internet of an image see all that and much more coming up next. welcome the loner show where i get the real headlines with none of the mercy or three live in washington d.c. that's not going to ask of what this country needs is less democracy that's a future or zags aside it is the only solution to our forever polarized congress just give them less power look at that actually work we're going to hash it out with james then occupy wall street is still going strong and in fact the ranks of

replenish since this past weekend was the mainstream media still completely missing the message here we're going to speak to sam seeder and more on the debate over internet and on a movie one writer argues that the first amendment doesn't guarantee it but is that the wrong approach to a very serious question in our internet age we have all that and more for tonight including a dose of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. arias so i get it we have a presidential election coming up next year so obviously obviously there is a lot of election coverage especially when there are g.o.p. debates and we actually get a glimpse as to how these people compare to one another where they stand on the issues what issues they are completely clueless about like you know foreign policy but anyway some of the coverage is necessary all the time nonstop coverage on non-stories i would say not so take a look at what was all the mainstream media rage this morning. president obama is

in full campaign mode as he wraps up his western swing today though is that out of the race but he is in the spotlight once again we're talking about new jersey governor chris christie plus that the president went to hollywood headlining a fundraiser at the house of blues you know a big speech for christie tonight where the reagan presidential library in california the life of excitement for mitt romney in the lack of ability from rick perry is giving republican donors more reason to plead governor christie to fill the g.o.p. void. our way to even begin to hear let's start off with one basic fact chris christie is not running for president he said a million times and i know that people aren't satisfied with the current candidates out there but he is a really big support group a lot of people that would like to see him give the office of presidency a shot but he's not going to as he keeps repeating but i mean three really just can't help but try to make a story out of it and act like there are new hopes you know it's not happening stop fabricating

a political story just because you have nothing better to talk about i mean really people it's just pathetic then there is the hoopla over president obama's fundraisers in california the clear support that he gets from hollywood because let's face it hollywood is liberal what it comes to getting the support from the tech crowd the industry giants like google and facebook that's where i actually could get interesting but it could get interesting because if they do support him then you can follow the money trail then you can judge his policies the legislation that his administration of holds based on who is and isn't lobbying for it and based on the cozy relationships that he may have but that kind of analysis with the mainstream media and forget about it they just like it because there are a lot of celebrities and there are cameras around and there's something flashy you know that they're on it but here's the greater problem with both of those non-stories and with the obsession over that forget about what pundits want and which ones want chris christie to run which celebrity wants to put his money in obama's pocket what about average americans you know the majority of the population

that doesn't get any of the perks of being a member. of the rich and famous or just plain eerily powerful elite the majority of the populations affected by the policies and not did by this administration and by congress as a whole the fifty million people who are unemployed the middle class that holds the burden of paying more taxes than the wealthy those living in poverty and whose programs are being cut you know there is a serious out of frustration and anger in this country towards washington take the latest gallup poll that shows that a record eighty one percent of americans dislike the government now that's not just the president it's not just one party or the other that is all of government the whole thing that is the biggest story of this election if you ask me americans freaking hate everybody involved in this election that's a story of the mainstream media should be covering instead of focusing on who said what today who held a fundraiser where those are representative of the bigger picture but we all know the corporate media they live in a tiny little bubble the only covers d.c. new york and occasionally hollywood but the rest of it the record breaking

dissatisfaction well that they choose to miss. now speaking of the fact the latest gallup poll shows that eighty one percent of americans really hate their government right now let's look at one proposition to make the government more functional here or is a former office of management and budget chief for the obama administration has written an op ed entitled too much of a good thing why we need less democracy now the title here is clearly a catchy one but what he proposes is a little more nuanced or argues that our congress is paralyzed by gridlock apparels ation that's here to stay and so we could minimize the harm that that causes by relying more on automatic policies the politicized commissions for certain policy decisions what it actually mean that it means expanding automatic stabilisers having a progressive tax code unemployment insurance or linking the payroll tax holiday to

the. rate so or as x. words tax and spending provisions that automatically expand when the economy weakens thereby cushioning the blow and then automatically contract when the economy recovers thereby helping to reduce the deficit he also suggests more backstop rules things that actually take place if congress doesn't act things like the trigger effect built into the recent debt deal and finally he calls for more independent institutions and more commissions but this is approach of putting more power into the hands of even fewer people really sound like a good idea joining me to discuss this is james pulo supposed to the bottom line and reform school on p.j. t.v. james what i thank you so much for joining us tonight and i first want to start with you know what i think is a basic premise of. argument here is he's just saying that he thinks that congress is so incredibly paralyzed right now because of their polarization that's why they're paralyzed they can't act on anything and he thinks that it's here to stay so we have to make some kind of drastic measures we have to enact some kind of

