the boy. president obama can sure talk it's hard when it comes to foreign policy especially in places like libya but when it comes to the israel palestine dispute will there ever be a time when you see a little less talk and a lot more action. the governments don't rule the world goldman sachs rules are the same as the statement that took the world by surprise but not for the reasons you might think so all mainstream media focuses on shooting the messenger we will focus on the message one we've heard before. it's a video that's gone viral the protesters seen here well we talked to her about getting

caught first grade in the face by police last one of the latest in the movement being a teen against what. you see the ones you can get in trouble get in trouble for speaking your mind but i haven't seen a little thing we call freedom of speech all explore wife politicians musicians and even journalists are coming under fire for speaking their mind it's. there it's wednesday september twenty eighth eight pm in washington d.c. and christine for watching our team. well the request of the united nations security council to recognize a palestinian state has been submitted and moved to a committee that's a move though that could stall the decision on the bid several weeks if not longer now this move comes as leaders from the u.s. and europe say they hope to revitalize efforts for fresh peace talks but after the

obama administration has made clear it will they veto the statehood bid also this week an announcement by israel but it plans to build more than one thousand homes in a major jewish settlement so what should president obama's role should have been and will his support of israel come back to haunt him or help him join me now for more as westchester university professor dr lawrence favors davidson he co-wrote the book a concise history of the middle east and also recently wrote an essay calling president obama's words hollow. hey there dr davidson you know there are several takes on the obama administration's position on this talk a little bit about the various things people around the world have said and also why you think the president's words are hollow. well i think depending on which side you're most the most of those people who support because.

of president obama's speech or a speech. not hollow so much as meaningless or air or embarrassing or insulting or things like that and then those who support the israelis and the israelis themselves according to a recent poll think this is wonderful and he's doing the right thing well i think that the point is that mr or president obama is reacting to what he endured surprised there's received as the as a necessary stance within the context of u.s. politics. and i'd that references that he positions and. and the lobbyist lobby need of the democratic party because it tells the democratic party though or is it both parties that need to say certain things in order to get elected in this country both parties but i mean he's a democrat and so his preferences are the references to the democratic party now

this is now in my opinion this has nothing to do with essentially his reelection i think that he could run one point of much more equitable position and find the books find the american voters who would agree with him however that's not where we're at right where we're at is dealing with the needs of the of the democratic party system. within a broader political system that reflects lobby influence so you think president obama could actually win the twenty travel action after having stood instead by president mahmoud abbas and saying you know we will support your bed for statehood and recognition at the u.n. security council you think that he could still win yes i think if if if the end product here the end game isn't back it bodes right but i don't think he can get we

know. i'm in it to stand for election if you did interesting. you mention that poll i think we're talking about the one by the jerusalem post in which they're asked you know if somebody is more pro israel or profiles finian and it looks like fifty four percent of people in israel said that obama was more pro israel these are his highest prone pro poll numbers in israel thus far right it's too bad he's not running in israel but i think i think that there are you should contrast to a pew research center poll in the united states just last week which showed that among democratic voters fifty i think it was fifty seven percent or something like a democratic voters want the palestinians to act their state and only eighteen percent of democratic voters said no so i mean i think that you've got fertile

ground among voters to essentially argue for justice for the palestinians however within the party system party system crew spits resources. lobbies lobby groups and interest groups that are extraordinarily pro posting it so are you saying that today isn't that the way the system is set up here in the united states that president obama just had no other option in terms of this isn't right and you know it's come as no surprise that those in favor of the security council approving the statehood you know bed say that the major reason that it should get done is because much of the world already recognizes palestine as a country of course many in israel say that the recognition of statehood would be meaningless without first having a peace agreement of course these are the views of these two countries what do you

think though that the role of the u.s. should be given that president obama's statement last year that he agreed with those in favor of the palestinian statehood and that's changed this year what do you think happened during that year what do you think changed for the administration. oh i think i think they're. all wrong ministration. has been reminded by the democratic. party apparatus that they need special interests they need scientists lobbies both christian and jewish for resources to be reelected and and it centrally those special interests have the capacity of essentially moving all their resources to the republican side of the aisle and making the attempt to simply you know trounce the democrats and they want to respect it is interesting we recently did a story here that basically counted the number of people who went to israel on

