who lives in this new cities jerusalem it comes to be a very powerful body of homicide stated a membership to the permission commission which will consider it on friday. newquay and other western countries still very much involved in the libyan conflict one of britain's leading newspaper column this now tells us why nations like his begin choose when to deploy humanitarian help. i'm joined by simon jenkins author and journalist who now writes for the guardian newspaper simon thanks for speaking to r.t. now you've written extensively criticizing the way the intervention in libya has been handled what was wrong with it was it wrong to begin with of course during the process you know using wrong with the way it was handled i just didn't you should have taken place in the first place. i do not believe that sovereign states have a legal right or an obligation or a duty to interfere in other sovereign states is written into the united nations

charter this is not a country to threaten britain didn't threaten any of its neighbors and invaded in the neighbor it was going about his own business but you got a revolution it was. said you think the original justification preventing a massacre in benghazi was that not entirely true that i'm sure lost to things with random benghazi nasty things happen all over the world. the excuse that there might have been something nasty about to happen as a justification for invading invading a country bombing its capital is i find quite extraordinary it's a. novel concept of clearly there were other interests in play in libya there was an oil it was close to the mediterranean they were lighter skinned people i mean all the kind of things you can't live by british foreign policy applied here there was no justification for it except the theory that there would have been a massacre had we not gone in in benghazi there's all teary motives things like leaks to oil contracts that are now being fought you know more important then than

say preventing loss of human life well i would if we were going to go in wherever there's a possible loss of human life we're going to go invading countries all over the world all the time i'm assuming more than a cynic i think i know there are mixed motives and always interventions we tend to intervene in countries where we think we might win you know the moral attitude we tend to really interesting countries were. we have some interest in this critical but we tend to intervene where we think i think. almost quick glory to be had as was the case i think in iraq than. was the case here there are always mixed messages but i think we always need to examine almost is because of the simple question are we going to do good rather than harm in this case it seems we've done good but that was by no means guaranteed the fact of the matter was it was not our country has gone to plan and they said clearly they thought they were going to get quick laurie did last a bit longer than they thought but some of the yes well i mean they came close to

panicking i mean they thought bombers could do the trick bombs can never do the trick they said they would do the trick in baghdad they didn't do the trick in belgrade they didn't bomb was never do the trick after a few months of it clearly not working they decided to put in gret what is effectively ground troops and special forces went in all over the place they did what i think probably they should have done the very beginning which say that we want this one over quickly it would be over quickly if we go in with ground troops as was the case in kosovo and eventually after six months they didn't do. no good pretending this was done by the libyans it was done by western forces britain's role in this as you just mentioned they had special forces on the ground but we haven't know the full extent of that because it wasn't even legitimate in the first place was it well i mean we wrote the un resolution is concerned we are doing we we decided to do it then we felt the reasons for doing it we decided there's going to be a massacre in benghazi we decided we need a un resolution written in a certain way we claim to be going in to protect civilians will be ended up bombing

. i mean all the things that were done with the intention of justifying british french and of libya. i'm assuming that we'll know much more over time because all the special forces will start running their memoirs as they always do the mission creep was seeing here was it planted you think or is it just an inevitable unavoidable consequence of into. i think it's a very difficult question mission creep. invariably when it happens in the great cases it was in because in bosnia people say at the beginning we won't let this happen we are only going into a humanitarian relief would have been might be in this case who knew going in to save the citizens of being god from what could be a huge massacre would have been a pretty unpleasant things a question about. but at the back of everyone's mark why the army was so reluctant is the knowledge that mission creep always happens you cannot control the situation

over ground and it was. you've got to be prepared for the worst because the worst is what usually happens now in this case it was looking a real mess and all the very end the very end you got special forces surrounding tripoli. didn't just get lucky even though they may fourth of using helicopters they would be using british weapons to bash through walls and everything in the end we did what we probably should go to the beginning which is make sure we not going to lose when david cameron and nicolas sarkozy visit tripoli recently they were given a hero's welcome people cheering chanting then names wanted to shake their hands saying it was all good for them was it something they wanted and expected i think just totally ill judged it was clearly a triumph. very soon to triumph a bit when the in the midst of the. you can't pretend it wasn't from. the rubies or to batter the prime minister was going to a foreign country where did you get cheered i thought it was tasteless and of

course weakens the authority of the of the domestic governor who at this particular juncture should've at least been allowed to present themselves as being the victor has been the only clear this was a british victory and that's what the visit was designed to signal what does that mean now does that give them a responsibility to not be able to meet i think it does i think the british and french now have a very strong responsibility to make absolutely sure this does not. fail that may well mean sending in troops when you invade a country you can't then say we've done our job we're going to go because people look to you to continue the revolution that you started where you. i just don't see how we can abandon libya if if as is at least possible possibly improbable how they could break out what about gadhafi david cameron since we washing his hands of that is she saying his fate is in the hands of the n t c is that shirking responsibility i am assuming that british and french was are not trying to find gadhafi inserting

