scruton syllables of the. song pray for agents of the government to take them to the edge of the swimming pool but not to mention the scary thing in their part somebody else. has a trailer from the film better this world and yesterday i spoke to brad crowder on whom the film was based here's what he had to say we didn't really have any plans as we built it it was something we were sort of going through. and the moment but the closest thing we came to as far as the plan was to use them against a jumbotron like a democratic jumbotron as an act of property destruction we made the explicit decision to do everything we could do to not use them against people we didn't want to be armed by on but the morning of september person we woke up we decided we didn't want to use them and we left them there to destroy the later got it and then that you were as you said arrested a couple days later you also mentioned being with someone who you looked up to are

you talking about brandon darby. yeah branded i.v. was the person who sort of. well it's a kind of i'm in for shit roll of tween me and david it was primarily the trip our relationship was myself david and brant and argue with people that we knew the people who came from houston. to the pros as well as we didn't know them except through granite r.v. brennan darby organized them and introduced us to them and got them to come out so we didn't have any relationship to anybody really other than brandon darby and i don't read it is featured in the documentary and it seems like a pretty stand up guy i mean somebody who started an organization that helped feed hundreds of people victims of hurricane katrina he's passionate he specifically you know called you and your friends to action seems like somebody that you might want to associate with but from what i understand he later became an f.b.i.

informant if brendan someone you blame for what you've gone through the last couple of years i'm not really interested in and point fingers and language i mean i have to take a certain level of responsibility for my own actions but i think when people especially if they watch the documentary and see how things develop i think there's it's a complicated situation and everybody bears some responsibility for mistakes and you know in some cases some really unethical behavior so you were you were arrested along with your friend david mackay and how long did you spend behind bars and kind of what was the legal process that happened. i spent twenty one months behind bars i was sentenced to years and with a good time in the federal system it's fifteen percent. reduced so to twenty one months the court situation was prolonged i spent about fourteen to fifteen months of my twenty one month in cars ration. in county county jail which means i was

going through all the court process through that i didn't see the sign or go outside or have any access to fresh air for about fourteen months while the court proceedings were going on and then when i received my sentence i had about six months left and so they sent me to texas the initial the remainder of my sentence and released me in may and is your client your friend david that was involved in this he is still in jail is that right he is still incarcerated was huge four years and i really controversial sentence that was handed down i adamantly disagree with that i think it was a travesty i think it was totally unfair and i'm called or what he did receive that time and be currently incarcerated he should be out and play out. in a month but we're not allowed to speak to each other so i have to go on what i hear from other people and bad people familiar with their story tend to look at it in one of two ways either they see you and your friend david as domestic terrorists or they see you as this and i've been trapped by the government i'm curious what you

have to say to people with both of those ideas i mean i don't think. i think if you look at if you watch the movie or if you go over our case i think what some of the parent is that it's not a clear case of black and right that david and i clearly made the mistake that we've taken responsibility from taking responsibility for but also there is a certain role that the government and the employment played it has to be looked at really critically so i think if you're looking for like heroes and villains you might want to but if you're looking for a case study in a really complex and you want that you asian i think people that look at this walk away asking a lot of really hard questions that really need to be answered i think one of those hard questions is the way that our system has changed in the last ten years certainly since nine eleven there have been immense changes to the intelligence community and i really feel like your case is one that highlights one of those

major changes because before nine eleven f.b.i. informants were only allowed to watch and listen to people suspected of carrying out criminal activity now they are allowed to encourage radical thinking kind of to participate in the drumming up of support and energy of a plan i guess i want to get your thoughts on the impact of such a change on you and on our society as a whole but i think that's a really good point and a lot of people are drawn that out and i think when you look at a lot of the issues with you know when people have when muslims and you know. when muslims have been targeted in fact by by the system what happened there's almost always an element to come in and there's even been cases where mosques will call the f.b.i. and say oh well there's this person here saying really crazy things we think i'm out a check i'm out and they never check him out and it turns out that person was saying all this crazy stuff was the informant was coming into the you know mosques and

