the u.k. and other western countries still very much involved in the libyan conflict one of britain's leading newspaper columnist tells us why nations like his pick and choose where to deploy humanitarian help interviews coming up. i'm joined by simon jenkins author and journalist who now writes for the guardian newspaper some like to speak to r.t. now even extensively criticizing the way the intervention in libya is being handled what was wrong with it was it wrong to begin with of course during the process yes anything wrong with the way it was handled i just didn't have taken place in the first place. i do not believe that sovereign states have a legal right or an obligation or a duty to interfere in other sovereign states as written into the united nations charter this is not a country that threaten britain didn't threaten any of its neighbors and invaded in a neighbor it was going about its own business which is not a revolution it was. said you think the original justification preventing

a massacre in benghazi was that not entirely true that i'm sure lost to things with random bengazi nasty things happen all over the world. the excuse that there might have been something nasty about to happen the justification for invading taking invading a country and bombing its capital is i find quite extraordinary it's an it's a noble concept of clearly there were other interests in play in libya there was the oil and people close to the mediterranean they were lighter skinned people i mean all the kind of things you can't live by british foreign policy applied there was no justification for it except the theory that there would have been a massacre had we not gone in benghazi those all teary motives things like links to oil contracts that are now being forced you know more important then than say preventing loss of human life well i mean if we if we're going to go in wherever there's a possible loss of human life we're going to go invading countries all over the world all the time i'm assuming more than assuming i think i know there are mixed

motives in always interventions we tend to intervene in countries where we think we might win you know moral attitude we tend to really be interesting countries were. we have some interest in the spiritual but we tend to intervene where we think i think there's almost quit glory to be had as was the case i think in iraq and clearly was the case here there are always mixed messages but i think we always need to examine almost as an office of the simple question are we going to do good rather than harm in this case it seems we've done good but that was by no means guaranteed the fact of the matter was it was not our country has gone to plan and this clearly they thought they were going to get quick lawry did last a bit longer than they thought but some of the yet as well i mean they came close to panicking i mean they thought bombers could do the trick bombs can never do the trick they said they would do the trick in baghdad they didn't they said do the trick and belgrade they didn't bomb was never do the trick after a few months of it clearly not working they decided to put in grout what is

effectively ground troops and special forces went in all over the place they did what i think probably they should have done the very beginning which say that we want this one over quickly it would be over quickly if we go in with ground troops as was the case in kosovo and eventually after six months they did indeed when there's no good pretending this was done by the libyans it was done by western forces britain's role in this as you just mentioned they had special forces on the ground and we even know the full extent of that because it wasn't even legitimate in the first place was it well i mean we wrote the un resolution is concerned i mean we this is entirely are doing and we we decided to do it then we found reasons for doing it we decided that we're going to be a massacre in benghazi we decided we need a un resolution written a certain way we claim to be going to protect civilians will be ended up bombing. i mean all the things that were done with done with the intention of justifying a pretty stringent within the law of libya. i'm assuming that will make much more

over time because all the special forces will start writing their memoirs as they always do the mission creep was seeing here was it planned do you think or is it just an inevitable unavoidable consequence of into. i think it's a very difficult question mission creep. invariably when it happens in the great cases it was in boudin balls now people say at the beginning we we won't let this happen we are only going into a humanitarian relief would have been might be in this case we were only going in to save the citizens of benghazi from what came to be a huge mazurka that would have been a pretty unpleasant things a question about that. but at the back of everyone's mark the you why the army was so reluctant is the knowledge that mission creep always happens and you cannot control the situation on the ground you don't know what's going on you've got to be prepared for the worst because the worst is what usually happens now in this case it was looking a real mess and all the very air and the very end you got special forces surrounding tripoli they didn't just get lucky even though they used may fourth of

using helicopters they were using british weapons to bash through walls and everything in the end we did what we probably should go to the beginning which would make sure we would not going to lose when david cameron and nicolas sarkozy visited tripoli recently they were given a hero's welcome people cheering chanting then lang's wanted to shake their hands saying it was all good for them all that something they wanted and expected i think just totally ill judged i mean it was clearly a triumph. very soon to have a triumphant visit when the in the midst of a lot of. you can't pretend it wasn't from football strive for rubies or to batter the prime minister is going to a foreign country when you do and get cheered i thought it was unnecessary and tasteless and of course weakens the authority of the of the domestic governor who at this particular juncture should've and at least been allowed to present themselves as being the victors it is abundantly clear this was a british french victory and that's what the visit was designed to signify and what

