as the headlines up next host talks to miller a dog a man who helped bring peace and stability to bosnia and herzegovina back in the ninety's our interview show spotlight is up next here on out. however you. are. one of the top. to bring peace and stability. but peace is still fresh and separate.

for peace chris. has been the field ground of his country's politics since the very beginning you served as mayor of his hometown in the mean eighty's when bosnia and herzegovina. and after the republic proclaimed independence he founded and headed the opposition movement in the republic of mr mackay's the right of his republic to be independent wide support among his people. and thank you very much for being with. the political representatives of the three peoples. have failed to to to to reach an agreement to form the the bus council of ministers right so is it a political crisis and what's going to happen next. has systemic problems it was

formed as a result of the disintegration of the former yugoslavia based on the dayton agreement designed to settle the relations between the three ethnic communities that formed the republic and in this respect. has proven to be facing a crisis we're living under partial international protectorates of the world community and because of that we've held dozens of elections which were considered to be free and fair by the organization for security and cooperation in europe today this issue ation in bosnia and herzegovina is characterized by a very huge presence of international representatives who are trying to rule and influence the internal processes in the republic because of the fact that a certain political party won the election it has been impossible to reach an agreement on how to form the bodies of power of different mission of the council of ministers has become the main problem and herzegovina the council of ministers is not the government of hosni and herzegovina is an elected body it consists of

representatives of major national and ethnic groups who are supposed to pursue policy in finding a compromise the composition of the council of ministers is an issue that will not be solved for a long time you say that the office of the high representative and also other international representatives as you put it should stay out of the talks on the bus the council of ministers was their role constructive so far. until recently the high representative the interference in her to go in as domestic issues has not been absolutely successful many problems have remained open because of this interference which he massively did in the past in regime bring expected results perhaps the international forces themselves have now come to understand that this kind of interference doesn't lead to solution of problems or contribute to. the situation that is why this practice should be given up that's why we're simply

trying to show what are the other principles that both she and her to governor could be built upon this has resulted in the fact that the process of forming governing bodies is conducted independently can election take place yes of. course but i don't think that it will ever come to this because there's no agreements even in snap or early elections for how will bust in there will be ruled by a foreigner which is the high representative with dictatorial powers. i should say this involvement is decreasing in the past few years have shown that it's not producing any results the main thing now is to decide how one mission which was initially successful in establishing in stabilizing the situation should eventually end its mandate in recent years both here and here to gov has accumulated the problem of correlation of powers between the high representative in the local authorities he pointed the government in the federation in the other part of the country bypassing the parliament moreover he views his powers in the mandate by

massively imposing more than two hundred laws he had no rights in north georgia to do that there was not any un security council resolution to that effect or the so-called authorization from von that would have allowed him to act this way he imposed those laws in even went as far as to change the constitution. all these actions have resulted in the lack of confidence in the high representative today he's only supported by muslim both and political leaders while the buzzing codes and the bosun serbs are absolutely sure that his mandate should end as soon as possible the decision and that should be made by the peace implementation callen so which is supposed to implement the dayton peace agreement today it has also used to summarize to decide on certain issues so i believe the mandate of the high representative in both me and her to governor is going to end very soon are you happy with the current constitution or it's

a governor that was what it designed and tighten is it a workable at all it's clear that we accepted that constitution but we accepted what's written in the dayton agreement but not with some. try to interpret it as the letter and spirit of the tin and therefore try to impose it on us by the military decisions of the high representative the dayton agreement is something that is acceptable for the serbs and the republic of serbska. the provisions of the detainee agreement have been changed and altered many times international representatives have stubbornly changed the basic provisions of that agreement they have changed the political system introduce new institutions and have given powers to both new and herzegovina which it wasn't supposed to have under the dayton agreement and this is creating a problem finally it should be said that the serb republic in bows nea established itself as a tutorial subject of those near and dear to govern it was founded in one thousand nine hundred two as a result of the disintegration of the former yugoslavia undoubtedly and herzegovina

represents a counter process that was going in the territory of the former yugoslavia in those years all the republics of the former yugoslavia were formed in a way that the homogeneous nations who live there got their own states and like them both me and her to govern and had to follow the path of the former yugoslavia it consisted of three constituent ethnic communities and none of them had the majority because of that he and her to govern will continue having problems with regard to international relations it's a deeply divided country the only way it can continue to exist is to find and preserve the balance established by the detainee agreements in strict compliance with its provisions the dayton egremont is an international treaty respect internationally remains but we don't welcome any changes there me to them in violation of established procedures are you considering a constitutional. that will be devolving power to regions in asia which. one ethnic group will be dominant the intention to

change the constitution was caused by the need to create a political system in which both in muslims it would dominate and influence decision making of course this question. in is no longer on the agenda and is not a subject for discussion the question is the future of the key to agreement itself simpy people are calling it into question others say that both me and herzegovina would be unable to survive without it at all we are against handing over more powers to post and herzegovina if that will put the serb republican they both in serbs and those encodes in the minorities at a disadvantage we believe that the principle of equality of all ethnic communities should be observed and protected and the political life in bosnia and herzegovina should develop in this vein if you will be considering a real constitutional reform would you need a permission from the great powers dominating the country now i mean the e.u. and the united states will they allow such

