it's the same diseases with. what's been trying. to teach be gender age or. where did it take. twelve thirty pm in moscow these iraqi headlines thousands of greeks unite in angry protest after the government passes another round of austerity cuts individual looming economic disaster this comes after the greek prime minister held talks with the german chancellor and to try in a store confidence that option's is on the right track. for nato peacekeepers in kosovo have injured seven serbs in clashes at the border area you know why and says he used rubber bullets but a local news agency claims live rounds were fired as released x. rays which it says show the gunshot wounds of. the international community slams

israel's decision to build new settlements on occupied territory palestinian save israeli rules out any chance of bilateral stops with the u.k. and other western countries still involved in the libyan conflict are a prominent british journalist what he thinks of his nation's role of the intervention simon jenkins is a guest in today's interview stay with us. i'm joined by simon jenkins author and journalist who now writes for the guardian newspaper some like to speak to r.t. now you've written extensively criticizing the way the intervention in the me is being handled what was wrong with it was it one to begin with or do you view of course during the process there's only thing wrong with the way we've handled i just the nature of taking both in the first place. i do not believe it's over in states have a legal right or an obligation or

a duty to interfere in other sovereign states is written into the united nations charter this is not a country that threatened britain didn't threaten any of its neighbors and invaded and a neighbor was going about its own business and you got a revolution it was its own business so you think the original just vacation and preventing a massacre in benghazi was that not entirely true that i was sure last two days with fundamentals you know starting to happen all over the world. the excuse that there might have been something nasty about to happen the justification for invading turkey invading a country and bombing its capital which i find quite extraordinary it's a it's a it's a noble concept. clearly there were other interests in play in libya of the oil on . the mediterranean and we would like to screen people i mean all the kind of things you get why would i be foreign policy. there was no justification for it except the theory that there would have been a massacre had been organised in benghazi those old syrian mites and things like

links to oil contracts that are now being fought over you know more important then than say preventing loss of human life well i mean if we are going to go in wherever there's a possible loss of human life we're going to go invading countries all over the world all the time i'm assuming i wouldn't get more than a senior guy to go no don't mix motives and all these interventions we turned into being fathers are looking like when you know taking more i think you tend to really think that you're being conned. it's where we have some interest in this critical that we tend to intervene where we think i think. almost quickly laurie to be hired as the place we're going to run from. was the case for there always mixed motives but here we always need to examine all motives and and also saw the simple question are we going to do good rather than harm in this case you seem to have done good but that was by no means currency the fact of the matter was it was not our country has gone to plan and this is the clearly thought they were going to get quick laurie had lost a bit longer than they thought but some of the yes is it well i mean i think they

came close to panicking i mean they thought bombers could do the trick almost never do the trick they said they would do the trick in baghdad they didn't they said to do the trick in belgrade they didn't bomb was never do the trick after a few months of it clearly not working because i just couldn't grab one of the federally ground troops and special forces went in all the other places they did what i think probably should on the very beginning which say that we want this one over quickly it will be over quickly if we're going to be ground troops as was the case in kosovo. and eventually after six months they didn't when it was no good pretending this was gone by the libyans and done by western force and britain's role in this as you just mentioned they have special forces on the ground and we haven't know the full extent of that because it wasn't even legitimate in the first place was it i mean we wrote the un resolution is concerned i mean we just was in charge of doing that we we decided to do it and we felt the reason for doing that we decided that we're going to be in that room when girls even decide to be un resolution written

a certain way we claim to be going in to protect civilians will be in the moment. i mean all the things that we've done we've done with the intention of justifying the can retrieve of the libya. i'm assuming that will make much more over time because all the special forces will start writing their memoirs as they always do the mission creep was seeing here was it planned do you think or is it just an inevitable unavoidable consequence that in. eventually i think it's a very difficult question missionary. invariably when it happens in a great case was it was and was imposed or people say at the beginning we were going to let this happen we are only going into a generic terror and relief would have required me in this case who were only going in to save the symptoms of being gone from pretty quick and that's a. little pretty unpleasant for a person. but at the back of everyone's mouth and why the on the so reluctant. is the knowledge that mission creep always happens you cannot control the situation on