does that mean now does that give them a responsibility they might not be able to meet i think it does i think the british and the french now have a very strong responsibility to make absolutely sure this does not. fail that may well mean sending in troops when you invade a country you can't then say we've done our job we're going to go because people look to you to continue the revolution that you started or you. i just don't see how we can abandon the if if as is at least possible possibly improbable unlikely breaks out what about gadhafi david cameron since we washing his hands of that is she saying his fate is in the hands of the n t c is that shirking responsibility i'm assuming that british and french forces are not trying to find gadhafi inserting i mean i can't see the point of not finishing the job you know we claim just two subs and no fly zone was a joke. i just it just seems to me that if you're going to attack a country in this way you must at least finish it and then you end the country and

the really difficult thing is to transfer power from yourself as the powerful authority to the local people and i think we're going to find that very difficult more sort of message does this send down then our kind of controlling this and it's going to need to lineal way. well we the message it sends out is provided you make enough stink in a country then britain and france might come along and help the revolution that happened in kosovo off to bosnia it was abundantly clear what happened but a bunch of gangsters who were running kosovo effectively said you know we're being massacred by the new true come and save us we went and saved them and to create a new country we partitioned yugoslavia i mean the message is the west is effectively mercenary army for any rebel group that cares to make enough of a stink about it and i just think that's dangerous to world peace how different is this really from iraq afghanistan and previous interventions i mean they say

they've learned their lessons have well they're the only lesson i draw from any of these is don't do it they haven't learned that lesson the they're clearly going to start looking for another one i mean i imagine it's going to be some trouble in syria i don't know what they're going to do with i mean iran is if you do not invade iran and this you're out of your mind and it's a huge country iraq with a pretty big country and we found that very difficult afghanistan at least a small but we're getting a bloody nose that. i mean i guess the lesson of libya is it's a really small country might get away with it nato are applauding themselves this is the model of a successful intervention why is this not happening in syria and yemen and places and i think the reason is that they thought it would be a good idea and it worked. it was easy to do you could run it from a few aircraft carriers and bases and measuring so it was a doable enterprise you could put in special forces quite easily got too many people noticing. i just think it would be if it came along at the time i was

couldn't rise why didn't do burma when the famine was on the very good example where you could have. total forces available which would have been there to do it in a cave. i mean i think these things are completely random now it's difficult to see how you orchestra. great a foreign policy based upon these random interventions as for nature and what is it to do with nature and it is no one to alliance against the russians it's it is i repeat it's like a mercenary force roaming the world looking for things to do completely stuck in afghanistan it may yet get stuck in libya it can intervention work that the principle of it works if it works you get it topple saddam hussein. punished the taliban topple gadhafi works how should they subpoena her house a living thing i was a little we've left syria or we've already know that we've left let yemen or why libya is this not turning your back on oppressive regimes killing civilians where

you were you to was your back there in the first place i mean what i don't understand the argument would. be turning our back on somalia. i mean are we turning our back on to be turn our back on the congo the congo in somalia for worst of the bia no one's going screaming why are we attacking congress and somalia i'm afraid is because they're black. and i think you will see that in the of the very near you very racial processed operations for some reason we've got it in for missing a cause of them i mean and this is the third one being invaded. also before you go here because of it and. the mystery gives out to the world is that the west is highly biased is that they did is interested in oil it will help you if you if you look as if you're in with a chance you're going to if you're not and as for the rest of africa. what does this mean now for the arab spring does this intervention reinforce it or undermine

it i did it remains for a what is the arab spring i mean the arab spring was was was a number of rebellions most of which were suppressed. too now three of which would go away you didn't it was going to mean egypt yes we didn't want spring. or could well be that the borrowing a better off for most of the top of the governments before but. when they went to the top of that i just they met all i knows is more responsibility there is no british empire anymore you know we are not charged by the electorate or by the world to go around invading other people's countries we don't like their regimes it's just not our job simon jenkins thank you.

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crowds clashed with police in athens as parliament passes a new property tax to pay for its massive dead this is the e.u. president warns the bloc faces its biggest challenge ever and that further economic integration is vital. quarter violence delays talks between serbia and breakaway kosovo after several people were injured in clashes between ethnic serbs and nato troops russia's foreign ministry wants peacekeeping forces to remain neutral and stick to the un resolution. and a wave of global disapproval it's israel which has announced the building of a lot of one hundred new settler homes in disputed east jerusalem this comes as the un's most powerful body prepares to consider palestinian statehood. unit is up next with sports news stay with us.