a constitutional reform. until recently all the attempts to change the constitution have been initiated by the americans and the europeans there have been too well known processes known as the april and the book new processes which ended with no results their leaders demonstrated in an constructive approach to finding the solutions they expected to achieve other conditions were unclear and concerned in what way we should continue our development what representatives of this republican both mia said was that they were ready to discuss confusion and changes but couldn't accept the leading role of foreigners in that process it means that neither america nor europe connect as moderators of the contribution of the reform because this process is an internal affair of posner and herzegovina and can only be conducted by the three constituent groups living in it. only this kind of process can be illegitimate we're not ready to police it be in processes which are

so to speak orchestrated by outsiders be the british group in today of or representative of the european commission i think that has been made clear by now no one in both me and here's a governor is trying to take this kind of leadership anymore and in this context we will continue our attempts to search for certain solutions we are not ready to welcome any cardinal amendments to the constitution we want to preserve our autonomy and their rights we consider both new and there's a governor to be a divided country in which an autonomy has more rights than those near and dear to governor and we cannot accept any other both me and her to govern our except this one little bit what. catherine ashton has reassured the bosnian serbs that the e.u. would examine the complaints of this public sort of scar on abuses of justice and you have to go in exchange you counseled the referendum on the status of serbs in bosnia and herzegovina how's the he knew fulfilled its obligations. it's eerie

important that catherine ashton reacted to the situation was serious we had been dissatisfied with their position in bosnia and herzegovina for a long time we're here because we must stay here and not because we want to anyway we're not ready to accept any way lesions of the international peace agreements were both also known as the dayton agreements in the field of justice the rules of obtaining power and handing it over to me and herzegovina have changed greatly that was achieved by the hybrid presented of one loaf impose your decisions i think that you are of has realized that we are determined to fight to the bitter end to eliminate this inconsistency including every friend i'm on the status of this republic in both me and her to govern that's why lady who has a realistic approach understood our reservations you know her stay in banja luka this process is developing it has its dynamics it's not going to be a quick process but in any case today i have every reason to be satisfied with what

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welcome back to spotlight on al gore than just a reminder that my guest on the show today is milord out dubnyk president of the public eye sapsucker despite the disintegration of former yugoslavia the stage of the situation is still very fragile in the region do you think that the process may continue for example could that us want a subset someday think of seceding from boston who has acquired it is this such a possibility. who developments in those in herzegovina are not something in case and concrete everything depends on how they're going to develop at the regional level and on a broader scale. republican has its own government institutions its own territory and its own people in other words it definitely has all the elements to become a state there's no doubt about that the only thing it still lacks is international recognition republican serbska is not

a member of the united nations it is represented there as part of both me and her to govern their processes taking place in both me and her to govern a show that the country is becoming increasingly divided and this division is becoming more apparent. it's not just a matter of territorial division the biggest problem is cultural division division in the way of living and producing things and in all other aspects of life and that creates a certain political situation that's going to influence new solutions in the future it's absolutely clear that both in muslims are less enthusiastic about both me and her to govern and then the used to be in the past this can be seen in the way the council of ministers is being formed person for most they're interested in the composition of power which they can control and which they don't want to share with others and this is creating a new atmosphere they can really result in a possibility that both me and her to govern i may choose a different way of developments in the years and decades to come as for republican

serbska it to continue strengthening its statehood capacities. i have been. a couple of years ago and then people were saying that if you have to govern the joins the e.u. this will improve the relations between the three communities do you believe that this is still true. there is initial agreements about that but when it comes to fulfilling the details of the conditions imposed by the european union all the differences come to light previously. attempts were made to bring the e.u. membership issue into the focus i believe that europe's demands for changing the political system belong in the past the principle of europe which wants to do with those new owners a governor as an interview units doesn't mean you can't intrusion of power in new functions by bo's nia and herzegovina but at this stage this plan can be acceptable for us europe itself is facing great challenges it's clear that you are is concerned with the economic situation in certain countries that will be followed by

certain economic and political pressure. the enthusiasm about the membership which the people in both me and her to governor used to share has definitely gone down by now the people in both in her to govern a more cautious about europe which the previously used to see is an ideal place today it's become clear that europe has many political social and economic problems of its own and its becoming and capable of holding them. you recently said mr president i quote syberia cannot reclaim and reintegrate cost of how that is an illusion cost of a has been snatched by the powerful and the arab and and quote but wasn't the e.u. one of those powerful and arrogant. yes i think the e.u. did demonstrate a certain degree of arrogance and in this question with regard to the serbs in dealing with kosovo they used force to separate kosovo from serbia and violated its territorial integrity of this many position of force continues to the present day

