humanitarian health. i'm joined by simon jenkins author and journalist who now writes for the guardian newspaper someone to speak to r.t. now you've written extensively criticizing the way the intervention in libya has been handled what was wrong with it was it wrong to begin with of course during the process. wrong with the way it was handled i just didn't you should have taken place in the first place. i do not believe that sovereign states have a legal right or an obligation or a duty to interfere in other sovereign states is written into the united nations charter this is not a country to threaten britain didn't threaten any of its neighbors and invaded in a neighbor it was going about his own business but you got a revolution it was. said you think the original justification preventing a massacre in benghazi was that not entirely true that i was sure last of things would happen and benghazi nasty things happen all over the world. the excuse that

there might have been something nasty about to happen the justification for invading turkey invading a country bombing its capital is i find quite extraordinary it's a. noble concept of clearly there were other interests in play in libya there was or oil it was close to the mediterranean they were lighter skinned people i mean all the kind of things you can live by british foreign policy applied here there was no justification for it except the theory that there would have been a massacre had we not gone in benghazi those all teary motives things like leaks to oil contracts that are now being fought you know more important then than say preventing loss of human life well i would if we were going to go in wherever there's a possible loss of human life we're going to go invading countries all over the world all the time i'm assuming more than a cynic i think i know there are mixed motives in always interventions we tend to intervene in countries where we think we might win you know the moral attitude we

tend to really interesting countries were. we have some interest in this critical but we tend to intervene where we think i think. almost quick glory to be had as was the case i think in iraq than. was the case here there are always mixed messages but i think we always need to examine almost is because of the simple question are we going to do good rather than in this case it seems we've done good . that was by no means guaranteed the fact of the matter was it was not our country has gone to plan and this is clearly they thought they were going to get quick laurie did last a bit longer than they thought but some of the yes well i mean they came close to panicking i mean they thought bombers could do the trick bombs can never do the trick they said they would do the trick in baghdad they didn't they said do the trick in belgrade they didn't bomb was never do the trick after a few months of it clearly not working they decided to put in gret what is effectively ground troops and special forces went in all over the place they did what i think probably they should have done the very beginning which say that we

want this one over quickly it would be over quickly if we go in with ground troops as was the case in kosovo and eventually after six months they didn't do. no good pretending this was done by the libyans it was done by western forces britain's role in this as you just mentioned they had special forces on the ground but we haven't know the full extent of that because it wasn't even legitimate in the first place was it well i mean we wrote the un resolution is concerned we entirely are doing we we decided to do it then we found reasons for doing it we decided there's going to be a massacre in benghazi we decided we need a un resolution written a certain way we claim to be going in to protect civilians will be. i mean all the things that were done with the intention of justifying a british french invasion of libya. i mean that we'll know much more over time because all the special forces will start writing their memoirs as they always do the mission creep was seeing here was it planted you think or is it just an

inevitable unavoidable consequence of into. i think it's a very difficult question mission creep. invariably when it happens in a great case was it was in because in bosnia people say at the beginning we won't let this happen we are only going into a humanitarian relief would have been might be in this case who are you going in to save the citizens of bingo and from what could be a huge massacre would've been a pretty unpleasant things a question about. but at the back of everyone's mind the why the only so reluctant is the knowledge that mission creep always happens you cannot control the situation over ground which. you've got to be prepared for the worst because the worst is what usually happens now in this case it was looking a real mess and all the very end the very end you got special forces surrounding tripoli. didn't just get lucky even though they may fourth of using helicopters. using british weapons to bash through walls and everything in the end we did what

we probably should go to the beginning which is make sure we not going to lose when david cameron and nicolas sarkozy visit tripoli recently they were given a hero's welcome people cheering chanting then names wanted to shake their hands she was good for them was it something they wanted and expected i think just totally ill judged it was clearly a triumph. very soon to triumph a bit when the end is to the law. you can't pretend it wasn't from. the group these are two prime ministers going to a foreign country with good cheer i thought it was tasteless and of course weakens the authority of the of the domestic government who at this particular juncture should've at least been allowed to present themselves as being the victor has been the only clear this was a british french victory and that's what the visit was designed to signal and what does that mean now does that give them a responsibility to not be able to meet i think it does i think the british and the

french now have a very strong responsibility to make absolutely sure this does not. fail that may well mean sending in troops when you invade a country you can't then say we've done our job we're going to go because people look to you to continue the revolution that you started where you. i just don't see how we can abandon libya if if as is at least possible possibly improbable unlikely breaks out what about gadhafi david cameron since we washed his hands of that is she saying his fate is in the hands of the n t c is that shirking responsibility i am assuming that vision french forces are not trying to find gadhafi inserting i mean i can't see the point of not finishing the job you know we claim just the assad regime no fly zone was a joke. i just it just seems to me that if you're going to attack a country in this way you must at least finish it and then you end the country and the really difficult thing is to transfer power from yourself as the powerful authority to the local people and i think we're going to find that very difficult

