back in the lone a show where you get real headlines with none of the mercy or you live in washington d.c. now it's not going to take a look at last night's republican presidential debate we're going to pull apart some of those talking points that may get cheers from the crowds but they don't really work in reality then palestinian president mahmoud abbas officially submitted a bit proposed in spades would at the u.n. today it's got a date over middle east peace that is top news but is anything actually moving forward here or is it was the same decade's old arguments rehashed over and over again also it's now been almost one week since occupy wall street began and yes the

protesters are still there although you wouldn't know it from the lack of media coverage we have all that and more for tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to me it's. all right so last night there was yet another g.o.p. presidential debate and so of course the mainstream media is all over it acting like nothing else is going on in the world parsing over every single word over who's going to do over who or what about parsing is unfortunately for the most our surface level and still pretty shallow gossipy but we're going to get into that in our first interview for now let me go back to a really big critique that i've made before and it's only becoming more apparent with every debate the every cable network has at this point hosted a debate fox news has done it more than once and every single debate or policy well it's either come up dead last or last night for a change or came up halfway through but it's always been maybe one or two questions at best maybe

a good ten minutes out of two hours now i understand that the economy is issue number one for americans right now when we're engaged in more than two wars around the world it shouldn't be at the bottom of the totem pole. specially since our financial interests and our defense spending all those things are couple the mainstream media which is in charge of the debates which makes the questions for the moderators asked it's really a bad reflection on them to choose to give foreign policy so little attention but let's move on to the really scary part is even the ten minutes or so that is devoted to foreign policy in each of these debates it becomes very clear that almost every single candidate up there doesn't have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to foreign policy now here's a little real that we put together last night and keep in mind these people are trying to become the commander in chief trying to become the leader of this country and our face for the rest of the world down to the topic of foreign policy all that we've been showing you these work clouds take a look at this all the searches on foreign policy. usually just yesterday we found

out through admiral mullen that. has been involved with and that's the. terrorist group directly associated with the pakistani country. a relationship with india we should be fighting to win not trading wars for politics and history as. you know it is with one hand tied behind our generals according to the state department's website there are four nations that are state sponsors of terror cuba is one of those nations we would know right between the united states and cuba it's a state sponsor of terror. now if some of those statements don't make you cringe get a really uncomfortable feeling going up your spine well they should see the first clip there is actually reflection not just the candidates but the entire republican

party they were asked what the most important words work when it comes to foreign policy and it just said israel and big bold letters listen i know that israel's america's ally. this is something that americans have very strong opinions about but the middle east peace process has been going on for decades it's not going to be solved up there by one of the candidates giving a one minute answer most importantly we're not at war in israel were at war in afghanistan and in iraq as well as of course libya pakistan again and somalia but we have troops we have americans that are losing their lives every single day in afghanistan in iraq and yet those words just don't make the cut they're not the first thing that comes to mind is crazy. you know then you've got rick perry who can talk to his texas attitude about what he does in his state what he thinks about social security the federal reserve but what do you say about foreign policy if you start throwing out random words i honestly think that he had one too many private sessions with his team that all got mixed up in his head somewhere conny taiwan

ditch pakistan but this is not somebody who's qualified to be president ladies and gentlemen you really want him meeting with foreign leaders on your behalf and how about rick santorum so according to him we need to fight wars to win that and yeah i would say that's true i would say that's common sense and i would certainly not so revolutionary idea but then instead of using that logic to say that the war in afghanistan isn't winnable the fact that there is no winning to do in iraq to say that all that is a reason to end those wars and to bring our troops home but he doesn't say that he just went on that to say that we need to keep fighting there forever and later on it didn't quite register and that he basically said that our generals should be in charge of the whole thing and he was a military one just now going to hand over his powers as commander in chief to the generals i don't understand what this guy is talking about and of course there's michele bachmann. oh michele bachmann bless her heart in those red pajamas that she was wearing last night to a televised debate but she really just say that according to the state department

