in fighting the problem entry elections in december and. coming up right now the alyona show which looks at the state of the world's economy three years after the collapse of lehman brothers and asks two about the timing of the british and french leaders joint visit to libya all that and plenty more in the show from our washington studios next right here on r.t. . welcome to the alone a show where you get the real headlines with none of the mersey if you live in

washington d.c. now today is the third anniversary of the collapse of lehman brothers and the beginning of the financial crisis so three years on doesn't seem like we're much better shape or who speak to david sirota about where we've gone wrong then david cameron and nicolas sarkozy travel to libya today stopping in tripoli and benghazi but with fighting between rebels and broken off the forces still going on is it a little too early to be making this trip and then almost a year ago the homes of anti-war activists across the west are raided by the f.b.i. when you're later they still don't have their belongings that were taken including passports and they don't know what the feds had in store for them so we're going to catch up with one of those activists just sundin where you have all of that and more fear night including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. well i tell you it has been a quite a week for the mainstream media matters they remember that were a war in afghanistan and now they've even realize that in this country we execute

people who may just be innocent now specific cases they've decided to pay attention to is that of troy davis a man that we've told you about many times on the show. in less than a week convicted cop killer troy davis is scheduled to die petitions what hundreds of thousands of names were delivered today to the georgia or pardons board in less than a week convicted cop killer troy davis is set to be executed davis was sentenced to death for the nine hundred eighty nine murder of savannah georgia police officer mark macphail one juror who convicted davis questions her decision he's also insisted he's in a set and there are a lot of disturbing new questions that have been raised in regards to his case we believe that in this particular case. to the contrary to this issue should take your place. and that's right if all goes as planned next wednesday at seven pm davis will be executed but a state of georgia hundreds of petitions have been dropped off the georgia pardons board asking for clemency and here's

a man was convicted for the one nine hundred eighty nine murder of an off duty police officer since that time seven of nine of the key witnesses who testified against him have recanted their statements the supreme court has even looked at the case in order to new hearing and this execution date for next week will be his fourth however at the evidentiary hearing the trial judge said the recantations of the witnesses were unreliable so therefore they couldn't prove his innocence to get what happened here they're not reliable enough to prove his innocence but there are conflicting stories and testimonies and statements are reliable enough sorenson sources to sentence him to death that is a real sign of how sick and twisted our justice system can be but when you lack any physical evidence and all you go on is witness testimony that it's changed more than once you still go ahead and take the risk of executing a man who's killed can't be proven who just may be innocent so like i said we've covered that case many times here on our show and i'm happy that the mainstream media has finally decided to pay a little bit of attention to it i don't think it's enough i don't think it's enough

that they wait until there are people protesting and petitioning and they can call it a controversial case to give just a minute or two of coverage meanwhile countdown to the emmys has been a top story on c.n.n. all the. say that of course the mysterious disappearance of mckayla salon he which turned out to be yet another complete farce and just a publicity stunt they were all over every detail of that one too when it comes to the possibility of innocent men and women being executed nothing or not nothing then just a little blurb you don't think of getting a reporter in the cover those executions is worthwhile getting the attorneys involved in the case or how about former f.b.i. director william sessions who penned an op ed today calling for davis's clemency and then there's of course the even more disturbing truth the troy davis case it's no solitary standout incident where was the mainstream media when they were talking about rick perry nonstop over the last few months when it came to the case of duane edward buck that we told you about yesterday or the case of cameron todd willingham who also could have been innocent but has been executed now there are hundreds of

cases like this that expose the reliance on bad testimonies in our court systems they expose a racial injustice and we do what we can with our resources to bring them to you to shine a light on that injustice to try to make it so that it's not only a week before an execution of said take place that americans hear about people like you are davis well the mainstream media the cable channels that have massive budgets affiliates all across the country that have resources to actually investigate what they choose to pass they'd rather bring on aghast and talk about celebrity gossip executions especially executions where there is no way for certain to tell the convicted is guilty now that they'd rather miss. well today we have yet another unfortunate anniversary you could call it the third birthday of the financial crisis that's right three years ago today lehman brothers filed for bankruptcy sending markets tumbling sending basically the entire world

