of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then he glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok if you don't. charge welcome to the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here. i think iraq is in need of funny well. whenever the government says they're for keeping safe get ready because their

freedom. for. fear for the. welcome back the u.s. military is packing up shop and getting ready to move out of iraq or so we're told but reports show a different kind of buildup is actually underway as we pointed out in the past the

mainstream media has continued to overlook the fact that contractors and employees from the u.s. state department are moving into the country to pick up the slack left by the military drawdown so far the state department has awarded three security contracts worth nearly two point nine billion dollars over the next five years alone and there are more clues as to where the state department will carry a strong presence and basra the u.s. base will stop posting thousands of u.s. soldiers however the u.s. consulate is undergoing a massive expansion and is expected to hold over twelve hundred employees most of which will be security contractors along with civilian officials from the state department's bureau of international narcotics and military personnel to oversee oversee weapons sales and security training now there are also plans for a consulate in terrible it will have approximately fourteen hundred people and will be the operating post for the security cooperation facility and don't forget we

already have the one billion dollar u.s. embassy in baghdad that was one billion the one hundred four acre compound is the largest u.s. diplomatic outpost in the world and it's home to three thousand troops contractors and civilian officials now the state department appears to be doing its best to take over the troops left off they're requesting five point two billion dollars just in iraq for two thousand and twelve that's the review billion dollar increase over the previous year so a lot more money and the senate committee on foreign relations as to mates that the state department will spend between twenty five to thirty billion dollars in iraq over the next five years that is a substantial increase over the previous five years now in the state department's budget summary for two thousand and twelve explains that some of that money would go to. the economic support fund which is designed to help a transition from a military to a civilian presence and to continue aiding the iraqi government now that money would also be used for anti-corruption programs and strengthening iraq's private

sector economy and that the words military to civilian presence have been repeated throughout the one hundred seventy two page report in efforts to explain why the state department needs more funds despite efforts to cut federal funding now funding now the report signed by secretary of state hillary clinton explains much of the work previously done by our military in iraq will be coming the responsibility of the state and u.s. agency of international development so with all of that in mind it sure doesn't look like the u.s. will be leaving iraq in a real way any time soon but rather replacing troops with civilians and private contractors as much as possible so is the u.s. mission in iraq over what we'd say hardly sounds like it. now last night afghan an afghan employee of the u.s. government opened fire inside a cia office in kabul killing an american injuring a second now this was an employee of the u.s.

government and it reportedly happened in the cia compound in the already on a hotel that is said to be one of the most heavily guarded in kabul now i want you to remember back in two thousand and nine remember when the cia experienced the second deadliest attack in its history when it would be informant blew himself up on an afghan base well at the time then cia director leon panetta noted they counterterrorism required working with dangerous people in dangerous situations involving a high degree of ambiguity and risk yes u.s. war seems to make for interesting but fellows i just earlier this month in afghanistan we saw militants shower rockets on the u.s. embassy and nato headquarters now the u.s. claim to have connie network of militants and washington accuse pakistan's spy service the i.s.i. of offering support to this group which pakistan denies now it turns out according to media reports the u.s. worked with an economy family in afghanistan during the soviet occupation in the

eighty's and use pakistan's i.s.i. to funnel money to the economies to allow them to buy weapons media reports even revealed that the leader of the haqqani network even visited the white house when reagan was president yes u.s. wars certainly make for interesting but more than that does the u.s. simply make the bed bed it lies in joining me is jack rice former cia officer and criminal defense attorney to help me answer those questions i jack really with you it's so nice to have you on the show now i want to start with a question that actually glenn greenwald posed in a recent piece for us on that i think makes quite a point and i want you to answer it does the u.s. ever had any enemies that it did not at some point in the recent past fund arm and or cooperate with extensively. you know i've been thinking about that question myself and the problem is there's one additional element that you have to probably add to this angered to the point that it caused them to attack us if we didn't fund them and the only one i can think of is hezbollah and hezbollah it's generally in

lebanon and elsewhere and they're tied to the iranians but all of a sudden if you start talking about iran you have to come back and realize that what the americans did was completely replace their government in the fifty's with essentially a to cali tarion dictator of the cia my former employer's choosing and you wonder why do you want to and government is incredibly angry with us you see so that's maybe the additional sort of failure that we have because there are lots of but your thing basically that you can't think of one example of that that the us haven't found way shape or form funded armed or cooperated with in the bath. you know what essentially you're correct i start thinking about central and south america over the things that we have supported over totalitarian dictatorships if they're in power if they were out of power they were supporting the rebels and then the rebels come into power and then they go he says you mention the economy network and you think about what we have going back into the eighty's and the into the seventy's and you think about the pakistanis and pakistani i.s.i.