things like that and so you get this really sticky situation where it's like we're trying to stop criminal activity by creating criminals and it's like what's even the question what's the point and it is actually stopping crime or is it just creating things to benefit you know the different bureaucracies in the different interest that my you know have an interest and busting those criminals i think that's an interesting point and i do want to point out though i mean we just are coming off the tenth anniversary of september eleventh and you know most government leaders in america would say the prevention of terrorism is still the number one goal i'm wondering i mean do you think it shouldn't be as much of a priority it as it is or do you think that they're just taking a wrong approach i mean certainly. having the government keep an eye on people that may be planning something a lot of people think is a good idea. no i absolutely think we need to stop terrorism i think that's why we

need to stop dropping bombs on us you know civilians in the middle east i think that's why we need to start shipping people up the guantanamo bay to be tried are charged with any crimes i think terrorism is a travesty and so people want to stop terrorism they should stop supporting it they should start producing and they should start making it an intrinsic part of you know international policy if you really want to fight terrorism start where you can you know work most effectively start creating the conditions to give rise to people lashing out and that was activist crowder coming up in a half hour it's the united states of islamophobia it's been ten years since american named osama bin laden as the suspects behind the nine eleven terrorist attacks and even though he's gone he's been killed americans are still consumed with a culture of fear and hate toward the muslim community from special hearings on homegrown terrorists to f.b.i. and travel and and mainstream media fear mongering will any of this ever change or

will americans always be scared of the big bad muslim will have carol swain professor of political science and of law at vanderbilt and in one of the all the new stuff to debate some of these questions will be coming up new at five pm and that's going to do it for now but for more on the stories we covered go to our team dot com slash usa or check out our youtube page at youtube dot com slash r t america i'm christine present on. wealthy british scientists. time to. market why not. come to find out what's really happening to the global economy

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the mission of free credit haitian free comes for charges free coming from inside the free risk free studios tonight free. download free books you know splitting video for your media projects and a free media don carty dot com. it's placement is another of the war's consequences the forced migration of civilians has profound impacts on the natural environment this image was taken in one thousand nine hundred six after the tens of million government decided to close camps for rwandan wreckage a column of refugees this photo stretched for twenty seven miles toward the rwandan border. these women are i.d.p.'s internally displaced persons

although they have fled the genocide in darfur province they have not crossed the sudanese border and are not considered refugees under international law collect wood for cooking they must risk being attacked by their gender we government backed arab militiamen will target the sudan's black population. with their heavy demand for would stand six million internally displaced persons head for their stress to a landscape already degraded by climate change into certification. internal displacement is a growing problem in iraq an estimated two million civilians have been displaced since the start of operation iraqi freedom i.d.p. camps have sprung up in the outskirts of now jeff baghdad and nineveh and many like potable water medicine and proper waste disposal. the real risk of not addressing

the environmental problems is that people simply have to leave their homes if they don't have wood to burn cook with to heat their homes where they don't have water to drink they leave and you see massive displacement happening we call it environmental refugees if you will but people are leaving their homes this creates a demand on resources it creates a demand on infrastructure and ultimately displacement undermines the peace process in the vietnam war which had been. the american war. there's a clash and was a clash between the very highly technological society in a largely agrarian society face we have a lot of arrogance we thought would we go in and take control blow up what would you even grow up and do basically what we wanted.

