tv [untitled] September 15, 2011 10:00pm-10:30pm EDT
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i am. going to be alone a show where i get the real headlines with none of the mercy if you live in washington d.c. now today is the third anniversary of the collapse of lehman brothers and the beginning of the financial crisis so three years on doesn't seem like we're much better shape or to speak to david sirota about where we've gone wrong then david cameron and nicolas sarkozy travel to libya today stopping in tripoli and benghazi with fighting between rebels and broken off the forces still going on is it a little too early to be making this trip and then almost a year ago the homes of anti-war activists across the west were raided by the f.b.i.
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when you're later they still don't have their belongings that were taken including passports and they don't know what the feds had in store for them so we're going to catch up with one of those activists just sundin where you have all of that and more here night including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to me. well i tell you it is been quite a week for the mainstream media are if they remember that we're a war in afghanistan and now they've even realized that in this country we execute people who may just be innocent now specific cases they've decided to pay attention to is that a choice dave it's a man that we told you about many times on the show. in less than a week convicted cop killer troy davis is scheduled to die petitions with hundreds of thousands of names were delivered today to the georgia pardons board in less than a week and they could come kill or troy davis is set to be executed davis was sentenced to death for the nineteen eighty nine murder of savannah georgia police officer
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mark macphail one juror who convicted davis questions her decision he's also insisted he's innocent and there are a lot of disturbing new questions that have been raised in regards to his case we believe that in this particular case there's a move to the country is a shushan to be pushed. and that's right if all goes as planned next wednesday at seven pm davis will be executed by the state of georgia hundreds of petitions have been dropped off of the georgia pardons board asking for clemency and here's a man was convicted for the one nine hundred eighty nine murder of an off duty police officer since that time seven of nine of the key witnesses who testified against him have recanted their statements the supreme court has even looked at the case in order to new hearing and this execution date for next week will be his fourth however at the evidentiary hearing the trial judge said the recantations of the witnesses were unreliable so therefore they couldn't prove his innocence if you get what happened here they're not reliable enough to prove his innocence but there
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are conflicting stories and testimonies and statements are reliable enough sorenson sources to sentence him to death that is a real sign of how sick and twisted our justice system can be when you lack any physical evidence and all you go on is witness testimony that's changed more than once you still go ahead and take the risk of executing a man whose guilt can't be proven who just may be innocent like i say we've covered a case of many times here on our show so i'm happy that the mainstream media has finally decided to pay a little bit of attention to it i don't think it's enough i don't think it's enough that they wait until there are people protesting and petitioning and they can call it a controversial case to give the submitters who have coverage meanwhile countdown to the emmys is going to top story on c.n.n. all the. say that of course the mysterious disappearance of mckayla salafi which turned out to be yet another complete farce and just a publicity stunt they were all over every detail of that one too when it comes to the possibility of innocent men and women being executed nothing or not nothing then just a little blurb you think that getting
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a reporter in the cover of those executions is worthwhile getting the attorneys involved in the case or how about former f.b.i. director william sessions who penned an op ed today calling for davis's clemency and then of course the even more disturbing truth the troy davis case it's no solitary standout incident where was the mainstream media when they were talking about rick perry nonstop over the last few months when it came to the case of going edward brooke we told you about yesterday or the case of cameron todd willingham who also could have been innocent but has been executed now there are hundreds of cases like this and expose the reliance on that testimony in our court systems they expose a racial injustice and we do what we can with our resources to bring them to you to shine a light on that injustice to try and make it so that it's not only a week before an execution has said take place that americans hear about people like you or davis but the mainstream media the cable channels that have massive budgets affiliates all across the country that have resources to actually investigate what they choose to pass they'd rather bring on
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a gas and talk about celebrity gossip executions especially executions where there is no way for certain to tell the convicted is guilty now that they'd rather miss. well today we have yet another unfortunate anniversary you could call it the third birthday of the financial crisis that's right three years ago today lehman brothers filed for bankruptcy sending markets tumbling sending basically the entire world into financial panic from there we saw the bailout of aig i.g. the unveiling of tarp the initial congressional veto of tarp which sent markets tumbling again and then the passage of that largest bailout in u.s. history to the tune of. seven hundred billion dollars and so on and so forth so three years later we still have over nine percent unemployment just over sixteen percent in fact if you look at the u. six housing prices tumbled and estimates say that six trillion dollars in wealth has been erased and millions of americans have lost their homes and despite