but let's take this to a very current state if we think about what pakistan in the part pakistani i.s.i. that's their intelligence service what they have done they were the ones who primarily established the taliban in afghanistan i'm thinking about this in terms of my last trip to afghanistan itself and we think of what the i.s.i. has done they were the ones who funded them they were the ones that put them in place in afghanistan and then we turn around in our spending amazing amounts of money on the pakistanis while at the same time we're actually fighting the very people that these terrible ishmael if you can explain that or at least explain it in a way that makes sense to me or anybody else. that history will be cross i think you're going to think i think he did a pretty good job of explaining it and use that. all of this comes from your experience you were in that i want to ask you about this latest afghan employee that we thought opened fire and what was reportedly a very. tight area tight security heavily guarded area in kabul restricted even

to afghan forces this cia office and that's how it's how it sounds kind of fishy it is it sounds like there's more to the story. oh without question there is a lot more to this but it does highlight one point and it was true regarding the coast incident as well as this one is that the americans are are having a heck of a time trying to figure who their friends are and who their enemies are and the reason is because the ground is actually shifting under their feet we realize that with the pakistanis and everything going there we realize that with the afghans themselves and i think about the number of people who claim that they were supporting the americans when in fact they work but every time that there's an incident where a civilian or group of civilians that is killed which are causing their blood feuds within afghanistan which may create somebody who was once an ally into internal enemy and that's part of the problem that the americans face every time they run the operation what it says they want you're saying at your say every time the u.s.

runs an operation it creates new everything that i have to fight against later well essentially every time the nato troops and u.n. troops run an operation an individual is injured who is just some civilian what should then creating is a huge group of people who see the americans as the perpetrators of evil of horror of the crimes that they think the americans have committed and what it does is it expands the number of people who really truly hate us i mean think about this way here between one point two one point five billion muslims in the world the vast majority of them don't necessarily exist or don't necessarily love us but every time we go out and do something stupid what we're doing is we're taking a larger and larger number of them and pushing them into care. that despises this forever and that number is getting bigger and bigger and bigger each time we sort of make these ridiculous moves that we have to know much about iraq and afghanistan in general i'm talking about some of the latest move are seen from the american

leadership in some u.s. senators talking about pakistan by the way add one additional point the pakistanis have somewhere in the neighborhood of eight nuclear weapons let's add that to the mix realize just how much more complicated this is going to become keep your eyes on the state very much talk about it so what exactly thank you think is going to happen in pakistan what i think the big concern here right now is that the pakistani government is on this razor's edge they've always been trying to sort of lean to the west and then at the same time they have islamic extremism within their own country and they're constantly pushing back and forth to try to find the balance they have sometimes help the americans while at the same time they have regularly done things that hurt the americans if the americans push their back against the wall which are going to see there from politicians just like you see in this country is they will pander to the masses and the masses aren't us the masses are the extremists in places like the watch it is so it certainly is local but in

her due to the north that's going to drive them into more extremist camps and i would contemplate just how many people we're talking about and then of course you have those eighty nuclear weapons in the mix and where those may end up this could be catastrophic in nature and the americans know that and that is what they're afraid of and frankly that's what they should be afraid of that's what they should be afraid and i want to just continue that and look at another country which is iran because it's another one that you hear u.s. politicians always beating the drums of war over it's also a country that the u.s. and its secretly arming back in the eighty's and through israel so talk about the fact that they ever on regime that had u.s. weapons funneled through it does that make it more tricky when the u.s. ever thinks about any kind of military. effort there. well actually makes a great point because when i mentioned at the beginning i thought as well i was the only organization yeah if you think about it through the iranians i guess you take them up the list to go check yes that is a real problem especially when you contemplate what iran is capable of he would be

talking about afghanistan in the sense that if we compare just iraq let's just start with iraq. and then you look at iran iran is three times the size seventy five million people they have triggers in places like lebanon they have triggers in places like palestine and elsewhere throughout the middle east who are the most powerful the most influential country in the middle east their ability to actually control events on the ground and they have been able to do that whether we like it or not is so extensive that if we actually come back now and claim we're going to get into this war with the disaster is so much bigger than we have been dealt with yet with afghanistan or iraq and i can't if you tried simply would it means to the rest of the muslim world when they realize we're in three major countries well i'm not even counting given i'm going to only somalia or libya that it just really does look like the invasion we always thought that some of what was claiming was coming there you go jack you just summed it all out that basically the u.s.