israel's dime in the last year or so it was about eighty members of congress i want to talk to you about the united nations general assembly versus the un security council certainly we we were there last week in and week before in new york and saw this gathering of you know this immense gathering of all these countries i want to get your take on the power and the influence of these annual meetings a lot of people that we've spoken to said you know it's nice to see everybody get together but how you know what actually comes out of. well what comes out of it is that this layout of a lot cited power relations within the u.n. the u.n. was the only reason the un exists is because the victors in world war two insisted on a veto in the security council or otherwise they were going to join this thing and that veto powers come back to essentially emasculate the organization so

that's why israel can do what it does because it's protected right it is simply protected from international hundred nation and international law by a great power patron and it's done primarily by exercising movietone in the security council so the general assembly doesn't have a whole lot of power you know i think in practical terms it can send out u.n. troops anywhere. and it's sort of there to supply why people for the committees and subcommittees of the u.n. . and to exercise whatever kind of moral influence it can we are out of time it certainly would be interesting now dr davidson to see if everyone in the general assembly had one vote i think might go a little differently then so much for being on our side today less south university history professor dr lawrence david frum thank you. well it's now day twelve of the

occupy wall street protests and while they continue to garner minimal attention by the mainstream media it's clear the protests are growing in strength and number not only in new york where hundreds of people are turning into thousands but also all around the country los angeles denver and even chicago now these are people who've come out who say they're angry at the power of wall street and that the system that gives it so much power so they're also angry no one responsible for the financial crisis has been arrested yet more than one hundred protesters have been many more have also had their eyes burned by pepper spray sprayed by police officers one of those people of the young woman named chelsea eliot you may have seen her in a video that is now making its way around. that is her on the ground there and earlier we actually spoke to chelsea to get her firsthand account of what happened. i was just walking down the sidewalk we just

finished marching up to square and we were all street i think the cops came and they placed an ad around us and so we were asking if we could continue walking on the sidewalk and the cops didn't listen and i tried to reason with them explaining you know their pensions have suffered and we're here for them too and then there was a fight going off to the side and the girl behind the screen and she was pulled down onto the pavement. very brutally and the girl next to me started screaming and that's when the cop came up to you word to us you weren't hurting anyone you weren't walking to and yet i mean we saw in the video you being sort of surrounded and just sprayed in the face i mean what was the first thing that cross your mind when i happened. honestly it took about three seconds for it for it to register of what had happened and at that moment my mind kind of just went blank i

was just so confused as to why i just fell to the ground how do all of it melt all the what the reason is there that you've been coming out how many days you've been there and why you're taking time out to show up every day. well i live in brooklyn and the first time i came was on a sunday night the first sunday and. i've been there because it's just such an important issue as far as our middle class is disappearing i mean so is the health and the peace of our country it's terrible what happened people have been held accountable in our government is incredibly corrupt they're being paid by the very people they're supposed to be regulating and and everyone is suffering it's really interesting you being in new york city i'm in washington of course but i read something recently from forbes magazine that you know out of the most the four hundred most wealthy people in this country that fifty of them live in new york and

that their combined wealth is something like two hundred something billion dollars and yet the poverty the number of people living under the rate of poverty has risen to almost twenty percent so certainly you are in the city where you're feeling perhaps much heavier than people from around other parts of the country what is happening here in terms of what you say the gap i'm wondering though you know a lot of people including some write up from the new york times and other mainstream media outlets they have described the occupy wall street protests essentially as a bunch of disorganized hippies with a lot of coherence and conclusive message you know i'm reading things like this and hearing comments like this on the cable networks who are also showing the video that we showed in the arrest video which of course makes for good t.v. but i'm hearing very little about the point of the protests corruption on wall street what do you think about the fact that so much of the coverage of what you guys are doing has been to be a little you know the your fellow protesters thaws an organization.

honestly i don't understand i think one of the important things about the protests is that we're all autonomous individuals i mean this is it's supposed to affect the entire middle class we're all different people and i mean a very important part of the protests itself is that we all have a dialogue about it and understand what happened and how it effects each group differently there's not this isn't for one group of people it's so of course they're going to make it seem like we're disorganized and chaotic well that was healthy elliot wall street protester from greenpoint brooklyn in our new york studio. well we spent some time today talking about the occupy wall street movement and the disdain people are speaking openly about housing for the big banks and some of the other most powerful entities in this country but again many of the protesters like we just talked to their friends they've been called things like dirty hippies and pushed into so-called free speech zones in many cases especially

