mine terrorism and any possible high tech military weapon systems we can devise. the other exciting thing is that almost everything we need to do has already been done by at least one country. in his book plan b. lester brown uses scientific and economic studies together with data from the world bank united states government and the united nations to draft a global budget for restoring the earth we look at the two sort of major components of what we think it's going to take to create a sustainable future one is poverty eradication and population stabilization and we treat those as one because we think they're closely related when we put the budgets together for eradicating poverty stabilizing population plus what we call the earth restoration budget it comes to a total of one hundred sixty one billion dollars now that's a lot of money it's a third of the u.s. military budget. it's a third of the u.s.

military budget and u.s. military budget is half of the global military budget which is now about a trillion dollars and if you asked the question could we reduce the u.s. military budget by a third. and shift those expenditures into poverty eradication population stabilization earth restoration i think it's clear that we would do far more to ensure our future than if we just stay with a half trillion dollars of u.s. taxpayer money going to military purposes. the environment is intergroup part of our national security and i don't mean that in a trite and cliched way our resource constraints even if we were to defend ourselves i think we need those resources and if we're not going to be able to preserve them it is strategically tactically and just common sense wise

a big mistake as security concerns are discussed the environment is immediately trumped and people say well we have to move forward because this is a matter of our survival and what we have been suggesting is that the environment itself has a very survivalist take element which so protecting the environment should be considered that a lot of. environmental harms should be considered what we call in the political theory common over this if you're at a crossroads you have two cars that have divergent interests one is going in one direction the other in the other direction they're not going the same direction but they have a common aversion which is getting into an accident. and they're likely to cooperate over that going to version whether it's through a stop sign both from some kind of traffic regiment. even sides that and not like

to cooperate on other things and have divergent interests they may still have gone and version of. rising temperatures rising seas and intensifying storms eroding coastlines falling water tables vanishing habitats and species abroad threats facing us in the twenty first century our environmental yet the environment is consistently overshadowed by the immediacy of war and preparations for war it is an extremely difficult to get the nation mobilized against something that is a long term as opposed to a short term problem as long as there is no emphasis or insufficient emphasis from the national leadership to protect the environment you probably cannot expect the military to give it high priority what we're looking at now is a threat to our global civilization and saving. our civilization is not

a spectator sport we're going to change the system now and that means become politically active i mean supporting political candidates who understand the issues of what to do something about it it means letting elected representatives whether members of the city council or members of congress or parliaments around the world let them know about our concerns and what we expect and can deliver after this is going to decide whether we make or not we have to become politically active. as.

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you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for langley you think you understand it and then he lived something else you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harvey welcome to the big picture. playing. more news today violence is once again flared up the film these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada the fine talk for a shelter all day plenty. he's

been going to domestic terrorist but is it possible bribe proud or just in the wrong place at the wrong time running with the wrong crowd who will have his side of the story. the muslims are terrorists but all terrorists all muslim and without the rise of american islamophobia so with osama bin laden out of the way of the u.s. military spending higher than ever who's afraid of the big bad muslim. and if the bird is a plane no it's the first meeting of the congressional super committee so will these lawmakers use their powers to defeat america's kryptonite or is the defense budget simply invincible.

and there it is tuesday september thirteenth five pm in washington d.c. and christine for example you're watching our team. well it would be difficult to refute that the point that since nine eleven we as a society have changed profoundly we think differently about the way the world sees us we travel differently and many of us don't even think twice when we hear stories about our government using enhanced forms of intelligence gathering to prevent violence to young men learned this the hard way when they attended the republican convention in two thousand and eight and were encouraged by a friend and mentor to take their protest to the next level that friend and mentor turned out to be an f.b.i. informant and one of those men was just released from prison for his actions the other remains locked up for another two years now earlier this month their story

came out in a documentary on p.b.s. and here are some clips from it. this case was in this new england secret service that was a domestic terrorist i want to go to the bar and see to protest because i want to change the world and i believe it can be changed the selling somebody. because we have seen today detail extensive use of informants inside told terrorist groups can still miss the country. would solve the race for agents of the government to go to this woman for that matter which of the scary thing. well yesterday i spoke to activist brad crowder on whom the film was based he was in austin texas and we talked about his story which tends to often be viewed by people and one of two ways either people see brad and his friend david mackay as domestic terrorists or they see them as victims of entrapment this was his response