website there are terrorists in cuba are there terrorist sympathizers now for starters around the house intelligence committee if you're getting your information from the state department website that i'm seriously concert secondly are we really talking about cuba and the threat that it poses to the u.s. right now how many times we have to tell you people of the cold war is over it's a long over and yet you just haven't bothered to properly brief yourself to educate yourself on the wars that we're currently involved it and which you would take over if you became president so instead you just keep harping that the threats of the past you guys the words that are coming out of these people's mouths are really really disturbing their lack of knowledge is really really scary and let's not forget there's one person on that stage last night who actually has a sensible approach to foreign policy and i'll be congressman ron paul here's somebody who actually understands that we are winning our wars that we can't afford our wars anymore somebody who actually has the guts to say that we're doing more damage than good the we're hurting ourselves our reputation that we're creating

more people more jihad is more people who want to be against us by continuing to occupy countries and launch drone strikes and kill civilians and that's the conversation that really needs to be had but guess what fox well they didn't even let ron paul answer a question on foreign policy last night and stead they let the rest of those buffoons make incoherent statements shout out random world leaders and terrorist organizations names like they have to read and then they just moved on. you know i'm baffled i'm disappointed but mostly i'm really concerned being the president of the united states is about a lot more than just a message policy being a commander in chief isn't just about deferring to your generals at all times if you have no comprehension of the culture the history of the regions in which we're engaged in war and you have no business trying to be in charge of that and that's all i have to say about that but that's the mainstream media has been more than happy to miss.

now the lack of foreign policy is far from being the only thing that was wrong in last night's republican debate it was hosted by fox now despite the fancy team up with google the network's attempts to incorporate you tube and social media and show that they're up with the times we heard a lot of arguments that are far from being moderate or progressive be them about gays serving in the military or the idea that a fence is going to solve our immigration problems so let's go through some of the points that were argued prove some of them wrong let's break down what questions were missing especially in the wake of things like that's accusatory davis just this week or discuss this with me is david kurtz managing editor and washington bureau chief of talking points memo david thank you so much for being here tonight so for starters i just ranted for probably about ten minutes because i feel so passionately about this and i wonder if you're with me you know when you hear these candidates or at least guy group that's up there and i don't know if you agree with me about ron paul or not when you hear them talk about foreign policy do you get the sense that they don't know what the hell's going on it's remarkable especially for republican primary field where foreign policy for every since the second world

war has been a private issue for republicans not to have that big h. of it anyway i think it's a sign of just how bad the economy is or they're tapping into the economic insecurity all of this out there all of the dislocation and whatnot that goes with an extended period of recession and so i think that's what they're focused on but it is a workable change from even four years ago let alone during the cold war period where that was such a huge focus for. a clock and being able to connect the dots and say that an extended period of recession an extended period of war might also not be helping the specially if you want to lower taxes all the time during a period of war these things don't make sense you can talk about them at the debates but you know i want to bring up ok we've seen a few stars it seems like coming up michele bachmann you could say started out as a big star and now she's on her way out rick perry has had a bit of a hard time of these debates and i want to play a clip from her last night and we'll discuss it. is it the mitt romney that was on

the side of against the second amendment before he was for the second amendment was it was before he was before the social programs from the standpoint of he was for standing up for roe versus wade before he was against verse rule versus way he was for race to the top he's. for obama care and now he's against it. that was just painful but ok i understand that rick perry actually came out of his defense today saying that republicans don't just want a smooth talker a great debater and i know that being a great debater isn't all there is to being a president but i'm failing at something right if you can't you can't formulate sentences that make sense it's tough in the day after the debate you have to emphasize that the painting is not really what the elections are about it with i just told you right there and i think that if the commentary today not just from democrats people would have reason to fight for with his performance before

republican pundits and republican establishment or through out the morning and into the afternoon it was just so my god you know what was that and i think you know he made a huge splash going into the race and i think the first debate performance exceeded what everyone's expectations are so it's going to be a problem since i've been sort of ready even and i think it goes back to this one of those truisms of politics that everyone always thinks their election cycle that there's this candidate out there this sort of you know prince or the whites and it's going to come in and shake up the entire field and just grab the nomination it's just never that simple it's a lot more complicated once you're in the rain in the arena you know you get you get your message gets muddled i mean there's just a lot of complications actually being a candidates what is your chance to be the guy who might come in and shake his that's a cop who gets me like sarah palin figure out and talk about how they got her time sort of john bolton or someone that's what do you think that really is killing rick perry's chances i mean is that enough to actually turn people against him or does he still have you know energy this momentum behind him where people. are still very trying to you know we get so much energy momentum but i think that he speaks and

