of american exceptionalism the be. good on some measures to a story and it seems so for like the plague is that you understand it and then a glimpse something else you hear see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm charging welcome to the big picture says. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here in the us. i think iraq is beatable and done well. whenever government says they're going to keep you safe to get ready if you give them your freedom.

for. fear. for their. welcome back the u.s. military is packing up shop and getting ready to move out of iraq or so we're told but reports show a different kind of buildup is actually underway as we pointed out the past the

mainstream media has continued to overlook the fact that contractors and employees from the u.s. state department are moving into the country to pick up the slack left by the military drawdown so far the state department has awarded three security contracts worth nearly two point nine billion dollars over the next five years alone and there are more clues as to where the state department will carry a strong presence and basra the u.s. base will stop posting thousands of u.s. soldiers however the u.s. consulate is undergoing a massive expansion and is expected to hold over twelve hundred employees most of which will be security contractors along with civilian officials from the state department's bureau of international narcotics and military personnel to oversee oversee bump in sales and security training now there are also plans for a consulate and terrible it will have approximately fourteen hundred people and will be the operating post for the security cooperation facility and don't forget

we already have the one billion dollar u.s. embassy in baghdad that was one billion to one hundred four acre compound is the largest u.s. diplomatic outpost in the world and it's home to three thousand troops contractors and civilian officials now the state department appears to be doing its best to take over where the troops left off they're requesting five point two billion dollars just in iraq for two thousand and twelve that's the review billion dollar increase over the previous year so a lot more money and the senate committee on foreign relations estimates that the state department will spend between twenty five to thirty billion dollars in iraq over the next five years that is a substantial increase over the previous five years now in this state department's budget summary for two thousand and twelve explains that some of that money would go to. the economic support fund which is designed to help the transition from a military to a civilian presence and to continue aiding the iraqi government now that money would also be used for anti-corruption programs and strengthening iraq's private

sector economy and that the words military to civilian presence have been repeated throughout the hundred seventy two page report and efforts to explain why the state department needs more funds despite efforts to cut federal spending now funding now the report signed by secretary of state hillary clinton explains much of the work previously done by our military in iraq will become the responsibility of the state and u.s. agency of international development so with all of that in mind it sure doesn't look like the u.s. will be leaving iraq in a real way any time soon but rather replacing troops with civilians and private contractors as much as possible so is the u.s. mission in iraq over we would say hardly sounds like it. now last night afghan an afghan employee of the u.s. government opened fire and side a cia office in kabul killing an american and injuring a second now this was an employee of the u.s.

government and it reportedly happened in the cia compound in the already on a hotel that is said to be one of the most heavily guarded in kabul now i want you to remember back in two thousand and nine remember when the cia experienced the second attack in its history when a would be in for it blew himself up on an afghan base well at the time then cia director leon panetta noted that counterterrorism required working with dangerous people in dangerous situations involving a high degree of ambiguity and risk yes u.s. war seemed to make for interesting bedfellows and just earlier this month in afghanistan we saw militants shower rockets on the u.s. embassy and nato headquarters now the u.s. blamed the hook on the network of militants and washington accuse pakistan's spy service the i.s.i. of offering support to this group which pakistan denies now it turns out according to media reports the u.s. worked with a colony family in afghanistan during the soviet occupation in the eighty's and use

pakistan's i.s.i. to funnel money to the economies to allow them to buy weapons new york ports even revealed that the leader of the network even visited the white house when reagan was president yes u.s. wars certainly make for interesting bedfellows but more than that does the u.s. simply make the bed that it lies in joining me is jack rice former cia officer and criminal defense attorney to help me answer those questions. really with you it's so nice to have you on the show and i want to start with a question that actually glenn greenwald posed in a recent piece for salon that i think makes quite a point and i want you to answer it does the u.s. ever have any enemies that it did not at some point in the recent past fund arm and or cooperate with extensively. you know i've been thinking about that question myself and the problem is there's one additional element that you have to probably add to this angered to the point that caused them to attack us if we didn't fund them and the only one i can think of is hezbollah and hezbollah it's generally in

lebanon and elsewhere and they're tied to the iranians but all of a sudden if you start talking about iran you have to come back and realize that what the americans did was completely replace their government in the fifty's with essentially a to tell a terrier dictator of the cia my former employers choosing and you wonder why the iranian government is incredibly angry with us you see so that's maybe the additional sort of failure that we had because there are lots of them now you're saying basically that you can't think of one example that led to us haven't found way shape or form funded armed or cooperated with in the bath. you know what essentially you're correct i start thinking about central and south america all of the things that we have supported over totalitarian dictatorships if they're in power they were out of power they were supporting the rebels in the rebels come into power and then they boarded pieces you mention the economy at work and you think about what we have with the mujahideen going into the eighty's and into the seventy's and you think about the pakistanis and pakistani i.s.i.