into financial panic from there we saw the bailout of a.i.g. the unveiling of tarp the initial congressional veto of tarp which sent markets tumbling again and then the passage of that largest bailout in u.s. history to the tune of. seven hundred billion dollars and so on and so forth so three years later we still have over nine percent unemployment just over sixteen percent in fact if you look at the u. six housing prices tumbled and estimates say that six trillion dollars in wealth has been erased and millions of americans have lost their homes and despite a lawsuit or two for mortgage fraud which the banks are already fighting feverish leigh against not a single wall street banks or has really been brought to justice so three years later ironically we also see the eurozone experiencing a debt crisis with the risk of entire countries and banks failing and talks of a possible bailout so putting all that into perspective we haven't exactly learned our lesson but is it because we don't know how to or because those that have the power to change things the elite were fused to joining me to discuss this is david

serota talk radio host and author of back to the future back to our future how the one nine hundred eighty s. explain the world that we live in now david want to thank you for joining us tonight and as i mentioned here with some of the statistics three years on doesn't really look like we're in good shape so if you ask me i don't think that we've learned our lesson but if do you think that things are at least a little bit better than they were or instead you know if we consider the fact that so many of the banks only consolidated after the crisis that some of the too big to fail got even bigger are we even worse off well i think politically we're potentially better off in the sense that the average voter has a better understanding of how. much of a problem this is a much of a problem wall street has become the wall street as a nation or in the financial as a should or i think people have a better understanding of. the policy that we have now i don't think is any better i think in fact that what we've seen is reform bills that are called reform

bills that really haven't reformed much of anything we still see the packaging of mortgages we still see the packaging of of sub prime mortgages into these securitized debt obligations it's possible that pension funds for instance are more aware of the potential dangers of those but this continues and then we have a federal reserve that continues to say it's not going to play the role of a regulator it's going to be playing the role of potentially yet another inflator bubble that we're going to just simply pump more cash into the wall street machine rather than changing the fundamental paradigm so from a policy perspective i think we're in as in as bad if not worse of shape as we were before the crisis. yes so those are those are a lot of examples that you gave there but if we could look at one thing perhaps that really might be the cornerstone of where it is the right went wrong what do

you think about the fact that the leadership hasn't much changed you can talk about wall street with steel still see a lot of the same executives in power there or if they're not on wall street anymore than they have just cozied over and use their evolving door into washington and now are a lot of the advisers for the obama administration you know that's a huge problem and what's an even bigger problem than perhaps beforehand beforehand there had been this revolving door so it's not a look back and say well there was a revolving door back then there was a revolving door the problem is that right now is that because nothing has changed policy wise that in fact wall street profits continue to skyrocket that more and more taxpayer money continues to go into wall street in the form of bailouts not just tarp but also the the federal reserve's sort of invisible bail outs where they keep pumping low interest zero interest subsidized interest loans grants into wall street what that set up is a moral hazard what that's done and couple that with the fact that as you say none

of the major leadership on wall street really has been prosecuted at all for wrongdoing barely any investigations have taken place that sets up the phenomenon of moral hazard where as opposed to before the crisis we didn't know what would happen during a crisis executives on wall street perhaps didn't know now they know and the message that the political system is sending them is if you simply repeat what you did last time you will get yet another bailout it sets up a situation where you have created the impression that it's frankly a true impression that the government is there to serve the banks not to serve the people as the chairman of the house financial services committee said upon being elected chairman of the committee in the new comers but do you think that that whole ploy that wall street really didn't know that. really fancy i mean let me ask if you agree with something that dean baker actually wrote about today he was saying that those people who are responsible for the financial crisis basically got to tell the story their own way you know if anybody looked at the housing market

they could have easily said that there was a massive bubble and you could have seen that coming from maybe around two thousand and two but for some reason these people that have also stayed in charge that also continue to go on and speak to the media we can even talk about alan greenspan's of the world they got to tell the story and so it seems like everything was just such a shocker and it was such a complex and complicated system that no one could have seen it coming or i should like think that they could have seen it coming i certainly think they could see the collapse coming i think there they were focused on short term profits of profits in the next three months four months five months what i meant was that it wasn't clear that they could see the aftermath of this my guess is that they were betting that the aftermath would be just straight out more bailouts no real regulation because they all look a little system but that was that was less clear it didn't necessarily have to go that way my point is that since it has gone a better way now we have set