thanks margaret to have you with us we've got plenty ahead this wedding to the afternoon including the story. nor the need to welcome champions league group. as they attempt to earn their first points of this year's campaign. bottling ball or a wall of the most famous basketball stars n.b.a. hall of famer. a heart attack. trying times we. feared constantine ratch call food the spike how many storming the world cup fines and self-seeking. is coming up but we start with football we're following defeat to enter last night xin meets have the chance to get one back for russia in the champions league in a few hours time this in petersburg side at home to pour so litter on the. side though missing

a few key men for the visit of the europa league holders. the most notable he suspended after being sent off in. a well a fortnight ago though yet another portuguese international dummy is raring to go with the attacker one of the prime reasons. these charges not top the russian premier league defeat. it's all of the question for the need to if they wish to make the playoffs stages all of the champions league for the first time though porto will enter the tie us favorites. aside from agreed achievements meet in his history but you produced a lot of very strong players. and quite a lot of straw men. and it says a lot about the strength of that it's well organized and has great traditions. meanwhile porto currently top group g. following a come from behind win over ukrainian shock game we won russia is historically be hunting ground for porto with the club's four previous trips to the country all

ending in triumph however none of those wins came against the needs who are known domestically for their strong home record. so the new. schools need is one of the strongest teams in europe it's enough to see the group used to well you know it seem now please their news danny who plays in the national team alexander. is a manager who is well known around the world. meanwhile reaming champions barcelona are preparing to me. off the bell russian side enjoying their second ever appearance at the tournament bar so began their title defense with a draw to home against fellow european giants milan a fortnight ago. against czech pleasant also ended with a draw meaning all four teens are tied with a point of pace in their group. elsewhere too much harden champions league

teams chelsea and valencia prefer to go head to head with them a style of their english side lead groupie after beating by leverkusen two million can we then see how to be content with a draw against belgians gang chelsea midfielder juan mata to the game's intrigue after completing his move from valencia earlier in the. let's move on from football where portland trail blazers legend are on this has suffered a heart attack while playing basketball in the but his condition is not believed to be life threatening their lithuanian star center widely regarded as the soviet union's greatest ever boss ball player was taken to hospital for emergency medical care is expected to remain there for at least one week the eighth time european player. of the year played in his home country for. the entire nine hundred eighty s. and for cortland on early on and off the next decade he also reached the olympic podium

three times on was inducted into the n.b.a. hall of fame of this summer. our very best to him now the olympics in london kick off in under ten months time meaning it's all hands to the pump for games organizers however there chairman of the british olympic association still managed to find some time for a little cooperation with his russian colleagues president of the russian olympic committee alexander if you call fun order signing a cooperation memorandum between the nations the agreement stating that the countries will share training camp experience in sports science will even swap coaches on specialists over the next three quarters of a year or more than a former olympic medalist in rowing games in one hundred eighty experience. we are both host cities so there's much we can learn from each other and we intend to do so secondly and very important we are both for the athletes so we'll be looking at areas of cooperation in the winter sports as well as in some sports to see how we

can take forward coaching exchange of information exchange preparation of the athletes a whole range of different issues to support the athletes in both countries. ok we move to be where and the world cup were russia's final match at the world cup is counting di know the tip on a street in nelson on saturday our correspondent richard caught up with one player who certainly up his reputation in new zealand that is constantine ruch cough this spiked up the flyhalf ny finds himself without a clue. it's been a tough debut world cup from the russians but they were finally given the chance to the best. of lucrative benchmark and road to ruin. jumping off a forty forty beats a powerful one will be everyone's idea of fun but certainly will sure didn't simply keep it short. but twenty year old completed one lifelong ambition recently was

going to try on his world cup debut album over christmas creative also on the socal sperry first bungee jump. however we know it wasn't the only one wants a piece of dash and is followed by passing the stream if p.t. is keen for himself all from i'm going to be highlights. i'm of hampton st clair said it was a fantastic frail. bustling i've dreamt of this there's a while before and this is a dream come true hopefully i'll have a nice strength to go to the bungee jump as. the play is still trying to roy it's time off to time up the time. even though some of russia's challenges seem more interested in getting better acquainted with the local animal population. england recently got run be criticized for doing similar to duties of the russian coach kingsley jones couldn't have been

more different in his approach saying it was a wonderful distraction from the play is a ploy i think it's important you know we've worked hard for the last. hundred twenty days and they need to refresh recharge no. technical things we can work on the thing is going to. make us part of the reforms constrain years everybody refresh mentally physically and you know the mental thing mental rest and change from coaching is and getting coaching training every day is important of course discipline testing breakable russian players to make great use of their free time while many of whom productivity's like this for the first time in their lives but there was no way that all teams correspondent was going to get away scot free. or tom. bryant was very married now. so i am forty meters on their.

own say. i managed to live to tell the tale just about. but didn't prove to be the end of my new found freedom seeking experience. the russian favorite is all good this ought to give it a try as well on a. russian number seven company so i was going to go. russia will my move to nelson on wednesday ahead of their final world cup game tournament finished on saturday they will certainly have some fantastic memories. roger member of great. newsreader. every time i see that makes me a little bit more jealous good stuff to richard i'm not his all the sports whether it's all next year in twenty four hour are t.l.c.'s.

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