tv [untitled] September 15, 2011 6:00pm-6:30pm EDT
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the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. a little portions room. record of a loner shell oil get the real headlines with none of the mercy if you live in washington d.c. now today is the third anniversary of the collapse of lehman brothers and the beginning of the financial crisis so three years on doesn't seem like we're in much better shape or you speak to david sirota about where we've gone wrong then david cameron and nicolas sarkozy travel to libya today stopping in tripoli and benghazi with fighting between rebels and broken off the forces still going on is it a little too early to be making this trip and then almost a year ago the homes of anti-war activists across the west are raided by the f.b.i.
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when you're later they still don't have their belongings that were taken including passports and they don't know what the feds has in store for them so we're going to catch up with one of those after this just sundin or you have all of that and more for night including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to meet. well i tell you it has been a quite a week for the mainstream media iris they remember that we're a war in afghanistan and now they've even realized that in this country we execute people who may just be innocent now specific cases they've decided to pay attention she was that of troy davis a man that we've told you about many times on the show. in less than a week convicted cop killer troy davis is scheduled to die petitions with hundreds of thousands of names were delivered today to the georgia pardons board in less than a week convicted consular troy davis is set to be executed davis was sentenced to death for the nine hundred eighty nine murder of savannah georgia police officer
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more but feel one juror who convicted davis questions her decision is also in cities in a set and there are a lot of disturbing new questions that have been raised in regards to his case we believe it is partially because others to the contrary this issue should take your place. and that's right if all goes as planned next wednesday at seven pm davis will be executed by the state of georgia hundreds of petitions have been dropped off in the georgia pardons board asking for clemency and here's a man was convicted for the one nine hundred eighty nine murder of an off duty police officer since that time seven of nine of the key witnesses who testified against him have recanted their statements supreme court has even looked at the case in order to new hearing and this execution date or next week will be his fourth however at the bench area hearing the trial judge that the recantations of the witnesses were unreliable so therefore they couldn't prove his innocence to get what happened here they're not reliable enough to prove his innocence but there are
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conflicting stories and testimonies and statements are reliable enough sorenson sources to sentence him to death as a real side of how sick and twisted our justice system can be when you lack any physical evidence and all you go on is witness testimony that's changed more than once you still go ahead and take the risk of executing a man whose guilt can't be proven who just may be innocent so i said we've covered that case and many times here on our show and i'm happy with the mainstream media has finally decided to pay a little bit of attention to it i don't think it's enough i don't think it's enough that they wait until there are people protesting in petitioning and they can call it a controversial case to give just a minute or two of coverage meanwhile countdown to the emmys is going to top story on c.n.n. all the. say that of course the mysterious disappearance of mckayla salafi which turned out to be yet another complete farce and just a publicity stunt they were all over every detail of that one too when it comes to the possibility of innocent men and women being executed nothing or not nothing then just a little blurb you think we're getting
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a reporter in the cover those executions is worthwhile getting the attorneys involved in the case or how about former f.b.i. director william sessions who penned an op ed today calling for davis's clemency and then there's of course an even more disturbing truth the troy davis case it's no solitary stand out incident where was the mainstream media when they were talking about rick perry nonstop over the last few months when it came to the case of duane edward buck we told you about yesterday or the case of cameron todd willingham who also could have been innocent but has been executed now there are hundreds of cases like this and expose the reliance on bad testimonies in our court systems expose a racial injustice and we see what we can with our resources to bring them to you to shine a light on that injustice to try to make includes not only a week before an execution to take place but americans hear about people lecturer davis but the mainstream media the cable channels that have massive budgets affiliates all across the country that have resources to actually investigate what they choose to pass they'd rather bring on aghast and talk about celebrity gossip
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executions especially executions where there is no way for certain itself to convicted guilty now that we'd rather miss. well today we have yet another unfortunate anniversary you could call it the third birthday of the financial crisis that's right three years ago today lehman brothers filed for bankruptcy the new markets tumbling lending basically the entire world and a financial panic from there we saw the bailout of a.i.g. the unveiling of tarp the initial congressional veto of tarp which sent markets tumbling again and then the passage of that largest bailout in u.s. history to the tune. seven hundred billion dollars and so on and so forth so three years later we still have over nine percent unemployment just over sixteen percent in fact if you look at the u. six housing prices tumbled and estimates say that six trillion dollars in wealth has been erased and millions of americans have lost their homes and despite
