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to. find it's time for show and tell us nice program last time we discussed the three here anniversary of lehman brothers collapse like the event of the century triggered the global financial crisis and despite the fact the government stepped in to save the wall street banks we don't really seem to be in much better shape now so that all that in mind do you think the government would let another big banks fail or are they just go for another bailout that's going to produce secretaries and assign say to find out what you have to say the second quarter of two thousand and eleven at large at the highest quarterly profit buy out the i.c. banks in the u.s. since. two thousand and seven and while the u.s.
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economy continues to st and banks are rockin in higher profits no one wants to think about a repeat of two thousand and eight but the question of what do we do about the sinking financial institution big enough to take us all down with it is still an answer by regulators so do we learn anything from lehman would we let another big bank fail or would the government just do it all again well max said with all the lobbying money big finance companies spend on politicians it is unlikely they will reject another bailout program michael told us government and wall street are so interconnected and of pounded on each other that they will surely print as much money as needed to avoid another lehman style collapse milton added no meaningful regulation of the financial sector has occurred without such regulation the big banks will fail again and wall street will use the government to bail them out again the majority of you who responded saw the tight relationship between the government and the banks and that nothing has really changed that would prevent
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another big bank collapse or bail out in our future so why is it so hard for the government and the financial sector to learn from their mistakes maybe because they're both using other people's money. now as always thank you for your responses and here's our next question for you earlier in the show we discussed the case of troy davis death penalty inmate who scheduled to be executed in georgia tomorrow night despite serious doubts of his guilt so knowing that the justice system of the united states is far from perfect do you think that we should still use the death penalty you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and you know your response you just might make it on the air. is going to be. the mind will come down. so must you choirs will be singing. well today we have a true glimmer of hope for those who fought for years just for the opportunity. to
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serve in the u.s. military as a twelve i want to am this morning don't ask don't tell was repealed. the security of the fish. we committed to removing all the barriers there were three americans for ensuring their country and. responsibility that their challenge to build on that. he's really been. very wise in the learning difference in this country and that's what should matter that much. now is laws been in place for eighteen years back in one thousand nine hundred three the legislation was created to prevent anybody who was openly gay from respecting and serving this country during the life of the law over fourteen thousand armed service members were discharged based on their sexual orientation however all of those who were forcibly discharged and now choose or cannot return if they choose to do so thanks to president obama's repeal of the legislation last
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december i was bill was certified by congress and gave the approval of defense secretary leon panetta as well as chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mike mullen . i cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are eager to do for their fellow shooters or. how this encourage me to repeal by admiral mullen is a stark contrast to that of some of the military he says staff such as the marines chief of staff general james amos who expressed concern about the repeal this law but those in favor good way now dan choi an iraq war veteran he was discharged after he came out of the rachel maddow show this. equality consistently even getting arrested after chaining himself to the white house fence now we're happy to report that choi is relisting in the army a difference a few years makes right so president obama released a statement today saying the as of today patriotic americans in uniform will no
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longer have to lie about who they are in order to serve the country they love every american to be proud that we have taken another great step toward keeping the finest millipede toward keeping our military the finest in the world and toward fulfilling our nation's founding ideals obama was joined by several members of congress who thought this move as well as activists across the country so as the country comes together and celebrate the death of this law discriminating against service members who would like to take a pause and realize that the end of don't ask don't tell really is a glimmer of hope. well here's another example of the insane defense spending abroad that continues on despite the planned austerity measures here at home in the us as a lot of carbs glenn greenwald pointed out posted on the web site feds bid. the army corps of engineers is soliciting names of construction firms to build a new detention facility and afghanistan now the facility is going to include detainee housing capability for approximately two thousand detainees as well as
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guard towers administrative facility and vehicle personnel access control gates security surveillance and restricted access systems as to make cost of this project are you know just twenty five to one hundred million dollars and the contract is to be awarded on or around december thirtieth of two thousand and eleven so for starters what does that say about our war in afghanistan winding down then we just see the president use a trillion dollars in war savings in the accounting for his deficit reduction plan yesterday and who are we going to be holding in this new facility here to discuss that with me is christopher swift fellow at the center for national security law at the university of virginia school of law christopher thanks so much for being here tonight could be back ok so we already have a prison a blogger and i'm confused why do we need another detention facility they can hold two thousand more people one of the things that we're sort of forgetting is that we're having a war in afghanistan and in war people are not forgotten they're not at all great and when people are captured you need a place to put them so the fact that we're building
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a new detention facility and. we need the facility or we anticipate that we're going to need syllabi it wouldn't surprise me if we have a backlog we have some concerns about whether the afghans are adequately providing security for their facilities but it definitely says that the u.s. footprint in afghanistan especially in southern afghanistan the question regions is going to continue on for quite some time ok so now that winding down exactly we were going to see troops start to leave you could say right we're going to have seventy thousand troops what a small tiny town girl. after the fall of two thousand and twelve but now we're going to have more prisons but you know the problem here is you're saying there's a war going on there it needs to be a place to house certain prisoners but you know if you look at human rights organizations human rights watch and rights first they'll tell you that there is no such thing as due process here that these people don't have you know any kind of adequate representation no lawyers so who are we to just keep holding thousands of people well there's a problem here and so it's a legal problem when someone who's detained there on u.s.
