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to this issue on what he said in just a month and later why it's so important elizabeth warren makes it into the united states senate in my daily take i'll echo her recent call for a new social contract in america. president obama spoke to the united nations general assembly today actually leaders from around the world the message he delivered as one of peace but one which acknowledge the reality of the world right now gripped by war and strife. the fact is peace is heart but our people demand over nearly seven decades even as the united nations helped avert a third world war we still live in a world scarred by conflict and plagued by poverty
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even as we proclaim our love for peace and our hatred of war there are still convulsions in our world that endanger us all but the president did herald the many achievements the world has seen over the last year and the emergence of an independent south sudan to a successful democratic transition of government in the ivory coast to the arab spring the middle east and libya and there were some tense moments when the president called out those areas where more work needs to be done namely iran and syria. and iran we've seen a government the refuses to recognize the rights of its own people as we meet here today men and women and children are being tortured the tane and murdered by the syrian regime thousands have been killed many during the holy time of ramadan. thousands more have poured across syria's borders but the big news coming out of the u.n. today is about to be is what's to be done about it independent palestinian state
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palestinian authority is set to make a bid for independent statehood and acceptance into the united nations a move that has roiled israel and put israel's closest ally us in a difficult position as a member of the un security council the u.s. can veto palestinian statehood even though last year at this very same time in the un general assembly meeting the president expressed his support for an independent palestine he spoke to this issue today. one year ago i stood at this podium and i called for an independent palestine i believed then and i believe now that the palestinian people deserve a state of their own but what i also said is that a genuine peace can only be realized between the israelis and the palestinians themselves one year later despite extensive efforts
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by america and others the parties have not reached their differences despite the united states current opposition of palestinian independence palestinian leader mahmoud abbas still plans to submit a formal request of the security council friday for a vote on palestine's acceptance to the united nations so how long the shake out and one of the global implications of the united states veto palestine for some answers that i'm joined by losing count of our team senior producer who is reporting from the united nations all this week he was he welcomed thank you tom thanks for having me on what's the what's what's the latest on what the palestinians are going to do i've been getting and seen changing alerts all day long about well they're going to postpone no they're not going to postpone they're going to ask for statehood maybe they're not but it's what's the very latest. well it's the million dollar question tom but all we can say as of this moment is that
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behind closed door frantic negotiations continue the president actually met with the boss earlier this evening we don't really have a lot of details on what was discussed and what they've agreed to but it seems most analysts would agree that it looks like that behind closed doors negotiations are achieving a deal of sorts for all sides to sort of save face on this issue both the palestinians the israelis the americans and sort of kick the can down the road from what we're understanding the palestinians are still expected to submit the paperwork to the security council on friday to officially ask the security council to consider palestine and palestinian membership into the u.n. as a fully fledged state now the issue is whether the security council will take up that ability mediately they're not going to do that if the palestinians were actually really sat on sort of you know sticking the proverbial finger in the eye of israel
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in the united states their second option would actually be just to go to the general assembly where there is no b.t.o. power and countries could by a simple majority sort of upgrade be palestinian state status from an entity to non voting nonmember state does not look like they're going to do that would it at the end of the day what it looks like is they're going to submit the paperwork and the security council is going to say all right we're going to take a look at this negotiations are going to continue behind closed doors a few weeks maybe will pass perhaps they'll be some sort of statement on both sides about peace talks potentially resuming and then if history is any indicator force presumably that might all fall apart again so it looks like the only thing that's been achieved at this point is the diplomatic crisis showdown has been averted but at the end of the day i must add the palestinians did succeed in bringing this issue to the front forefront i mean this this is the kind of international. gathering that every single year sort of merits of bland headlines not
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a lot actually gets done while the palestinian issue was front and center and at the very least the palestinian position has forced israel to sort of reconsider their stance and perhaps come an inch or two closer to the negotiating table it's seems like that's probably regardless of how this thing plays out the fact this is this is on the table this is in the discussion that the president was forced to address it today in his speech that the you know obviously the u.s. is trying to avoid anything that's going on and off with the with a veto you can security council but personally as well as you but that this is going to pressure both parties frankly to come to some sort of resolution you think but i mean see that's the thing i mean it is the measure going to the floor gets all kinds of good well again for the flight unclear they have been they haven't said that there are willing to come back with any sort of official official statement to move this forward everyone is trying to sort of work behind closed