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a lawsuit or two for mortgage fraud which the banks are already fighting feverish leigh against a single wall street banks or has really been brought to justice so three years later ironically we also see the eurozone experiencing a debt crisis with the risk of entire countries and banks failing and talks of a possible bailout so putting all that into perspective we haven't exactly learned our lesson but is it because we don't know how to or because those that have the power to change things the elite were fused to you and me to discuss this is david sirota talk radio host and author of back to the future back to our future how the one nine hundred eighty s. explain the world that we live in now they want to thank you for joining us tonight and as i mentioned here with some of the statistics three years on doesn't really look like we're in good shape so if you ask me i don't think that we've learned our lesson but if do you think that things are at least a little bit better than they were or instead you know if we consider the fact that so many of the banks only consolidated after the crisis that some of the too big to fail got even bigger are we even worse off. well i think politically i think we're
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we're potentially better off and this sense of the average voter has a better understanding of how much of a problem this is and how much of a problem wall street has become the wall street as a nation and the financial ization of our economy i think you have a better understanding a better. the policy. we have now i don't think is any better i think in fact that what we've seen is reform bills that are called reform bills that really haven't reformed much of anything we still see the packaging of mortgages we still see the packaging of of subprime mortgages into these securitized debt obligations it's possible that pension funds for instance are more aware of the potential dangers of those but this continues and we have a federal reserve that continues to say it's not to play the role of
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a regulator it's holding to be playing the role of potentially yet another inflator of a bubble that we're going to just simply pump more cash into the wall street machine rather than changing the fundamental paradigm so from a policy perspective i think we're in and in a spat if not worse a shape as we were before the crisis. yes so those are those are a lot of the examples that you gave there but if we put look at one thing perhaps they really might be the cornerstone of where it is the right went wrong when you think about the fact that the leadership has at last changed things like that last three to feel a lot of the same executives in power there or if they're not all last great any more than they've just cozied over and use their evolving door into washington and now are a lot of the advisers for the obama administration you know that's a huge problem and what's an even bigger problem than perhaps before here before you know there had been this revolving door so it's a look back and say well there was a revolving door back then there was
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a revolving door the problem is that right now is that because nothing has changed policy wise but in fact wall street profits continue to skyrocket the more and more taxpayer money continues to pour into wall street in the form of bailouts not just tarp but also the the federal reserve's sort of invisible bailouts really keep pumping low interest euro interest subsidized interest loans and grants into wall street what they're set up as a moral hazard what that's telling and couple that with the fact that as you say none of the major leadership on wall street really has been prosecuted at all for wrongdoing barely any investigations have taken place that the phenomenon of moral hazard where as opposed to before the crisis we didn't know what would happen during a crisis executives on wall street perhaps to well now they know and that message the political system is sending that is if you simply repeat what you did last time you will get another bailout it sets up a situation where you have created the impression and it's frankly
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a true impression that the government is there to serve the banks not to serve the people as the chairman of the house financial services committee said again or to chairman of the committee in the new congress but do you think that the whole point that wall street really didn't know that. really fair to me and let me ask if you can with something that dean baker actually wrote about today he was saying that those people responsible for the financial crisis basically got to tell the story their own way you know if anybody looked at the housing market they could have easily said that there was a massive bubble and you can see not coming from baby around two thousand and two but for some reason these people have also stayed in charge that also continue to go on and speak to the media we can even talk about alan greenspan's of the world they got to tell the story and so it seems like everything was just such a shocker and it was such a complex and complicated system that no one could have seen it coming true i actually think that they could have seen it coming i certainly think they could see
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the collapse coming they were focused on short term profits of profits in the next three months four months five months but what i thought it was it wasn't clear because c.b.s. . my guess is that they were betting that the aftermath would be just straight out war bill it's no real regulation or poor because they all look we'll since that was it was less clear it didn't necessarily have to go great my point is that since it has gotten better now we have set a whole little precedent the. next time this all happens those executives don't know they don't have to worry about the political fall of prosecutions because they know what happened in the last situation in the last verse and you know it's so interesting to think about some of the changes that we've seen in our political system over the last few years if we just decide to bring citizens united into this and now you have this corporate personhood of corporations that are allowed to use