it's taken policy positions that really speak to the tea party wing of the republican party and i think you know mitt romney just doesn't have the sort of credit with that audience that perry does and i don't think that's necessarily going to change they were going to work on is trying to do is to make the point again and again and again that i'm the only guy who can beat obama and perry can't do that but it doesn't seem at this point that republican primary voters are particularly interested in argument they want someone who's speaking to them directly on the issues they're playful strongest about and that's still perry even though as we saw he's not the sort of the most articulate well let's talk trash and raise you i think knows how to speak so people at least he's been able to capture this tea party populist you know these emotions that are out there right now not michele bachmann but we need to collar out some statements that just don't make any sense and one more clip. i think you earned every dollar you should get to keep every dollar that you earn that's your money that's not the government's money.

that by the way somebody asked her how much of their salary they should be forced to pay in taxes and sure that might sound popular that you earned every dollar but then how you sorry no taxes throws the world supposed to work that way hard to keep fighting your wars abroad how you just can't maintain the roads that people have to drive on to get to work she immediately backtracked from even during the debate and i think she told sean hannity afterwards on fox that you know of course you've got to keep the government running and i think you can charge brought that bridges and roads and stuff are the kinds of things government should have a role to play and so i but it's interesting because i think it is i mean we've we've been on this anti-tax crusader scene the roads are the same type tracks from say since ninety eight when reagan was elected and through that whole period i mean they've been trying to reduce reduce taxes and we're down to a point now where the rubber really hits the road you know you see it with the pledge that many of them have made not to raise taxes to go over the course pledge and at some point at some point you really have to start making those hard decisions it's no longer just a rhetorical gambit but you've got to make the tough policy decisions i think there

are running up against that now we're running out of time a little bit so i'm going to skip the next clip and i want to push a few things together and i feel like as i mentioned this is a google sponsored debate they had a you tube it had this really modern feel what i feel it is lacking is really a discussion of the things that are happening right at this moment i mean do you think that when there's a presidential debate when we have stock markets crash for the last couple of weeks and you have europe on the brink of a sovereign debt crisis that very well is going you know it's going to affect our economy that's going to drag us back down into recession shouldn't those be things that the candidates should be asked about or how about the fact that troy davis was just executed this week and sure we heard about rick perry's execution record a couple of weeks ago but that is something that is very very timely and i feel like we're not hearing those hard questions death penalty didn't come up at all last night you know the economy comes up but i think that one of the fascinating things about this election cycle is that even with the economy is front center as it is and driving so much anger in the same manner you saw the two thousand and

twelve race. but republicans are focused on policy prescriptions that don't really address those issues and so a lot of this is sort of an atmosphere it's a trying to tap into an anger that their policies don't necessarily address and i think that's the disconnect that you're seeing yeah i mean there was obviously a lot of pride in having google on board with that with the program last night and you know they had the you tube questions you know people look like they were sort of ok in their attics you know asking questions of the candidates but i think with which you really saw was this huge disconnect between the need for jobs the need for economic growth to pull us out of this and the sort of tax cuts and cuts in government spending that they're a little bit little bit of reality perhaps you know it's unfortunate that rick perry had to be the only sane one out there when it comes to talking about the fact that building a giant bents isn't going to keep immigrants out and a little bit offensive already out there people are just scaling it with ladders it's not working very quickly do you think what do you think this means that the chances are for profit obama's reelection i know we're still far away but after last night's emmy you know i think that so long as rick perry is potential standard

bearer for the party that that is a good thing for barack obama i think there's much better in a general election against perry than that he doesn't but you know period in to himself any favors last night so i mean i think the white house will obviously be here for whoever comes out the pike and i can i wouldn't rule it out being someone other than through these guys though that does seem the most likely outcome at this point but it's so early you know and the cycles move up so much that tons of debates more to go i think that'll help clear oh yeah i know it's time to have more debates i'm very curious to see some statistics come out there eventually for how many republican primary voters actually watch this david and i thank you so much for joining us tonight thank you. now still to come tonight the war over a palestinian state a half and eleven this week cast healthy and officially for admitted to be a mistake but today it's actually going to. face the issue.