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doors but at the end of the day this is a border issue this is a land mass issue and unless the israelis make intense concessions in terms of removing or or at least halting construction in west bank settlements and other areas which they haven't shown any indication or willingness to do this issue is not going to get resolved i mean you can't resolve an issue when both sides have these intransient positions that they don't seem to be backpedaling on so while yes this supposed showdown or threat of a showdown did bring the israeli peace process back to the forefront which has conveniently escaped media attention and international political attention for quite some time at least since the talks failed when obama first came into office at the end of the day the big obstacles to be seems to be the million dollar question about the palestinian peace process continue to remain on the table you know and one of the. one of the interesting quotes that we heard from the palestinian authority spokesman earlier today is he said that at the end of the day
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the palestinians are appealing for membership within the united nations an organization that the president himself raised in his speech earlier today they're not going to for membership they're not going to the mafia for membership that was his quote and that is a good point i mean the fact that they are seeking political recognition regardless of where you stand on the issue is something to be considered and whether or not this veto threat of a veto by the u.s. ever does take place world attention is on america and the fact that the americans have threatened to veto this defeat the fact that the u.s. has very clearly stated that it is going to be allied with its longtime partner and friend israel puts the u.s. in a political isolated position it doesn't it doesn't matter what you think of the israeli palestinian issue the overall result of all of this is that it's sort of marginalized as the u.s. and i as least the u.s.
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at a time when we really cannot afford it to to have any more of our credibility threatened and undermined you know the president in his speech today i didn't count the exam and or of times but talked a lot about peace and democracy and it's not lost in the eyes of the global audience a lot of the international diplomats i've spoken to that he did say it's continues to fight in afghanistan in iraq that we have in the nato led conflict in libya which does not seem to be any closer to resolution or at least a civil war there not to mention the expanding drone attacks and wars that continue in in africa and the middle east so the overall arching theme i had the i think is the slow slow decline of u.s. influence on the international arena and it remains to be seen whether this administration can sort of do the hard work to really change that around. other than scolding iran and syria president obama championed pro-democracy uprisings in
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libya syria the ivory coast even yemen but his tone has changed dramatically when it came to bahrain take a look at this. in bahrain steps have been taken toward reform and accountability we're pleased with that but worse report america's a close friend. and we will continue to call on the government and the main opposition bloc that we fought to pursue a meaningful dialogue that brings peaceful change that is responsible for the people we believe the patriotism that knives bahrain is together must be more powerful than the sec kerry and forces that would tear them apart doesn't make us seem like the us is willing to accept the same atrocities it's condemning all across the middle east and when they happen in bahrain with the government is launched with the new york times calls it ferocious crackdown against a popular uprising so sweeping it smacks of apartheid like repression of bahrain's religious majority. it absolutely does time and again in. this country puts us in
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a really tough position it's very hard to make the international argument that america stands for freedom and democracy and liberty and the freedom of all people when we seem to be picking and choosing which countries we come to the aid of and which countries re actually highlights the human rights abuses in the issues taking place there and i think that we do also have to keep in mind that a lot of the folks in the middle east in the middle east remember is that our support u.s. support for the so-called arab spring did not come with full and fusing aspic force from the beginning we were sort of nudged into standing with the egyptians with mubarak we were sort of nudged into these comments regarding yemen in a situation continues to escalate there it is bad right now and when this country is seen as sort of reluctantly coming to speak on behalf of democracy in some places and completely ignoring democratic the lack of democracy in other countries
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because of allies or whatever personal relationships we have it really undermines our credibility and again that is the one thing that we desperately need to work hard to to restore right now if that's even possible this is the stuff that countries do you see thank you so much for being with islam. well thank you tom. just for. the. good the bad in the very very neighbor formerly ugly the good congressman phil roe well i may disagree with a republican from tennessee on practically every thing he did save a man's life yesterday and that deserves recognition walking through the charlotte airport road heard someone calling for a doctor and he saw a man lying on the ground not breathing row used to be a doctor and so he immediately sprang and that sprang into action to give the man c.p.r.