more sort of message does this send out that they're now kind of controlling this in this kind of needle in a way. well we the message it sends out is provided you make enough stink in a country then britain or france might come along and help your revolution that happened in kosovo off to bosnia it was abundantly clear what happened but a bunch of gangsters who were running kosovo effectively said you know we're being massacred by this which was certainly true come and save us we. had to create a new country and we partitioned yugoslavia i mean the message is the west is effectively mercenary army for any rebel group that cares to make enough of a stink about it and i just think that's dangerous to world peace how different is this really from iraq afghanistan and previous interventions i mean they say they've learned their lessons have. the only lesson i draw from any of these is don't do it they haven't learned that lesson clearly going to start looking for

another one i mean i imagine it's going to be some trouble in syria i don't know what they're going to do with i mean iran is if you do not invade iran and this you're out of your mind and it's a huge country iraq is a pretty big country and we found that very difficult afghanistan at least it's small but we're getting a bloody nose that. i mean i guess the lesson of libya is if it's a really small country might get away with it. applauding themselves this is the model of a successful intervention why is this not happening in syria and yemen and places i think the reason is that they thought it would be a good idea and it would. it was easy to do if you could run it from a few areas and bases and measuring so it was a doable enterprise you could put in special forces quite easily without too many people noticing. i just think it would be it came along at the time i was couldn't realize why they didn't do. the famine it was on the very good example where you could have had to be total forces available. to do it in

a cage and. i mean i think these things are completely random now it's difficult to see how you orchestra. rate a foreign policy based upon these random interventions as for nature and what is it to do with nature and nature is. alliance against the russians it's i repeat it's like a false roaming the world looking for things to do completely stuck in afghanistan it may yet get stuck in libya can intervention work that the principle of it works if it works. if it toppled saddam hussein. punished the taliban and topple gadhafi works how should this have been handled how should leave you think i was a little we've left syria or we've. we've left. why libya is this not turning over oppressive regimes killing civilians where you were you to was your back there in the first place when what i don't understand the argument to

. be turning our back on somalia. i mean are we turning our back on the beach on our back on the congo congo and somalia or for worse of the bia no one's going screaming while we're talking congress and somalia i'm afraid just because they're black. and i think you will see that these are very very racial operations for some reason we've got it in for muslim countries at the moment and this is the third one we've innovated. before you go here because of it and. the mystery gives out to the world is the west is highly biased it's that they did is interested in oil it will help you if you if you look as if you're in with a chance you're going to if you're not. for the rest of africa. what does this mean now for the arab spring does this intervention reinforce it or undermine it i did it means for what is the arab spring i mean the arab spring was was was a number of rebellions most of which were suppressed. to you know three of which

would go away you did it was going to egypt yes we do know what spring moons. could well be that bahrain a better world if you want to talk about governance but haven't forgotten truth when the one of the top of the. all i know is not my responsibility there is no british empire anymore you know we are not charged by the electorate or by the world around invading other people's countries we don't like their regimes it's just not our job simon jenkins thank you. i am observing nature and discover its beauty. lead a communicate with the wild under.

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you know with the r.c. at a quarter to the hour here in moscow just one story to update you on right now and that's that eight people including and seven year old girls being killed in a car bomb blast in the republic of douglas stump in southern russia all except one of the victims were civilians in the blast also wounded sixty three example since an explosive was planted in a car parked on a road crossing in the central district a criminal investigation is now under way with more they sit around fifteen minutes time here on our team. in the meantime they're not so good at sports round with. me good to see you again and what sir fayez khouri able to do last night is in the need did so with aplomb tonight yeah they really did this be assured that they are the top four playing side this week in russia they pretty was thrashed porto cisco

lost to enter last night we're going to look up the story of the night alice in just a second. great to have you with us this hour this is sports today i'm you know normally these are top stories. off the marks and poor to incent petersburg two are in their first points of this year's champions league campaign. bottling ball or one of the soviet union's most famous basketball stars n.b.a. hall of famer harvey to suborn this remains in stable condition after suffering a heart attack. on trying times we catch up with russian rigby player constantine rushkoff who despite having a storming world cup finds himself seeking a new club. let's start with football where it's been

a night to remember for zinni the st petersburg side beating portuguese top dogs porto to claim their first points of the champions league campaign the first half ending one wall enough to produce james. exchanged goals within the opening twenty minutes but the second period was to belong to the home side hours after the visitors. received his marching orders for a second yellow card to dangerous again the much dummy netting for a three one win in the northern russian side groupie for a couple of hours out at least. tonight seven other games not just on their way but no goals in any of them. need screwed up well could go both the russians if they managed to record their second straight win of the tournament away to shocked are reeling champions barcelona are seeking their first win at the expense of. seven time winners milan take on big debutants pleasant chelsea and they're going

head to head currently the miss byron leverkusen are taking on in their first home group stage game since two thousand and five in the same group. while in group f. are stellar entertaining great champions a limp brasier dortmund and group leaders marsay going at it in germany. two more russian representatives are on constantly juvie on thursday evening in the europa league rubin who. meet under lex exactly a decade after the real women thrust the belgians five one in the champions league both sides enter the game as group leaders after claiming opening round victories a fortnight ago the russians now having all three points after recovering from a goal gone against sturm two into on thanks to victor of being a charge luck motif in frightening form of late all run. charges known beaten in their past fourteen games while the belgians made light work of a k. oftens thrashing the greeks for one in. manchester city manager roberto mancini has