let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think iraq. wanted well. we never got the book says they're very confused safe get ready for freedom. you know sometimes see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then a glimpse something else here's you some other part of it and realized everything is off you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. see.

if we just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old i like to tell the truth. i confess and i am a total get of french that i love driving because he is a latin phrase. but he was kind of it yesterday. i'm very proud of the role that algeria has played. today president mahmoud abbas submitted a historical quite request to u.n.

chief banking moon asking the united nations to recognize palestine is a state and admit is a member of for you and i understand can only be granted by the security council or nine out of fifteen the from the us is already set there would be the palestinians have also left options open to a lesser alternative becoming a nonmember observer state or be granted by the maternal assembly where there is overwhelming support overall though this move is seen as purely symbolic a vote clearly isn't going to solve the decades long middle east peace process but the lead up to this moment has brought israel palestine conflict back to the forefront of the us political scene being covered incessantly in the media but is there really anything to say that hasn't already said i join me to discuss this is my inner body visiting senior fellow at the institute for palestine studies and seton motley the founder and president of less government gentlemen thank you so much for joining me tonight now first starters so it's been a bit of a will he go for it will he not go for it leading up to this and today well abbas

went for this admit that it obviously the situation playing out is going to go to the security council is the u.s. going to have to go out and veto it or are they just going to go the general assembly route well it will go to the security council obama will try to mobilize you know votes against the supplication that he won't have to be to it but if the palestinians have enough votes the u.s. has. to work because you know perpetuating israeli impunity has basically become the central plank of u.s. middle east policy whether or not the palestinians decide to go to the general assembly we don't really know yet i think the important thing is. about this initiative is that the palestinians are once again returning to the international community with its opportunity to break us monopoly over israeli palestinian diplomacy the u.s. is now the smoked. twenty years has nothing to show for its record except one feel

year after the other resulting in one who was really settlement after the other and i think it's time now for the community of nations to to issue its verdict on the scene what do you think your because i want a critique so we've heard a lot about surrounding this entire process here in the better state heard is that people are saying this is a clear example of america's waning influence over the middle east peace process that they're no longer the key players in the room to go she asians are being made in rooms where they are present well it's just i think that's not the america is waning if it's barack obama's going i think the scene is an international joke and he's not taken seriously on these things are more he's been all over the place on this issue he's going to be the contributor to this i think somewhat ridiculous push by mahmoud abbas for palestinian statehood by calling for a return of the sixty seven borders which is probably a sort of he's never going to happen he's been feeding both sides of this so it's been a schizophrenia situation so they just keep him other room because they don't know what they're going to get from him from one day to the next but president obama i

mean can you really blame him for not being able to solve the middle east peace process right now how many american presidents have tried this and you could say that bill clinton also failed when he had much more favorable conditions and. i have to say it's a little stunning i don't live in the united states and i haven't been here for some time you know president obama gave a speech to the general assembly yesterday which was received in israel with this week. he was seen as going you know way beyond what any non is really the lone head of state of america would saying on this issue. you know people were saying d.d. is not going to have to rewrite his speech lest he come across as less is really the american president and then you look at the situation here in the united states and obama is being denounced right left and center for having thrown israel to the ball so i think it demonstrates you know the united states. is so out of step on

this issue with the rest of the world it's basically at odds with the rest of the planet that it's simply needs of supervision on this issue you simply can't continue with a situation where the us decides is a monopoly are we are we have step here see steadfastly refused to acknowledge that the united states needs adults of revolution if the juxtaposition is with the united nations which is made up of iran and syria china north korea and those adults and every other well but not everyone agrees a palestinian state but i mean it's a patently absurd notion if you would find that the vast majority of the allegedly in the us your general assembly write it chances are that it is going to pass far it will be the un should be abolished they can turn it into an ascent asylum in that way no one will have to move. the the the proposition of the year israel has been force fed as a partner in peace terrorists for the last thirty years yasser arafat now is not going to abbas who still will not recognize israel's right to exist and their pain

