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it's time for showing tell on tonight's program now last time we told you about the g.o.p. accusing president obama of engaging in class warfare after he posed with buffett rule so do you think obama is a class warrior or producer patrice's that you can find out what you have to say. we keep hearing how it asians that obama is waging class warfare what does that really mean anything with the word war and it can be good for anyone on either side right i was of course hearing the sound of republicans trying to stir up some votes you know i'm not sure anyone really believes putting up or i guess millionaires is a fair fight. so if you americans look at the warfare label and see something real for the same old political warfare or joe said i think obama should be judged by what he does instead of what he said and based on what he does he is a warrior for the elite many greats obama is definitely waging class warfare on the poor who benefits. in the wars bailouts fewer greed on left less oversight and

a super congress those super rich order said he says he's just playing to the polls that show large majorities favor higher taxes on the rich is just another campaign gimmick what's interesting is that none of your responses seem to take these allegations of class warfare against the wealthy too seriously no one said that this was a step towards socialism maybe it's because average americans realize that raising taxes on the wealthy doesn't amount to a declaration of war and a country i was shrinking and opportunity our tax code is one problem at a many calling it a war just distracts from the central problem that our government doesn't seem willing or able to actually do what it takes to create more jobs. now as always thank you for your responses and here's our next question for you earlier in the show we spoke with radio host sam seder about the occupy wall street protests its expansion now across the country and embers might be small for now but activists and supporters claim that this is just the beginning so what do you think could

this be the beginning of the american spring so to speak you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and you know as a response just let me. now when it comes to the paths we know go do almost anything to catch a person of interest even if they have to do that unconstitutionally in the past we've told you about the f.b.i. placing g.p.s. trackers on the suspects vehicles out of warrant that's an issue that's making its way up through the courts as we speak but what about traveling view using their cell phone we've spoken with security and privacy researchers to pursue going on about how companies like true position and created technology designed to track individuals based on herself and locations. so what they do is the drawer virtual friends around. the military base you know any place of interest and to position software kolo the phone company to spot new devices whenever they enter the virtual promoter. so sure position is a company that sells these tracking devices to other countries and now looks like

similar types of technology are being used right here at home details are emerging about a tracking system used by the feds called sting ray similar to what they're going to scribe but this device acts as if it were a cell phone tower and it intercepts your phone signals using panes so the thing rated herman's the strength of your cell phone signal through sonar technology so your cell phone constantly sends out a signal based on how long it takes for the receptor in this case the sting ray to receive that signal from your cell phone can easily be found or the location of it and the worst part here is that even if you're not using your phone to actually make a phone call the feds can still find out exactly where you are posting to a device is made by a florida based company called harris and up until recently the phones use some devices like these have been kept very hush hush the last three journal reported during a federal case against an alleged hacker and the accused was curious as to how exactly law enforcement tracked him down and in so court the prosecution sought to keep that information off the record and official from the f.b.i. explain that it's considered

a law enforcement sensitive since it's public release could harm long foresman efforts by compromising future use of the equipment for the pads go on to reveal how they operate surprise surprise so now we know how this works is this practice of tracking individuals without a warrant even legal and the feds obviously don't feel the need to use a warrant with a sting ray technology and in the past law enforcement said that this isn't considered wiretapping because it's not actually intercepting any sort of communication had on the cell phone just your location data and the feds used to have to get yourself in a location after obtaining a warrant and then contacting your cell phone company who had this technology they can bypass the warrants and the cell phone providers i just get all the information on their own it's a prank really but i know this really sit very well with me after all of the g.p.s. trackers the feds but on their vehicles are going to have their day in court and this technology tracks are movements in a similar way why would the use of sting rays be any different. now debate over internet and i'll never be it's nothing new but you could say that it's one that we're hearing more and more often especially as we see certain websites newspapers

private companies social networks as we see them changing their rules insisting on users exposing their real names but in order to have a real discussion about the pros and cons of anonymity they have to be critical no matter what side you're on about the way that certain individuals build their tastes so it's not i will look over to gail falcon paul over the washington times this week and that op ed called internet trolls i don't envy and the first amendment now gail argues that anonymity should become a thing of the past and as the internet isn't a church and never has become time to productive even damaging most of those that are hit with false accusations or name calling attacks she also brings it back to people like thomas payne and benjamin franklin who she says have the guts to share their treasonous ideas in person so if you're going to stand up and render a public opinion she thinks that you should reveal your identity and she concludes that all by saying a first amendment guarantees the freedom of speech but not i don't really know where she right vs wrong or to discuss this with me is julian sanchez a research fellow at the cato institute joined thanks so much for being here

