to that mission the committee which will consider it on friday. now with the u.k. and other western countries still very much involved in the libyan conflict one of britain's leading newspaper columnists now tells us why nations like his pick and choose west point humanitarian help. i'm joined by simon jenkins author and journalist who now writes for the guardian newspaper simon thanks for speaking to r.t. now you've written extensively criticizing the way the intervention in libya has been handled what was wrong with it was it wrong to begin with of course during the process. wrong with the way it was handled i just didn't have taken place in the first place. i do not believe that sovereign states have a legal right to own obligation or a duty to interfere in other sovereign states is written into the united nations charter this is not a country that threatened britain didn't threaten any of its neighbors and invaded

in a neighbor it was going about his own business but you got a revolution it was. said you think the original justification preventing a massacre in benghazi was that not entirely true that i'm sure lost of things would happen in benghazi nasty things happen all over the world. the excuse that there might have been something nasty about to happen as a justification for invading invading a country bombing its capital is i find quite extraordinary it's a. novel concept and clearly there were other interests in play in libya there was an oil it was close to the mediterranean they were lighter skinned people i mean all the kind of things you live by british foreign policy applied here there was no justification for it except the theory that there would have been a massacre had we not gone in benghazi those all teary motives things like leaks to oil contracts that are now being fought you know more important then than say preventing loss of life well i mean if we if we're going to go in wherever there's

a possible loss of human life we're going to go invading countries all over the world all the time i'm assuming more than assuming i think i know there are mixed motives in always interventions we tend to intervene in countries where we think we might win you know the moral attitude we tend to really interesting countries were . we have some interest in this critical we tend to intervene where we think i think. almost quick glory to be had as was the case i think in iraq than. was the case here there are always mixed messages but i think we always need to examine almost as an office of the simple question are we going to do good rather than harm in this case it seems we've done good but that was by no means guaranteed the fact of the matter was it was not our country has gone to plan and this is the claim they thought they were going to get quick laurie did last a bit longer than they thought but some of the yes well i mean they came close to panicking i mean they thought bombers could do the trick bombs can never do the trick they said they would do the trick in baghdad they didn't they said do the

trick in belgrade they didn't bomb was never do the trick after a few months of it clearly not working they decided to put in grout what is effectively ground troops and special forces went all over the place they did what i think probably they should have done the very beginning which say that we want this one over quickly it would be over quickly if we go in with ground troops as was the creation kosovo and eventually after six months they didn't do. no good pretending this was done by the libyans it was done by western forces britain's role in this as you just mentioned they had special forces on the ground and we even know the full extent of that because it wasn't even legitimate in the first place was it well i mean we wrote the un resolution is concerned we this is entirely are doing we we decided to do it then we found reasons for doing it we decided there's going to be a massacre in benghazi we decided we need a un resolution written in a certain way we claim to be going in to protect civilians will be ended up. i mean all the things that were done with the intention of justifying the british french

invasion of libya. i'm assuming that we'll know much more over time because all the special forces will start writing their memoirs as they always do and the mission creep we're seeing here was planted you think or is it just an inevitable unavoidable consequence into. i think it's a very difficult question mission creep. invariably when it happens in a great case was it was in but was imposed. people say at the beginning we won't let this happen we are only going into a humanitarian relief would have been might be in this case you were only going in to save the citizens of being god from the big huge massacre would've been a pretty unpleasant things a question about that. but at the back of everyone's mark why the army was so reluctant is the knowledge that mission creep always happens you cannot control the situation over ground and it was. you've got to be prepared for the worst because the worst is what usually happens now in this case it was looking

a real mess and all the various and the very end we got special forces surrounding tripoli. didn't just get lucky when they made fourth of using helicopters we were using british weapons to bash through walls and everything in the end we did what we probably should go to the beginning which is make sure we not going to lose when david cameron and nicolas sarkozy visit tripoli recently they were given a hero's welcome people cheering chanting then lang's wanted to shake their hands i was all good for them was it something they wanted and expected i think just totally ill judged it was clearly a triumph. very soon to triumph a bit when the interest of the law. you can't pretend it wasn't from. prime minister going to a foreign country with you doing good cheer i thought it was tasteless and of course weakens the authority of the of the domestic government who at this particular juncture should've at least been allowed to present themselves as being

the victor has been the only clear this was a british french victory and that's what it was it was designed to signal what does that mean now does that give them a responsibility to not be able to meet i think it does i think the british and french now have a very strong responsibility to make absolutely sure this does not. fail that may well mean sending in troops when you invade a country you can't then say we've done our job we're going to go because people look to you to continue the revolution that you started where you. i just don't see how we can abandon libya if if as is at least possible possibly improbable unlikely breaks out what about gadhafi david cameron since we washing his hands of that is she saying his fate is in the hands of the n t c is that shirking responsibility i'm assuming that vision french forces are not trying to find gadhafi and certainly i mean i can't see the point you're not finishing the job you know we claim just a no fly zone was