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territory of the supreme court has ruled that if you're in your u.s. territory or in an area of effect if u.s. control like one's automobile you have a right to what's called a.b.s. corpus you can challenge the government's right to hold you or challenge the evidence against you that justifies your be held up in the case of a war zone in the case of individuals who are picked up on the field of battle the law that applies is international law and the international law of armed conflict says you can hold those people indefinitely until conflict ceases so you have two different sets of legal standards and one of the arguments you're seeing from groups like human rights for the rights watch which is a reasonable argument is that there should be at least some due process or some review for people who get picked up war and actually combatants and you know we've seen this on top of always to get it in other places but that's the tension the legal tension here between wartime law governing international law and us due process of law governed by a tradition of abs corpus that goes back well over a thousand yeah those are a lot of really important questions that need to brought up and at the same time
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you know at some point we have to hand over control of the prisons to. to the afghans the same way that we did in iraq and seeing how well that has worked out as there have still been reports of rampant torture and you know abuse of detainees going on at those prisons so when does that actually happen here when does the handover of control of the of the president is there any plan say it's hard to say because we haven't decided when we're leaving afghanistan we've decided it was going to have a smaller footprint in afghanistan we've decided we're going to spend spend less money in afghanistan we've decided we're going to focus less. on village by village counterinsurgency operations in afghanistan emphasize more targeted counterterrorism operations but it no point is anybody in the administration or congress or any of the relevant branches of government said this is the date by which they will be no more u.s. presence in that supposedly ok so if we're going to you know we can say that u.s. officials military officials that nato officials afghan officials have said that maybe by two thousand and fourteen we should hand over control so that at least the
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afghan security forces can be in charge of security for the most part this facility which is just announced whether this facility is something that would be handed over to the afghan national army or the afghan national police or whether it's something that would remain under u.s. or ice after command my guess is given that it's at at bagram again this is just pure speculation on my part is that this is probably a facility for high value prisoners foreign fighters people that are being detained moving across the border from pakistan or coming down from such a waiver or part of the hakani network or other high value individuals the average taliban fighter is by and large being held by the afghan national police and by the afghan justice ministry in afghan prisons and as we've seen in recent months those afghan prisons aren't very secure are not doing a very good job of keeping people who have been captured captured. recent jailbreak i forget how many how many months ago we reported to have basically tunneled under the prison which is an amazing feat not only of engineering but also from. well
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they managed to do it under everybody's nose so why but i think you know that's the other thing about a lot of americans have to remember too is that there are more persons it's not just there are many presidents right across afghanistan and maybe they don't know it or they don't realize it but it's not a surprise not all you want is there or not not all u.s. presence remember the afghan government has its own presence they have their own laws they have their own rules about what happens in their country these are the people the insurgency there so when we're capturing and killing people on the battlefield the united states has one set of laws afghanistan has another set of laws that reflect their culture and reflect their religious. priorities but at the same time it's still our money and you know it's sad that so easy as we live in such a world where twenty five to one hundred million dollars doesn't even sound like a lot anymore right that's become a drop in the bucket but at the same time we are being told here at home that we have to cut the taxes have to be raised and i think that you know it should be worrisome for the don't forget that part of the price tag in that twenty five million to one hundred million dollars is the cost of getting stuff into afghanistan which is relatively easy if you're talking about god america or space but it's also the cost of providing security for the facility for the people who
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built it so it would be at the time and that cost of providing security has gone up exponentially since i was last in afghanistan several years ago and from what i understand it's going to continue to go up as the taliban starts getting used to reconstitute itself it's used again interior base of operations and continues to take the battle against their adversaries in the northern part of the country as it gets more violent and out of we're finally reaching the ten year mark here in this war and let's not forget of course that the former president of afghanistan was assassinated today so we're just sitting around speaking of christopher thanks so much for joining us today good to see you. now still ahead tonight income inequality not a big deal and democrats just obsess over it those comments are a news anchor tonight's bull's-eye an award and happy hour bill o'reilly says that he may quit if his taxes are raised listen to rap video about using food stamps as right wing land pretty post-ops to stick around for some time. into it only we would. do go to bring justice and accountability.
