let. me. here's the. palestinian president mahmoud abbas his address met with a standing ovation at the united nations following his bid for palestine statehood so as past negotiations between israel and palestine have failed where will this showdown legal debate. and a showdown in the west bank as clashes are met with tear gas and deadly violence we'll have a report from the israeli palestinian border. and are we i am after jazz in the world as the world bank and i.m.f. meet in washington

a global economic crisis possibly looms so can they solve the world's problems or is the i.m.f. part of the problem. good evening it's friday september twenty third seven pm here in washington d.c. i'm lauren lyster and you're watching r.t. . well as a sixty sixth general assembly gathers the united nations clashes have been had between israelis and palestinians in the west bank while in new york palestinian leader mahmoud abbas has handed over his bid for membership for palestine to the united nations now this got a massive applause and a standing ovation from delicate such as egypt when abbas took the podium at the u.n. g.a. today take

a listen. meanwhile just outside our new york bureau just a few blocks from that speech from the u.n. our producers could hear the chants of free palestine as the speech wrapped up now the u.s. has said it will veto abbas's move at the u.n. if it goes to the security council and we heard from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu today as well who said that the palestinians refused to negotiate and the mideast quartet of mediators involved to the u.s. european union russia and the united nations called on israelis and palestinians to agree with a month on how to resume negotiations with a goal of reaching a peace accord by the end of two thousand and twelve but where is this all headed and it's also going to try to figure out if everyone is really headed towards another crash collision. there are two main forces of noise in the big apple this

week the traffic. and palestine's course which speed trap you were using religion to. create a sixteen year old but i don't know your existence until i got home from jerusalem with the palestinians taking control of a situation at a boiling point is the privilege of those with power but even the authority of the strongest can win. because those care and will take short cuts to allow whistles. and even standing ovation. are so. excellent see mr ban ki moon and application for the admission afghanistan as if one member of the united nations. official ask for recognition at the one for security council vote ignoring america's repeated warning to veto this to say after sixty three years of suffering. tragedy and mecca enough

enough enough. it is time for the palestinian people to gain their freedom and independence the time has come obama the nobel peace prize winner the middle outwards did all he could to prevent this from happening but american power is gone as a result of. last year when we come back here next year we can have an agreement that will lead to a new member of the united nations an independent sovereign state of palestine living in peace with it this year palestinians three were stabbed in the back he has created a sense of let down among the palestinians the arabs even there was people of good conscience who expected obama to live up to his promises to his values and principles rather than to narrow self-interest obama's explanation one year ago.

i stood at this podium and i called for an independent palestine but what i also said is that a genuine peace can only be realized between the israelis and the palestinians themselves. house makes a historic move but the one america loses political points its diplomacy the public feel here and its ability to control diminished and i know that many are frustrated by the lack of progress oh sure you saw. one of the routes for obama's motorcade always remain open with so many other players affected by the traffic created there will always be the one that gets away. and says he sure can r r t v. now to talk about this earlier i spoke with political scientist and author norman finkelstein in new york as well as the president of the christian's israel public action campaign richard hellman here in washington d.c. i said as negotiations between israel and palestine have failed in the past i

started things off by asking richard a very simple question what's wrong what then with palestine going a different route and our quest for statehood by going to the u.n. as we had to say. well know one of analyze the underlying reasons why they failed president obama. in any zeal to move the talks ahead where it's eleven predecessors had been unable to do so effectively raise the bar so high that not only nothing yahoo's government but no israeli government freely elected could say that the six hundred and fifty thousand jews who live in the areas that under the saudi or arab peace initiative are called occupied or contested that there could be no natural growth of settlements that meant that no one could enclose a torture or add a room to their home for a new. newlywed couple or or elderly parents coming home so that bar was set so

high that israel could not accept it for more than an interim period the ten first ten months freeze on settlements and on the other hand the palestinian authority leaders have said we could not and that is to say we couldn't let obama be more palestinian than us so that and they can't come to talks without a complete freeze and it's a fact nothing yahoo had already killed what was left of the peace process before this it's very sad to say so but in atlanta the takeaway i'm hearing you say that president obama well he contributed to it but also the palestinian authority would not come in and tear into negotiations in good faith without preconditions as well as they had previously done and their predecessors including chairman yasser arafat had done for many years in fact there were plans complete plans presented by prime minister of iraq in two thousand in july camp david and later under olmert as i