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their freedom of speech and inject money into anything but if they're persons then why are they treated like all other people they don't get prosecuted in the exact same way here as we've seen with the banks but let's also you say that this president has been saying that excuse me but how do we look at a situation that's going on in europe right now is it a tragic coincidence is it ironic that exactly on this third anniversary we now have big euro zone talking about a math of liquidity measure that put essentially be a bailout of european banks. i think it's very similar but i think there's an analogous situation there that europe is faced with the same crisis that we were faced with in its financial sector and the question will be out of europe is its political system better able better positioned to make different decisions than our bought and paid for political system it's not that there's a lot of corruption in europe or a government that is close to corporations governments there it's the question of is the difference between help bought off the government is over there if you
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compare each our government enough to make them react in a different race fundamentally different way that we react and we our political system reacted by pulling down the financialization of our country the question i think that still open is is europe's governments so collectively bought off or shock doctrine afraid by it made afraid by the executives of those banking institutions to do the same thing that we did and let's not forget of course one of the problems timothy geitner recently again interview where he said he doesn't see another lehman like the two nations playing out in europe but at the same time europe is a collective group of a number of countries all with their own governments and so i don't think it'll be as easy to gain some kind of a consensus but i like he said you have to go ahead and wait and see they may want to thank you so much for joining us tonight thanks for having me. also ahead tonight for whistleblower leaks intel an f.b.i. training program to help portray muslims story is raising quite a few eyebrows when the details with him back and british prime minister david
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cameron and french president nicolas sarkozy made a visit to libya today with moammar gadhafi is whereabouts still unknown and fighting still taking place should the leaders they may think a victory lap about them just enough. into that only a military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. well i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes see a story and it seems so please if you understand it and then he lives something else here's some other part of it and realize that everything is ok and you don't
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back in march we told you about the training of local law enforcement across the country when it comes to counterterrorism and spotting homegrown terrorism our thanks to reporters who went on the inside examine the teachers the so-called experts we learned these lessons were incredibly biased and ultimately lead to police racial profiling or worse as journalist joshua craze explains inciting fear into those who would normally do things like think of all muslims in a negative light the phone when you're teaching someone about islam we don't know nothing about it it's a little bit of who makes you laugh but more the mix humans so some of the saga
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seems that we came across from reducing british people who should not go through i don't have a ruler who lands a trip and throws it is true but now i know and i know what's up with those things so a whole bunch of people who are usually here is learning more about it but we need to be. well now spencer ackerman from wives danger room has uncovered similar types of counterterrorism training on a national level i can acquire a course handbook used to train f.b.i. counterterrorism officers at the f.b.i. training ground in quantico virginia and pretty much everything about it should be sending off warning signals and of course focuses solely on the threat of terror muslims and encourages trainees to focus on muslims religion as the sole factor in determining if they might be a terrorist and what's worse use of the word radical how does having a focus in the handbook because according to the teachings even mainstream muslims
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are terrorist sympathizers so basically every muslim likes terrorists according to them now the handbook also labels the prophet mohammad as a cult leader and of course was taught by william god or this is a man who has said in the past that mohammed mindset is a source for terrorism and he was also an important figure in the berger movement so that should just give you a little bit of an idea of what we're working with here now golfer advise is that basically all muslims even mainstream american muslims are potential terrorists he also explains of the more devout a muslim is about their religion the more dangerous they are to the us and within the handbook they have this really really really super scientific line graph that demonstrates hard for ideology by showing that he christians and jews the more devout they are well this is the nonviolent the less violent they are as you can see but if we look at is a lot less looms the more devout they become they basically just stick along the violet line all the way through so i think it's pretty safe to assume with members