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i have a right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic sort. of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you think you understand it and then he glimpse something else here so you saw the part of it and realized everything is ok. i'm charging the big picture. let's give them a hard break. and
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i did sign for tides tool time award and tonight it goes to break you over at fox news now brit was on bill o'reilly's show last night to discuss obama's deficit reduction plan and as you can imagine the g.o.p. and the mouthpiece for the g.o.p. aka fox news well they're not so happy about obama's plans to raise taxes on those who make over a million dollars a year and they really just hate it when democrats talk about paying their fair share this week listen to british humor below discussing the plan. you take from people who have you take it from them they believe that's moral that's right yeah they do they believe that that's the way to have a more just and more level of more just society more level playing field more equitable. circumstances a country where you limit the solution income inequality which to which to
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democrats and liberals is a big problem and sometimes it can appear that the democrats some democrats would rather have everybody equally poor than on the rich that's obviously an exaggeration on my part. well you know brit actually seems gather that some democrats care about equality here in the us i honestly struggle to understand how caring about income inequality the united states could be anything good good thing but maybe brit hume just doesn't understand how big of a deal the growing inequality really is so let's take a look at it income inequality in the united states and how it compares to the rest of the world now this map shows the journey coefficient which is a century old formula that measures inequality shoes on a scale from zero point zero up two point five zero with five point five zero being the most unequal so as you can see the u.s. is highlighted in purple keep in mind green or blue colors are good purple and the other colors those are bad so according the gini coefficient the u.s.
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ranks at point four five zero which is really extreme end of the income inequality scale and to give you an idea of where the u.s. ranks on income inequality compared to the rest of the world let's show you mexico the other latin american nations in south america most of these countries are about the same or worse i keep in mind several of those countries have also just been involved in or just emerging from destabilizing conflicts now if we travel over the atlantic ocean to south africa we find several nations that are equal to or slightly worse in the u.s. when it comes to income inequality those include cameroon madagascar rwanda uganda and ecuador so that's how bad the issues become your the u.s. over the last few decades we're now on par with several sub-saharan african nations but brooke you he doesn't have a problem with income inequality here in the u.s. . get that sense because of their obsession with this question of inequality equality is it a very much higher level who cares who cares well i guess that kind of sums up how the g.o.p.
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and the rich feel about the fact that an increasing number of people united states are struggling while the rich are getting richer and you can't just throw around the word income inequality like brit hume and bill o'reilly do as if it's just some weird strange concept of the democratic bogeyman are called have to it's real actually just last week the census released a report showing that forty six million americans are now living in poverty that's roughly one in six americans and a report from feeding america show that seventeen million children suffer from food insecurity and one in four children go hungry so a great few thinks that income inequality is no big deal just an obsession of the left millions of americans would beg to differ and that's why brit hume is tonight's tools i went. ok guys time for happy hour enjoy need as evening as our tea parties are joining
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churchill and that it's not any heard on the hill reporter for roll call thanks for joining me ladies ok so. we just showed obviously a very human bill o'reilly being angry about this thing who cares about income inequality but then bills are getting farther and and for him to quit if it's taxes are raised take a look. my corporations employ scores of people they depend on me to do what i do so they can make a nice salary if brock obama begins to actually mean more than fifty percent which is very possible i don't know how much longer i'm going to do this i like my job but there comes a point when tax so you should be called a pressure. ok first of all i don't know why i think that it is so possible that pretty soon he's going to be paying fifty percent in taxes i mean please just give me one figure that actually shows that because even if you talk about the buffett rule that's still twenty percent if you want to talk about you know being in the same level as middle income families but you know if that's what it takes to get
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bill o'reilly to quit should obama do it i read i don't know all i'm saying it's almost like he's forgotten that there's a whole congress there that does not like or anything like both sides don't like it now so the fact that even brought it up as a possibility and did a whole thing on it as kind of amusing well he's clearly just pandering to people like oh my gosh they're going to raise them but i was with you at first on the whole like let's just get him out thanks and i realize we've lost one back you know we don't want to we don't subscribe to stupid you know you do you know bill goes we've got nothing i have well we have all the fox and friends they have. where we wouldn't be anywhere without fox and friends you really have that's just like a you know a comedy sketch every single morning and sometimes they're really thankful that they exist but whatever else is in this comedy tale. ok one thing that this next story really doesn't help there's no leg ridge people being angry about having to pay more thing because this plays right into the whole idea that poor people just