heard you barack a speak of last night all night had a whole plan ready to go and the palestinian authority didn't accept it it was virtually one hundred percent of what the story was asked let me bring on in that i think we can point fingers we can talk about this plan or that plan because she has been going on for two decades. and there's no i mean is it could a u.n. resolution just how confident thanks are right. the problem is not a new u.n. resolution the problem is none of the old united nations resolutions the advisory opinion of the international court of justice and a consensus opinion of into the whole of humankind has been consistently ignored for the past thirty years there is no this whatsoever there is no controversy whatsoever under terms for resolving the conflict israel has fully withdraw to that

from the territories that arkie pardon to nine hundred sixty seven there has to be mutual recognition between the powers that means they and the whole of the west bank gaza and east jerusalem on the one side and the state of israel on the other side and there has to be a just resolution of the refugee question ok so i'm not are exactly here let me just get in here because you know we're going through a lot of details but let's let's focus on just exactly what happened today should palestine be recognized as a state app a u.n. . i think that prime minister abbas or president abbas today in his speech made a very clear case for why the united nations should not fulfill its mandate and also hold international law by recognizing the post in state in what is universally recognized as occupied palestinian territories and that's all

the post indians are asking that the law be upheld and that israel is not given a free hand to continue occupying and expanding its settlements illegally in palestinian territory ok no i'm not you richard you're shaking your head why should i think recognize palestine well i disagree completely. with. what the law is because all the talk was their neighbors and the iraqi kurds alast i first there has never been a definition of what it is that israel occupies one portion of what was the palestine mandate coming out of the league of nations after world war one jordan became a state and israel gave away the whole sinai and they pulled out of lebanon and they pulled out of gaza and in each case what israel got in return was tens of

thousands of rockets raining down on israel so that it was in the hands of the leaders of the palestinian authority to create a virtual equivalent of monaco or or or the riviera because it's the same city it's the same beautiful area instead they created with all due respect a hell hole for their own people with rockets raining on israel and one of the reasons why israel can't do this is because everything that is happening in the u.n. right now including what. boston is asking for is contrary to security council resolution . two four two and three three eight in the oslo agreements all of which were agreed on in the past ok gentlemen what's happening here is something that so often happens when you talk to people on two sides of this issue no matter what the new news is no matter what is going on now you can never have a discussion about now because no one can answer a straight question about now everything back to a million different things you know what i didn't i didn't want these men are like

. is there anything that you guys can agree on i don't know if it's anything i'm going to agree on but i let me go to richard or whatever but i can say that apart from whatever prime minister netanyahu or another israeli government thinks it might be able to agree upon and no one is counting the cost that is to say if somehow these six hundred fifty thousand jews were all moved then ten percent of all the jewish israelis were moved out of where they live now with all their infrastructure and another six hundred fifty thousand or a million are moved and there's hundreds of billions of dollars of cost to united states and foreign aid and perhaps two divisions of u.s. troops they say nato troops richard so there's a vast consequences to this that nobody's looking at what what can you think of one thing you could agree with normal well i think i could agree with norm perhaps that this whole situation to put it most kindly has been mismanaged and mistakes have been made could you agree with that norm norm you think that. i don't think it gets

us very far to find agreement on that statement and i think with all due respect to you we go due respect i think the question is wrongly posed it's not whether or not our you agree with richard richard agrees with me the point is that the position i'm stating to you now on is the position of all fifteen judges in the international court of justice i am not stating a extreme position every single judge in the international court of justice stated everyone that the settlements are illegal now i happen to agree with every single judge in the international court of justice richard on the other hand doesn't agree with the justices in the international court that's the problem the problem is the whole of international opinion and its most representative body to general assembly

in its most esteemed body the international court of justice the whole of international opinion stands on one side and israel along with its supporters like richard stand on the other side i am not telling iran to react again or this show is about to get that i just let you get that in return we have a plane one hundred twenty one hundred ninety three members that the general assembly all recognize palestine independently why shouldn't they ran well i don't want and i can only give you about ten to fifteen seconds they have not played like we are aware of eyes and i think the best opinion is coming out of the u.s. congress saying that this is not really representative of. justice or or what is best for either israel or for the palestinian arabs so i think we need to revisit the whole situation regardless of the court opinion and the general assembly opinion as political scientist in our government thank president of the questions israel public action committee. richard hellman now all of this going on