the one in lower manhattan not even allowed to use microphones to make sure their message was heard here's a question of what happens when a professional independent trader is given a microphone and a large audience to say something very similar take a look. governments don't rule the world goldman sachs rules the world it was the comment heard around the world when they generated widespread reaction from papers and pundits alike we appreciate your candor however it doesn't help the rest of us does it but instead of talking about the comment itself most recently at least not to shoot the messenger alessio resigning prices forbes calls him a psychopath c.n.d. she suggests it might be a hoax new york magazine wonders if it is a hoax or perhaps our worst nightmare well regardless of any intentions the bigger question has been largely ignored was he wrong about the power of goldman sachs and why was everyone so shocked after our right here at r t in our studios we've had

several guests bonafide traders even former goldman sachs employees who have earned the very same thing washington is not the biggest player in this the global bankers are the biggest players the global hedge fund managers that's where the action that is determining the outcome of this mass not the players in washington they have already ceded control to the global banking industry wall street has been pulling the strings in washington from the get go it is the largest sector of campaign contributions and that's a goeth parties but for the mainstream media who don't share views like these are studies honesty was unexpected survive and thrive t.v.'s george hamon when they asked him these questions on b.b.c. he just let it all hang out and the actual truth came across. were sunny also sent shock waves around the world when he told the b.b.c. that most traders don't really care if and when the economy is fixed personally

i've been dreaming of this one for three years i have a confession which is i go to bed every night i dream of another recession the b.b.c. interview has now gone viral but you can see the people around me jules have collectively drop that what you just said perhaps there. that would mean i have dropped the only red not tell you these delights in one thousand nine. the great american bubble machine in it he famously describes goldman sachs as a quote great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money tavi discussed with us recently how although people are unaware of it the big bang has profound power in society how much you're paying for gas how much you're paying for electricity how much you pay for your credit cards. your mortgages how much you're paying in taxes and how much of your tax dollars are going to debt service. unlike the

mainstream media a few here would be shocked by respondents comments. for nearly two weeks these protesters have been out every day hoping to bring an end. or at least awareness to what many call a corrupt system. and still others have argued for years that the government's actions are dictated by the big banks the very special interest on wall street be insurance industry these guys these are the people who are writing the laws that obama is they are keeping him in power they're the ones that if that is his campaign and the laws are being written for their benefit. as anger builds here perhaps better questions need to be asked here so that a different message is sent to decision makers here that the system that has been sustained and protected for decades might need to change in washington christine

for r.t. the reactions of this was why the spread many people still talking about it want to get to the bottom of this shock and awe generated by alessio was done is candor and of the attacking of the messenger rather than the message itself so earlier i spoke to gerald solenn tell you publish our of the trends journal and director of the trends research institute here's a little bit of what he had to say. well again as you said you know we said in two thousand and eight wall street sly jack washington look at the people who was bush's treasury secretary where did he come from henry paulson goldman sachs who was clinton's treasury secretary no one saw him robert rubin where did it come from goldman sachs who's the head of the central bank up there in canada a guy from goldman sachs who's obama's chief of staff bill daley where's the from vice chairman j.p. morgan chase only an imbecile can see this it's becoming so transparent that when

you say it out loud and there's enough information out there it's finally starting to wake up even those scraps that suits on d.v.d. say well why then these crazy had lines all over that instead of asking you know couldn't what he say have some validity and said they you know you have people out there saying oh he's not a real traitor he's a hoax you know what he said is our worst nightmare you know what about this reaction from the media again the media is in bed with with the establishment i mean we see that's why we call it the press that suits their always serving the people that they are beholden so do you think that now that the truth has come out that you know goldman sachs actually does have a hand in shaping up what happens in washington you know whether or not it has been initially digested by the press and me do you think that now people will start to give it credence. i think a lot of people are giving it credence and have been for

a very long time the press is not going to do it dogs don't make cats they're not going to change it'll only change when the when the things start to collapse even more or that somebody decides to make someone a scapegoat but other than that it's not going to unravel on its own because with the media today the truth does not bait you for a and as we saw recently with the released information from the federal reserve we heard from the j.p. morgan chase's of the j.p. morgans and the as the of the other banks saying that they need money while they did and while they were getting so we saw that they're hiding a lot of what they're saying in public and things aren't as good as they claim to be you know there's been

a lot of bed that's made out there we saw volatility in the market this summer like no one's ever seen both wars and now we're going into the volatile season so yeah i think we should be worried about goldman sachs we should be worried about morgan stanley that was the one i was thinking of and j.p. morgan chase who had two thousand and eight two thousand and nine at the height of the financial crisis we say their balance sheets was solid while the federal reserve is pumping hundreds of trillions of hundreds of billions of dollars were colognes and so but on the flip side jerrold i mean we hear companies like morgan stanley like goldman sachs and you know nobody can forget i think shortly after being bailed out you know under tarp goldman sachs is handing out here you just going to says his executives it's employees and you know just last week earlier this week goldman sachs won a dismissal of the case that some of the people brought against him for doing that