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of federal law enforcement being taught that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim that's going to affect the f.b.i.'s relationship with the muslim community we told you about several cases where i have b i agents have gone undercover undercover to infiltrate mosques across the country and potentially entrap individuals in terror attack plots and spencer ackerman explained on rachel maddow last night the latest revelations could further the damage. strain ties between the muslim and american communities. here very concerned are there two related issues which are counterterrorism and civil rights and those two go hand in hand because as you remember the greater the sit on the water. isn't anything without the source of information and i wish there was community value and there are controls in communities and other communities around this country one force in care you can't go on about what's happening to care for your work your threats. now the f.b.i. was questioned about this handbook they just called it rudimentary and they claim
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that their practices have since changed that's despite the fact that these concepts were still being taught in march of this year so this little glimpse inside some of the downright offensive if not incredibly stupid training practices of the f.b.i. is it time for the government to take action call for some change now if you politicians already have and this was actually before the f.b.i. training materials were leaked that there's joe lieberman and susan collins of question the qualifications of those training our feds in counterterrorism and now this information is out there the f.b.i. is probably going to be forced to do some serious damage control not only is this leak unveiled a huge violation of americans first amendment rights of freedom of religion but also encourages members of our highest level of law enforcement to view all muslims as terrorists because not only that ferment of the rights of those individuals also to the safety of this country so i encourage you to visit danger and site to see all the chaos that are included in this handbook but i warn you probably won't like what you see. and also less than a month since small market officers he was considered toppled in libya and yet
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today british prime minister david cameron and french president nicolas sarkozy made their first official visit to tripoli in benghazi they met with libya's interim interim leader of the m.d.c. and they greeted cheering crowds waving british and french flags. keep. your courage i mean while we are proud of the rule that we break down we know this was your revolution from your bravery from. the point tripoli the printing street if. we put in misrata you sure don't want you would get rid of it you can just do it choose freedom. now the western leaders told moammar gadhafi who is still yet to be found but it's time to go they urged libyans to avoid vengeance and retaliation and sort of the toughest times are still ahead but with fighting between rebels and the forces still taking place across libya a little little too early for foreign leaders to be making a stop here discuss this is christopher swift fellow at the center for national
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security lot of the university of virginia school of law christopher thank you so much for joining us tonight good to see you tell me what do you think you are right like i said when i put off he still has yet to be found there still is fighting in pockets of libya this is by no means a stable or a safe environment do you think that it's too early for nicholas arcos or nick excuse me i nicolas sarkozy and david cameron to be coming out parading around and around the let's let's take three things we can learn from today's news the first is you know the. national transitional council is currently surrounded sirte get out of his own base and they're starting operations there for the war is far from over the second thing is that the regime is essentially out of power so it's perhaps not too premature and the third thing is you have to look at what cameron sarkozy were actually delivering today they weren't delivering just a message that would resonate in their media back home and perhaps you know tilt the balance in favor of the kind of regime they'd like to see they're also delivering a lot of money a lot of money that's been frozen up in banks that seize that money after the
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qaddafi regime was sanctioned by the u.n. but if we ever see anything like this before i mean even if you look back to the past if you look at the bosnia clinton didn't go for a while and you know he was only doing that exactly over here so you know how is this so do. why did they decide to i think it's primarily because they have an interest in making sure that this transitional national council and national transitional council whoever you choose to call it is able to consolidate power is able to get the reform ball rolling is able to start paying a lease officers and doctors and teachers and all of the people who would normally keep society running that's been disrupted for six months now there's a large interest and doing that sort of simple stabilization work and unlike a lot of other places where you've seen these sort of interventions libya actually has a small enough society that's urbanized and relatively wealthy to have the resources to make some of these reforms if things are kicked off in the right way so i think that's why you're seeing these guys on the ground so we're early but look let's not fool ourselves we still have a war on the civil war is not over and it won't be over until people decide to
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start fighting and we know i mean let's talk about the fact that we are still fighting right because some would say that you see an insurgency now emerging but the insurgency is are the pro get off the force is and how quickly things have changed because at one point it was the rebels that were the insurgency fighting against the regime so i think it's better to describe this as a civil war right you have factions the tribal factions and government form a government only it's better aligned with khadafi and they're sort of been in bed with them so long it's very hard for them to detach themselves even if they wanted to they have everything to lose and everything to fight for and then you have a new government you know the government's now been recognized by you know by almost everyone at least the major powers they're starting to set up a consultative mechanism in tripoli they're starting to get some of their money back and he said today that they were going to honor many of the contracts that the previous government signed because they need to prime the economic but you know the civil war still goes on and with his loyalists moving a lot of their gold reserves