change because that's not going anywhere do you agree with that. well i don't think there's any evidence that supports that contention you know go back a few years and republicans were controlled both branches of congress and then you know it's just in between then and now we've got democrats in control and so these things we're in like a pendulum this is an example of text on a missed usenet lead is the vice president of citi group and he said if i'm not happy with what i'm going to do right no i can't get it done therefore we need to throw away decades perhaps even centuries of political precedent in the country and replace it with the system that favors my outcomes why i had to find out the only one that's arguing about the fact that congress is very polarized right now and you know i think that if you look at social issues if you look at the economy that's definitely where it seems like nothing can ever get done when it comes to budgeting these days you know we've had we've seen the government almost shut down a number of times here i had they kind of just keep what you want to call it kicking the can down the road so we'll just bullshit for a little while until november is to play politics with it but you know

bipartisanship is in a way just as much of a problem as so-called polarization you go back and look at all the murky pieces of legislation that came down the pike in the past decade they tend to be bipartisan plans bipartisanship can cause just as much legislative to function just function in just any bad outcomes from a certain political standpoint as colorization can and so you know i'm not convinced that polarization is the problem number one number two you know if it makes certain things more difficult that's democracy that's representative democracy and number three that's the kind of thing that can change just in a matter of years now and i can think of a number of good examples there when it comes to things that bipartisanship has done that have been detrimental like i don't know a lot of the war is a lot of the defense spending that keeps getting approved how about the patriot act they just came renewing those are always the areas where they seemed to have this bipartisan consensus but let's try to break down some of the ideas here and see if we might like any of those what do you think about the fact that we should have more of these more of these trigger effects the way that we see with our current debt deal that for some action might force some compromise because if congress just

doesn't do anything if they sit around and don't act don't vote and something no matter what something's going to be cut. well you know my concern here in this is something that he brings up with a couple different examples he says look you let the regulators do it and then clerics can opt out by all getting together and blocking the regulation or the president to overturn it that's or it's not it's going to gets in the habit of saying well we're just going to opt out of politics and terribly we're not going to spend any of our time sort of thinking these issues through citizenship is kind of passe you know it's not something we should bother with number one we outsource everything in washington and then number two we kind of turn off will dial in our heads that tells us what it is that we should and shouldn't be thinking about we get in that kind of habit then you know today's responsible regulators could turn into tomorrow's terrorists well so then yeah if we go by his policy of also having worthy of independent institutions are independent commissions you know i one hand we've seen a number of commissions facing the obama administration's deficit reduction

commission that came out with a plan and that just went to put nothing happened with it and sometimes it's a little frustrating because you wish that they might have more teeth english white people actually or people might actually take them into consideration but do we want more supreme courts to use that argument as well in his piece here saying that the supreme court nine people that's a good example of a another one of these commissions do we want more of small elite groups that are making all the decisions and they're seen as yours since it's hard to know where to start the supreme court is it is a branch of government that you find in the constitution right regulators or not a branch of government that you know exists in the constitution that you have constitutional authority congress can delegate away certain things because portions from what you want congress to delegate away just because a certain sitting congress isn't getting the job done as far as i'm concerned as far as you're concerned does it mean that we should rip into the close to shoals here weeds and start tearing up whatever it is that we find one point that i think bears serious emphasis here is you know when he's talking about blocking legislation in utah you want

a president you're signing away whatever it is the regulators do on the premise here and he says the bit at the beginning of the piece is all virtually all clueless agree that we need much bigger deficits in the short term and much smaller ones into. number one that rules out shyly significant minority of muslims who have different sort of operating the number two it means out the possibility which i think is more the possibility that your second self is operating under basic political principles right has a political idea about what makes for the kind of courage you should give it is a political idea about what kind of parents produces the right kind of future change to political ideas about which people should suffer during bad times and to pretend that he doesn't pretend that this is just a scientific consensus right goes farther than any suppose it's only to the consensus that people are always criticising from the right when it comes to something like climate change if you think that is a question will scientific consensus that you should really look at the second on stuff because at the end of the day that matters even more to our day to day lives

than whether or not certain environments are regulations. now you're definitely right there peter has a political agenda he makes it very clear as to what he thinks the economic policies are that need to take place here but one of the things he also says he's not doing this you know supposedly he isn't coming up with these ideas in advocating for a less democracy because he just feels so inspired by the a solutions but because he feels so frustrated it's like you want to bang your head against a wall and just try to come up with any solution you know or try to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks do you think that that's a good way to legislate i mean is that is that irrational to try to change the system in that sense or sometimes out of frustration do we see the most meaningful change revolution or perhaps. i suppose it was coming from the from the bottom up you see meaningful change born of frustration but when it comes from the top down it's usually elites frustrated that they're not getting their way and so as you know as or so you know suggest with a straight face is well we should just do an end run around democracy we should do an end run around citizenship and run around the constitution we should set up sort