i mean what do you think that doesn't it's hard to not feel that this company is not crying wolf. oh again you know the dismissal who they tell us i'm going the system is rigged it's justice we're only just office that's how they got to name these people's heads going to roll so that's all different one but yes i mean you know they may be exaggerating their plight but on a much grander scale whether it's whether it's goldman sachs gang or this credit suisse swindler's or the city group criminals you name it they're they're all in trouble look at the downgrades that we saw hit the banks just a few weeks ago not only in the u.s. but around the world so yeah j.p. goldman sachs maybe crying the blues in trying to ease the pain of public hate against it after all gravel was doing god's work as

a blank line you know it's made a lot of venom ease so they meant that maybe your charade but the big picture is this thing's going down it's still hard for me to believe but i at seems to me generally you're saying i shouldn't be shocked that goldman sachs you know won the dismissal of the case you know but what about i mean what about what's going on now europe and kingston new york i want to know what's going on on the streets of new york city the streets of l.a. the streets of chicago and denver people protesting against these big banks do you think that this is going to have any effect on changing the system that you say is grand. not right away it's the beginning and by the way i don't know why people are so outraged that and behavior of the police in our laws tree and that's what they do everywhere just see the gz why they made ngs when that is of body armor to work walk through the battle of the bulge on scathed beating up coeds this is what the

police do the police in the united states have become nothing more than forces for the crime bosses that's all it is and i love this talk about how around nine eleven they kept talking about they hate our freedom and liberty and that's why they attacked us what freedom and liberty this is what the police do they use excess force to quell the people you can't riot in this country so you're going to see different kinds or riots that you're seeing overseas and that was gerald celente a publisher of the trends journal and the director of the trends research institute . and it's not just protesters having difficulty understanding why their freedom of assembly that times difficult it is here is freedom of speech and also not always an untouchable amendment to the constitution and the first in the case for some people who found that voicing their views could get them into some trouble advantages to congress force even some celebrities have been forced to eat humble

pie simply because of something they sat. an american icon legendary singer world war two veteran and pacifist tony bennett has come under fire for speaking his mind on a radio talk show he said america's actions of brought it provokes terror with the terrorists or with terrorism related terrorists well two rooms don't make a right the one who started with the plane flying into the world trade center what do you think i don't know about tony bennett was attacked afterwards with stinging criticism from some quarters and he went to great lengths to apologize to those his remarks may have offended i'd like to say that i am sorry my state statement suggested anything other than an expression of my love for my country america calls itself the land of the free but some are asking why a living legend like tony bennett has to apologize for his thoughts there's no tolerance really for any deviation from the official line even though here in

america we're very proud of our freedom of speech and the right to speak as considered holy except if you say the wrong things and you can get in trouble and artists have musicians have now tony bennett is to be questioned freedom of speech proved no defense in protecting the jobs of a number of public figures in america sacked after a promise that appears to challenge conventional us a spanish my views journalist helen thomas who'd been a white house reporter for over half a century was forced to resign after she said he's really should leave land it's taken from palestinians everybody has been fired for what they say hey you can you but not if you say anything about the president in the united states you call him anything in the book but a plan say anything about israel. medically makes you any so many see it is former senior editor of middle east affairs of the guardian now sir was sacked

a year ago because of a tweet she wrote about her respect for a lebanese cleary who had one time had been seen as the spiritual leader of the hezbollah but had later broken ties with another all sort it was promptly pushed out of the us mainstream media outlets all about consequences social and economic interest pressure rather than real censorship politicians expressing ideas against the establishment if you come under fire who like congressman ron paul who is running for president and some of them law mankind that have been a christian. they have been explicit and they wrote. there we are can act we attack america because you had bases on our holy land in saudi arabia you know i give palestinians are fair treatment and you have been bombing. i didn't say that i'm kind to get through understand what the motive was behind the bombing at the same time we have been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of iraqis for

care nears would you be annoyed if you're not annoyed by your going there some problem booed and label unpatriotic by some just like tony bennett was when he spoke his mind it's not so much about what these people said that led to them being . or even being fired from their jobs but rather about the fact that in a country that prides itself on freedom of speech that freedom often comes at a few price i'm going to check out reporting from washington r.t. . and that is going to do it for now but for more on the stories we cover go to r.t. dot com slash usa or check out our youtube page at youtube dot com slash r t america can also follow me on twitter at frenzy thanks for watching this evening i'm christine.