tv [untitled] September 13, 2011 11:01pm-11:31pm EDT
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at least nine people have been killed and twenty wounded in a way with a ton of fun violence in the heart of the afghan capital kabul insurgents a toxic american embassy a nato coalition headquarters with guns and grenades along with suicide blasts in the city. the percentage of people living in poverty in the u.s. has reached its highest level so more on that and lots of stories in the alone a show for all that's up next turn. welcome to the lone show the real headlines with none of them are saying i can live in washington d.c. now tonight we can take a look at last night's republican debate i mean teen party debate on c.n.n. we're going to ask if it's proved once and for all that there isn't any difference between the two also the census bureau has released new figures showing the over
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forty six million people live below the poverty line in the u.s. that is the highest number that it's been since they started measuring so why does the media continue to act like it's had to subject let's talk about what it really means for america and did fannie mae bail out bank of america last month that might be the case and you had nobody's talking about that either anthony rand as i was going to fill us in with all the details or have all of that and more feet and i included because of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. so today the mainstream media continued for once to remember that there's a war going on in afghanistan as the u.s. embassy in kabul came under attack and this one they were all over. it workers at the american embassy in kabul are hunkered down three different attacks one day in the heart in the heart of what is to be the most secure area of the taliban launching a series of coordinated attacks against the u.s.
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embassy and i think the signal in afghanistan is that karzai is weak police so you would need a series of attacks holding the american embassy to headquarters five or six taliban militants went to the roof of this thirteen story building that was still under construction they were carrying many rocket propelled grenades. now while i applaud their efforts you know my feelings on this only covering the longest war in u.s. history where there's a. one hundred thousand troops when there's a big event that doesn't mean that you actually cover the war it doesn't make up for the lack of coverage the rest of the year round and this make up for the lack of questions that we hear coming from anchors and pundits about why we're still fighting there or why attacks against u.s. embassies and u.s. and coalition troops continue and you know today we've actually been the perfect day for that to you not to any day isn't the right day but for the mainstream media there has to be some kind of a new you know some kind of sound bite that they can play off of something catchy
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that justifies bringing it up and last night at c.n.n. tea party debate congressman ron paul provided a perfect soundbite when it finally came time to talk about the war in afghanistan and defense spending in our post nine eleven world congressman paul was the only one willing to talk about the uncomfortable truth that our actions have consequences but we're under grave threat because we occupy so many countries were in one hundred thirty countries we have nine hundred bases around the world we're going broke the purpose of the kind it was to attack us invite us over there where they can target us and they have been doing it they have more attacks against us and the american interest per month than occurred in all the years before nine eleven but we're there occupying their land and if we think we can do there and not have retaliation we're kidding ourselves we have to be honest with ourselves. now that is probably the most illogical thing that anybody said all night at that debate all americans might not like hearing it we have to be able to be honest with
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ourselves we have to be able to comprehend that our foreign policy can hurt not only others but us as well that includes our reactions to nine eleven the decade of war that's followed it we have to get at that our military is more than nine hundred bases that we have around the world the drone strikes that we launch in other countries that they have real life consequences and they can create terror two lives are lost civilians are killed or displaced and caught in the cross-hairs that changes perceptions that makes other people. to react when it's their family and their home base that's being occupied or interfered with and as we hear so many people asking now if we're safer ten years after nine eleven we have to take a good hard look at why we're not we have to realize that launching wars and drone strikes of military operations in iraq afghanistan pakistan yemen somalia libya you know that list is going to go on we have to know that we're not the only ones on this earth what gives us the right to treat the entire planet like our military base what gives us the right to torture and detain people indefinitely and ask
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others to torture for us especially when we claim to hold the banner for freedom and democracy and the rule of law what gives us the right to ignore common sense and yet every single other republican candidate is willing to do just that they just went all out about american exceptionalism our right to bomb everyone at last night's debate but ron paul at least opened the door for that real conversation what happened while he was brushed off treated like some weird for in jena and forgotten about and all of the media coverage today going over last night's debate that was in a soundbite that was played over and over and over again when it should have been because it's the mainstream media that's just as guilty of shielding its eyes to that reality because they serve the higher powers they don't want you to think for yourself either so they serve and they miss but if we keep doing that if we don't talk about it confront it then we're going to lose.