it's not a clear case of black and white but david and i clearly made mistakes mistakes that we've taken responsibility from or taking responsibility or but also there is a certain role that the government and the woman played it has to be looked at really critically so i think if you're looking for like heroes and villains you might be disappointed but if you're looking for a case study in a really complex and nuanced situation i think people that look at this what walk away are asking a lot of really hard questions that really need to be answered i think one of those hard questions is the way that our system has changed in the last ten years certainly since nine eleven there have been immense changes to the intelligence community and i really feel like your case is one that highlights one of those major changes because before nine eleven f.b.i. informants were only allowed to watch and listen to people suspected of carrying out criminal activity now they are allowed to encourage radical thinking kind of to participate in the drumming up of support and energy of

a planned i guess i want to get your thoughts on the impact of such a change on you and on our society as a whole. i think that's a really good point and a lot of people are drawn that out and i think when you look at a lot of the issues with you know when people have when muslims and. when muslims have been targeted in fact by the system what happens is there's almost always an element that comes in and there's even been cases where mosques will call the f.b.i. and say oh well there's this person here we say and really crazy think we think i'm out a check him out and they never check him out and it turns out that person was saying all this crazy stuff was the informant was coming into these you know mosques and things like that and so you get this really sticky situation where it's like we're trying to stop criminal activity by creating criminals and it's like once you get to have to ask the question what's the point even if that is actually stopping

crime or is it just creating things to. benefit you know the different bureaucracies in the different interest that my you know have an interest and busting those criminals i think that's an interesting point and i do want to point out though i mean we just are coming off the tenth anniversary of september eleventh and you know most government leaders in america would say the prevention of terrorism is still the number one goal i'm wondering i mean do you think it should be as much of a priority it as it is or do you think that they're just taking a wrong approach i mean certainly. having the government keep an eye on people that may be planning something a lot of people think is a good idea. nah i absolutely think we need to stop terrorism i think that's why we need to stop dropping bombs on civilians in the middle east i think that's why we need to stop shipping people up to guantanamo bay never to be tried or charged with any crimes i think terrorism is a travesty and so if people want to stop terrorism they should stop supporting it

they should stop producing it is just making it an intrinsic part of you know international policy if you really want to fight terrorism start where you can work most effectively start creating the conditions to give rise to people lashing out in desperate ways so that he think the government was wrong to be you know have their eye on you. i think the government was wrong to have their eye on us we were up to no good i mean like in the sense that we were going up there to protest and engage in civil disobedience but in the the idea that we were going out there to engage in violent activity i mean if you look at the court documents and if you look at you know the testimonies you can see that we were actually repudiating a lot of ways violent activity and it wasn't until we saw the overreach and you know the desperate situations of you know sort of occupied mentality that came out of you know st paul that we began to like lose touch with what we were you know what we believed in before and when we had the woman who had told us that it was

important to step up to the plate and be willing to you know make sacrifices and do these things when you put all these superheated you know elements together you know people make people make bad choices you know and i made i made a mistake but i think it's more complicated than just like oh we were going up there to bomb people that's clearly not the case and we clearly didn't want to hurt anybody and that's my last question for you brad if there is a lesson to be learned from your case and yours and david's case what do you hope that lesson is. i mean i think my perspective is i still come from a perspective of oh an activist somebody who's still involved in struggle i'm still involved in organizing and i think other young people and other activists need to recognize that. when you get desperate you can't just substitute your own activity you can't lash out and expect that to change anything that's a silk ish and impatient and immature decision we have to work hard in our

communities to organize and to build up you know the mass movements that can really change to sions that create you know global terrorism to create use these conditions that you know we all just are so shocked you know you know four or five bar so hopefully young people continue to struggle what will what do you gauge and serious mass movement and political activity and not by our criminal activity and that was a portion of my interview with activist brad crowder now another look at the way in which we've changed since the attacks of nine eleven it was ten years ago today that a man named osama bin laden a muslim was named as the suspects behind the attacks but in many ways the fear of this one man has morphed into the rise and the spread of islamophobia throughout society from congressman peter king hearings on the radicalization of muslims in america that many compared to mccarthyism to the bitter and often hate filled campaign against building a mosque near ground zero it didn't take long for the radical right to start