a joke. i just it just seems to me that if you're going to attack a country in this way you must at least finish it and then you own the country and the really difficult thing is to transfer power from yourself as the powerful authority to the local people and i think we're going to find that very difficult more sort of message does this send out that they're now kind of controlling this in this kind of needle in a way. well we the message it sends out is provided you make enough stink in a country then britain or france might come along and help your revolution happened in kosovo off to bosnia it was abundantly clear what happened but a bunch of gangsters who were running kosovo effectively said you know we're being massacred by this which was certainly true come and save us we. had to create a new country and we partitioned yugoslavia i mean the message is the west is effectively mercenary for any rebel group that cares to make enough of a stink about it and i just think that's dangerous to world peace how different is

this really from iraq afghanistan and previous interventions i mean they say they've learned their lessons have. any lesson i draw from any of these is don't do it. they're clearly going to start looking for another one i mean i imagine there's going to be some trouble in syria i don't know what they're going to do with i mean iran is a you do not invade iran in this your article mind it's a huge country iraq with a pretty big country and we found that very difficult afghanistan at least a small but we're getting a bloody nose that. i mean i guess the lesson of libya is if it's a really small country might get away with it. applauding themselves this is the model of a successful intervention why is this not happening in syria and yemen and places i think the reason is that they thought it would be a good idea and it. was easy to do if you could run it from a few areas and bases and measuring so it was a doable enterprise you could put in special forces quite easily without too many

people noticing. i just think it would be it came along at the time i was couldn't realise why didn't do burma when the famine was on the very good example where you could into the total forces available. to do it in a cage and. i mean i think these things are completely random now it's difficult to see how you orchestra. wait a foreign policy based upon these random interventions as for nature and what is it to do with nature and nature is learn to alliance against the russians it's i repeat it's like a false roaming the world looking for things to do completely stuck in afghanistan you may yet get stuck in libya can intervention work that the principle of it works if it works. you topple saddam hussein. punish the taliban topple gadhafi works how should this have been handled how should leave me think i just a little. syria or bahrain we've left let yemen in why libya

is not turning over calm oppressive regimes killing civilians where you were you to was your back there in the first place i mean. i don't understand the argument to. be turning our back on somalia. i mean are we turning our back on the beach on our back on the congo congo in somalia or for worse of the bia no one's going screaming while we're talking congress and some of it i'm afraid is because they're black. and i think people see that these are very very racial operations for some reason to be got it in for muslim countries at the moment and this is the third one we've invaded. before you go here because it. gives out to the world is the west is highly biased it's laid it is interested in oil it will help you if you if you look as if you're in the chelsea would you feel no. as for the rest of

africa. what does this mean now for the arab spring does this intervention reinforce it or undermine it i didn't really mean for what is the arab spring i mean the arab spring was with a number of rebellions most of which were suppressed. to north korea which would go away you didn't it was going to mean egypt yes we don't know what spring means. could well be that bahrain a better world if you want to talk about governance beautiful forgotten truth for the world to talk about. all i know is not my responsibility there is no british empire anymore we are not charged by the electorate or by the world or girl around invading other people's countries we don't like their regimes it's just not our job simon jenkins thank you. please.

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a right game when i hands down we. can agree with you more us the first game of a champions league matches tonight happening up there in some petersburg. may first is porto it is quite a game one one the score at the moment approaching half the time we get the very very latest in just a second. good to have your company this is sports today plenty ahead of the next ten minutes or so in getting. northern test sinitta are underway against poor to incent petersburg as they attempt to earn their first points on this year's champions league campaign . by playing ball or one of the soviet union's most famous basketball stars n.b.a. hall of famer arvid is suppleness is in stable condition after suffering a heart attack. trying times we catch up with russian wrigley player constantine

ruch call food the spikes having a storming world cup now it finds himself seeking a new club. but we begin with football where the needs are currently attempting to secure their first points of this year's champions league campaign the same petersburg side taking on portuguese champions porto at home and game week suit with the half time whistle just about to go up patrols ski up north it is one one james rodriguez topping in holt cross on ten minutes for port so while you are among sure you cough replied for the hosts on twenty minutes a right to end to end bottle then up north with chances goal or for both outfits but the score is one one. group g. after fighting back to be chucked toward the nets in their opener. meanwhile reaming champions barcelona are preparing to take on but only saw off the belorussians enjoying only their second ever appearance in the tournament began

their title defense with a droll home against fellow european giants milan tazer opener against czech are fifth place and also ending in a draw meaning all four teams are tied with a point to peace in group h. . elsewhere to mock charge in champions league. teams chelsea in valencia are preparing to go head to head at them a style of being assigned lead group b. after beating byron leverkusen to no end game week one while valencia had to be content with a draw against belgians gang chelsea midfielder juan mata to the game's intrigue after completing his move from valencia earlier in the year. also later tonight in each group shocked to claim their first points at the expense of apple well seven time winners milan take home league debutants pleasant byron leverkusen face again in their first home group stage game since two thousand and five the germans lost their first game of the competition to chelsea took