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all right so let's talk more about last night's c.n.n. tea party debate with eight of the g.o.p. presidential candidates now mind you there was still no gary johnson no fred karger nobody roemer all of whom we've interviewed on the show all of whom continue to be excluded from all those made debates we have to ask if there is anything particularly tea party about this one and i'm not sure i think mostly we heard more of the same rhetoric on immigration obamacare h.p.v. and of course. social security there were some actually good questions about the fed and executive orders taken from people in the audience but they weren't even addressed to every candidate maybe they ran out of time because c.n.n. that a ten minute long open the resemble an n.b.a. all-star game more than a political debate but ok i'm going to stop i will let somebody else get on the phone with me to talk about yesterday's events and talk about the scary prospect of the fact that one of these people might become the next president of the united states and to discuss this with me as of the next more santoro reporter and blogger for talking points memo and thanks so much for being here tonight are you first
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started can you just please tell me if you noticed that too with it was this really long ridiculous intro with drums going crazy and like black lights and everybody walked out to their own audience idea of i was on c.n.n. you know on. my home phone when i watch shows or what channel i watch i didn't do it and i just i mean i guess that's just what politics what political debates have become these days they have to be like glamorized and then made t.v. ready with the tea party thing right they like that sort of introduction you know it was the john adams theme i think which is like john adams theme song it was very each bureau in the series all around you know you get the big thinker you think i think i thought that why did c.n.n. team up with the tea party if you like that's a little confusing why would they team up with the tea party express why would fox news do it or you know what gives the tea party express so much power and kind of question about that actually people have been criticizing them for tea party meet up with what's essentially a large political pac and giving them all their time but you know the tea party is an important part of the public an electorate these days you know in two thousand
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and ten they led to so many of those primaries that we saw you know sharon angle christine o'donnell you have the tea party express in part to think for beating their means your republican opponent so if you're in a link with the tea party somewhere you know it's not the worst group to do it with in terms of their actual power their actual influence on the tea party movement but i definitely think there's some there's some question as to sort of whether they're giving a big tea party or not just by letting them do this but we have to hear questions from real tea partiers were. it would be helpful to be yeah i think it was really good they actually got to hear questions from from the audience that's not something that's novel i guess this time they're tea partiers so that makes it different but we're going to get back to this still i don't know confused as to whether is that the real difference between the tea party and just a regular old g.o.p. debate let's go to something obviously the economy is something that we talked about because president obama as somebody who is trying to go for reelection faces some really horrible statistics when it comes to the economy when it comes to unemployment the odds are not looking in his favor so you expect this to be the
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number one attack that republican candidates have on him but they seem to think that it's a really really easy solution i want you to listen to senator that michele bachmann and newt gingrich said last night. anybody who knows anything about the federal government knows that there's such an enormous volume of wage that if you simply had a serious all out effort to modernize the federal government you would have hundreds of billions of dollars of savings repeal dad frank repeal obama care it really isn't that tough if you try it you turn around this economy you ask to have the backbone to do it. so the sound got a little fuzzy at the end of the. reason we're going anywhere really you just have to have the backbone to do it and that's how easy it is a turn around this economy so if you want to live in some magic magic other place that doesn't exist in the real world well there's a book in the white house it says fix the economy and if you find it you just press it and it fixes everything so i would love this is the idiot because i know what he's got like a planter on top it is not like that that's what people think i don't know what. i
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mean wolf blitzer to actually question them on that when you says it's so silly anyone that knows anything about washington knows he does have to modernize the economy will save hundreds of billions of dollars what the hell it is modernize the economy i mean right i mean far be it for me to defend wolf blitzer i think he can defend himself but i do know it one of the hard things about these debates is you know so many candidates on stage that sort of hard to get everybody a chance to see someone like newt gingrich who literally is not going to win that nomination so really giving him more time to explain maybe you would take time away from more rick perry talking about texas but i do understand you're saying i mean i think that there is more that needs to be asked of these candidates and talk about this stuff and michele bachmann is the queen of the one liners with this stuff or this or you know we're going to you know we're going to repeal obamacare we're going to fix gas prices are going to bring them down to two dollars a gallon of gas maybe president she has a really explained why or how she's going to do that why you know why it's not happening now and what she's going to do to make it outrageous and i mean you know i guess when this field narrows when it's down to two people of that we finally start getting some details and actual plans you know it's