a political precedent that if and when the next time this all happens those executives now know they don't have to worry about the political fallout prosecutions because they know what happened in the last situation in the last verse and you know it's so interesting to think about some of the changes that we've seen in our political system over the last few years if we just decide to bring citizens united into this and now you have this corporate personhood you have corporations that are allowed to use their freedom of speech and inject money into anything but if they're persons that why are they treated like all other people they don't get prosecuted in the exact same way here as we've seen with the banks but let's also you say that this president has been said that excuse me then how do we look at the situation that's going on in europe right now is it a tragic coincidence is it ironic that exactly on this third anniversary we now. have the eurozone talking about a massive liquidity measure that could essentially be a bailout of european banks i think it's very similar i think there's an analogous

situation there that that europe is faced with the same crisis that we were faced with you know its financial sector and the question will be out of europe is its political system better able better positioned to make different decisions than our bought and paid for political system it's not that there's a lot of corruption in europe or a government that is close to corporations governments there it's the question of is the difference between how bought off the government is over there at boot compared to our government enough to make them react in a different way fundamentally different way than we reacted we our political system reacted by doubling down on the financial ization of our country the question i think that still open is is europe's governments so collectively bought off or shock doctrine afraid by made afraid by the executives of those banking institutions to do the same thing that we did and let's not forget of course one of the problems timothy geitner recently gave an interview where he said that he doesn't see another lehman like the two asian playing out in europe but at the same

time europe is a collective group of a number of countries all with their own governments and so i don't think it'll be as easy to gain some kind of a consensus but i like you said are you have to go ahead and wait and see dave i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight thanks for having me. still ahead tonight the whistleblower leaks into an f.b.i. training program and help portrays muslims story is raising quite a few eyebrows when the details with him back and british prime minister david cameron and french president nicolas sarkozy made a visit to libya today with one could offer his whereabouts still unknown and fighting still taking place as world leaders they are making a victory lap and that was tonight. really believe something. from. the future.

in the far away land. where human life is ruled by nature. the distant past of planetary your spirit sleepers or by the power. to lie hidden in the deep permafrost. and for those who deal with them. stored times are still. back in march we told you about the training of local law enforcement across the country when it comes to counterterrorism and spotting homegrown terrorism now thanks to reporters who went on the inside examined the teachers the so-called experts we learned these lessons were incredibly biased and ultimately led to police racial profiling or worse as journalist joshua craze explains inciting fear into those who would normally do things like think of all muslims in a negative light with a groan when you're teaching someone about islam if you don't know about it you

should be able to go to make. some of the side of seems that we came across some british people who said you know if you go through i'm going to realize that islam . is true but now i know i'm not going to watch out. so a whole bunch of people who didn't previously fear islamic worried about it suddenly became incredibly motivated towards becoming vigilantes in their communities. well now spencer ackerman from wired's danger room has uncovered similar types of counterterrorism training on a national level i can acquire the course handbook used to train f.b.i. counterterrorism officers at the f.b.i. training ground in quantico virginia and pretty much everything about it should be sending off warning signals and the course focuses solely on the threat of terror of muslims and encourages trainees to focus on muslims religion as the sole factor in determining if they might be a terrorist and what's worse use of the word radical that is even

a focus in the handbook because according to these teachings even mainstream muslims are terrorist sympathizers so basically every muslim likes terrorists according to them now the handbook also labels the prophet mohammad as a cult leader and of course was taught by william god for this is a man who has said in the past that mohammed's mindset is a source for terrorism and he was also an important figure in the burger movement so that should just give you a little bit of an idea of what we're working with here now gother of advisors that basically all muslims even mainstream american muslims are potential terrorists he also explains that the more devout a muslim is about their religion the more dangerous they are to the u.s. now within the handbook they have this really really really super scientific line graph that demonstrates hearth or copper of ideology by showing that sea christians and jews the more devout they are well this is the nonviolent the less violent they are as you can see but if we look at is the law muslims the more devout they become

they basically just stick along the violent line all the way through so i think it's pretty safe to assume with members of federal law enforcement being taught that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim that's going to affect the f.b.i.'s relationship with the muslim community we told you about several cases where f.b.i. agents have gone undercover undercover to infiltrate mosques across the country and potentially entrap individuals in terror attack plots and spencer ackerman explained on rachel maddow last night the latest revelations could further the damage the already strained ties between the muslim and american communities. they're very concerned about two related issues which are counterterrorism and civil rights and those two go hand in hand because as you remember the greater jimmy mcnulty said on the wire a cop using anything without his source of information and unless there's community by american muslim communities and other communities around this country one force one can't do its job you can't going about what's happening and it can't be a work of threats. now the f.b.i.

