost a new one said gold give me chastity but not you know it's a good many good ones feel the same way but they need to control the whole story but they don't want to put too many controls of their own on their own business now regardless of what you're saying about it i get off this track record rather than here in support of human knowledge they have to admit that prior to this uprising lead there was a sort of an island of stability and they're relatively good live in africa his approach a turbulent continent. everything that is happening there and with all that flood of. flowing around what sort of implications that could have for the arab rest of the region it has implications certainly for the magreb because it's least in terms of criminals they tend not to stay within borders so you know if you tease you to organize a bank robbery in choosing this or on the basis of weapons you get from this

turmoil in libya yes i agree with you one of the troubles is the. view of the way you could have a society where the gun is king if you have it's vigils with respect to the rule of law so therefore we have to have trust you know police forces there's never enough policeman to control a population by force so we have to be policed by consent. countries which police by consent generally speaking have less gun crime than countries which are about which i'm up so pleased with it it's also true that we have a harsh regime the same thing happens but you tend to find the majority of gun crimes for the most because. people who want to hold an illegal weapon because they don't have any trust in someone else looking after them they don't trust the police to look after them and that's where the problem starts so

unless the libyan transitional national council can vote. quickly establish a trusted. impartial independent police force and that because main cities but if you can separately there will be a temptation on people to keep guns for their own defense when the means is a temptation to use a gun for something which you shouldn't be used what sort of measures do you think the libyan authorities daily been authorities could take it out it's here decreases the. percentage of votes but then the population i mean maybe buying them out there or offering some sort of surrender campaign or find buying guns back years or he says there's not a good i mean i've been told and several sort of by about companies becomes one hundred now discredited when there was one occasion i was working in one ambrose of a hole in the congo going to go twenty years ago and there and i forget the price but we were paying seventy five dollars i was so i could go all the problems on the

other side of the congo river you could buy the fifty books so people were actually bringing guns for the country became a sort of business because a business this is sort of the get the bounty so they then tried different ways around this by saying well as a community as a time when there was a bit of age if you cross a weapon sort of in the forest we'll build you when you shelter or you post a small stuff like that so that seems to work better in some ways i have to say that the problem of getting weapons out of circulation is much more difficult than people tend to think when in kosovo it just felt totally it was a very very expensive company you know it was it was embarrassing you know and everyone looked like a look at it like that if you could be into it it is easier not to get guns out of circulation but to control a nomination because i'm going to sion is happy it's bulky and you can have more success and there's no point having a gun if you're going i'm going to show so many ways so do i mention this is the key to controlling lawson's weapons if they can get i mean or should the i'm going

to is not going to them now i haven't. of a question i'm not sure of whether you can comment on that by the if it's just my personal observation when the surprising began back in march it was primarily driven by the base young people like teenagers and young men in the twenty's who went to the frontlines almost for the fun of it but the pictures right now getting from tripoli show very different sort of troubles there is a middle aged man who seem to be a far more proficient in their handling of the army's. how did that shift happen i think first of all going to be on the ground for the marine. to watch myself growing old and when you're young you think your immortal i think the revolution has become let's go to the stage where it looks like being successful about what i think of the people who are in civilian clothes of the middle age i would guess this is a good officer. of the wind just. fine i have

a question regarding the recent allegations or theories that some countries may be. illegally selling arms to rebel i know that the french have admitted dropping weapons to some rebel groups opposed to exceptionally which uses on the face but it's a breach of the security council resolution which one can only people. particularly when a permanent member of the security council goes wrong crossing a resolution a vote you put i think it's a very broad show but you know real the real world is sometimes not so last place to be in. a british foreign secretary back in the century said the once the person has no permanent friends who couldn't interests and i think that's true of every country is true of russia is true of us truth americans and the french so people will look to their interests as they see them all the time but yes it's about thing when the machine united nations system is not perfect but i would it in its own for

its own i want to work house paintings by going to spec to the nothing else which is the best system we have and i think it's better he unfortunate with the member states of the security council but then he ignores the resolutions they voted for us. thank you very much for pleasure.