peddling the myth that sharia law will somehow make its way to the u.s. since then more than a dozen states have adopted legislation banning sharia law there's also been countless examples of the f.b.i. and n.y.p.d. infiltration of mosques and systematic entrapment of muslim terrorists so is this government leaders trying to stay vigilant or does it illustrate that people seem to revel in the idea of a muslim bogeyman are to correspondent honest takes a look. anti muslim sentiment in the us for we are and suspicion i repeat we are facing the rise of islam on naziism a decade after bin laden became the poster child of evil as the man behind nine eleven and even after his death hate towards the concept of islam has grown increasingly widespread not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists all muslims who stood by the media what is the number of islamic terrorists one percent

. i think it's closer to ten percent and politicians like congressman peter king who initiated a special hearing on the threat of homegrown muslim terrorists who actually radicalized in the united states prove anti muslim bias is a plenty starting with f.b.i. entrapment muslims into considering crimes they otherwise would not with police provocateurs wars organizing every single aspect and then taping it this has really destroyed the lives of young people and their families in new york you have eleven hundred to type in the intelligence unit eventually need to just bite their funding just as the department of homeland security needs to justify its depriving straightforward ethnic profiling. reflects our. experience of personal harassment personal discrimination. in last year and.

to storing frenzies surrounding mosque building plans near ground zero or even in tennessee ironically if you go to ground zero and you look around it's all surrounded by a whole lot of trucks most of their years and all the way to the peddling of myths that shariah law is the legal code of islam are about to be adopted in the u.s. . leading to. bills. and where you have roughly seven million muslims live in the us yet many americans have never had any real encounters with the community i corrupt in the northern midwest and anybody who tried to say that mexicans were going to take our jobs we have to confront the fact that really there were no mexicans living where we live and

that's kind of the same thing here regardless of this argument. it's escalated to a point where i think in many ways it's it's good because it allows people to see how raw the bigotry really. here has also helped distract attention from frightening issues that whole there is a very serious economic crisis and so we think that is anti muslim pokers is really scapegoating and provided us with public support for wars throughout the muslim world we've been attacking muslim countries like they're going out of style for the last ten years the united states has really positioned itself with all these all of its involvement in afghanistan iraq yemen somalia libya for blowback post nine eleven islamophobia in the u.s. is similar to anti japanese sentiment after pearl harbor but there are no internment camps in the the muslim community feels like it's harder siege with even a prayer at the mosque and likely under someone's watchful eye as

a target are to new york. so i think has merit a deeper look into the notion of islamophobia in america today and to help me take a deeper look i'm joined now by carol swain professor of political science and law at vanderbilt university in nashville tennessee carroll is also the author of be the people a call to reclaim america's faith and promise and here in studio i have him on the all the moves on director of the masjid all islamic islamic center here in washington d.c. thank you both for being here and let's just start with the report that we just saw in the end our correspondent on a starter turkana makes the comparison of islamophobia to anti japanese sentiment after pearl harbor some have also compared it to mccarthyism in mom i'll start with you do you think about is a fair comparison. no i think this is more like truism would you use a german you know thirty's the way muslims are being treated the way just as

occasion is made to spy on muslims all over the united. to allow entrapment and what have you and a general open harassment of muslims is worse to mccarthyism it was more like naziism because there's a state of fear that exists in the muslim community today carol i want to get your response to die do you think that islamophobia here in america first of all is alive and well and do you think it can be compared to naziism first of all i'd like to thank you for having me on the show i disagree with the slant of the newscasts i think that there are some americans that are concerned about islam radical islam but i don't see hatred of muslims there are far more anti-semitism then i then there are acts of violence against anyone in the muslim community and i believe that americans see what's happening in europe and that they are rightly concerned we have to be able to talk about this without being labeled as haters and racists