the ground that. you could have compared to the worst because the worst is what usually happens when i listen to it it was looking a real mess and there were very rare and very unequal special forces surrounding tripoli. didn't just get lucky even though you've made for them using helicopters they would be using british weapons to crash through walls and everything in the air and we did what we probably should go to the beginning which would make sure we would not going to lose when david cameron and nicolas sarkozy visited tripoli recently they were given a hero's welcome people cheering chanting their names wanted to shake their hands saying it was all good for them or that something they wanted and expected i think just totally all judged i mean it was clearly a triumph. very soon to the from the boot when the in the civil law. you can't pretend it will come from political strong harmful reviews or through back to prime ministers going to a foreign country removing good cheer and i thought it was unnecessary and

tasteless and of course weakens the authority of the of the domestic governor with this particular juncture should've been at least in a larger present themselves as being the victors abundantly clear this is the british and french victory and that's what the visit was designed to signal and what does that mean now does that give them more responsibility than we might not be able to meet i think it does i think the british and the french not a very strong possibility to make absolutely sure this does. not fail that may well mean sending in troops when you invade a country you caught and then say we've done our job we're going to go because people look to you to continue the revolution that you started when you. i just don't see how we can abandon would be if if i was at least possible possibly improbable i think it breaks out what about gadaffi david cameron since i'm washing his hands of that is she saying his fate is in the hands of the n t c is that shirking responsibility i'm assuming that british and french was and are trying to

find good afternoon certainly i mean i can't see the point of not finishing the job you know we claim just to serve as a no fly zone over the joke. i just it just seems to me that if you're going to attack a country in this way you must at least finish it and then you own the country and the really difficult thing is to transfer power from yourself as the powerful authority to the local people and i think we're going to have a very difficult all sort of message does this send them out that they're now kind of controlling this in this colony and colonial way. but. the message it sends out is provided you make enough stink in a country then britain and france not come along and hope you revolution happen in kosovo after bosnia abundantly clear what happened there are a bunch of gangsters who were running also in fiction we said you know we're being massacred by the serbs are certainly true come and save us we were in to save them and to create a new country and we partitioned yugoslavia i mean the message is the west is

effectively a mercenary army for any rebel group i think has the making of a stink about it and i just think it's dangerous to world peace how different is this really from iraq or afghanistan previous interventions i mean they say they've learned their lessons have been well know a bit the only lesson i drove many of these is don't do it they haven't learned that lesson and they're clearly going to start looking for another one i mean i imagine there's going to some trouble in syria i don't know what they're going to do with iran is a you do not invade iran in the struggle mind it's a huge country iraq with a pretty big country and we found it very difficult of afghanistan at least it's small but we're getting a bloody nose but. i mean i guess the lesson of libya is it a really small country might get away with it nato are applauding themselves this is the model of a successful intervention why is this not happening in syria and yemen and. i think the reason is that they've always be a good idea and it worked. it was easy to do that you could run it from aircraft

carriers and bases on the road so it was a doable integrals and you could put in social forces quite easy you got to leave people noticing and i just think it would be it came along at a time when i was couldn't realize why didn't do burma when the famine was on the very good example when we. took the forces available this isn't even there to do it and everything. i mean i think these things are completely random and it's difficult to see how you. during a foreign policy based upon these random interventions as the nature of what is it to do with nature you know it is an overt wrenching alliance against the russians it is i repeat it's like a mercenary force roaming the world looking for things to do completely stuck in afghanistan he may yet get stuck in libya can intervention work that the principle works really works i don't mean to topple saddam hussein. but punish the taliban