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a lawsuit or two for mortgage fraud which the banks are already fighting feverish lee against a single wall street banks or has really been brought to justice so three years later ironically we also see the eurozone experiencing a debt crisis with the risk of entire countries and banks failing and talks of a possible bailout so putting all that into perspective we haven't actually learned our lesson but is it because we don't know how to or because those that have the power to change things the elite we're used to joining me to discuss this is david sirota talk radio host and author of back to the future back to our future how the one nine hundred eighty s. explain the world that we live in now david i want to thank you for joining us tonight and as i mentioned here with some of the statistics three years on doesn't really look like we are in good shape so if you ask me i don't think that we've learned our lesson but if do you think that things are at least a little bit better than they were or instead you know if we consider the fact that so many of the banks only consolidated after the crisis that some of the too big to fail got even bigger are we even worse off. well i think politically i think we're
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we're potentially better off in the sense that the average voter has a better understanding of how much of a problem this is and how much of a problem wall street has become the wall street as a nation or the financial ization of our economy i think people have a better understanding of that the policy that we have now i don't think is any better i think in fact that what we've seen is reform bills that are called reform bills that really haven't performed much of anything we still see the packaging of mortgages reso see the packaging of of sub prime mortgages into these securitized debt obligations it's possible the pension funds for instance are more aware of the potential dangers of those but this continues and then we have a federal reserve continues to say it's not going to play the role of
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a regulator it's going to be playing the role of potentially yet another inflator of a bubble we're going to just simply pump more cash into the wall street machine rather than changing the fundamental paradigm so from a policy perspective i think we're in as in as bad if not worse a shape as we were before the crisis. yes so those are those are a lot of examples that you gave there but if we look at one thing perhaps they really might be the cornerstone of where it is going right went wrong what do you think about the fact that the leadership hasn't much changed about wall street we still still see a lot of the same executives in power there or if they're not all lost weight anymore than they've just cozied over and use their lobbying door in the last one to now are a lot of the advisers from the obama administration you know that's a huge problem and what's an even bigger problem than perhaps before here before him there had been this revolving door so it's not a look back and say well there was a revolving door back then there was
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a revolving door the problem is the right now is that because nothing has changed policy wise but in fact wall street profits continue to skyrocket the more and more taxpayer money continues to go into wall street in the form of bailouts not just tarp but also the the federal reserve's sort of invisible bail out sort of keep pumping low interest euro interest subsidized interest loans grants into wall street while they're set up as a moral hazard what that's their own end couple that with the fact that as you say none of the major leadership on wall street really has been prosecuted at all for wrongdoing barely any investigations have taken place that sets up a couple that are out of moral hazard where as opposed to before the crisis we didn't know what would happen during a crisis executives on wall street perhaps didn't know now they know and that message of the political system is setting that is if you simply repeat what you did last time you will get yet another bailout it sets up
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a situation where you have created the impression and it's very clear true impression that the government is there to serve the banks not to serve the people as the chairman of the house financial services committee said of being or to chairman of the committee in the new comers but do you think that whole point at wall street believe the know about. really fancy i mean let me ask you something that dean baker actually wrote about today and he was saying that those people who are responsible for the by a national crisis basically got to tell the story their own way you know if anybody looked at the housing market they could have easily said that there was a massive bubble and you could've seen that coming from maybe around two thousand and two for some reason these people have also stayed in charge that also continue to go on and speak to the media we can even talk about alan greenspan's of the world they got to tell the story and so it seems like everything was just such a shocker and it was such a complex and complicated system that no one could have seen it coming so i actually think that they could see me going to certainly think. you could see the
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collapse coming here they were focused on short term profits of profits in the next three months four months five months but what i meant was that it wasn't clear that they could c.b.s. . my guess is that they were betting that the aftermath would be just straight out war bill it's no real regulation of poor because they all look where the system was it was less clear it didn't necessarily have to go but my point is that since it has got to work now we are so. there you know when the next time this happens those executives don't go they don't have to worry about the political fall of prosecutions and go like because they know what happened in the last situation in the last verse and you know it's so interesting to think about some of the changes that we've seen in our political system over the last few years if we just decide to bring citizens united into this and now you have this corporate personhood you have corporations that are allowed to use their freedom of speech