said carlos tevez has no future with the club off to be argentinian striker refused to enter city's champions league clash with byron munich on choose they also substitute. if one player has a lot of morning play for munches there's even a cheerleader. for me he can play never if we want to improve like a team. like a school gonna come play with with us. now the man widely regarded as the soviet union's greatest ever basketball player is now in stable condition after suffering a heart attack or fetus suppleness was playing the game in his lithuanian hometown of calmness when he went into cardiac arrest the star center who played half a dozen seasons with the portland trailblazers in the n.b.a. is expected to remain in hospital for at least a week the eight time european player of the year plates in his home country for throughout the entire nine hundred eighty s. before going on to further success as real madrid and portland forty six year olds

a bonus a three time olympic medalist was inducted into the n.b.a. hall of fame this summer. our best wishes go out to him let's move to tennis where maria shopped for this quest for a second pump pacific open crown in three years has stepped up a notch the russian booking her quarterfinal spot with a hard fought win over julia good years in tokyo tight at first sets would have to be decided by tie break german gorges staying well in the reckoning before heading long on her own serve the second following a similar pattern which are up of a rallying but from five three don the siberian natives poise eventually telling taking the march on serves seven six seven six the final score. another couple of russians in the last eight as well world number four is one of them after taking care of czech at least seventy seven in some style six one six two how the one side

a plush finished off. reoccur olenka herself not the notable scalp of the event of a china six three six one scoreline the. in serb suffering a sort of box midway through the in conjure muscovite current his last w.t.f. success was back in two thousand and eight inside korea. the biggest shock of the competition to date also occurred on wednesday world number one carlin was beaten in three sets by kaia kanepi is still only in canet be adding to her growing list of accomplishments by overcoming the dane seven five one six six. the summer olympics in london kick off in just over ten months time meaning it's all hands to the pump for games organizers however the chairman of the british olympic association still managed to fit in a quick trip to moscow to conduct a spot of business lord moynihan president of the russian olympic committee

alexander as you call signing and bromley title corp a memorandum between the nations the agreement basically stating that the countries will share training camps experience in sports science and swap coaches specialists in the build up to the olympics and beyond mourn him who earned silver in rowing out the nine hundred eighty moscow games explains more. we are both cities so there's much we can learn from each other and we intend to do so secondly very important we are both for the athletes so we'll be looking at areas of cooperation in the winter sports as well as in some sports to see how we can take forward coaching exchange of information exchange preparation of the athletes a whole range of different issues to support the athletes in both countries brings us to the rugby world cup where georgia have reason to celebrate for only the second time in tournaments history the last seeing off from india by sixteen points and palmerston north a tight first half ending with georgia ahead by just three points after the rimini

and scrum well it gave as good as they go off to their opponents more of a loss tree is packed but the power of the georgians would tell in the end start. going over for the games only tries to origin sure they have had into their last clash with argentina in victorious and. a much improved performance to him during the game. we want to have a very good march a good surgeon to know. now the country continues to russia's final match at the rugby world cup when they take on a street in nelson on saturday our correspondent richard roth reports caught up with one player who is certainly up his reputation in new zealand constantine rushkoff the spiked up the flyhalf now finds himself without a club. constantin rushkoff has been on the move for most of his life born in kazakhstan he would move to rush hour in his early teens to continue his rugby

development before departing for france after the turn of the millennium he took up the sport of the age of twelve however things could have been very different for the thirty two year old had taken different career path as he used to be tennis number one. of the course a little more that i thought it would take a lot of time to get to the top in tennis those time goes by the champions are getting younger and younger the money in tennis is a lot of those who are old in comparison to rugby but i've never regretted my decision because constantine has been playing for the last decade in france and once played with fellow russian veteran of however over the last couple of years as a member of a tirade team which included one of world rugby his most famous ever play is. full i was very lucky to end up with the same kloppers join a lot more but wasn't very lucky that he decided to quit the game not long after i joined he had a lot of injuries and health problems he's now taken

a box in and wants to compete at a professional level but unfortunately i don't think he will ever return to the rugby pitch i know him and he's one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet reporters and. constantine had been enjoying his first ever world cup up until he received some very bad news a couple of days ago he was released from us saved as the french club ran into financial difficulties a decision which came as a massive shock to him and now he's looking for a new team to play for preferably in europe. definitely want to keep on playing and i'm studying for a degree at the moment for life after rugby but i would like to find a new club and have no intention of hanging up my boots for at least the next three years it's a tough time of the moment for consent. who is one of the more respected members of the russian squad after being constantly moving from one place to the next since

his early teens the thirty two year old would like nothing more than c.i. the remainder of his playing career in europe and a good display against australia could certainly help him to put himself in the shop window for potential suitors richard pombo three donte rotorua new zealand. and that's all we have to leave the sport for this our weather is next then in a couple of minutes alice is here with the new. culture is that so much a lot of people at my area will visit all world cup western liberal mention is that is it ever justified for such a military interventions within the confines of international law is there a case where.

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