was questioned about this handbook they just called it rudimentary and they claim that their practices have since changed that's despite the fact that these concepts were still being taught in march of this year so with this little glimpse inside some of the downright offensive if not incredibly stupid training practices of the f.b.i. as a time for the government to take action call for some change now few politicians already have and this was actually before the f.b.i. training materials were leaked senators joe lieberman and susan collins of questioned the qualifications of those training our feds in counterterrorism and now this information is out there the f.b.i. is probably going to be forced to do some serious damage control not only is this leak unveiled a huge violation of americans first amendment rights the freedom of religion but also encourages members of our highest level of law enforcement to view all muslims as terrorists which is not only detrimental the rights of those individuals also to the safety of this country so i encourage you to view the visit danger and site to see all the graphs that are included in this handbook but i warn you problem like what you see. also in less than

a month since moammar gadhafi is regime was considered toppled in libya and yet today british prime minister david cameron and french president nicolas sarkozy made their first official visit to tripoli and benghazi they met with libya's interim interim leader of the empty seat and they greeted cheering crowds waving british and french flags. he probably. should lose your carry on while we are proud of the road that we break down we know this was your revolution from your bravery from people in baghdad see the point tripoli be pretty easy to be put in frank preventive measure you show the world you would get rid of any new or jewish freedom. now the western leaders told moammar gadhafi who is still yet to be found that it's time to go they urged libyans to avoid vengeance and retaliation and said that the toughest times are still ahead but with fighting between the rebels and broke off the force is still taking place in parts of libya is it a little bit too early for foreign leaders to be making

a stop here this gus this is christopher swift fellow at the center for national security law at the university of virginia school of law christopher thank you so much for joining us tonight good to see you tell me what do you think you're right like i said the market off he still has yet to be found there still is fighting in pockets of libya this is by no means a stable or a safe environment do you think that it's too early for nicholas sarkozy or an excuse me i know so cozy and david cameron to be coming out parading around and reading the ground well let's take the three things we can learn from today's news the first is you know the. national transitional council is currently surrounded sirte cut off its own base and they're starting operations there so the war is far from over the second thing is a cut off the regime is essentially out of power so it's perhaps not too premature and the third thing is you have to look at what cameron sarkozy were actually delivering today they weren't delivering just a message that would resonate in their media back home and perhaps you know tilt the balance in favor of the kind of regime they'd like to see they're also delivering a lot of money

a lot of money that's been frozen up in banks that seize that money after the qaddafi regime was sanctioned by the u.n. but if we ever see anything like this before i mean even if you look back to the past if you look if you look at bosnia clinton didn't go for a while and you know he wasn't doing the exactly over here so you know how was the so did. and why did they decide to i think it's primarily because they have an interest in making sure that this transitional national council and national transitional council whoever you choose to call it is able to consolidate power is able to get the reform ball rolling is able to start paying police officers and doctors and teachers and all of the people who would normally keep society running that's been disrupted for six months now there's a large interest in doing that sort of simple stabilization work and unlike a lot of other places where you've seen these sort of interventions libya actually has a small enough society that's urbanized and relatively wealthy they have the resources to make some of these reforms if things are kicked off in the right way so i think that's why you're seeing these guys on the ground so early but look let's not fool

ourselves we still have a war on the civil war is not over and it won't be over until people decide to stop fighting and we know i mean let's talk about the fact that people are still fighting right because some would say that you see an insurgency now emerging but the insurgency is are the pro get off the force is that how quickly things have changed because at one point it was the rebels that were the insurgency fighting against the regime well i think it's better to describe this as a civil war right you have factions tribal factions and government form of government all leads that are aligned with qaddafi and this sort of they've been in bed with them so long it's very hard for them to detach themselves even if they wanted to they have everything to lose and everything to fight for and then you have the new government you know the governments now would recognize why you know by almost everyone at least the major powers there are starting to set up a consultative mechanism in tripoli they're starting to get some of their money back they said today that they were going to honor many of the contracts that the previous government signed because they need to prime the economic but you know the