this approach which was initially supported by former us president bill clinton the american administration and some european countries let the situation in which serbia found itself defeated and humiliated serbia and part of its population who formed the opposite side of that success story i generally considered to be bad guys in the balkans who deserve only to be punished thus i clearly said that kosovo was taken away from serbia by arrogance and power who powers and serbia and the serbian keep. should realise that we should also understand that we would be unable to reintegrate kosovo either way military force or by any other means this is something the serbs should definitely understand but with should also bear in mind is that they should never recognize kosovo. will always remain in the focus or political interest not for the purpose of having constant political tensions in that territory but simply for giving an answer to the buy it stance of the west we

separated kosovo from serbia in such a manner the serbs in kosovo need help they should receive regular financial support from serbia serbia should also support all those who decide to leave kosovo and move to live in serbia and help them settle down there instead of having all these illusions that we can do something which in fact should never happen with regard to recognizing kosovo's independence we should never recognize kosovo what's your impression what do you think the serbs in the cost of oil should do if sort of the backs away if it if it abandons its year is diction. north and. how probable is one for example the serbs could leave as they left croatia in one nine hundred ninety. the best possible solution would be to divide kosovo the northern part should reintegrate with serbia while the serbian community they would remain in kosovo should enjoy the protection of the serbian state serve

money stories in kosovo should have an extra territorial status the arrogance of the great powers they continue encouraging kosovo's independence makes a solution impossible however the solution could have been possible and it would help stabilizing the situation in that part of the balkans for a long time. since we don't have the leverage to impose such a solution the only thing we can do is continue our policy of non-recognition of course who is independence we should be ready if necessary to give up our prospects of even membership this european path should not come at our expense when we are supposed to give up everything in return for a few concessions. mr president you are unquestionably following the process of what i do and for a leader do you get a feeling you have a feeling that he is getting a fair trial in the hague. i have heard complaints about the fairness of the trial

in the hague on many occasions many lawyers say the court disregards its own procedures and ignores facts others say the court has different approaches in different criteria when it comes to serbs the serbs are judged much more strictly and received much more serious punishment by those who say that participated in the trials which we cannot but notice all these things but what's clear is that both serbia and this republic in both have fulfilled their commitments to the hague tribunal. none of the fugitives wanted by the hague tribunal is at large now all of them are in the hague or were earlier put on trial we relieved a great responsibility others feel better anyway one thing is clear the hague tribunal. well established in accordance with the dayton agreement we agreed to comply with the decisions of the tribe you know rather and garage which is the first president of the serb republic but undoubtedly in the beginning during the

process of disintegration of former yugoslavia he became the leader of a political party that encouraged the serbs to defend their indigenous status in bosnia and herzegovina i certainly think that was normal of course there should be a personal and individual responsibility who would happen during the war those who face trial can only be personally responsible for crimes in kenya their collective responsibility we can judge how fair the trial is going to be by analyzing the previous trials which were not quite clear how was the arrest of. it by the public opinion in the sky i mean what was the what was the reaction of the street towards his arrest. naturally most people were disappointed with grudges arrest but they realized the necessity of the trial and that sort of action the general feeling of this is faction among the serbian people is caused by the fact that the entire political and military leadership

a republican is supposed to stand trial in the hague however that was not the case with creation or the bosnian muslims by the fact that the also participated in that war and also committed crimes however they were not held responsible for those crimes there is one common and unpleasant feeling among the serbs but there is no equal treatment of those who are party to that war and community crimes let's talk about the palestine and international relations the position of the western powers towards the palestine their unwillingness to recognize the palestinian state looks like devil's double standards and many talk about double standards and western diplomats see but as far as i know you said that you will not allow the boston authorities to. recognize to to to take part in the recognition of the palestinian state why why are you on the side of the united states in this question or maybe this is sort of a and a muslim solidarity with israel or what. this is certainly

a very special question and there's no simple answer to it wissink i think that kelly stand should become an independent state after what has happened there there's no doubt about that so i'm not against an independent palestinian state and for the two communities living in that territory that would be the right solution to form two states we have very good cooperation with israel which has been showing the highest you give understanding for our stance we don't want to lose or partnership with israel and we also want to enable the palestinians to have their own state which will be at this time it turned out that we took the side of the united states but our policy and our any chewed on the palestinian issue or were not based on what the americans think about this issue. we believe that establishing peace in the territory is only possible after all the details have been settled and finalized we're not opposed to palestinian state but we believe that unilateral action of this kind could lead to further destabilization and

threaten peace. thank you thank you very much and i wish you success in your talks in moscow i hope the russian money will help the economy recover thanks a lot and just a reminder that by guest in the studio today was miller out the president of the public and that's it for now from all of us here if you want to have your say and spotlight have someone in while if you think crash into next time drop me a lot at calgary wrong r.t.t. need. and let's keep spotlight interactive we'll be back with more first uncommon fund was going on in and outside russia until then stay in r.t. and take it.

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