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celebrating the women's singles title the. korea the all the so well the day before joe connections child of an adult with a shock winning games three time champion syrian well it's. now the fourth season got underway on monday after thursday's initial stop was postponed like i might see if won't be involved this is not the majority of the team were killed in a plane crash last week old season opener started with a minute of silence commemorating the team says scott and you grabbed and went have to have been one of the seven games here in moscow. was there. this is the toughest time the young league has ever had to live through the cage and through this four season in dead silence.

players remembered in so more tribute to their friends that look and what if you are slowly killed in a plane crash last wednesday and brave. lad four to survive in hospital but best the wait on monday morning. it was sisko knew gruff who opened the season in the russian capital. the army men led by their new coach should get off to a first and furious start. just two minutes into the game. produced a muster piece move to open the scoring one nil. you grew up pushed forward with some good chances to level but it was the host who scored again. question in here to give it to nil it seconds from the first intermission cisco didn't losing their grip in the second period. of netting the third late in the powerplay three

nil is certainly looking like a wipe out for your grub however the visitors didn't give up a couple of ball play goals brought them back into the game three two however it wasn't enough to change the outcome and cis custer the new season with a win. so it's clearly playing in the name of their brothers in hockey will never touch the ice again. they're lost lost or. lost in france and russia. of course are in the sand under thoughts all the time thinking about it. every day in the sun for the rest of us for the best way to drawn around them to deter it starts to turn toward a game especially when it came to stefan so rather than a minor i know the way he. thought about the game love the game love the player to

love every single day of it to. the reaction on the surface at least to be. proud of what i'm doing there and enjoy the game as much as. possible on. trying to get. robert virginia on our t.v. now. games were played a month including the. victory in the mighty of top the team came from three goals down to claim a five three a victory blocks. skinny to the shootout to decide the winner. to grab their respective wins it's not. defeated slovakia. in four meanwhile the government will have to look and see and fulfill all

financial obligations to the families of the plaza died in the crash president alexandra de mint of age of also explained why the team is expected to play again. you know over the next three months we're going to will be playing in the youth hockey league starting from december they will play in the highs domestic league all the home games will be played in her mind it's arena two thousand units novel the club will join the kitchen again next season they will also be guaranteed a player of sport regardless of where they finish in the season but i'm sure it will not lead in indulgence it will again become a team of the highest level and now let's move on to football the champions league gets underway tonight and the travelling to cyprus to face our oil elsewhere boss last saw the title defense against another european giant a similar accounting though showdown as one of the opening fixtures in group h. hoping to continue their unbeaten run having not lost in their last town champions league home games the gallons only absence of care while the long legs several key

players way of life and they brought him a bitch and of being a man god has sidelined with injuries bottom of the iniesta sounds the team is happy to open against their longtime rivals and fellow consonantal content as. the team is happy because we're starting the champions league it will be a nice game very special game to start with on the right food we start the group stage with a good to say she is there to victory brings and inopportune to to do things the right way will play the game with great concentration and spirit hoping that everything will turn out well. and group chelsea will look to start their champions think again on the manager under their boss with a home win against them used by a lot of things in their lives for the soul at home record as well of big name the last twenty three group matches the new boss apparently hoping to extend that streak. elsewhere the europa league title holders will be years before she was in charge of before moving to chelsea and same. as support to house the

ukrainians in group g. tonight hoping for more glory on the new manager venter pereira. we start with the hope of doing our best in the champions league we are clearly increasing our quality of play therefore we start with confidence in this stage we believe we can move on to the next stage and go forward this is our main objective and also in that group's a nice place to go and scalp while as i've said elsewhere in group baru santos also know and any place small say. group the wild barcelona and the long have made those. who are here for company in group h. russia's second side to the champions league says khan bosco will play on. and over to russian for below a week twenty three arrests up on monday with the sole match. taric two one away in the chechen capital. open for the visitors twenty minutes in combating from the

spot after a foul in the box against religious love. the chance unseen levelled matters four minutes after that got of getting the allies with his header following across from the right side of the break though trower a struck his second in the fifteenth minute to solidify in the result of two one as he made the most of the defenders mistake this was torres ninth bill. in the table . over to basketball now where at the european championships in lithuania russia have kept one hundred percent track of thanks to win over mustard though and in their last group stage game sixty three sixty one the final school their russia captain said a game born is three points they gave the russians in their own way with the buzzer but david plotz men have to forget all their previous victories now as the and tell stages russia place in the quarter finals on thursday. and it's all

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