has problems our own making and we'll have to wait and see how long until the u.s. is saying that the new libyan regime that it installed is a threat that that may be next time thanks for being on the show and so much. now still ahead here he attacked the president for having a harvard degree at harvard by the earth thank full time blair might also have forgotten he has two degrees from the famed school and happy hour you can't avoid jail time in one alabama town if you got attending church but the florida teacher it fired after seche private videos and pictures are leaked is that fair look at that back in a moment. let's not forget that we are in a park. right. i think iraq is beautiful and funny well.

we're never government says they're going to keep you safe get ready because you give them their freedom. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep is if you understand it and then you've lived something else here's some other part of it and realize that everything is just you don't know what i'm charging locums a big fish. see . you just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old i just tell the truth. i

confess and i am a total get a trendsetter i love rap and hip hop is second in line for. what he was kind of yesterday. i'm very proud of the role without just as he played. all right guys it's time for tonight's tool time award and tonight it goes to mitt romney the g.o.p. presidential candidate has a long history of flip flopping on issues remember rick perry try to score some points on mitt's history of flip flopping in the last debate. is it the mitt romney

that was on the side of against the second amendment before he was for the second amendment was it was before he was before the social programs from the standpoint of he was for stand you know for roe versus wade before he was against verse roe versus wade it was that he was sore a race to the top he's. for obama care and now he's against it. ok that made me feel better about any time that i ever flub on air now despite perry getting a little lost with his flip flops the point was actually trying to make was the wrong the how the long history of changing many of his positions and in addition to changing his positions last week alone i told you about him trying to change his image romney's trying to be an every day man he's lying on felt less airline been eating at fast food joints while on the road and making sure that everybody knows about it now just last week romney also promised

a campaign and free of pandering for votes but i think the american people recognize support a part of crisis and they want to hear the truth and they can tell when people are being phony and are and are pandering to an audience and you'll see that in politics you're not going to see that my campaign. then it looks like romney has already broken that promise last thursday he was at an event in florida and he attacked president obama for having a harvard education he said obama should not be taking advice from the harvard faculty lounge and this is not the first time he's taken a swipe at obama for having a law degree from the ivy league school and thinking with that mentality last month during a speech on foreign policy romney said the president was weak when it comes to dealing with dictators saying that maybe what they think and that harvard faculty lounge but it's not what they go on the battlefield now romney has never served on

a battlefield because he's never been in the military but that's actually not the point where we have a better one the point is that romney seems to want to make an issue with the influence of a harvard education which is bizarre considering the fact that mitt romney has not one but two degrees from harvard himself a business degree and a law degree and three of his sons also have degrees from harvard and i'm thinking you might be regretting his comments right about now because the democratic group american bridge is highlighting that romney donated fifty grand to harvard business school in two thousand and three and happened in post took a look at romney's donations and found he has received upwards of fifty six thousand dollars from that harvard faculty he thinks is so horrible and their spouses since two thousand and two so could it be that he is taking the advice of the harvard back to do we think romney should probably stop trying to disavow is passed in education for political gain because the cat's out of the bag he should give up on trying to convince the american people that he is the every man because

what americans want is honesty and that is why we are getting tonight's tool time award to mitt romney. all right joining me tonight for happy hour is our t.v. . producer jenny churchill and thompson is back as a senior editor at the atlantic i think for being here so a florida teacher this goes along with her everything happens in florida sorry for her name is natalie's pentagon she was fired recently after a video mysteriously surfaced of her engagement and some questionable activities during non-school hours. trust shattered after videos of fourth grade teacher natalie santa got a surface that district staff suggest is of drug use and sex acts these actions argue some parents are an example to follow. all right guys what do you think she

was fired over that video i mean. it wasn't just that video that was that wasn't the serious part of video jenny. no actually you know there were some psych out sex that's involved it's a really complicated case because what you're talking about here is a woman doing things supposedly legal they say she was smoking marijuana it's also alleges she could have just been smoking cigarettes that she rolled herself but you know having sex with her significant other and they were sent to the school board and she was fired. the tricky part is they were posted on you tube where students could have seen her doing these things which leads to kind of an awkward situation in the classroom i don't know what do you think what do you think i think it's a complicated situation for the administrators because in the one hand you know sleeping with your spouse isn't shouldn't be a fireable offense in the us i don't think but on the other hand it's not that complicated to say if you're going to be doing these kind of things near a teacher just do them but don't film them yeah i think the filming part is tricky but i think that you shouldn't lose your job for having sex with your spouse even