tonight so ok let's start with this claim here about the freedom of speech of the first amendment guarantees the preakness but knox and i need to be a that true indeed is that really have anything to do with what we're talking about here no one no you know this is a weirdly doubly wrong thing i mean one the first time doesn't control what private newspapers make their policies on their website so you know they don't have to allow any comments they don't have to live free speech remedy according to the law but also the supreme court has repeatedly told that part of the freedom of speech is a free monogamist speech which means for example the government cannot require a controversial political organization and doubly c.p. is the case where the supreme court ruled on this to disclose its membership that states and localities can't make it illegal to distribute anonymous pamphlets or political literature so so yes just not true the right to speak anonymously is part . speech now obviously a newspaper doesn't have to be the first amendment the government is has to be the first i'm going to paper doesn't but i think it's important to recognize that when

you're talking about the importance of real names to creating more civil online conversations right this is the kind of thing that's very easy to say from a position of privilege so if you're a straight white middle class. citizen of a democracy who has pretty much mainstream views then you know it might seem like you know the biggest problem on the internet is people saying mean things and on this comment forms you know if you are not in that position if you're a survivor of domestic abuse if you're in a country that does not respect freedom of speech is strongly if you have views that your neighbors might want to ask you for or you know were even so you fired for you know then maybe trolls aren't the biggest problem that you're worried about ok so it's a little bit of an elitist argument as we're saying here right as a doctor and perhaps political dissidents or people that like you said are going to use them i need some time before you know to try to express this without some kind of fear that there might be retribution there that someone might come after them

but you know one of the things i wondered who he argues that as the internet has matured you know only when the internet was brand new i don't know but he was ok now the internet is so mature that we just can't handle this anymore but it kind of the opposite as the internet is maturing how do we come up with new ways to perhaps filter through get rid of the trolls or the you know the more civil discourse if that's what you want to call it to to rise above and be at the top of the list so yes absolutely i mean in a way i want to say first that that anonymity in the tsunami in a way or ways of recapturing a kind of practical segmentation or compartmentalization of social spheres we really already enjoy in the real world without recognizing that you know i go out even in a public place and speak with my friends or my family or acquaintances from church or other groups where i get even if i'm in public i expect that i can keep those parts of my life the types of. parts of my personality that i express in those situations separate from each other and that's not true on the internet unless you use different identities literally in each case i mean that you you need to do to

recover something we already enjoy but that's already true we just have to accept at the same time just realize that the real world and internet world are different but i mean in a way i think it's a way of trying to make the real world the internet in a sense more like the real world in that sense but it's also true i think as you say that what we've evolved over time because of this need are a lot of ways to serve the functions of public accountability without necessarily having people exposed to the problem and the upside of anonymity are the same which is that they tend to deter speech that the majority or people who hold power find distasteful or offensive and the question is can you find a way to limit some kinds of offensive or disruptive speech without accountability in the sense of having to expose yourself not just to having your speech frowned upon in that forum but to repercussions in the rest of your life and you know we see this all the time you know people use pseudonyms on e-bay and they're taking people's money you know partly that's because you know e-bay can track you down if

you cheat people but it's also because you have systems of reputation of the same kind websites like slashdot uses and you build up a reputation over time for your suit him you could even have a look at it if you really think real names are that important the internet makes it easy to not have to choose between pseudonyms and real names you can allow people when they look at a comment form to only see comments from people who have signed in using facebook or some other service with their real name you know there are so many just good ways to filter stuff but i you know i read obvious like this you might be fronting for like this from jail if you think that she doesn't really understand what he's talking about i think you're going to talk about i also think that civility is a red herring that was actually going on here and there are a lot of companies including google and facebook but also you know some of these newsmakers they're looking for ways to monetize their readers and it's a lot of the usually do that if you can tie together using a single identity all the different kinds of activities. and gauge it across the internet and also in their real lives where again marketers have to have huge databases out so if you're trying to pitch jabber chargers having someone is

a real name and being able to tie that to all their online activity makes you a much more lucrative partner for advertisers than if you're just here talking to you know wise guy three twenty seven ok so the end of the day perhaps for some people this is more about money than this is philosophical beautiful idea of being still able to regain or i guess maintain our anonymity it's a distinct possibility i think this is a debate ever going to hear a lot more about the route that the next years killing thanks so much for joining us tonight and right. now still to come you don't obama's plotting to take greater guns that conspiracy theory is coming up in tonight's still funny or an unhappy are you trying to find out if your son is gay well there's an app for that plus a rogue trader tells us what like this is really like in the financial world it's not. let's not forget that we have an apartheid regime.