but let's take this very current state if we think about what pakistan the pakistani i.s.i. that's their intelligence service what they have done they were the ones who primarily established the taliban in afghanistan i'm thinking about this in terms of my last trip to afghanistan itself and we think of but what he has done they were the ones who thought they were the ones that put them in place and in a stand and then we turned around and are spending amazing amounts of money on the pakistanis wrote the same time we're actually fighting the very people that they established if you can explain that or at least explain it away to make sense to me or anybody else. with a big prize i think you win a big prize that he did a pretty good job of explaining it and is that all of this comes from your experience you were in a theater i want to ask you about this latest afghan employee that we thought opened fire and what was reportedly a very. tight area tight security heavily guarded area in kabul restricted even

to afghan forces this cia office and as hotel it sounds kind of fishy does it sound like there is more in the story to you oh without question there was a lot more to this but it does highlight one point and it was true regarding the coast incident as well as this one is that the americans are are having a heck of a time trying to figure out who their friends are and who their enemies are and the reason is because the ground is actually shifting under their feet we realize that with the pakistanis and everything going on there we realize that with the afghans themselves and i think about the number of. people who claim they were supporting the americans when in fact they work but every time that there's an incident where a civilian or group of civilians that is killed which are causing their blood feuds in afghanistan which may create somebody who was once an ally into internal enemy and that's part of the problem that the americans face every time they were not quite as they were your thing at your say every time the us runs an operation and

creates new everything that happened. well essentially every time the nato troops and un troops run an operation and individual is injured who is just some civilian which are then creating is a huge group of people who see the americans as the perpetrators of evil the horror of the crimes that big the think the americans have committed and what it does is an experience the number of people who really truly hate us and think of it this way they are between one point to one point five billion muslims in the world the vast majority of them don't necessarily hate us or don't necessarily love us but every time we go out and do something stupid what we're doing is we're taking a larger and larger number of them and pushing them into the camp that despises us forever and that number is getting bigger and bigger and bigger each time we sort of make these ridiculous moves that we have and i'm not talking about iraq and afghanistan in general i'm talking about some of the latest move you're seeing from

the american leadership in some u.s. senators talking about pakistan their own by the way add one additional point the pakistanis have somewhere in the neighborhood of eight nuclear weapons let's add that to the mix realize just how much more complicated this is going to become keep your eyes on pakistan very much talking to tell you that i think you think it's going to happen in pakistan well i think the big concern here right now is that the pakistani government is on this razor's edge they've always been trying to sort of lean to to the west and yet at the same time they have have islamic extremism within their own country and their constant. pushing back and forth to try to find the balance they have sometimes help the americans were at the same todd they have regularly done things that are hurting americans if the americans push their back against the wall what you're going to see there from politicians just like you see in this country is they will pander to the masses and the masses aren't us the masses are the extremists in places like herat you get a subtle but certainly global bought in for you to the north that's going to drive

them and it works through these camps and by that we contemplate just how many people we're talking about and then of course you have those eighty nuclear weapons of the next and where those may end up this could be catastrophic in nature and the americans know that and that is what they are afraid of and frankly that's what it should be afraid of that's what they should be afraid of i want to just continue death and look at another country which is iran because it's another one that you heard u.s. politicians always beating the drums of war over it's also a country that the u.s. with secretly arming back in the eighty's and through israel so talk about the fact that they ever on regime a had u.s. but been funneled to it does that make it more tricky when the u.s. ever think about any kind of military. effort there. well actually it makes a great point because when i mentioned at the beginning i thought hezbollah was the only organization yeah if you think about it through the iranians i guess you take them off the list yes that is a real problem especially when you contemplate what iran is capable of i mean we've

been talking about afghanistan in the sense that if we compare just iraq let's just start with iraq. and then you look at iran iran is three times the size seventy five million people they have triggers in places like lebanon they have triggers in places like power and elsewhere throughout the middle east to the most powerful the most influential country in the middle east their ability to actually control events on the ground and they have been able to do that whether we like it or not is so extensive that if we actually come back now and claim we're going to get into this war with the disaster is so much bigger than even dealt with yet with afghanistan or iraq and i can't even contemplate what it means to the rest of the muslim world when they realize we're in three major countries well a momentarily given a moment only somalia or libya that it just really does look like the invasion we always thought that some of the blood was claiming that there you go jack you

just summed it all up and basically the u.s. problems are our own making and we'll have to wait and see how long until the u.s. is saying that the new libyan regime that it installed is a threat that badly the next time they can be on the couch and so much. now feel that here he attacked the president for having a harvard degree at harvard advisors thank full time where must also have forgotten he has two degrees from the famed school and happy hour you can't avoid jail time and learn alabama town if you start attending church like a florida teacher it's fired after sex videos and pictures are leaked and that's fair but if that's back in a month. those numbers give that we can afford right. right. i think the beautiful one well.