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a good question i honestly don't know i mean you could be a t.v. ad election we see so many of those i mean i think some of these questions will start getting after i think there are some other topics in the debate happened we. the gardasil stuff that happened this time around that actually are being asked of bachmann more now than before but i do think that this one line thing is sort of her thing which i think it's interesting that h.p.v. you probably got more times than jobs last night on the debate you know that's a tea party message. asked a lot about sort of maybe more esoteric if you mention the top of the show some stuff we don't hear a lot about which is what you know that's important executive order one of those senators are where they didn't even let ron paul answer a question about the federal reserve which is total b.s. if you know what education didn't get mentioned to me a lot of big big topics didn't get mentioned in favor of sort of more tea party stuff like this gardasil thing ok well i was speaking to the gardasil thing became a really big issue and a big point of contention of course and rick perry was being called out and then he had a kind of an interesting response to say. this. the company was merck
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and it was a five thousand dollars contribution that i had received from them i raise about thirty million dollars if you're saying that i can be bought for five thousand. i'm offended. is he admitting that he can't be barred to me now i'm just so theory is that how much does it take to buy rick perry it's more like thirty thousand and it's also a former chief of staff that was the lot of us i mean you know there's a lot of stuff that you know there's a big connection is there between those two things i just love how same thing nobody called about it because i guess every other republican candidate up there they can be bought two so nobody wants to call him out and say we're just exactly how much does it cost to get you know right well i'm not sure they would say they could be bought but i do think that it's sort of this is a hit on perry that sort of a weakness for him but he's sort of trying to get rid of it by saying this stuff about you know i made the wrong decision making this order and i should have done it but the attack on him was actually more about the morals of what he did and then
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obviously michele bachmann said this crazy thing about how the the medicine might cause remember retardation among people which has been widely criticized across the internet today so factually that's the actual attack it's not it's it's less about the even though they want to make it about the sort of crony capitalist stuff it's really more about the morals of the of the age and whether you know whether the government running mandate something like that on you know if they're going to talk about morals that are something that i've noticed in the last two debates and we're actually going to show clips and it's the things that the audience and these republican debates choose to hear or let's take a look we have one example from last night and one from the previous as well. are you saying that society should just let him. know. your state has executed two hundred thirty four death row inmates more than any other governor in modern times have you. who are these people or but you know what's happened in this country why is it ok to cheer for
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a governor that is executed more people it is time than any other governor got me on record or for you know ron paul talking about the fact that if someone's an insurer we should just let them die outside the hospital why is it ok to tear for that to be sure ron paul. i didn't say that he would let somebody die he said no i would like when i reach the right care and you know so let's just make sure we're not saying ron paul would do that or the idea what it does seem that the you know these tea party crowds and the sort of conservative crowd that we have in their public and party right now they're extremely extremely conservative and they like things like this sort of idea of this texas justice you know they sort of think the more executions probably the better whether or not i mean we did a lot of questions about whether or not they were actually all guilty people or not you know beyond the moral questions of the execution but that's probably one of things that they think and then this thing about the about letting them die you know this is kind of the libertarian influence on the g.o.p. these days libertarians like to talk about theory and in theory this is sort of fit libertarian dogma the idea is that you don't have the government involved you make your own choices and then you suffer your own consequences so you know i think it's
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sort of like the chickens that their public and party has kind of gathered around themselves when elections are coming home to roost as they do you think that this debate last night showed us that there is actually a difference between the tea party and the regular republican party when did you notice the difference between the tea party debate and just any of the other g.o.p. presidential debates as all the same issues if you ask me one and a good point on the on the cheering i mean i think it's a hard it's a blurry line these days i mean this is what mitt romney's problem is he's trying to at the one hand say i'm out of tea party or the other hand say you know i believe what they believe it's hard if you're republican right now to for decide what you are the tea party is so full of that hard let's admit it they're all it is the same the tea party i guess just listen to a little bit more of a response they like the flashing cameras and it sounded interesting or something i don't think so much for joining us sure thank you. well still ahead tonight we have new details about the impact of the latest and redacted state department cables that were released online gave that information it really put anyone dangerous on the train out of poverty crisis that's