i mean i can't see the point of not finishing the job you know we claim just the assad regime no fly zone was a joke. i just it just seems to me that if you're going to attack a country in this way you must at least finish it and then you are in the country and the really difficult thing is to transfer power from yourself as the powerful authority to the local people and i think we're going to find it very difficult more sort of message does this send out that they're now kind of controlling this in this kind of new colonial way. well we the message it sends out is provided you make enough stink in a country then britain or france might come along and help your revolution that happened in kosovo off to bosnia it was abundantly clear what happened but a bunch of gangsters who were running kosovo effectively said you know we're being massacred by the true come and save us we were in to save them and to create a new country we partitioned yugoslavia i mean the message is the west is

effectively mercenary for any rebel group that cares to make enough of a stink about it and i just think that's dangerous to world peace how different is this really from iraq afghanistan and previous interventions i mean they say they've learned their lessons have. any lesson i draw from any of these is don't do it. they're clearly going to start looking for another one i mean i imagine there's going to be some trouble in syria i don't know what they're going to do with i mean iran is if you do not invade iran in this year article mind it's a huge country iraq with a pretty big country and we found that very difficult afghanistan at least is small but we're getting a bloody nose that. i mean i guess the lesson of libya is it's a really small country might get away with it. applauding themselves this is the model of a successful intervention why is this not happening in syria and yemen and places i think the reason is that they thought it would be a good idea and it. was easy to do if you could run it from

a few areas and bases and measuring so it was a doable enterprise you could put in special forces quite easily without too many people noticing. i just think it would be it came along at the time i was couldn't realise why they didn't do burma when the famine was on the very good example where you could get into the total forces available. to do it and education. i mean i think these things are completely random now it's difficult to see how you orchestra. wait a foreign policy based upon these random interventions as for nature and what is it to do with native natives that learn to alliance against the russians it's i repeat it's like a false roaming the world looking for things to do completely stuck in afghanistan you may yet get stuck in libya can intervention work that the principle of it works if it works you could topple saddam hussein. punish the taliban and topple

gadhafi works how should the subpoena handle how suddenly you think i just a little we've left syria or bahrain we've left let yemen in why libya is not turning over calm oppressive regimes killing civilians where you were you to was your back there in the first place i mean what i don't understand the argument to. be turning our back on somalia. i mean are we turning our back on the beach on our back on the congo the congo in somalia far worse than the bia no one's going screaming wildly attacking congress and some of it i'm afraid is because they're black. and i think people see that in these very very racial operations for some reason we've got it in for muslim countries at the moment and this is the third one we've invaded. before you go here because if it. gives out to the world the west is highly

biased it's laid it is interested in oil it will help you if you if you look as if you're in with a chance you're going to if you're not. for the rest of africa. what does this mean now for the arab spring does this intervention reinforce it or undermine it i did it means for what is the arab spring i mean the arab spring was was was a number of rebellions most of which were suppressed. too now three of which would go away you didn't it was going to mean egypt yes we don't know what spring. could well be that bahrain a better off if you want to talk about governance but haven't forgot. the ones to topple the government i just don't know all i know is not my responsibility there is no british empire anymore you know we are not charged by the electorate or by the world or girl around invading other people's countries we don't like their regimes it's just not our job simon jenkins thank you.

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have you with. day to day in sport we're going to get right to the. northern test and welcome porto to simply the attempt to earn their first points champagnes of the. bottling ball or one of the most famous ever basketball stars n.b.a. hall of famer. isn't stable condition after suffering a heart attack. trying times we. call who despite having a stormy world cup now it finds himself seeking a new club. we start with football though where. defeat to enter and choose

this is a neat the chance to get one box for russia in the champions league later this evening. preparing to take on porto home as a neat though missing a few key men for the visit to all the europa league holders former porto captain and. the most notable he's suspended after being sent off and opening up a well a fortnight though yet another portuguese international downey is raring to go tucker one of the prime reasons. charges not the russian league defeat the art of the question for is a need to if they wish to make the playoffs stages of the champions league for the first time though porto will enter the tie is favorites. aside from agreed achievements poor tools made in his history but you produced a lot of very strong players full of football and quite a lot of strong managers too and it says a lot about the strength of the club but it's well organized and has great traditions. meanwhile porto currently top group g.