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and inject money into anything if they're persons who want to be treated like all other people they don't get prosecuted in the exact same way here as we've seen at the banks but let's also you say that this president has been said that excuse me then how do we look at the situation that's going on in europe right now is it a tragic coincidence is ironic that exactly on this third anniversary we now have the eurozone talking about a math of liquidity measure that could essentially be a bailout of european banks. i think it's very similar but i think there's an urge now a situation there that europe is faced with the same crisis that we were faced with in its financial sector and the question will be out of europe is its political system better able better positioned to make different decisions than our bought and paid for it what it will says that it's not that there's no corruption in europe or a government that is close to corporations governments there it's the question of is the difference between help pull it off the government is over there if you
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compare each our government enough to make them react in a different way fundamentally different way and we react and we our political system reacted by pulling out of the financialization of our country the question i think that's still open is because europe's governments sokol actively bought off or shocked up are afraid by made afraid by the executives of those banking institutions to do the same thing that we did and let's not forget of course one of the problems timothy geitner recently gave an interview where he said he doesn't see another lehman like the two asian playing out in europe but at the same time europe is a collective group of a number of countries all with their own governments and so i don't think it will be as easy to gain some kind of a consensus but i'd like you said you have to go ahead and wait and see they want to thank you so much for joining us tonight thanks for having me. well still ahead tonight the whistleblower leaks intel an f.b.i. training program to help portray the muslims story is raising quite a few eyebrows in the thousand within that and british prime minister david cameron
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and french president nicolas sarkozy made a visit to libya today with more frothy is where about still line up and fighting still taking place should the leaders they may think that through left them just enough to. ensure that only military mechanisms to deal with a call to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here's some other part of it and realize that everything is ok if you don't i'm trying hard to look at the big picture.
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back in march we told you about the training of local law enforcement across the country when it comes to counterterrorism and spotting homegrown terrorism now thanks to reporters who went on the inside examined the teachers the so-called experts we learned his lessons were incredibly biased and ultimately led to police racial profiling or worse as journalist russell craze explains inciting fear into those who would normally do things like think of all muslims in a negative light the problem when you're teaching someone about islam with their loan you got it is a little bit of going to make you laugh but move to make humans here so some of the
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sadness seemed that we came across from the rest of usual people who said you know if you know who i'm going to really good luck with a trip and he goes it is true but now i know and i know to watch out that it was going. through a whole bunch of people who previously here is long boring but it certainly motivated towards becoming these new communications. well now spencer ackerman from wired's danger room has uncovered similar types of counterterrorism training on a national level i can acquire the course handbook used to train f.b.i. counterterrorism officers at the f.b.i. training ground in quantico virginia and pretty much everything about it should be sending off warning signals and the course focuses solely on the threat of terror of muslims and encourages trainees to focus on muslims religion as the sole factor in determining if they might be a terrorist and what's worse use of the word radical that is even a focus in the handbook because according to the featuring even mainstream muslims
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are terrorist sympathizers so basically every muslim likes terrorists according to them now the handbook also labels the prophet mohammad as a cult leader and of course was taught by william god or this is a man who has said in the past that mohammed's mindset is a source for terrorism and he was also an important figure in the burger movement so that should just give you a little bit of an idea of what we're working with here now golfer of advisors that basically all muslims even mainstream american muslims are potential terrorists he also explains of the more devout a muslim is about their religion the more dangerous they are to the us and within the handbook they have this really really really super scientific line graph that demonstrates hard for ideology by showing that see christians and jews the more developed they are well this is the nonviolent the less violent they are as you can see but if we look at is a long muslims the more devout they become they basically just stick along the violent line all the way through so i think it's pretty safe to assume what members