we never got the that says they're for keeping safe get ready because you're going to lose your freedom. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly is that you understand it and then you did something else here's some other part of it and realize that everything is ok you don't i'm trying hard times a big picture. we just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old i like to tell the truth. i

am a total get over friends that i love driving because he is excellent and. he was kind of a guest today. i'm very proud of the role that it's played. the time for tonight's tool time award and tonight it goes to mitt romney a g.o.p. presidential candidate has a long history of flip flopping on issues remember rick perry try to score some points on mitt's history of flip flopping in the last debate. is it the mitt romney

that was on the side of against the second amendment before he was for the second amendment was it was before he was before the social programs from the standpoint of he was for standing up for roe versus wade before he was against verse roe versus wade but he was for race to the top he's. for obama care and now he's against it. ok that makes me feel better about any time that i ever flub on air now despite perry getting a little lost with his flops the point is actually trying to make was the romney how the long history of changing many of his positions and in addition to changing his positions last week alone i told you about him trying to change his image romney's trying to be an every day man he's lying on golf less airlines that you get fast food joints while on the road and making sure that everybody knows about it now just last week romney also promised

a campaign ad free of pandering for votes i think the american people recognize that we're deployed a crisis and they want to hear the truth and they can tell when people are being phony and are and are pandering to an audience and you'll see that in politics you're not going to see that my campaign. but it looks like romney has already broken that promise last thursday he was at an event in florida and he attacked president obama for having a harvard education he said obama should not be taking advice from the harvard faculty lounge and this is not the first time he's taken a swipe at obama for having a law degree from the ivy league school and thinking with that mentality last month during a speech on foreign policy romney said the president was weak when it comes to dealing with dictators saying that maybe what they think and that harvard faculty lounge but it's not what they go on the battlefield now ronnie has never served on a battlefield because he's never been in the military but that's actually not the

point where we have a better one the point is that romney seems to want to make an issue with the influence of a harvard education which is bizarre considering the fact that mitt romney has not one but two degrees from harvard himself a business degree and a law degree and three of his sons also have degrees or harvard and i'm thinking you might be regretting his comments right about now because the democratic group american bridge is highlighting that romney donated fifty grand to harvard business school in two thousand and three and having to post took a look at romney's donations and found he has received upwards of fifty six thousand dollars from that harvard faculty he thinks is so horrible and their spouses since two thousand and two so could it be that he is taking the advice of the harvard faculty to do we think romney should probably stop trying to disavow is passed in education for political gain because the cat's out of the bag he should give up on trying to convince the american people that he is the average man

because what americans want is honesty and that is why we are giving tonight's tool time award to mitt romney. all right for me tonight for happy hour is our t.v. . producer jenny churchill and their confidence back is a senior editor at the atlantic i think for being here so a florida teacher this goes along with everything where it happens in florida sorry her name is natalie santa gaga she was fired recently after a video mysteriously surfaced of her and gauging in some questionable activities during school hours to trust shattered after videos of fourth grade teacher natalie santa got a surface that district staff suggest is of drug use and sex acts these actions argue some parents aren't an example to follow. all right guys what do you think

she was fired over that video i mean i was going it wasn't just that video there that wasn't that wasn't a serious part of the video jenny no no no actually there were some slack at sex that's involved it's a really complicated case because what you're talking about here is a woman doing things supposedly legal they say she was smoking marijuana it's also alleges she could have just been smoking cigarettes that she rolled herself but you know having sex with her significant other and they were sent to the school board and she was fired the tricky part is they were posted on you tube where students could have seen her doing these things which leads to kind of an awkward situation in the classroom i don't know what do you think what do you think i think it's a complicated situation for the administrators because in the one hand you know sleeping with your spouse isn't shouldn't be a fireable offense in the us i don't think but on the other hand it's not that complicated to say if you're going to be doing these kind of things and you're a teacher just do them but don't film them yeah i think the film in part is tricky but i think that you shouldn't lose your job for having sex with your spouse even

if there's a video of it the problem is that if it's true that there is footage of her on a day you'll see smoking marijuana that's a tough thing to say there's a teacher and to be fair to her she did pat she did recently take a drug test and she did pass it and they have no proof that that's what she was doing it to me the real issue here is that there is a video of her having sex with someone on youtube and she's a fifth grade teacher. and i'm sorry fifth graders know what sex is ok they know what youtube is they can go watch their teacher have sex on you tube tacky yes take it down probably if you're going to fire prove that those drugs were drugs that's what i have to say and we have to move on so i get final word on that a lot of criticism has formed around school lunches speaking of schools this one is not to do about sex but this has to do with statistics showing how unhealthy school lunches are it's gotten so much attention there's even a reality show about it. i should be suppressed first. you know with more years i've never seen it so you can write but you know what this is just so you think you just say that this is true of america all the front pages about you the press.