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our short while back we reported to you that the latest information from wiki leaks thousands of unredacted diplomatic cables contain the names of several u.s. sources out in the open for everyone to see and that moved through a lot of criticism from governments around the world including the obama administration u.s. state department spokeswoman victoria nuland declared this move irresponsible reckless and frankly dangerous but after the associated press conducted its own review they found that no sources were threatened as the u.s. government claims now we should note here the a.p. review did manage their investigation based on the sources of the state department deemed to be at the greatest risk to the investigation didn't look into every
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single source and they've left it up to each country's embassy to decide for themselves who actually faces any danger because of those leaks but let's take a look at the criteria that the state department uses to identify what's considered a sensitive source it's anybody who's part of a totalitarian society or failed state who could be imprisoned or anyone who might lose their job or suffer major embarrassment because of leaks information now the u.s. government argues that even leakers who are only sharing friendly information are still offering candid insight to sensitive topics and restricted information despite the argument over whether or not the leak data is truly that sensitive nature of a.p. also has found several people whose personal information was leaked in those unredacted cables and they also took a pretty passive view on weekly leaks revealing their sources for example frederica bravos meeting with american diplomats in rome seven years ago that provided details on iran's nuclear standoff however she doesn't feel about threatened their names out there and in fact she said that she thinks people should be aware she
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said there is nothing that we said that was not known to our bosses to our ministers to our heads of state we didn't ask there's nothing to protect so far it does look like wiki leaks is in the clear when it comes to accusations that they've put people in danger but of course doesn't answer questions about wiki leaks own sources the leakers many are still arguing that this is going to discourage sources from sharing that secret information from wiki leaks in the future but as for taking heat from the u.s. government about exposing sensitive sources and putting lives at risk at this point in time that claim does not hold up. now if you need any more proof that the recovery isn't doing anything for a large swath of americans take a look at these staggering figures that were released today from the census bureau relating to poverty data and two thousand and ten an additional two point six million people slip below the poverty line that makes the overall number of people living in poverty in the u.s. a whopping forty six point two million and that by the way is fifteen point one
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percent of the country that's also the highest number in the fifty two years of the census bureau has been tracking this now for asking what actually counts as poverty or the line in two thousand and ten was drawn at twenty two thousand one hundred and thirteen dollars for a family of four you add to that more evidence that the middle class is shrinking as real median household incomes declined by two point three percent in two thousand and ten to forty nine thousand and four hundred dollars and you'll see what a citigroup analyst has labeled as an hourglass economy so what do you make of all the specifics and what does it mean for the future joining me to discuss this is christopher chambers lecture at georgetown university and author of the blog and at her ventures chris thanks so much for joining us tonight these are this is this is bad news obviously the america has an increasing lower class more people are in poverty more than forty six million of them but if we look at society today if we look at our political culture there is a lot of legislation that's being discussed about reducing our deficit about
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creating jobs supposedly if you see anything that actually is going to tackle poverty i don't know i don't think so because we have you have a congress particularly republicans who are trying to erode not only the city. basically not need the safety that they were president who's still trying to find his way and the private sector of the city the amount of cash and not doing anything with it and you have a huge portion of the government the defense budget that's actually an employer of last resort for a lot of these people they might get their budget cut so that what happens then when you have a. media that's complicit in all of that that's really showing these figures almost like a baseball box score and not going into any detail as to what they really mean only human level let's talk about that rightly why is it kind of this this taboo subject that's that's just ignored chair we had a republican debate last night and maybe these exact figures weren't released yet by the debate but i still don't really see questions about poverty one was was asked of rick santorum at the previous throwing out
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a tea party line and he just had this quizzical look on his face like you've never heard of a before well you know it for the republican party at this point is showing you know that america's kind of tribal in terms of you know if it doesn't affect my tribe i don't care and poverty and the poor people aren't really a constituency you know the they don't have a tribe and i'm trying to do this i don't have a voice and so you know they're easy to pick on and you can also say well i'm not poor i'm not like them i'm me that might be you know they might be a racial or ethnic minority the problem is where you drill drill down deep is this is affecting people beyond minorities i mean you look at a bankruptcy for seniors and students i mean are on the rise so you've got people on both ends of society you know declaring bankruptcy and it's not because they're going buck wild with credit cards it's health care costs it's losing jobs it's mortgages it's not having any jobs so this is going to kind of creep into you know the complacent tribe let's just say and i think you're going to see people start to