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until paramedics showed up and got the man's heart beating again now only if we can get rode to show the same sort of compassion when takes votes. back south carolina republicans even though president obama released his birth certificate back in april birth the resume is still alive and well in the palmetto state into a new winthrop thirty six percent of south carolina republicans believe the president was probably or certainly born outside the united states thirty percent of them think he's a muslim seventy five percent and he's a socialist like a cockroach birth the reason is resilient in south carolina and likely won't go away any time soon at least as long as fox so-called news story in the airwaves. and the very very ugly rick santorum in an interview with politico santorum went after google accusing the internet giant of having an agenda against him and negatively impacting the country it all comes down to that frothy search result
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that comes up when you google rick santorum snake check it out for yourself or maybe show up in a case. i suspected something was not right that they're like that about joe biden they get rid of it but if if you're a responsible business you don't let things like that happen in your business that . impact on the country. of the country no rick your google search results really have no impact on that from whatsoever though they could have an impact on your presidential campaign perhaps that's something you should have thought about before you decided to base your entire political career on horrible phobia and that's a very fear. coming out united states senate candidate elizabeth warren has a message we all need to hear i'll tell you what's in that message in tonight's tailgating. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to
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your take my take is your chance to have your questions opinions and criticism heard here on the big picture our first viewer comments and i came to us via twitter it had to do with the decision earlier today by the georgia pardons and paroles board that i a last minute appeal by the attorneys for death row inmate troy davis to khalid his execution based on evidence that suggest the ballistic testing which led to davis to the one nine hundred eighty nine slaying of police officer mark macphail was flawed there is no hard evidence linking davis to the shooting and most of the witnesses who testified to davis is the original trial have since recanted their testimony and davis has drawn support from around the world pope benedict the pope benedict the sixteenth to former president jimmy carter reverend jessie j. jackson plied davis's case here in the big picture for example last night. this is just reasonable doubt this is substantial doubt there is no hog physically but
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that's no little blood little fingerprints no no go. at this it was at night as it were. i would miss which is the weakest form of evidence we even those birth those so if they had known then within those they would put it that way so what we're looking. the possibility of a river in a group is killing by the state which weakens the state's moral authority that takes away the life of troy that was at the very last possible moment tonight the united states supreme court delayed the execution as they prepared to rule on the case ed tweeted about all of this to say should murderers suffer the maximum the law allows speak out mr harben please well in any republic that strives to maintain the rule of law criminals must be held accountable for their actions but the eye for an eye rationale of the death penalty should have ended two thousand years ago
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when the guy that conservatives love so much jesus in the sermon on the mount specifically said it shouldn't there are several reasons i'm personally opposed to the death penalty it doesn't cut crime in fact those states who abandon it saw in some cases their murder rates go down and none saw it go up also in the united states the death penalty is more frequently used against minorities than whites i also don't understand why conservatives who hate government and love the death penalty i mean if they say that all of our problems are caused by too much or too incompetent a government and they don't trust the e.p.a. not to screw up businesses can't trust the government to determine or collect their taxes don't trust the government schools educate their children and how can they trust that same government to decide if they should die if they're found guilty of a crime especially if like troy davis they may be innocent as you can imagine that argument usually brings most debates to a grinding halt but the bottom line is this taking another human life is simply inhumane no matter what the justification for it maybe it's
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a violation of the first law of every human society don't kill other people so when we behave brutally even via our state we brutalize ourselves in our society which is why most of the civilized societies on planet earth have ended the death penalty and why we should too. our next viewer comment is from the ramp line last night i was joined in the studio by david stockman economist former congressman and director of the reagan era office of management and budget and republican is credited with writing the reagan budget and continued his work on federal budgeting through nine hundred five for after a few years in the reagan administration stockman turned against the promise of reagan's fiscal policies even authored a book on why the reagan revolution failed last night in fact he explained why. once we got into the heat of politics it came unstuck the defense posture got way too big the pentagon got out of control and unfortunately ronald reagan was
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unwilling to discipline the pentagon and he hated big government but it stuck with the potomac river secondly when we passed the tax cut in order to pass it we had a pretty and every kind of ornament and special interest gimmick and tax break in loophole imaginable there was almost like a feeding frenzy on capitol hill and so the tax bill ended up being forty percent bigger than we had tended as the deficit ballooned and i began to see we couldn't cut our way towards balance i became an advocate of raising taxes to recover some of the revenue we lost in one nine hundred eighty one and so once you're called in with this observation about david stockman appearance on our show. for having a reasonable republican that was abused and said it first refreshing to see the republican. traitor i mean a reasonable guy that worthless treachery i noticed about to be some of them out