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i did time for tonight's tool time towards not just the n.r.a. is it wayne la pierre away in the executive vice president of the n.r.a. it's very scared of president obama he thinks obama is secretly plotting to take away everyone's guns here in the u.s. and before the emails and online comments start pouring in yes i'm going to defend president obama on this one were very critical of this president's policies on the show those that deserve critique but wayne la pierre's rhetoric on obama and guns totally misses the target now wade was speaking at an event in florida where he began speaking about obama's record bill saying gun owners will say they left it alone the president will give another little talk about how you respects the rights of sportsmen and women while in private he makes fun of good americans who quote cling to their guns or religion but in public. the president will remind us he's put off calls from his own party to renew the old

clinton. he hasn't pushed for new gun control laws now part of what wayne is saying is actually true so this may to the dismay of many democrats obama a little largely absent from the gun debate since being elected in two thousand and eight even after the tragic shooting of congresswoman gabby giffords and eighteen other people in tucson and this county where now the president hasn't waddled into the country or the bay that's why all of that and that he has done just the opposite why well because obama has said over and over again that he supports gun rights and personally i think that he knows it's simply not smart politics but that's not something that are even trying to fire up their core audience by fear mongering that obama really is coming for their guns after all we're moving closer to an election so why not try and sparked fears among gun owners that obama and the democrats are common it's all tarred it's all part of a massive obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to

destroy the second amendment in our country. i was like in their way in your logic this isn't making any sense here because obama hasn't done anything to touch your guns then that can't just be his policy it must be a massive conspiracy really that's what you got you want to make sure the people hate and fear this president so much that you start making up conspiracy theories just because what you originally predicted didn't turn out to be true as you may recall right before obama was sworn in and are a help create a gun buying spree across the us you were scared that obama's going to take away the guns limit the ammo sales so they began buying ammo in bulk and in turn profits for the gun industry shot up now as we all know obama did no such thing he didn't take away anyone's guns all of those fears were completely unfounded so obama loses either way he can even bring up the debate over gun laws because then you scream that is going to take the guns away but that what he doesn't touch anyone's guns it's all a conspiracy it's all part of a larger sinister plan you know for some people

a president simply can't do anything right it doesn't matter what his policies actually are they're just they're just wrong and scary and that's it so if it is baseless attack on obama's record on guns we're going to night school time award to the n r a's here. all right time for happy hour and joining me tonight is our team producer jenny churchill and alex fights wall assistant editor for think progress or some of their is that a new you got a new title i limit i don't know saying of course they know it is will explain to us what an assistant editor means it's number two in command the early rounds ok it's and oh well we we broke the news here on the election period but. ok let's take a look at this everybody was going crazy over this soundbite of this rogue trader that appeared on the b.b.c.

and i'll explain the story afterwards but they went crazy over what he had to say. i don't buy this rescue plan b. basically they know the market is toast they know the stock market is finished the euro stores are very concerned they don't care they're moving the money away to say for us it's personally i've been dreaming of this one for three years i have a confession which is i go to bed every night i dream of another recession i dream another moment like this. ok so he's supposedly speaking very candidly for all stock brokers out there and how they actually think about the world but this start of the controversy because the first time people are saying that perhaps it was all a spoof there was just a guess and then they were playing some kind of prank and people were saying that if you actually did say this is outrageous but if you think about it it probably is how the majority of the stock traders think but it turns out the ending was kind of lame. this is a guy who says that he was just doing it for the attention. at the end of the day

you're just seeking attention so you decide to go for it i actually didn't know that update but that was what i was going to say because i checked out his website and it was strange everything seems to be like contacts me put me on television and you know he's writing things like the top ten stockbroker clues from the world cup . it was all it was all a sham but i mean there is something really interesting about it because it's not like oh he's the first person in the world that said that goldman sachs rules the world or the bankers rule the world but normally those people are you know pushed over to the fringes and there's some kind of crazies or there are super leftists and so here the idea that actual stockbroker was saying this and you know just speak the truth i think really shocked a lot of people but i think there's actually a lot of starters who have similar views that don't really get in the public view very often this guy was an independent trader doesn't work for goldman sachs i work for the big banks there's a lot of people actually out there and i was kind of disappear on this like a bunch of blogs of these kind of and are anti-capitalist traders who make

a lot of money in the capitalist system but don't really believe in the whole thing so in a way this guy was a pro but i think he did speak the truth and he and i think there's other people who share his views yeah he definitely harps on some points there that that make a lot of sense that for some people out there it's just about the money doesn't matter with the economy is like how people are living all over the world just makes the money for the markets or for well anyway it's just been it's been really interesting to monitor the way that this story has unfolded and just how crazy people really went about it here's one that this is just funny ok so there's a store in ocala florida it's an ice cream store and so they park it would be really fun really nice to hire somebody having dressed up as an ice cream cone stand outside and bring because from where is it turns out that the customers have been fading away because they mistake this for a k.k.k. . head dress and so he was actually scaring everyone away that it could have. it's funny. i think it's definitely funny i mean on one hand i'm like it's