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like. the world is a really really hilarious video check it out. just like my pj's going to be dead simply because i'm never going to miss writing. sandwiches. are sold you see real kids but i could. i mean it's pretty good you know it really must be tongue in cheek but i got yeah i got the song so yeah they all day long right well one of the funny things is my favorite line is when he has to tell the drug dealer that he can't use it for a week yet was my paper and i was really cut i mean i think i like when he says it's is better today card that's really good and you know i have to say i'm a little concerned that this is going to be the hot new thing in the hip hop world like everybody's going to be flashing there and super excited like the new spinners
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oh i don't really like an actor yeah there is no one like wreckers are going to be teased that they don't have them they want to you know flash their sadie's benz and all the bling that they have they want to show how rich they are not being rich right now is not popular they have to go with writers very very high and it is very good no honestly it's actually the story is really sad because as you know unemployment among black males is that like a ridiculous high and this is the reality for them you have to go and make it go i know you guys made it not fun i thought it was going to be a thing why didn't the feel good being rich as popular as it is reality right now as we're going to do yesterday and say that one in five americans think that in a decade they'll be millionaires everybody always is to mistake the rich who were never goes out of style but then you have bill o'reilly but says that will get taxed fifty percent if we are people like mark cuban coming out and saying you know tax us all more and buffett you know the really really rich people so take
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a reading ok. this story. is a really good one too that's really really sad but. cracked you ok to. according to charging documents the kindergarten teacher had asked children to bring pictures of their family for show and tell a crack pipe and several baggies of rocks which later tested positive for methamphetamine were what the six year old brought. i think that might be the worst show and tell story that i ever heard give a crack at it actually had a crack in it too oh no you brought a baggie with like three thousand dollars worth of crack crazy the imbalance that was going thousand dollars worth of crack lying around i'm going i could say i didn't really want to be you didn't realize it was all like half cracked half mad i was really confused i was you know i had to turn around and ask other people in the news room can this happen and then. i thought also that this had to be the worst
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show and tell thing but i did a little research and now it turns out that just this year students i brought a gun i could write a gun i could brought a hand grenade somebody brought marijuana and then back in two thousand and two a child brought a preserved fetus of siamese twins from china. you can charge. people like a bat that when. i think of a hand grenade i think the hand grenade for all the album came out every one yeah i mean. again joined when he was a controlling twins going to come to life and exactly thirty dead. germans i think . ok well maybe there should be you know some kind of a pamphlet recently as to what you do don't run into the kids was see that's way more interesting the crap by then like what normally gets brought in for a farewell so i get points now i'm always going to go to jail so he's going to be crying out over in the hospital oh gee that story just gets worse and worse you
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know the reason i brought up the handbook or the pamphlet is because there's this whole larry's handbook about nightclubs in new york and basically what they're telling to south as to. terrorists or suspicious people and so we have a few of them picked out as some of the best ones for starters watch out for two or more people communicating and trying not to be observed. very very detailed. or another one is individuals with obvious signs of extreme stress or nervousness such as bolding brains in the neck proof you sweating or shaking hands and individuals whose speech includes stuttering mumbling or chanting or has a ginger unresponsive. this is ridiculous you know what. everybody in a club you know how many people are sweating that are mumbling because they're drunk and you know veins bulging as you've been dancing all day you're over exerting yourself it just seems. that if you have on you follow these clips any
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thirty second segment from the jersey shore could qualify as teri why there was one wasn't there like someone who's trying to conceal. wires and i don't know i feel like that would be generally you wouldn't need to tell me but if i can there's wires and tape hanging out of their clothing but i like to also give you tips on how to identify someone who was plastered and i'm like oh it's a night club like what people are going to read well actually when you give us exactly my whole point with those waiting in the mumbling of the who isn't doing that at the nightclub but anyway this is very counter terrorism measures you know hard work finding the right people all right guys thanks for joining me tonight i've got to wrap it up that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in to make sure you come back tomorrow and experience me on for getting back on the show now the meantime don't forget to become a fan of a lot of show on facebook and follow us on twitter if you missed any of tonight's show or any other nights you can always catch tell if you can talk flash heal on
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