into the corner for three decades and then told ok you've had long enough we're going to go for statehood is patently absurd but the thing here is so ok so now there is this statehood bid but what is that actually going to achieve what is it actually going to change i mean like i said is this more of just a symbolic gesture than a micro through some process these you might see a vote you might see a veto it might be accepted in the general assembly and then what happens the next day after that everybody wakes up and says oh we still have a huge problem on our hands if we could return for a moment to the real world the world that exists you know have a situation where you say mahmoud abbas won't work with those of no knowledge because he said in june of this year that he does not acknowledge israel's right to exist in june of this year no he said it on t.v. i've seen it i've seen the video yes or i was in which i would prefer as he said on t.v. in june of this year that israel does not have the right to exist he said on video repeatedly over the course of their kids that you not only recognizes he just certain that you really doesn't. well you know i'll take him at his word now go do

your homework i just saw the video i can send the video to you so it's on the video it's on memory dot org and it's in and out of the simon weiss is not i know very graphic and i'm not very good at let's go back to the actual video music industry let me tonight the video on i'm understanding from all of these are your friends and if there's anything that world leaders for many country are good at it's flip flopping saying one thing one year and another thing the next and we've seen barack obama we want to let you know barack you have to take them at their word i want to ask you why why this palestinian statehood is even why is it think there's a sort of what you would you know think it's very clear is that the palestinians under mahmoud abbas and somehow engaged in a campaign to eradicate israel off the map i mean you couldn't possibly have a larger disconnect with reality ok to make the same you have just heard from the british to answer to answer your question you know the palestinians had initially high hopes and the obama administration has basically spent the past eighteen months wiping spit off their face and have decided they can no longer continue in

the process whose only operative principle seems to be on the one hand continuous deepening of the occupation through israeli settlements expensive and on the other uncritical and systematic american support for the occupation rather than arresting and reversing from the leadership's point of view this is a tactical maneuver to seek to improve the framework of any future to go create a lose lose could actually make things worse for everybody i think for the palestinians it's a win win situation because i think you will now see a dynamic that goes beyond the leadership itself and in the sense that you know i believe going to see greater internationalization of the question of palestine again breaking the u.s. monopoly which is an effective way and it's really over israel the palestinians do you think we don't see this enough of an international i mean i observed them. interesting when i was watching the news this week is that you can say that when it

comes to this vote in the general assembly this is something that countries from all over the world this is an international glance at the middle east peace process and they're all i heard being discussed here on our u.s. media is how is this going to play for barack obama politically and saying that it's going to play for him well politically if he vetoes it here at home and it does seem like our political process a little bit removed because it's all about domestic u.s. politics any time netanyahu speaks it sounds like he's talking just to the g.o.p. and not to the u.n. leaders well because the u.n. leadership is it's absurd it's the human rights council of some of the biggest cities on the planet at the u.n. i mean is a joke and you say that that represents any sort of international community is preferred only in the sense that if it were true do you support the u.n. in cases where a u.n. resolution is passed for us to go to war in libya i mean i feel like people picking i know what i want to write i don't envy you when i don't like the u.n. should ever have existed no i think it's an absurd ridiculous cobol it's a tower of babel it means nothing so i don't think i don't see console i don't see

their approval i don't see their disapproval i don't care what they say it's ridiculous ok in the day one thing that we've heard said from all parties involved here. obama is that this isn't going to happen at the u.n. level right if there's going to be some kind of middle east peace it's going to have to happen in direct negotiations direct talks between the two countries so once again why are we here and have any here at the u.n. or alternately i think you will need negotiations and i think the issue is not whether or not you have negotiations but what are those negotiations going to be about we've seen in the past two decades is that these negotiations are about nothing and nothing but nothing what we need now is a clear agenda negotiations. you know whether the occupation should continue or not not negotiations about this road block or about tax transfer but negotiations about the limitation. of palestinian self-determination for you out there john because

we're out of time but perhaps you know leadership could be playing a role too i think president bill former president bill clinton has an interesting word that is a global clinton initiative he said basically that this whole thing is netanyahu his fault not fly is deteriorated but we're going to see how this all plays out i want to thank you both for joining us tonight and you. can sort of come to seating presidential candidate worth millions kind of attend these middle classes so yeah it's nice full time when our animated free media keeps ignoring off the wall street protests but tonight we'll have an update on the protests taking place in our manhattan studios. given that we are in the heart break. i think. we have. they're safe.