which i'm with this from the front with which you eat. ok you heard i mean fries count as a vegetable those people at the school lunch room well now the u.s.d.a. wants to prove that that is wrong they want to ban potatoes from school breakfast aka tater tots and limit them during lunch is also with french fries because studies show that fried potatoes are not healthy and when you think i think i think jamie oliver absolute has his heart in the right place i mean we should want our kids to eat healthy and everyone benefits when you know these kids grow up and they eat healthy and they don't have diabetes that's wonderful there's a reason to go nuclear on this and ban potatoes from schools there's actually lots of there's lots of really it's not they actually want to remove all the taito let's get this right they want to remove all those from practice and limit any potatoes in the lunch to two times a week so what that sounds great that's when you think of all the discomfort there are lots of the really simple ways you can get kids to eat healthy it actually

comes from behavioral economics if there's a study that shows that if you just shine a light on a banana or a piece of fruit right by the place the kids are going. to leave with their lunch tray eating that banana or food has a fifty percent if you put in the salad bar in the middle of the rooms the kids have to walk around did you think that salad bar increases by seventy percent that's a really small minority. really where was that in tested that we know to get here is that we i don't have the kind of backlash the will have it's been stated time how policy don't count them just don't give them tater tots don't give enough let's not give them a mind let's think for them you know it was not mine was not a liar they knew more of you when you went to school what food you eat the lunch that my mother kept if i had our eat this all and i was. well be that that's a lie whatever it is no one that's a lie when i went to school i ate school lunches every single day i would beg my parents please pack my food my friends are still cool to get packed lunches i never

got a packed lunch nothing has to change it nothing has changed in school lunches over the last sixty years however. even because they're not doing anything where it's happening right now are eating their you know they're eating they're eating for longer you name food they're not getting off their butts and getting outside obesity. like they're getting here but they're watching both things were actually true there's absolute proof that kids are getting less exercise today than they were thirty years ago and there's also pretty clear evidence that they're eating much worse foods they were thirty years ago we can solve this thing from both ends i don't i'm just saying if we know that tater tots probably aren't good for kids there are two ways we can try to solve this problem so you try now soledad says it is illegal to serve tater tots a public school that strikes me as a little bit your county and or we can try to find interesting intriguing and innovative ways to get kids to eat more healthy in a way that doesn't invoke the ire of every parent ok yeah i know right and strike that referred to that have to move on i'm so sorry daniel eagan what's that even

yeah that's the problem all right now that's ok speaking of eating at home or school you could have the option to go eat somewhere else instead of jail if you are punished for a crime in alabama you can go to church but alabama town is giving nonviolent offenders that option operation restore our community or rock begins next week but the judge will give mr meter offenders a choice go to jail and pay a fine or go to church every sunday for you. ok so if you go to church you have to check in every week and with the pastor and you know if you you show up every time your case but you got to hear your good deal or completely wrong to have the courts do this. i think it's really complicated i think in this particular area it's a big problem specifically because they don't have any mosques or temples for jewish but i mean it's obviously a christian thing go to church be better which i have an issue with i do however

salute judges who are trying to find creative ways to keep people from jail i don't think just the place and derek we have just a little bit of time that i want you to get your thoughts and i actually i actually pretty much agree with you on this issue i'm like eating to public schools i like the fact that the judge is being created in terms of coming up with punishments that we actually that work on behavior and so actually might have a chance of reforming this guy at the same time skirting this church state board of i go to church as opposed to forcing him to work out of the gym or forcing him to see a psychiatrist do things have nothing to do with the separation of church and state that might have been both innovative and legal right innovative and legal i don't think that this alabama judge it's on the mark i don't know about the church thing but thank you guys for being on happy hour it was interesting debates tonight all right that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in make sure to come back tomorrow alone i will be back looking for you and meantime don't forget to become a fan of the a lot of show on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any of tonight show or any other night you can catch it all on youtube dot com slash field on the show we post all of the interviews as well as the entire show on the site so you

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