and topple gadhafi works how should they something handle house in libya and don't think i just a little thing we've left syria or bahrain alone left let yemen alone right libya is this not turning your back on oppressive regimes killing civilians why you two was you were back there in the first place i mean what i don't understand the argument may. be turning our back on somalia but i mean are we turning our back on to be turn our back on the congo and congo in somalia far worse than libya now when the going was screaming wildly attacking the congress and in somalia i'm afraid is because they're black. well i think you will see that in the variation in the way racial bias operation for some reason we've got information on top of that going into the third well being grady. hospital for your question and the information it gives out to the world is

a western of highly cost insulated is interested in or it'll help you if you're if you look as if you're in with a chance of going to if you're not and as for the rest of africa go ahead what does this mean now for the arab spring does this intervention reinforce it or undermine it i did it is for what is the arab spring i mean the arab spring was missed was a number of rebellions most of which were suppressed. to north korea which you got away with was from your general spring moon. could well be that the growing oppressive world from profiting from their governments would through for truth in the end to topple the i just don't know all i know is it's not my responsibility there is no british empire anymore you know we are not charged by the electorate or why the world or girl round invading other people's countries we don't like their regimes and it's just not our job simon jenkins thank you.

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up next with iran stay with us. hello and welcome to the sport on r c coming to you live from moscow with me wrong cause for a first the headlines. the army men disarmed says come back from two goals down but still lose the entire after a five goal european cup killer in moscow. inspiration from paralympians and annual awards ceremony has been held in the russian capsule honoring athletes and others trying to overcome serious illnesses. downside russia's rockets even enjoy a day off from talking scrums and tactics at the world cup testing their mettle i think his bench of cork in new zealand. one of the biggest nights of the russian football year has ended in a disappointment for the home side says come also going down so it's out in giants

in serbia land in their second champions league group match of the season it was a lucille and john paul had seen people who had the deserts to deal out after only twenty three minutes but says god didn't lie down first for g.'s in the deficit on the stroke of half time through. before grabbing a deserved equaliser seven to seven minutes and from back in our loft but it was answered who would have the final say to strike eleven minutes probably so i'm turning to the middle and then their first win of the campaign. which usually comes from stuart it was emotional and it was to blow them through really so ridiculous it would make so much effort to come back from studio shows but if we consider it we're going to have much time left but nevertheless on them it's just stage another storm with a goalie from schools in which i know there are strong and the correct there because at the end of the match also. they control the match. that i spoke of me to my players and said make our food because i want to be and we have told

suffer. the other matches will be between that search your side traffic on spoiler and little from france and if you know one one draw at first now it's off the group of four points inter milan polo with three third after two draws and says car last with just one points. in group eight barn unique are now two for two after their latest haul when against naturists or city while not but he claimed their first win in the campaign and sit seconds of the german side will yet ryall our last with north points and all goals. see basel three three home draw against english giants manchester united moved to the swiss seems so the thought of group c. with four points along with ben who won their first match against romanian outfit also will. be front of a man myself before i really glad with three street and look at it in a positive way and i think it's a great result if there are good drugs and as a coach it's a highlight for me to come here it's rare that i've been to clubs like manchester

united or like this real barcelona as a coach i'm very prince by my team's performance here i suppose many ways it's. so welcome to european to go with them you know because we're going to extend that for most parts of the game i thought. but. it was a come to a fantastic game when agreeing to the game excitement. group d. matches the wraps up the cheesy action in the champions league where leon moved up to second place after a home win against. and real madrid have a hundred percent record so far in this tournament with the dutch side i accept their latest victims. the second game week of the champions league group stages continues with teams from group eat through to h.q. can off on wednesday evening in europe russian champions is needs are hosting europa league winners porto in the days earned its high now despite missing a few key players including the former of course the captain bruno alves who was