in new york our discussions going on in d.c. i miss all of that overseas individually used violence has erupted in the west bank purportedly over the bed archies paulus lawyer has been in the midst of the conflict the israeli palestinian border here's what's been going on. well i'm here with the kalandia checkpoint between jerusalem and ramallah and the situation is as want to tell and dangerous as it has been most of today every so often is a sporadic outburst of violence the soldiers that are surrounding me right now they're all dressed in full riot gear they surged forward and then the protesters behind me they respond by firing and throwing stones they don't surge forward and the soldiers respond with tear gas now they have been tires going through up a course of the day there have been flayed going up in the sky and numerous ambulances driving past and picking up injured people but it certainly is not a scene that either the palestinians all these raids would have wanted the

palestinians are afraid that the israelis will use this example of violence as an excuse to lobby international support and not to support of the palestinian bid for statehood the palestinians also concerned that the israelis will intensify their presence across the west bank and indeed we are hearing reports of these way the army doing precisely that but these clashes are not limited only children myla they have spread throughout the west bank as well as in jerusalem we are now hearing reports that there were clashes in east jerusalem between israeli army and palestinian protesters and five palestinians have been arrested there we have heard reports of one palestinian who has been killed in a village not far from the palestinian city of nablus in a separate incident a fourteen year old palestinian boy was badly injured when and he's waiting now the plaited vehicle drove over him and that was in eastern hebron and at the same time we're now hearing reports of two is grady's that have been killed but those reports are complicating and it's not clear at this stage whether those two israelis were killed in an accidental motor incident or whether in fact the kind of thing that

goes into them did so at the city but either way the israelis and the palestinian security forces have intensified their presence and it's one it's because all of this violence is happening against the backdrop of the palestinian president mahmoud abbas as historic address to the united nations further inside. city which is a far distance behind me tens of thousands of kind of turned out to listen to that address they greeted their appearance with thunderous applause they were welcoming this historic moment in palestinian history but that doesn't change the facts on the ground in those facts are that there are very real fears that the violence erupting with thank not only here in ramallah could result in a clued into. so that's what's going on now but this has been becoming more violent as the palestinians headed after the united nations and parsley or looks into more in depth why that is. taylor has been farming land deep in the head one

hills for more than twenty years he says this land is his and he has the papers to prove it we are the only in the world that they're a document a document that. measure. every. local you go by but but not so much it makes the same claim he insists the land has been in his family for some eight hundred years but now this is the closest you can get to it and it's eating him up watching jacob farm it. very hard feeling. resist with force it's one of the services with the army. the west bank is full of people like jacob and nasser israelis and palestinians both main claim to the same piece of land. almost weekly angry scenes like this dominate the landscape and especially now as callously and head

off to the united nations the clashes are becoming more violent it's one thing to declare a state and another to determine where its borders will be this fence cuts through your calls farm meaning that right now i am standing inside palestine and as i walk through here. i'm now in israel and for as long as the borders remain disputed is also taking advantage and sending its citizens to settle the west bank so it has a stronger argument not to give it up but it's throwing up problems like your one and his wife yale who are now at the center of a major quote battle it's not between israelis and palestinians it's a battle between israelis and israel never was. and i was. with both the unions and the. horrible. crime. of. eleven years ago

the israeli government not only gave you an under slanted form but helped him as much as it could he was the only israeli in the area at the time but now the same government that wanted him here has given half his farm to new settlers it's sending his way and believes his wife ideology is only part of the story i believe is a management problem worse we'll murphy you can almost say that for them it's about money and making money and greed in real estate development etc whatever the reasons israel says it won't recognize a palestinian state declared of the united nations which means even if the un rules that is what he hills are part of palestine these clashes will in hindsight be a warning of what was to follow policy r.t. in the hebron hills. afrin diplomatic battle to financial ones with the eurozone debt crisis unresolved persistent high unemployment in the u.s. with the country possibly headed for recession some believe the u.s.

is already in one and with global growth expected to stop big question candy i am any solutions or is the very institution part of the problem well as the i.m.f. needs in washington right now i spoke with paul craig roberts who is a columnist and also a former reagan administration official assistant secretary of the treasury mind you i asked him why the i.m.f. was warning about austerity now as we heard earlier this week on the i.m.f. has traditionally been the purse kreider of austerity well that m.f. changed his tone for europe and united states not for anybody else but then how would you respond to great because greece is part of the eurozone and the i.m.f. have first private austerity for greece right where you see the trouble is. makers and united states and europe are in the hands of the bankers and so the bankers who don't want to lose one euro or one guy. are using the policy of europe