of a kernel government is run by elites who are trustworthy right today it might be you mr or say it's mario it might be the appointee of your political enemy right there's that more you dig the more politics you find is politics all the way down he wants to. not to mention i think that mr assad must have missed this latest gallup poll or the latest polls that we've seen over the last six eight months maybe even a year americans already feel like there isn't a lead to a group of people that run this country that's why eighty one percent of them disapprove of washington as a whole of their government as a whole both parties congress and the presidency and yet here he is suggesting quite the opposite so i guess maybe we could say it's just a little bit of poor timing you know in his case to try to come up with these types of ideas because i don't think that any you know insults tend to pretend that it's only conservatives or some faction of the right is responsible for things that if only we got these mean old nasty ignorant conservative knuckle draggers amzi way then we could assure ourselves into this utopian regulation it really could take

it's ridiculous independents democrats everyone's fed up that it doesn't work once listening device credit is president citi group. all right james thanks so much for joining us tonight everybody is at fault i have with you there thank you. still to come tonight the teen republicans wage war on women's reproductive rights this year but one state could be taking it even farther than everyone else for you to give the details when we return and while the mainstream media continues to mis understand the occupy wall street protests we'll have an update on the cause that's spreading across the country back in just a moment. really

believe something. from. the future however. well the extreme nationwide movement to invade women's rights has hit yet another state planned parenthood has been a pretty easy target on the federal level but groups across the country been working to enact laws to stop women from seeking abortions on a state level finding states to be an easier battleground a fight and win now one of the worst into the instances of anti-abortion legislation comes from the state of mississippi this november the personhood amendment is going to be on the ballot there now this amendment is going to change the definition of personhood from beginning at birth to starting at the moment of fertilization so just let that sink in for a second the moment of fertilization how do you know when that happens now if it passes it's going to make all abortions in this state

a legal including those instances of rape or instance incest and many are already questioning if the wording of this bill would have an effect on birth control and in vitro fertilization as well mississippi as a state is already extremely hostile to women's reproductive rights for example there's only one planned parenthood in the entire state for the campaign to pass this personhood amendment a ballot question twenty six has a moving across the state for months check out this clip from a local c.b.s. affiliate. the key to. the person who did them which is number twenty six on the ballot this fall the amendment decides who person is a human being absolutely zation abortion is based on one big lie it's not a person in a picture is worth a thousand years. now the bills game celebrity support from the american family association mike huckabee and even brett farve wife however it's actually the brainchild of fringe activists lez riley has passed affiliations reported on by mother jones so he spearheaded the campaign called the conceived in rape tour which

sounds insane but is about as extreme as other causes from the past riley has been a member of league of south an organization in favor of the south seceding and becoming its own country built on biblical law he was also a blogger for a christian exodus a group that wanted to form a christian nation after america's lack of morality killed the empire so now they have a glimpse into this man's history the fact that he's gone as far as he has with this ballot measure is quite frankly very scary and other states we were appalled when there was a talk of forcing women to view altar cells listen to heartbeats of forgetting abortion but here mississippi is actually proposing that any type of fertilized egg in a female no matter what the circumstance is protected under law die for one hope the personhood amendment doesn't see the light of day but only time is going to tell if the people of mississippi feel the same way. well the occupy wall street protest began on september seventeenth keep going this weekend hundreds more joined the movement some reports saying it was up to one thousand people and this weekend we also saw more than eighty people get arrested as well as the disturbing images of

the n.y.p.d. getting violent in the case of one officer vicious after video appeared of him walking up to a group of women who are out pepper spraying them and then walking away the the. the i'm the boss. the you. and once the interactions between protesters and police heated up we finally saw the mainstream media begin to pay the movement any attention famous faces like michael moore and chris hedges also stopped by to pledge their support and now activists in cities across the u.s. are also joining in starting small movements where they are how much longer do we think is going to continue and what's the view like from the place of the protest earlier i caught up with sam cedar host of the majority report out majority f.n. and co-host of ring of fire and he was there today in zuccotti park so i first

asked him to tell us what the scene was like how many people and what the loot is like after all the arrests that happened this weekend. yeah it's pretty amazing actually there were hundreds of hundreds of people there who were part of the protest and hundreds more who were just checking out the protest and the mood is actually really great people are very excited when i was down there susan sarandon stopped by last night is you know well you may know i'm michael moore was was in the park and there's a real sense that they're actually getting better at what they're doing they're they're getting more organized they're getting their message out and. the way they seem very determined to be there for the long haul what do you think of their getting their message out you know this is a moment that we've been covering here on our show since the first day that it started i know that you've been talking about of the mainstream media not so much but of course after we saw violence we saw police the typical you know if i believe