or whatever other put it that you want to throw out i don't hear a let me ask you this when we saw for example on the math protest that came out against the mosque near ground zero the islamic center there as well as these hearings on capitol hill you don't think there was an element of hatred in any of those things. no i think that peter king was doing his responsibility by conducting the hearings there's been something like twenty percent of black prisoners there have converted to islam we know dead al-qaeda is recruiting american citizens yes corn citizens are to create to commit terrorist activities and so peter king's hearing i think that's congress two hundred and with the ground zero mosque i thank you it was inappropriate to seek to place of mass so close to the site of that tragedy it was called just made on the part of some organizers in the muslim

community i believe americans would be less afraid it if more muslim leaders would come out and condemn palance continuum anti-semitism and show that they really want to be americans they don't want to realize that us but they realize that we can only have one america. even here on muslim leader in this community do you think it's your responsibility to come and do that well let me explain a few things the sisters think totally misguided on many issues the first issue relates to muslims in prison because i did a little time in prison myself except a true islam while i was in prison in wales we were created by al qaeda or in present islam changed me for transformation from one of the main drug dealers in northern california multimillion dollar peroration from a drug dealer going down to colombia and started to bring back drugs myself even after being hassled here from back to islam trying to help raise

humanity up to a higher level to start trying to create wars around the world other thing is is that islam is transforming not only individuals lives but say the black community itself there's no program in the federal state and local governments that can even approach the reformative aspect of islam in prisons for the government to hassle prisoners who are trying to change who need a strong tiny a strong a dissimilar process to help lift them out of crime we believe that islam there's another issue on the attitude of muslims just this last week in september that there is a program united we stand these are all prominent muslims one nation one destiny with all of this lama phobia with many of these people being arrested

and challenged they had a big program here in washington d.c. called united we stand one nation living here and and if you were to read it you would see that they are saying one nation one destiny you know civil revolutionary call united we stand. vote before with all of their oppression the muslim look gone out of their way i mean been over backwards to see let's all work together we human beings goes one more program this one has kong. in god we trust the same program. everybody knows that this is on the money in america these are all american ideals and the muslims are brick in their bag trying to cooperate we're. the dictators like peter king well let me go back to carol because i don't think they carol swain is saying that you and others that all

muslims are bad but i think that she is saying and carol answer me this i mean you're saying that there needs to be some sort of closer look taken at the muslim community is that correct no i think the muslim community needs to it where they acknowledging that there is a public relations problem but it would be very helpful if some of the muslim leaders instead of calling people that criticize islam haters and nazis and whatever they want to how they are they need. to try to breach differences and condemn some of the violence and not take such extremist rhetoric i think the tone of this program since the hand signal i'm more concerned about anti-semitism because it is growing if you look at the f.b.i. hate crime statistics it's the jews in america and in parts of the world that are really running for their lives the other wants to see him threaten i'd like to see

us can be there we have to have a society where we can talk about islam but rather radical islam the recruitment of black young people in prison i've had relatives recruit it became about hating white people it cannot be good for society we need to be able to talk about these things without being column names. the biggest demonstration for muslims and america was in one thousand nine hundred three it was muslims. spearheaded. a move to help protect bosnia bosnians oh no wait this racial hatred this is all muslims it was spearheaded by the pakistani community in a black community we led it we did all the security and not footwork that we protected we were trying to protect people who were being slaughtered in europe they were white people and i'm aside here and i say it is why does it not we're just meant let me explain something to save the jews i haven't

a prop and he said sim it isn't is a big problem in the us would see it a thing of the book yes but if you have the new york times if you have media outlets all over the world if you have hollywood going your way i don't you would have to live as a muslim you would have to live as a muslim you would have to be stopped in napa ports you would have to be jailed and go down a street because i've had it all happen to me recently i'm trying to tell you that muslims are the ones that are being oppressed today in the us i will tell you that the matter is really going to cause you know i have a look at your house young lady and you've been in the house all the time to say this here i hate you we hate all pression right don't nobody like to highlight that why not let me get a final word from carolyn personally gratifying cara what what we got you were just hang that we are we all hate oppression and i think that the muslim community in america that people are reaching out to them that's a mosque.