one of the main reasons that i refused to carry a weapon was that i could not see any justification for the destruction of the lands at the level that i saw an infantry platoon. was mainly moved from place to place by helicopter the helicopters would fly high so as not to draw ground fire when you're at a high altitude and you can look out on the land and see it for miles and miles and miles in the calm she area is specially there were times and places where i would look out and see nothing but a ravenous landscape bomb craters one after the other so close together and you see little islands of green and it had not been bombed. i grew up in

a small town in illinois. a town surrounded by corn fields and fields very beautiful towns along the illinois river. and when i saw from high in the sky and destruction to the right hand i couldn't help wondering what if that had happened to our cornfields are being feels i would really feel if that happened. i don't think that. i was i. i went to that war knowing nothing at all but when i saw that level of destruction

i could not be that this was going to lead to democracy this was a line in the sand was going to. put the cause of freedom. i wast whatever little faith i had in the war being noble in any sense. it's. far away in the pacific as the tiny atoll of bikini and a. dozen spot on the on beefing of mankind was edible thought a little bit of

a god of many ships because the navy mandated by goats pigs and white rats a way to get comic plots. army and navy personnel commissar to carry out that task to deal with the islanders who lived on a japanese mandate not ready yet now to jamie the. united states now wants to turn its great hit hour in something part of bennett. and. he are the first step. i think it's generally the case that the greater and more durable impacts come from preparation for war rather than combat itself. but depends mimes parm to

support the men who march and say in one flood but the mobilization reaches still corridor into the life of the nation actors must bring in the forests and trees must fall for the sawmills wait for law and builders right for lumber states feel the need to be militarily prepared in the modern world that has meant building a military industrial complex building a pollution intensive industry to generate military goods one of the best examples of how the business of preparing for war can have long lasting environmental impacts is the nuclear weapons programs around the world that have been in place since the early one nine hundred forty s. wherever this is happened there have been environmental problems with radioactive waste. which no one anywhere has satisfactorily saw.

i grew up near the camp in their education in washington state when the nuclear bombs were developed there little thought was given to what to do about the waste that would be felt afterwards indeed now the u.s. department of energy calls hanford the world's largest environmental cleanup project pan for washington is the site where the united states has essentially accumulated its nuclear waste mostly from weapons work also from nuclear power and other radioactive related industries hanford was constructed in one nine hundred forty two and the top secret manhattan project its location along the columbia river provided a ready source of water for cooling nuclear reactors a head for an engineering works produced the plutonium used in the trinity test device and in the fat man released on like

a sucky production of plutonium intensified during the cold war one hundred sixty three the dual purpose n. reactor less constructed to generate nuclear power for civilian use the rear building completed in nineteen sixty three. to break structure. and i think it very a copycat that we come in. with their watches beyond repair of the current state but united. by the chance to strike a blow for peace and the final chance to strike a blow for a better life. this is a great american while i can assure you it will be maintained and from the work we began today i repeat my work throughout the night for the pilot chris but the world relies on the united states. in providing security for our people. and operate for a fellow like you. but the.

since the production of his own name ceased in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven cleanup has been the only mission ahead for a nuclear reservation there are fifty three million gallons of high level radioactive and chemical waste and first stored in one hundred seventy seven underground tanks seventy of these tanks have leaked spilling out proximately one million gallons of waste into the soil. after washington is a wasteland of leaking radioactive waste that will be with us for decades and decades probably centuries to come and it's currently costing us billions of dollars to just try to contain let alone clean up in truth it's never going to be cleaned up and some of the radioactive waste will remain potentially lethal for twenty four thousand years which is any way you slice it

a long time. the united states used to stockpile chemical weapons unbeknown to most of the world in germany and in okinawa with u.s. troops in japan and those two stockpiles which were never used of course were shipped back secretly to just an asshole in the pacific and one of the world's largest incinerators was built in the middle of a wildlife refuge and that process in burning those chemical weapons from okinawa in germany took place in one thousand nine hundred two to the year two thousand john snapple has penned it still is being studied but that's actually a very interesting case of a unique coral reef really in the middle of the pacific ocean it's about seven hundred fifty miles west of hawaii that was used as