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there maybe the religious ones we could always say such people by their works like the bible were killed on that a few carrots that's a great one i try to use that will find a way to pick you. well anytime we judge someone based on the merits of their actions rather than their label are one step ahead of the game and just to be clear just because i engaged in services and debates almost on a daily basis doesn't mean that i'm ready to dismiss them all as a group as ghandi once said honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress and our final comments and i it was posted on the tom hartman facebook page as you probably noticed by now every night during the good the bad of the very very ugly we feature an adverb of the day like tonight's word neighbor formally which as you can see means to be turnip shape but i have to admit it's one of the tamer ones we featured in a while bill posted on facebook my mom says i can't listen to you anymore i'm
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learning too many bad words hoops well at least no one can accuse us of not being an educational show and bill's mom if you're listening little intellectual smart never hurt anyone that's it for your take my take the night if you'd like your comments and questions heard in the segment the big picture listen up let me know your to send us your comments by visiting the tom hartman facebook page but twitter that's under score apartment or in the champ room on the message boards through the blog at tom hartman doug you can also leave a message with one to two five three six fifty three zero six three disagree sound off it's all welcome to remember that your comments made the news on the year. this is a little with warm and she's running for the united states senate from massachusetts against incumbent republican scott brown and according to
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a new poll from public policy polling she's winning and this is the reason why she's winning. i thought all this shit i was this class warfare is what you know there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own nobody knew about the factory out there good for you be clear you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for your workers the rest of us paid to educate you oh we're safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for you didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and sees everything that your factory and hire someone to protect against this because of the work the rest of us get now look you built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea god bless keep a big hunk of it but part of the underlying social contract is you take
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a hunk of that and pay for it for the next time. she nailed it she got right through the poll tested b.s. about job creators and class war warfare got right to the heart of what's going on in america or our social contract has been broken by greed and the middle class is dying and millionaires and billionaires the corporate c.e.o.'s the oil oligarchy those who become wildly successful and now have more money and they can spend over five lifetimes are not job creators as republicans they're not producers as i and rand call them and they are not worth keeping this nation going they are not who we should be depending or they are success stories success stories that are only possible because the rest of us made them possible without all of us you need everything with everybody we know without us the millionaires and billionaires
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wouldn't be billionaires and billionaires there'd be no koch industries would be no exxon mobil if you know goldman sachs. from the worker who toils forty hours a week on an oil rig in the gulf to the mother on food stamps of quarters out of her couch to fill a car up with gas for the student at a public university who invented a new gadget that helps the business of fish and see we as a nation we as a government built prosperity our by our purchase by purchase idea by idea as elizabeth warren said and nobody in the country got rich on his own those who enjoy enormous wealth today are merely to paraphrase or isaac newton standing on the shoulders of giants past generations who day in and day out good with their supposed to do showed up for work paid their fair share raise their
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families and laid the groundwork for prosperity and a nation where opportunity became the touch tone and it's about time those who achieved so much success as a result of all of our and our ancestors work and sacrifice start paying their fair share help our nation stablished basic economic health housing and workplace security for all of us we're not asking too much here there'll still be millionaires and billionaires there will still be people rich beyond our wildest imaginations but it's a travesty in america but these modern day kings and queens are driven to work in their limousines along streets lined with poverty and desperation president obama is not engaging in class warfare he's simply saying it's time that those who have benefited the most off america should pay their fair share pay the same tax rate as the rest of us who don't have private jets and vacation homes so that
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future generations can achieve the same sort of success that's the social contract with elizabeth warren spoke about that's what we need to bring back in america. and that's what i'm trying to do every single night on the show and it's what you should be doing too if you want to see more of elizabeth warren by the way her website is a little bit aloof warren dot com you can check that out and pass along the good word also there's a number of great candidates out there but also growing sanders is a real champion of the middle class he's been out there speaking in ways that. for years frankly for decades in ways that have have had such an incredible honesty and accuracy that there's an incredible response to them and louise and i used to live in vermont and. during the bush years and you drive up north up into the north country and the very rural areas very conservative very republican areas of vermont and there would be a bush for president signs in two thousand for bush for president sign on the front
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