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a lot of money and some of their senior commanders over the border into nigeria i think it's you know quite likely that this isn't going to be over at a lower level but not over well i mean you talk about the fact that. he said that they would honor some of the old contracts that are already in place but of course there's speculation and i think cameron made statements about this today saying that we're not here because we want to get those lucrative contracts when it comes to reconstruction and for the future of libya we honestly are here because we believe in the humanitarian mission but then we heard the leader of the rebels saying we don't worry when it comes time to award those new lucrative contracts we're going to remember our allies and our friends and look and look on you so the end of the day it's probably the allies that are going to be here is sitting in the national transitional council and your drive is to start paying people that are necessary to keep the government together and to get society going again you're going to be your primary interest is going to be exports to your exports back online and making sure that you can relate to someone's or perhaps you can implement the rule of law type environment it's going to give international
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investors a degree of confidence so no surprises there i wouldn't see the conspiratorial right but let's remember the norwegians were also in the movie of the italians were also maybe the chinese are also in libya so it's not exclusively france and kingdom it's europe more broadly and you know the united states was there as well so it is more of the national interest and would be an oil reserves it's not just exclusively nato but the west why do you think this looks also for the u.s. because we have a lot of critique coming from within the country people like myself who are angry at the president for getting us involved here unilaterally for with without asking congress we have people on the right angry the president is leading from behind because he let european countries take the lead some of our nato partners but here you know this is exactly i think what president obama would want is for it to look like france and britain are the ones that are there making their first trip saying they're making the statements they are and let's not forget that they were the ones that were doing the lobbying at the u.n.
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to get the united states to sign on to the resolution that made it possible legally to do all of these things so looks are close in cameroon have taken the lead they have taken the risk that goes with taking the lead and they should reap the rewards politically for doing this but look at europe as an economic. case right now to show you are not they're not in a position where they're getting very many wins so i don't i don't fault them for enjoying you know they're probably getting a warmer reception in libya right now for the rebels than they would be getting from their own people i don't think you could probably say that but then again you know you're comparing circumstances that aren't the same in terms of the u.s. i find it very interesting that before we got into the war there was a water criticism that we weren't intervening then after we got in there was a lot of president criticism from the same sources saying intervene enough we didn't intervene enough then there was criticism that we intervened and now there's criticism that we're not taking advantage of the intervention all of those things seem a little bit myopic and short sighted to meet the long term interests here is not contracts it's not whether we're leading from the front or leaving from behind it's
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whether we can assist the libyan people in creating a society that accurately and which it reflects their aspirations so democratic pluralistic tolerant what is that assistance going to have to look like from here on out i mean of course there is still a civil war going on here in france already said that they'll send in military trainers and how much farther that extend well military trainers this time that can be you know when the british and french do this they can do it with a very very small footprint and they're already all kinds of trainers both in the civil society as are the political domain and the economic domain on the ground from the europe of the united states already we're going to see that kind of the boots don't exactly boots it's more like loafers but you know we're going to see a lot of back kind of assistance in the near term and look the primary thing the primary concern is getting that the economy going again getting people paid again it means unfreezing that after a month of the cut off the money in western banks and it means helping the government set out a civil society to become a civil service system and all of the things that give a society
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a sense of normality of course or just an application watching as it all plays out christopher thanks so much for joining us tonight pleasure. still ahead tonight we have our first date as no shell is hell and nearly one year ago the f.b.i. raided the homes of twenty four antiwar activist and i will speak of one of the women targeted in the rape after she's gotten her life back. into it only when there were three mechanisms to do the work to bring justice for accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as the charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and see so.
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