if there's a video of it the problem is that if it's true that there is footage of her unambiguous he's smoking marijuana that's a tough thing to say there's a teacher and to be fair to her she did catch she did recently take a drug test and she did pass and they have no proof that that's what she was doing it to me the real issue here is that there is a video of her having sex with someone on youtube and she's a fifth grade teacher. and i'm sorry fifth graders know what sex is ok they know what you tube is they can go watch their teacher have sex on you tube tacky yes take it down probably if you're going to fire prove that those drugs were drugs that's what i have to say and we have to move on so i get final word on that a lot of criticism has formed around school lunches speaking of schools this one is not to do about sex but this has to do with statistics showing how unhealthy school lunches are it's gotten so much attention there's even a reality show about it. as a piece of restless. for years i've never seen pizza goodness. knows what this is so you think you can take this tour of america by the fries has about you. which

i'm with that springtime what's wrong with that would you eat it. ok you heard i mean fries count as a vegetable those people at the school lunch room well now the u.s.d.a. wants to prove that that is wrong they want to ban potatoes from school breakfast aka tater tots and limit them during lunch is also with french fries because studies show that fry potatoes are not healthy and when you think i think i think jamie oliver actually has her in the right place i mean we should want our kids to eat healthy and everyone benefits when you know these kids grow up and they eat healthy and they don't have diabetes that's wonderful there's a reason to go nuclear on this and ban potatoes from schools there's actually lots of there's lots of really they actually want to remove all potatoes let's get this right they want to remove all potatoes from breakfast and let me any potatoes in the lunch to two times a week so what that sounds great that's what you think of all the cameras around there's lots of the really simple ways you can get kids to eat healthy it actually

comes from behavioral economics if there's a study that shows that if you just shine a light on a banana or piece of fruit right by the place the kids are about to start their car to leave with their lunch tray eating that banana or food has a fifty percent if you put in a salad bar in the middle of the rooms the kids have to walk around it you can get that selling part increases by seventy percent and that's a really small market. really where why is that even tested you know to get that we won't have the kind of backlash you will have if you ban tater tot how probably still time to just don't give them tater tots don't give enough let's not give them a mind let's think for them you know it was out of mind is the only liar they knew more knew when you went to school what food you eat the lunch that my mother packed and if i had our eat this whole night was. it will be that that's a lie when iris is not alive that's why when i went to school i ate school lunches every single day i would beg my parents please pack my food my friends are so cool to get packed lunches i never got

a packed lunch and that there has been nothing has changed in school lunches over the last sixty years however it has been because they're not doing anything where it's happening right now you're eating. dairy. under your name food they're not getting off their butts and getting outside obesity is not easily let their get in here with their one thing both things are absolutely true there's absolute proof that kids are getting less exercise today than they were thirty years ago and there's also pretty clear evidence that they're eating much were stupid and they were thirty years ago we can solve this thing from both ends i don't i'm just saying if we know that tater tots probably aren't good for kids there are two ways we can try to solve this problem you can try household that says it is illegal to steer to talk to the public school with strikes me as a little bit your county and or we can try to find interesting intriguing and innovative ways to get kids to eat more healthy in a way that doesn't invoke the ire of every parent ok yeah i did write that referred to have to move on i'm so sorry daniel yergin you next time that's

a problem all right now that's ok speaking of eating at home or school you could have the option to go eat somewhere else instead of jail if you are punished for a crime in alabama you can go to church one alabama town is giving nonviolent offenders that option operation restore our community or rock begins next week bay when the city judge will be a misdemeanor offender of the choice go to jail and pay a fine or go to church every sunday for you. ok so if you go to church you have to check in every week and with the pastor and you know if you you show up every time your case will be dropped after your good deal or completely wrong to have the courts do this. i think it's really complicated i think in this particular area it's a big problem specifically because they don't have any mosques or temples for jewish but i mean it's obviously a christian thing go to church be better which i have an issue with i do however

salute judges who are trying to find creative ways to keep people from jail i don't think charles complained and eric we have just a little bit of time but i want you to get your thoughts and i actually i actually pretty much agree with you on this issue i'm like you going to public schools i like the fact that the judge is being created in terms of coming up with punishments that we actually that work in behavior and so actually might have a chance of reforming this guy at the same time skirting this church state border by forcing him to go to church as opposed to forcing him to work out of the gym or forcing him to see a psychiatrist two things have nothing to do with the separation of church and state that might have been both innovative and legal right innovative and legal i don't think that this alabama judge gets it on the mark i don't know about the church thing but thank you guys for being on happy hour was interesting debates and i all right that that precise show thanks for tuning in make sure to come back tomorrow alone will be back lucky for you in the meantime don't forget to become a fan of the a lot of show on facebook and you follow us on twitter and if you missed any of tonight's show or any other night you can catch it all on youtube dot com slash deals on our show we post all of the interviews as well as the entire show on the

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