suspended for this match which on a scale that his men are feeling confidence after a successful recent domestic run that propelled them to the top of the russian premier league that means is in last a minute from cyprus in their opening game it seems like a distant memory right now however another defeat was seriously damaged the st petersburg side chances of progressing to the next stage or aside from a great achievement which is made in this history that you produced a lot of very strong players liverpool football quite a lot of strong images through and it says a lot about the strength of the club but it's well organized and has great traditions. the portuguese side saw group g. at the moment and will be hoping to extend their lead with another win that's just a show that's russia is a happy hunting ground for porto as the club's four previous trips to the country all ended in triumph however none of those wins were against zanies who are known for their stronghold records. as

a new. schools need as one of the strongest teams in europe it's enough to see the group al the sri used to play now it's the no please everyone knows danny who plays no national team looks on their careers are cool views a well known feel loyalty and luciano smile a t. is a manager who's well known in europe and around the world. meanwhile a range champions barcelona are preparing to be the belarus side but who are enjoying their second ever appearance at the third amidst the castle on powerhouse starts of their title defense a fortnight ago but only gained a points from their whole past with milat however the belarus champions game against the czech side pulls then on the first match they also ended with a droll meeting all fourteen's art side with the points at peace in the standings. elsewhere to experience champions league outfits chelsea and valencia prepared to go head to head at then the solid english side league group even after beating by your liver comes in to nail it with a lengthy looking for a win after

a drawing their opening game against bill james gang chelsea midfielder juan mata adds to the game's intrigue after completing he's moved from earlier this year. over to paralympic news now where the third. national award ceremony took place in moscow on tuesday the event names after the famous russian jim that's who was badly injured during competition in one thousand eighty one of the major awards going to four times paralympic champion russian. people although it wasn't only paralympians who's shown at the ceremony today amazing but so early it was been suffering it was a muscle disorder since he was born showing that serious illness can be overcome by the canadian showing off the same dance that he performed at the one to ten winter paralympics opening ceremony. eight years ago i wasn't even. six years ago like it only take three steps today i'm thinking.

thanks let's move to the rugby world cup and new zealand where russia's final match of that sort of takes place on saturday against australia the players using that downtime to fitz and an adrenaline packs outs are known in iraq as a rule our correspondent richard long late went along and was let's say a reluctant purchase guns as well. it's been a tough day the world cup or the russians but they will find be given a chance to lead and down a blue collar bench on the road to ruin. jumping off a forty forty four might not be everyone's idea of fun but it certainly was for decent looking at age. twenty year old completed one lifelong ambition recently was going to try on his world cup debut for the moment because next native also want to

soak history first bungee jump however we know it wasn't the old one once again reaction is to look back to see our team if he truly is keen to free himself all from i don't go to the heights on the northampton saints player said it was a fantastic frail. bustle it's also out of i've dreamt of this there's a while before and this is a dream come true hopefully i'll have an oscar strength to go to the budget deficit . the play is my kids and i can still find my time trying time. even though some of the roughest challenges seem more interested in getting better acquainted with the local animal population . england recently got run be criticised for doing similar been trying to tease the russian coach can see jones couldn't have been more different in his approach saying it was

a wonderful distraction for the players oh i think it's important you know we've worked hard for last. hundred twenty days and they need to refresh recharge now. well she's more technical things we can work on the thing is going to carry a sure make it part of the performance which surely has everybody refresh mentally physically and you know the mental thing mental rest and change from coaching is getting coaching training every day is important of course discipline testing breaking the russian players to make great use of their free time well many of whom tried activities like this for the first time in their lives but there was no way even our teams correspondent was going to get away scot free. or the top. right corner america. so when i am forty metres on their. own say. i managed to live to tell the tale just

abides by. if i didn't prove to be handling money fine frill seeking experience but not. the russian favorite it's all good this ought to give it a try as well. russian oversight on company that's got to go. russia will not need to nelson on wednesday i had a bet on a world cup gain control to finish but then on saturday table saw me have fantastic memories. rajam growth rates on it's a road through. richard's new zealand adventures last many many more stories are available on our you tube channel at r.t.s. for news thanks for watching these are.

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