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of federal law enforcement being taught that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim that's going to fact that relationship with the muslim community we told you about several cases where if the i agents have gone undercover undercover to infiltrate mosques across the country and potentially entrap individuals and terror attack plots and spencer ackerman explained on rachel maddow last night the latest revelations could further the damage. strain ties between the muslim and american communities. here very concerned about their two routers shoes which are counterterrorism and civil rights and those two go ahead here because as you remember the greater geneva kilty said on the wire copies of anything without his source of information and unless there's community value in american muslim communities and other communities around this country one forcing shared it can't going about what's happening going to care for your work the threats. now the f.b.i. was questioned about this handbook they just called it rudimentary and they claim
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that their practices have since changed that's despite the fact that these concepts were still being taught in march of this year so this little glimpse inside some of the downright offensive if not incredibly stupid training practices of the f.b.i. as a time for the government to take action call for some change now if you politicians already have and this was actually before the f.b.i. training materials were leaked that there's joe lieberman and susan collins of question the qualifications of those training our feds and counterterrorism and now this information is out there the f.b.i. is probably going to be forced to do some serious damage control not only is this leak unveiled a huge violation of americans first amendment rights to freedom of religion but also encourages members of our highest level of law enforcement to view all muslims as terrorists which is not only that you mention of the rights of those individuals also to the safety of this country so i encourage you to visit danger and sites and see all the graphs that are included in this handbook but i warn you like what you see. well it's been less than a month since moammar gadhafi regime was considered toppled in libya and yet today
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british prime minister david cameron and french president nicolas sarkozy made their first official visit to tripoli in benghazi they met with libya's interim interim leader of the n.p.c. and they greeted cheering crowds waving british and french fries. keep. your courage i mean while we are proud of the rule that we write down we know this was your revolution from your bravery from people and. people in tripoli be putting street people in brave people in misrata you sure you would get rid of education do you accuse freedom. now the western leaders told one of our get off he who is still yet to be found but it's time to go they urged libyans to avoid vengeance and retaliation and some of the toughest times are still ahead but with fighting between the rebels and broke out the force is still taking place so hard to libya a little little bit too early for foreign leaders to be making a stop here discuss this is christopher swift the center for national security law
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at the university of virginia school of law christopher thank you so much for joining us tonight good to see you tell me what do you think here right like i said all right but i feel it still has yet to be found there still is fighting in pockets of libya this is by no means a stable or a safe environment do you think that it's too early for nicholas sarkozy excuse me i think i can see and david cameron to be coming out parading around and reading the ground so let's stick there are three things we can learn from today's news the first is you know the. national transitional council is currently surrounded sirte cannot his home base and they're starting operations there so the war star from all over the second thing is that the regime is essentially out of power so it's perhaps not too premature and the third thing is you have to look at what cameron circles we were actually delivering today they were delivering just a message that would resonate in their media back home and perhaps you know tilt the balance in favor of the kind of regime they'd like to see there also delivering a lot of money a lot of money that's been frozen up in banks that sees that money after the
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gadhafi regime was sanctioned by the u.n. but if we ever see anything like this before i mean even if you look back to the past if you look at your bosnia clinton didn't go for a while and you're right along i didn't go as it was exactly over here so you know how so do. and a lot of the besides that i think it's primarily because they have an interest in making sure that this transitional national council a national transitional council whatever you choose to call it is able to consolidate power is able to get the reform ball rolling is able to start paying police officers and doctors and teachers and all of the people who would normally keep society running that's been disrupted for six months now there's a large interest and doing that sort of simple stabilization work and unlike a lot of other places where you've seen these sort of interventions in libya actually has a small enough society that's organized and relatively wealthy to have the resources to make some of these reforms if things are kicked off in the right way so i think that's why you're seeing these guys on the ground so early but look let's not fool ourselves we have a war on the civil war is not over and it won't be over until people decide to
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start fighting and we know i mean let's talk about the fact that we are still fighting because some would say that you see an insurgency now emerging but the insurgency is are the procrit off the force is and how quickly things have changed because at one point it was the rebels that were the insurgency fighting against the regime but i think it's better to describe this as a civil war right you have factions the tribal factions and government from the government all the it's better aligned with khadafi and it's sort of they've been in bed with them so long it's very hard for them to detach themselves even if they wanted to they have everything to lose and everything to fight for and then you have the new government you know the government's now that recognized by you know by almost everyone at least the major powers they're starting to set up a consultative mechanism in tripoli they're starting to get some of their money back they said today that they were going to honor many of the contracts that the previous government signed because they need to prime the economic but you know the civil war still goes on and with cut off his loyalists moving