and united states to bail themselves out and they're being bailed out regardless because to the general public and the various countries or the cost to the national economies of the various countries and that's the basic problem so as long as policymakers are focused on bailing out the banks. now the rest of the economy will suffer and continue to worsen so would you argue that if greece does in fact a fall and if i am allowed that that would be breaking the cycle that you're talking about well it's not up to the i.m.f. or whether greece defaults we have to be very careful that i am helpless and become the governor of these countries and the best solution for greece would be to default. because if they default it means their loans have to be restructured to

what they can pay and the banks then have to write down the losses and if the losses endangered by x. then the european central bank turn its attention to what it takes to say but it's good as long as the european central bank and the g twenty and the i.m.f. and the federal reserve in the united states a focus on saving the banks at all cost and those sensible outcomes possible i hear what you're saying i want to go back to what you said at the beginning of the interview because i just want to i kind of want to go further with that because you're saying that now the i.m.f. is changing its tune and saying austerity is a bad thing because it's europe in trouble or do you mean as opposed to a lot american countries or other developing nations that right have been subject to i.m.f. programs in the past exactly right ok so then going over there because i'm sorry to say that m.f. is a western institution that it can't subject. on countries

funding. the same punishments it does to the underbelly so are you saying that the old tarrier motive of coming out and calling not for austerity but for stimulus is what to push at european countries to bail out european sovereign nations that are in crisis and banks just bailing out the banks failing on the banks when they say they are bailing out greece what they really are saying is we are bailing out the german dutch and french banks who purchased street bucks and they didn't do due diligence they purchased well bonds then greece can service and we don't want them to lose any money and so we're going to do one of two things maybe both one we're going to make the greek people. who got no benefit. from these ponds suffer and pay higher taxes and cut the benefits so that they can

service so that the government can service instead and in addition we're going to try to get germany and other unrelated countries to the problem to cough up a lot of money that we can lend to greece on top of what they extract from their population. to pay the banks elsewhere well this this is an absurd you see what's happening is all of the social. programs all of the regulations everything that made capitalism a humane system that people could live under are being torn off and we're getting again robber baron capitalism but not you are you kind of describing classic i.m.f. policy just to clarify. no because the i.m.f. has nothing whatsoever to do with the euro sovereign debt problem the i.m.f.

is supposed to listen to countries who have a balance of payments problems and this is most often underdeveloped countries who can't pay for all the imports that they're bringing in country. to feed their people and also in order to invest and develop the characters so they get into a balance of payments crisis and they're at the purpose. is to. smooth over those crisis when those crisis while the countries return to. pay off their. trade debts and so you're saying i that the euro zone doesn't even qualify because it isn't right for you to ration my question to you you mentioned earlier the i.m.f. is though as a western dominated organization it always has been there have been i would say over the last year or so many people that i've interviewed that have said that that

bretton woods system of which the i.m.f. is a part of and came out of that meeting post world war two is outdated does it need to be do we need to get rid of the i.m.f. at this point and put replace it with something better. well or maybe the i.m.f. thinks so too because it's trying to find new roles i mean. this is bad trying to become a bailout so you know i am happy is doing is strictly against its own charter. it is not empowered to lead and for these kinds of problems it's supposed to be dealing with balance of payments deficit's balance of payments problems so and of course the european central bank is not entitled under its charter to make loans to starving governments but is doing so nevertheless that we have two big organizations violating their own charters in an effort to prevent bikes from losing any money so you think that's where the big story is everybody is willing to

break the rules to bail out the banks. that's exactly what the story is and that's what we're watching and of course it can't work because if the indebted countries can't save the existing debt they're not going to be able to pay it if it's replaced with debt to the i.m.f. and the world and the european central bank so the loans are not pay a will and need to be restructured and that's the problem is being boarded consistently avoided and the whole crisis is coming out because the european central bank and i.m.f. and the national governments involved will not face the real problem in deal with the real problem and the real problem is that letting people just default on it and letting the banks and the investors pay the price they don't need to default they can restructure them reduce them to some level that they can pay and then the

european central bank can decide what is the impact on the banks lent the money and then what kind of a do they have to do they need to be given loans to see them through the write down period that would be the way to proceed all right i don't know if we're going to speed up or we'll wait and see what comes out of this meeting i appreciate you for being on the show that with all kind robert calling us also former reagan administration official and us going to do it for now from one of stories we covered go to our teeth dot com slash usa and you can check out our youtube pages to you tube dot com slash r t america and the longer versions of the interviews you just saw there including my panel with the gentleman on the israeli palestinian dispute ongoing debate you can also tune in at eight we will have a fresh interview on a totally different way to approach the world than the i.m.f. or the u.n. or these other institutions.