that leads scenario then and now sadly the mainstream media is all over the story but i still feel like a lot of the coverage is based on the protesters their interaction with their clashes with the cops less so than the message yeah i mean you know in many ways this is sort of something that's very difficult for the corporate media to cover because they don't have a singular message as of yet i mean they're they're organizing and they're developing a process in which to to present one but i mean let's be honest if they had specific demands they would be ignored anyway and i think the real message that's coming out of this park is that there are a lot of people who are really upset with what's going on in this country in terms of the financial industry in terms of the accountability for them in terms of money in this country having an inordinate amount of political power and these people are expressing that they've had enough and so for a lot of these people that i spoke to the deprived assess of our governance is what

is really at the heart of the matter and that doesn't make for a very. a good bumper sticker and so i think the media is has a has trouble both grasping what's going on there because there is no ready made prepackaged message for them and frankly i think they also they just discount the relevance of hundreds of people sleeping out in thousands of people protest well i wonder if it's because the media is just too connected with those people that are so far removed from i guess you could say the general population is because we do see a lot of populist anger right now towards washington towards wall street and yet at the same time i'm going to play you a clip here new york mayor michael bloomberg from on meet the press this weekend we got a totally different perspective and he by the way originally started out by saying that new york would be open to these protesters they have the freedom of speech but then when it comes to actual policy making wall street pay listen to what he had to

say. well nobody has any confidence if you're a bank and you have money would you make a loan when people are talking about putting you in jail for what happened to the mortgage crisis three four years ago you hunker down. have a guy argue with me care yeah that's stunning i mean it really is stunning i mean i don't know what it did to first of all what banker responds to a business environment by what people are saying about them i mean that's just it's ludicrous the child knows it's not the way that there's this works the reason why the banks aren't loaning money is because a we don't have enough aggregate demand in the country to be there sitting on a ton of cash because they expect things to get worse and they think that's going to be helpful and and look they're they're going out there are we still the we still see the same type of mortgage fraud that has been taking place we still see the robo signing so you know michael bloomberg is really just carrying water for

the talk or see in this country and to a large extent that's what people are protesting down in what they call liberty square in they may not be as. studied and researched and know what they're naming necessarily but they know there's a real problem and i think bloomberg there you know unwittingly described it i mean the notion that these institutions which caused the financial meltdown are their feelings are hurt and that's why they're not loaning money is ludicrous. yeah their feelings are hurt they have this fake sense of fear as to possible prosecution which as i don't know where that's coming from because washington definitely isn't pushing in that direction and you know one of the things too is that we've seen this spread through other cities across the u.s. other cities are now trying to join in this occupy wall street movement with small protest going on here and there and one of the critiques that i've heard is that you know maybe they thought too big with this protest maybe they should have started small started local somewhere where they could actually have disrupted the

happenings rather than just automatically going to walk free or let's face it you just get carted off in a park what do you think about that well look you know. we went out there to check out the scene last friday and there were more people here on tuesday than there were on friday and so i'm not convinced that you can you can actually right the the real analysis of what's happening yes i think it's growing and. you know listen c.n.n. and c.n.n. dot com last week had a story that they were following and they were covering a whole bunch of tea partiers who are meeting and this is not a joke we're meeting in a denny's in florida to come up with their own super committee now i'm sorry if a bunch of tea partiers are organizing in a denny's presumably not going to stay over night probably just for the books they

or whatever it is maybe lunch warrants coverage then certainly what's going on down there does and you know when i spoke to these people there was not one of them that suggested they were going to leak and so on i'm thoroughly convinced that we're just at the beginning of this not not the end. why and that's what a lot of people you know are starting to say to including michael moore including chris had as we all came down and participated this weekend we're going to see a lot of people here in washington october sixth now lastly you know we saw a lot of i guess you could say violence we saw one cop this weekend who pepper sprayed a group of women that were corralled and i know it doesn't represent all of the n.y.p.d. but this happens to be one cop a tad civil rights lawsuits or has been you know the target of them before in the past so how does that one seed reflect on the entire force out there after this weekend well you know i don't know i don't more important than just the one individual who was a supervisor in from everything that i've been hearing. the the the the the cops on

the street the blue guys wearing the blue shirt the women wearing the blue shirt to me while i was down there broadcasting this afternoon we saw a couple cops who were just walking through taking pictures with people they wanted to get a glimpse of those susan sarandon they were talking to the protesters the protesters have pretty good relations with a lot of these cops because got to remember you know a lot of these cops their houses in foreclosure in new york state around the country cops is pensions are under pressure and so i think you know a lot of this was coming more from supervisor and so i don't i don't know how this reflects on the n.y.p.d. as a whole but clearly the message needs to be sent out in the upper and that level management of the police department you've got to control yourselves because people see in that video it's fairly clear that there was no provocation for using. our family to thank you so much for joining us tonight. my pleasure. now we return

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