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tip and say wait a minute we need to ask hard questions about this because even though we're not poor people we might just be that way and some people are if you look at some of these figures you have younger people moving back home and if they had not moved back home they would be tipped into that you know one out of six statistic them so i have the figure it's forty five point three percent of people ages twenty five to thirty four would be living in poverty what if they weren't living right i don't consider a poor as the only other side you have people who are supposedly try. and to come up with solutions i mean you have the heritage foundation which is providing intellectual support for the republicans but what are they doing they're not talking about jobs they're basically saying well these people are poor they have x. box well that's that's not that's not what's going on here that's not the problem where they have x. box or not that's a personal cultural psychological priority choice somebody is making but poverty is at the root of it anyway if your work because you're making weird decisions like
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buying an x. box rather than food the poverty is still at the root of that's the thing to write as i feel like it's probably poverty isn't as visible in american society and you have his asians like the heritage foundation will say ok well if you can afford a microwave then you're not in poverty or even if you have a family of four that only living off of twenty two thousand dollars a year later you're not one of those people that's living off of less than a dollar a day right and there are millions exactly exactly who have ordered were poor so that's not going to the same time are we moving away from from being a truly developed country to where we are we starting to resemble other nations that are less developed moving backwards like i said so i think you're starting to see you know the census figures are showing this bankruptcy figures are showing this you're starting to see it's not an hourglass it's more like a correct have you know caresses very narrow at the top and big at the bottom you've got a surf class that is now being created with attendant problems of crime teenage pregnancy etc etc and then you have a middle class it's getting squeezed and squeezed and squeezed i mean student loan
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delinquencies not defaults but delinquencies are what's the problem because that's the whole you know vicious cycle in motion then you have the mortgage stuff that piggybacks on that so you've got this bottom half of the qur'an off that is that is just in order turmoil and then the top lip that's really you know living off of good times basically it's time to pile on and in fact if you look at some of the studies out there to you call it a kharab some people are still using hourglass going out in the sea you know some of the biggest retailers out there are. because manufacturers are starting to tweak their products there is no longer exist and middle of the road product is trying to make you know really high class very expensive materials and that it's either wal-mart or neiman marcus and there's nothing in between and that's and that's the thing that the media is missing that's the thing that the politicians are missing with you know this basically covering these horse race type statistics and fear and conflict rather than really borrowing down and trying to find solutions how do you
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cover it to right how do you show poverty in america well people are doing long form documentarians are doing that shows like this are doing it you know n.p.r. blogs news and news sites that have the resources at least the big down you know the networks and the cable stations are not going to do that because they know their bread and butter is on this kind of horse race and fear coverage you saw that with all the nine eleven the style jim i mean and that was something that we could get around you know emotionally this is something a lot of us don't want to deal with i mean even conservative republicans i mean some of them the military as employer of last resort a lot of them are in districts were not for their people joining the military or working on military bases the only other option for them would be the sell crystal meth ok and so i'm not talking about thousands of rural districts all over say red states but they're not going to admit that but they're people see that and as soon
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as that starts to eat at them personally then you're going to start to see people pressed for real change and real coverage from the media so people get information on how to help themselves now is there any way you know of course you can blame a lot of this on globalization this is what's happening you know with the world because jobs are moving overseas and you just american workers can't compare the war did we do this to ourselves as well how do we not see this grow i mean we did i mean and again the the media is to blame for that for not giving the basis of the american population given them the basics of education but what we did but i mean this kind of. concept has been around forever you just create you know you just basically carve out your sector you know when one sector disappears you build the infrastructure up for the next we couldn't even get agreement on that so of course all these jobs go overseas low paying jobs that used to be union jobs and that's affecting you know undereducated a minority of people already and then you know but we never plan for that because
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we don't like to plan because that seems to centralized in communistic i guess but other countries do do better start planning for the future because phenomena doesn't look like this is going to get any better and it is a growing problem especially for this young population. that see that and life chris thanks so much for joining us tonight. well still to come tonight we have our tuesday edition of show itself and then did fannie mae just bail out bank of america when i say fannie mae i really need of course the taxpayers of the united states are going diving that topic in just a moment and the rand director of economic research for them is unfounded.
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