following a come from behind win over ukrainian shock tartan s.k. game week one russia is historically a happy hunting ground for porto with the club's four previous trips to the country all ending in triumph however none of those winds came against a neat there were no domestically for their strong home record. of calls you need as one of the strongest teams in europe it's enough to say the groom al bashir used to play now it's he now plays there everyone knows danny who plays in the national team alexander cocksure called is a well known and. is a manager who is well known in europe and around the world. reigning champions barcelona are preparing to take on. the battle russians enjoying only their second ever appear in the tournament began their title defense with a draw to home against fellow european giants in milan. against czech place and also ending in a draw meaning all four teams are tied with

a point of peace and. elsewhere too much harden champions league teams chelsea valencia are preparing to go head to head up the. being a side league group after beating byron leverkusen in game we won. to be content with a draw against belgium's gang chelsea midfielder juan mata to the games in tree after completing his move from valencia earlier this year. meets group shock char are gearing up to claim their first points at the expense of couple well seven time winners milan will take on league pleasant byre leverkusen face in their first home game stage group game i should say since two thousand and five the germans lost their first match of the competition to chelsea while getting to the point from their draw with events here while in group after arsenal entertain greek champions and the emirates arsenal drew at the brissie

a dortmund game week one with the germans themselves taking on group leaders more say. manchester city manager roberto mancini has said carlos tevez has no future with the club after the argentinian striker refused to enter city's champions league clash with byron munich on tuesday a substitute if one player. played for months is this even a cheerleader. for me become play. if you want to improve like a team. like a school play with and without. the man regarded as the soviet union's greatest ever basketball player is now in stable condition after suffering a heart attack are honest was playing the game and his hometown of calmness when he went into cardiac arrest the star center who played half a dozen seasons with the portland trailblazers in the n.b.a. is expected to remain in hospital for at least a week be

a time european player of the year played in his home country for example greece throughout the entire 1980's before going on to further successes with real madrid on portland forty six three time olympic medalist as well was inducted into the n.b.a. hall of fame this. the summer olympics in london kick off in just over ten months time meaning it's all hands to the pump for games organizers however the chairman of the british olympic association still managed to fit in a quick trip to moscow to conduct a spot of business lord moynihan president of the russian olympic committee alexander zuckoff signing grumley title cooperation memorandum between the nations greenman stating that the countries will share training camps experience in sports science and swap coaches and specialists in the build up to the olympics one who earned silver in rowing up in one nine hundred eighty moscow olympics games experience with. both host cities so there's much we can learn from each other and

we intend to do so secondly and very important we are both for the athletes so we'll be looking at areas of cooperation in the winter sports as well as in some sports to see how we can take forward coaching exchange of information exchange preparation of the athletes a whole range of different issues to support countries that brings us to the rugby world cup where georgia have reason to celebrate for only the second time in tournaments history the lowest seeing off romania by sixteen points in palmerston north a tight first half. ending with george ahead by just three points the remaining instrument gave as good as they got through their opponent's more illustrious pocket but the power of the georgians would tell in the end start. going over for the games only tries to which ensured it wiil head into their last clash with argentina and victorious moved. to much improved performance by our own team

during the game. we would like to go so we want to have a very good march again. now the country continues to russia's final much. when they take on a strictly on sunday our correspondent richard caught up with the one player who is certainly up his reputation in new zealand constantine writes call off the spiked up the flyhalf now and find himself without a club. constantin rushkoff has been on the move for most of his life born in kazakhstan he would move to rush hour in his early teens to continue his rugby development before departing for france after the turn of the millennium. he took up the sport to be age of twelve however things could have been very different for the thirty two year old had taken different career path as he used to be tennis number one. of the course a little more than i thought it would take a lot of time to get to the top in tennis there was time goes by the champions are

getting younger and younger the money in tennis is older those who are old in comparison to rugby but i've never regretted my decision because constantine has been playing for the last decade in france and once played with fellow russian veteran of however over the last couple of years as a member of a parade team which included one of world rugby his most famous ever players. are beautiful i was very lucky to end up at the same klopp as john a lot more i wasn't very lucky that he decided to quit the game not long after i joined he had a lot of injuries and health problems has now taken a box in and wants to compete at a professional level but unfortunately i don't think he will ever return to the rugby pitch i know him and he's one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet producers and. constantine had been enjoying his first ever world cup up until he received some very bad news a couple of days ago he was released from our save train as the french club ran

into financial difficulties a decision which came as a massive shock to him and now he's looking for a new team to play for preferably in europe. definitely want to keep on playing and i'm studying for a degree of the moment for life after rugby but i would like to find a new club and have no intention of hanging up my boots for at least the next three years it's a tough time of the moment for constantin. he's one of the more respected members of the russian squads after being constantly moving from one place to the next since his early teens the thirty two year old would like nothing more than c.i. the remainder of his playing career in europe and a good display against australia could certainly help him to put himself in the shop window for potential suitors richard pombo three don't to your own to new zealand. is your sport for this hour but i will be back in just under two hours time with the latest from is

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