a point from their draw with the n.c.a. in group bath arsenal entertain greek champs olympiacos up the emirates drew with brasil dortmund and game week with the germans themselves taking on the group leaders more say tonight. two more russian representatives are on continental shooty on thursday evening bouts in the europa league. while locke motif meets under the next exactly a decade after the real women thrush the belgians five one was to score in the champions league both sides enter the game as group al leaders after claiming opening run victories two weeks ago the russians now being all three points after recovering from a goal down against sturm two into one thanks to victor obinna. well they are in frightening form of lead all round in fact. charges now and beaten in their past fourteen games while the belgians they also made light work of a ak crushing the greeks in under. much the city manager roberto mancini has

said carlos tevez has no future with the club after they argentinian striker refused to enter city's champions league clash with byron munich on tuesday as a substitute. if one play ends at all to morning play for munches there's even a cheerleader. for me become played never if you want to prove like a team like the school of the company with. the man regarded as the soviet union's greatest ever basketball player by many is now in stable condition after suffering a heart attack or fetus a bonus was playing the game and his lithuanian hometown of conus when he went into cardiac arrest the star center who played half a dozen seasons with the portland trailblazers in the n.b.a. is expected to remain in hospital for at least a week the eight time your opinion clear of the year played in his home country for throughout the entire nine hundred eighty s. before going on to further successes with real madrid and portland forty six

a three time olympic medalist was inducted into the n.b.a. hall of fame this summer. now the summer olympics in london kick off in just over ten months meaning it's all hands to the pump for games organizers however the chairman of the british olympic association still managed to fit in a quick trip to moscow to conduct a spot of business lord moynihan the president of the russian olympic committee alexandre's you cough sonnier grumley title cooperation memorandum between the nations the agreement stating that the countries will share training camps experience in sport science on swap coaches on specialists in the build up to the olympics and beyond morning ten who earn silver in rowing at the one nine hundred eighty games which are held in moscow explains more. we are both cities so there's much we can learn from each other and we intend to do so secondly very important we are both for the athletes so we'll be looking at areas of cooperation in the winter

sports as well as in some sports to see how we can take forward coaching exchange of information exchange preparation of the athletes a whole range of different issues to support both countries ok let's move on to the rugby world cup where georgia have reason to celebrate for only the second time in tournaments history the last seeing off for many a by sixteen points in palmerston north tight first half and then with george ahead by just three points for the romanian scrum gave as good as they got to their opponents more lustrous pack but the power of the georgians would tell in the end start. godsey going over for the game's only tries to which i'm sure we'll head into their last clash with argentina in victorious and. a much improved performance own to him during the game. we would like to. say we want to have a very good march a good surgeon to know. now the country continues to russia's final match up that

rugby world cup they take on a strictly nelson on saturday our correspondent richard porte fleet caught up with one player who certainly helped his reputation in new zealand constantine rushkoff the spike that the flyhalf one finds himself without a club. constantin rushkoff has been on the move for most of his life born in kazakhstan he would move to rush hour in his early teens to continue his rugby development before departing for france after the turn of the millennium he took up the sport of the age of twelve however things could have been very different for the thirty two year old had taken different career path as he used to be vigilant tennis number one. of the course a little more that i thought it would take a lot of time to get to the top in tennis though as time goes by the champions are getting younger and younger the money in tennis is older those who are old in comparison to rugby but i've never regretted my decision because constantine has been playing for the last decade in france and once played with fellow russian

veteran of however over the last couple of years as a member of a tirade team which included one of world rugby his most famous ever player is. full i was very lucky to end up at the same kloppers join a lot more but i wasn't very lucky that he decided to quit the game not long after i joined he had a lot of injuries and health problems he's now taken up walks in and wants to compete at a professional level but unfortunately i don't think he will ever return to the rugby pitch i know him and he's one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet producers and. constantine had been enjoying his first ever world cup up until he received some very bad news a couple of days ago he was released from a save as the french club ran into financial difficulties a decision which came as a massive shock to him and now he's looking for a new team to play for preferably in europe. definitely want to keep on playing

and i'm studying for a degree of the moment for life after rugby but i would like to find a new club and have no intention of hanging up my boots for at least the next three years it's a tough time of the moment for comes. one teen who is one of the more respected members of the russian squad after being constantly moving from one place to the next since his early teens the thirty two year old would like nothing more than to see how the remained of his playing career in europe and a good display against australia could certainly help him to put himself in the shop window for potential suitors which of. new zealand. i am sure he won't have to wait too long to get a club that is all the sports world whether it's next analysis here with all the news at the top of the hour.

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