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a lot of their gold reserves and a lot of money and some of their senior commanders over the border into the air i think it's you know quite likely that this isn't going to be over a lot of work at a lower level but not over but i mean you talk about the fact and. he said that they would honor some of the old contracts that were already in place but of course there's speculation and david cameron made statements about this today saying that we're not here because we want to get those lucrative contracts when it comes to reconstruction and for the future of libya we honestly are here because we believe in the humanitarian mission but then we heard the leader of the rebels saying we don't worry when it comes time to award those new lucrative contracts we're going to remember our allies and our friends and look and look on you so the end of the day it's probably the allies that are going to be here is writing in the national transitional council and your drive is to start the people that are necessary to keep the government together and to get society going again you're going to be your primary interest is going to be exports getting your exports back online and making sure that you can create some ones or perhaps even implement
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a rule of law type environment it's going to give international investors a degree of confidence so no surprises there i wouldn't see it in the conspiratorial light but let's remember the norwegians were also in libya the italians were also and would be the chinese were also in libya so it's not exclusively france and kingdom it's europe more broadly and you know the united states was there as well so it is mostly a national interest and would be an oil reserves it's not just exclusively nato but the rust why do you think this looks also for the u.s. right because we have a lot of critique coming from within the country people like myself who are angry at the president for getting us involved here unilaterally for what they would in congress we have people on the right angry the president is leading from behind because he let european countries take the lead some of our nato partners but here you know this is exactly i think what president obama would want is for it to look like france and britain are the ones that are out there making the first trip saying they're making the statements they are and let's not forget that they were the ones that were doing the lobbying at the u.n.
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to get the united states to sign on to the resolution that makes it possible legally to do all of these things so looks are close in cameroon have taken the lead they've taken the risk that goes with taking the lead and they should reap the rewards politically for doing this but look europe is an economic. ask a case right now to show you are not they're not in a position where they're getting very many wins so i don't i don't fault them for enjoying you know they're probably getting a warmer reception in libya right now for the rebels than they would be getting from their own people i don't know you could probably say that but then again you know you're comparing circumstances that aren't the same in terms of the us i find it very interesting that before we got into the war there was a lot of criticism that we weren't intervening then after we got in there was a lot of president criticism from the same sources saying intervene enough we didn't intervene enough then there was criticism that we intervened and now there's criticism that we're not taking advantage of the intervention all of those things seem a little bit myopic and shortsighted to me in the long term interest here is not
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contracts it's not whether we're leading from the front or leading from behind it's whether we can assist the libyan people in creating a society that accurately and legitimately reflects their aspirations so democratic pluralistic what is that assistance going to have to look like from here on out i mean of course there is still a civil war going on here in france of arda said that they'll send in military trainers but how much farther can that extend well military trainers find that can be you know when the british and french do this they can do it with a very very small footprint and they're already all kinds of trainers both in the civil society as sort of the political domain and the economic domain on the ground from the europe of the united states already going to see that kind of the boots going on exactly boots it's more like loafers but you know we're going to see a lot of that kind of assistance in the near term and look at the primary thing the primary concern is getting the economy going again getting people paid again that means unfreezing that could after the cut off the money in western banks and it means helping the government set up a civil society civil service system and all of the things that give a society
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a sense of normality more of course or just not to keep watching as it all plays out christopher thanks so much for joining us tonight a pleasure. but still ahead tonight we have our thursday edition of shelling and nearly one year ago the f.b.i. raided the homes of twenty four antiwar activists and i will speak of one of the women targeted in the raid after she's done her life to. ensure that only a military mechanisms if you don't work on supreme justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems.
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