a launch site for atmospheric nuclear testing. for vehicle for. a one of a column casualties. as a stick. which caused the fire that's more efficient. missile anymore at the moment. when at least one of the atmospheric tests with a hydrogen bomb blew up on the launch pad a good part of just now told was left with highly radioactive plutonium debris twenty years later all the agent orange that was all dumped on joints are stored as they say on johnson outs all that really over time became a dump site of agent orange and now thirdly we put chemical weapons on john stossel

this national wildlife refuge under the fish and wildlife department has really been used and abused by the military over the ages. for. only a few hours upon it was wiped out and all she knows efficient little accounting for now. and it had made before you what to do in such as shelters the people calmly waited all unaware that all that it is sending up on them was the atom bomb. when it was all about four and a half square miles of it also a moment but on monday lasted through extinction and all shattering devastation in which was born that tommy gage. radiation affects what has to be imprinted on bones in front of john like present shadow and that outlined on a building the design of

a dress left on the body of a woman who would die in a few days in. office of. members of the so cold nuclear club states known detonated nuclear weapons give their best to the foreign soil among them at least two thousand deaths have been conducted disappear under water underground and in space. we're retaining tens of thousands of nuclear weapons when probably a few hundred would be enough for deterrence we have nuclear weapons far in excess of any conceivable need for as the strongest conventional power by orders of magnitude in the world for this country to say that

we need nuclear weapons what does that signal to the rest of the world. that they must be very valuable and that they probably would want to get them selves i mean i think islam is any nation retained sneakily weapons other nations who want them a few years. years ago about was a real promise of hope for the poor both black and white through the poverty program and then came the buildup in vietnam. and i watched this program broken and it was a rated as if it was some i don't political play thing about society gone mad on war and i am knew that america would never invest the necessary dollar in it is in rehabilitation of it. so long as that ventures like continue to draw men and skills and money right found him on it just struck him

to. the world's currently spending somewhere around two trillion you a stylus on the wall and preparations for war and this enormous division for a fraction of that a man we could have played water sanitation education good health care for everybody on the planet that's a terrible position for still since. any war takes place on a matter how large or how small has enormous costs to it we're talking in lebanon today billions of dollars of heating up just a fifteen day war let alone you know that years and years of warfare in iraq or afghanistan or vietnam or wherever else they may take place so the costs of war really. if they well understood and in most cases they're not but if they well understood should preclude the war to begin with the war is not worth the cost in terms of lives but also long term environmental and public health damage from

decades to come. fast and furious a particular problem in this time a concern that that climate change just one example i think illustrates that well if we imagine one if sixteen thought. to change flying for just under one ad he says approximately twice as much oil as he every chimeric can see dissent he says in he's ok if you hear. the f. sixteen is just one machine in one branch of the military to take another example the army's abrams tank weighs sixty eight tons requires two gallons of fuel per mile all told the united states department of defense burned some three hundred fifty thousand barrels of oil per day making it the world's largest single consumer the defense department uses i think somewhat over two thirds of the energy. that

the u.s. government. uses and it uses them for ships and tanks and planes and heating buildings and a whole host of other things. probably the largest impact that all the defense effort has is a diversion of intellectual hundred g. and our monetary resources away from trying to solve and address some of the long term problems. in sea level is also rising and in louisiana we've been losing thirty square miles a year roughly. of land i mean if the united states were losing that to some foreign power we'd have the military out there defending him. we often ask the question where were you on september eleventh well i remember that

very clearly because i was in new york and i was there specifically to give a bunch an address at the new york times on the new book eco economy building an economy for the year. well by mid-morning that lunch was already history terrorism is a threat no question about it but on my list of threats to our future. there are many more serious threats climate change being an obvious one population growth being another the economy does not exist in a vacuum it is entirely dependent on the earth's natural systems and resources and if we damage and destroy those systems and resources then the economy will eventually decline and one day collapse the challenge is not too fresh not high tech military response to terrorism that will work the challenge is to build an environmentally sustainable equitable society that will do more to one.