civil war still goes on and with cut off his loyalists moving a lot of their gold reserves a lot of money and some of their senior commanders over the border into niger i think it's you know quite likely that this isn't going to be over for quite a while at a lower level but not over whatever you talk about the fact that they. said that they would honor some of the old contracts that were already in place but of course there's speculation and david cameron made statements about this today saying that we're not here because we want to get those lucrative contracts when it comes to reconstruction and for the future of libya we honestly are here because we believe in the humanitarian mission but then we heard the leader of the rebels saying we don't worry when it comes time to award those new lucrative contracts we're going to remember our allies and our friends and look and look on you so the end of the day it's probably the allies that are going to have these kind of here is writing in the national transitional council and your job is to start paying the people that are necessary to keep the government together and to get society going again you're going to be your primary interest is going to be exports go to your exports back online and making sure that you can create that some balance or perhaps even

implement the rule of law type environment it's going to give international investors a degree of confidence so no surprises there i wouldn't see it in the conspiratorial light but let's remember the norwegians were also in libya that italians were also and would be the chinese were also in libya so it's not exclusively france and the united kingdom it's europe more broadly and you know the united states was there as well so it is multinational interests and libyan oil reserves it's not just exclusively nato or the west why do you think this looks also for the u.s. right because we have a lot of critique coming from within the country people like myself who are angry at the president for getting us involved here unilaterally affair with without asking congress we have people on the right angry the president is leading from behind because he let european countries take the lead some of our nato partners but here you know this is exactly i think what president obama would want is for it to look like france and britain are the ones that are making the first trip saying they're making the statements they are and let's not forget that they were the ones

that were doing the lobbying at the u.n. to get the united states to sign on to the resolution that makes it possible legally to do all of these things so looks are close in cameroon have taken the lead they've taken the risk that goes with taking the lead and they should reap the rewards politically for doing this but look europe is an economic. case right now the oh you're not you're not in a position where they're getting very many women so i don't i don't fault them for enjoying you know they're probably getting a warmer reception in libya right now for the rebels than they would be getting from their own people i don't know you could probably say that but then again you know you're comparing circumstances that aren't the same in terms of the u.s. i find it very interesting that before we got into the war there was a water criticism that we weren't intervening then after we got in there was a lot of president criticism from the same sources saying intervene enough we didn't intervene enough then there was criticism that we intervened and now there's criticism that we're not taking advantage of the intervention all of those things seem a little bit myopic and shortsighted to me the long term interest here is not contracts

it's not whether we're leading from the front or leaving from behind it's whether we can assist the libyan people in creating a society that accurately and legitimately reflects their aspirations so democratic pluralistic tolerant what is that assistance going to have to look like from here on out i mean of course there is still a civil war going on but in france already said that they'll send in military trainers but how much farther could that extend well military trainers find that can be even when the british and french do this they can do it with a very very small footprint there are already all kinds of trainers both in the civil society as sort of the political domain and the economic domain on the ground from the europe in the united states already going to see that kind of all the boots don't exactly boots it's more like loafers but you know we're going to see a lot of that kind of assistance in the near term and look the primary thing the primary concern is getting the the economy going again getting people paid again that means unfreezing that could after the cut off the money in western banks and it means helping the government set up

a civil society again civil service system and all of the things that give a society a sense of normality of course or just enough to keep watching it as it all plays out christopher thanks so much for joining us tonight pleasure. but still ahead tonight we have our thursday edition of shelling to tell and nearly one year ago the f.b.i. raid. holmes a twenty four anti-war activist and i will speak with one of the women targeted in the raid. on her life back. to official location. from the. video on demand. and speak with the palm of your.

question. the british and french leaders of. libya to offer support. and you're watching r.t. the british and french leaders visibly does offer support for the new regime there were planes helped put in power as rebels backed by nato airstrikes are reported. parts of colonel gadhafi his hometown see here meanwhile russia says it's time to lift the u.n. no fly zone introduced to save civilians as it doesn't help people still trapped in the last remaining pataki strongholds. poland becomes a third country in the space of a week to confirm its participation in joint missile defense shield plans within the u.s. as washington presses ahead despite moscow's deep concern. billionaire mikhail prokhorov and russia's third richest man has stunned of the right cause party by putting as the leader of the movement he founded just three months ago.