terrible that this poor little ice cream store is having you know customers from my brother and it's kind of positive people really hate the k.k.k. that much that they won't even you know drive down the street but usually can't hear oh progress progress but usually don't come with sprinkles and a giant cone of the bottom like pink and yellow. people who are taking this confusion where he was holding a sign in front of the cone part and also they were driving so it was kind of fast i mean this is the exact reason that i've never been a ghost for halloween i mean you just don't know what you're going to get into it gets nasty and also i think that we should say this actually is probably a good thing because it was keeping fat americans from eating ice cream. ok well you know if the end of the day there's no such thing as bad publicity so now everybody knows about this little tiny ice cream shop i'll call a florida and they're k.k.k. ice cream cones you know just put

a cherry on top next to them and clear the confusion exactly just just make it more obvious ok. now ok let's talk about sheriff joe arpaio you actually wrote about this mr assistant out of there i think progress today so there are pile we know him because he you know has been very vocal in arizona especially with the immigration legislation that they had there what did he try to claim to do with everybody that comes in the bans are all and everyone everyone is like a drug dealer and a rape is the might be coming across and that's why it's ok to track everyone's documents at all times and so he was actually interviewed and asked kind of a loaded question answer that is just as ridiculous. the law are you are racist against latinos. who are not going to get to vote you should. go to. show. his opinion i know what i am. what do your grandkids than your daughters have to

do with that i mean the best way to defend yourself against a vicious attack like that is to say i'm not a racist i don't want to get on my person hold somebody i don't know racism is something i do at home and somebody asks you why you're racist in your response is not i'm not a racist you might be a racist. but the shocking thing to me is not that he's like sort of admitting that he's a racist because we all kind of could have guessed that anyway but just how easy it was for him to answer this like maybe we should just ask politicians really obvious loaded questions more often like the character in austin powers you just ask him three times sheriff joe one time and he's like no that's my personal life well also i just want to know i mean does anyone know what his grandchildren and daughter in laws look like are they latino is that what he was saying it's like his daughter in law is actually but you know poke a there was trying to understand that but you're going to claim that he's just kind of rambling any of that do you think i'm not

a very says because my daughter in law is partially latino is what he was saying but he didn't really trying to say i'm totally legit that's like saying like i have a black friends i'm totally not a racist it's the exact thing where you can get there. but i do like your idea about just kind of asking politicians you know interview john mccain why are you a warmonger why do you want to fight everybody bob everyone all over this planet. that you think is having a liar liar moment like his kid wished on a birthday cake but he couldn't tell why and it was just like how do i get around this i can't say i'm racist. but i can say that i do know ok let's move to a new. i mean i know it's for moms to find out i'm assuming it's from mom's or at least the ads when they put out the pictures and stuff it's definitely a woman looking really can be very very very it is nice i'm gay and so there's an app to ask if your son is gay and there's a whole test and there are

a lot of questions out there but we decided to pick just a few of them like just he like to dress up nicely does he pay close attention to his outfits and brand names also does he like team sports then does he like singers does he spend time getting ready before being seen in public and the jury was boring did you wish that you would give girls. i think that was my favorite but this is ridiculous ok so if you like team sports and you automatically aren't gay but if you like diva singers that i'm sure that you are i mean i could've written better questions in this. but who was this was me or that was me but i'll give you all don't like to use what i'm because you're you have to assume what the obvious answer would be or like what point it would give on this well i think the obvious thing to say here is if you have to ask an app on your phone if your son is gay maybe there's a conversation you need to have with your son what it is being logical you think you know that like are you a good mother oh you bought this. you're right you know if you have to question the

go ahead as yourself or you know i think of this does put a little bit of blame on the mom here because before he was born did you wish her to another thing i'm really confused about are they saying that if you wish badly enough that your unborn fetus is a girl and it turns out to be a boy that it will be a feminine boy i'm confused you know i think that it's a you know you're. going to try to dress it up and you know i don't know maybe resent your child because they're not a girl but you can wish away they gave them you know. also i think we should note that obviously the exact opposite answers for all of those questions mean that you're a let's be clear. but just so you know. ok we're going to leave her right there thanks for joining me tonight you guys i think tonight so thanks for tuning in and make sure we come back tomorrow and experience in the run for it's going to back on the show and i mean find out if it's me a fan of you a lot of show on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any of the night's or any other nights and raise capital that you can dot com slash the longer

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