these are the images the world is seeing from the streets of canada. operations are today. oh i'm sorry no washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture to add insult to injury to america's job crisis there's a new crisis brewing health care premiums that the skyrocket over thirty thousand bucks for a radical transformation of our nation's health care system and later tonight really take i'll explain how we could all wake up one morning in november of next year scooby doo is our president who.

it's wednesday that i went on alone liberal and go up against two conservative political commentators to debate the week's biggest stories so far our panel tonight vince colonies page editor of the daily caller dot com and seton concert motley conservative consultant and founder and president and c.e.o. and chairman of the board of let's go over and bottle washer ok there you go all right it appears we're headed for a health care crisis in america if you don't consider fifty million people being uninsured and existing health care crisis and you guys are survey of employer based insurance the premiums have increased one hundred thirteen percent since two thousand and one they're expected to double over the next decade until the average annual premium for families over thirty two hundred dollars is going to be employers for seeing their workers to foot the bill for their health insurance so just how much longer we're going to take the stuff you know but you know i think it would looking at is you know obamacare didn't actually head in the direction of

solving the problem you're looking at i think the kaiser health survey is actually really interesting and actually sort of telling the health care problem that needs to be attacked and that's that we need to figure out ways in the private market to actually resolve this health care issue and as a lot of sand for example thirty. go ahead you know i was going say an example of that has worked in any other developed country. i'm sure i mean only one i know of a subtle i got the solution if you could the number one reform that would do it was what it was the height of hypocrisy on the part of obama administration to somehow insist that they have the authority to mandate health insurance based on the interstate commerce clause but they will you buy across state lines. so if you want if you want true reform allow purchase across state lines you'll have a dramatic rush you know that's what i was sung by things aside so that i know it's not a sound bite and let me explain why why why it is a sound bite that's one of the and it's the same thing with credit cards for example the the law and thank god says that individual states can can have their

insurance commissioners who can make sure that the people in the state don't get screwed there is local control has a very much a tell them of the next year but it's very much a local control issue and if you were about only conservative know it you would be gung ho you don't even know it's come as you don't understand the subject of people and their mandate all kinds of stupid things and in some of the cell is mandated by a hell of surance law california mandates that every put every person that buys insurance have transgenders surgery coverage that's absurd to california law that's fine so if i live in california but i want to buy and i are well taken there's only a certain statement well if i want to buy in iowa when there's only seven state mandated move to iowa you have to move why do you to move to part insurance so so you don't believe in local control ok i really want is to be a leader and i will only get three more years back i believe in free market what's the idea there not if there's a lot of unfair mean obviously if you can open up the market to a national system that way people do have the option then you have like the credit card things over everybody all the credit cards all the everyone is like all your leisure so everyone in the banks every one of these insurance company will have to

compete against one another for national audiences and that's and you can have to be just by by nature of the price you want there not right now this seven big insurance conditionally third party payer system the third party payer system is part of the problem and you have an issue where people don't have any skin in the game and almost under going to start feeling it now obviously because we're going to have these employers like you said that are going to have to pass more and more as they take on their own while we're going on while i will say i did. not tether in health insurance so the employer that's absurd it's a world work through a dinosaur that needs to go out so let it all the government let's go to your party for everybody meaning you like oh great job it's great. so care bill the so-called job creating program that the bush administration worked on for a said jolt flooded and made the last imo the last blow in the form of age. i don't find it right the so-called job creators are hard at work trying to kill jobs and you know this this franco bottom is thousands of layoffs at a wall street here and now we've got goldman sachs announcing that they're going to

take one hundred one point two billion dollars in cost by laying off a thousand american workers at the same time these the the apologists for these same banks are saying oh we can't raise the taxes on banks toure's they pay fifteen percent income tax oh my god we can't raise the taxes they wanted you know i guess it's happened again capital gains are all it is actually having gains is a variation on income tax well it's a double taxation they've already been going on it is that absolutely if they paid money on the contracts of the taxes of the money they made then they invest it and then they get screwed on fifteen percent on that and what's absurd is they charge fifty percent on a capital gains when the maximum you can deduct the maximum loss you conduct in any given year is three thousand dollars it's an absurd scam so and so you're saying so you're saying that a carpenter who goes to work and uses hammer and he's already paid taxes on the money he used to buy that hammer is being double taxed when he's paid an income tax . it's the exact same argument you're saying that people who make money with money should only pay fifteen percent maximum income tax but if you make money with a hammer you should pay thirty six percent i want to lower the thirty search for it

to fifteen. then you would be consistent but i may well see what i mean when i drive the idea is the question of getting laid off and going to congress for the government in an economy that's clearly i mean tightening is felt across the board these are banks that are playing in their belts and how does that how does that happen i mean of course they have to tighten their expenses and sometimes that includes payroll everyone suffering in this economy and that doesn't just mean i think we're trying to not suffer and what you're trying to do is make a distinction business and then last year was the year profitable year for corporate america in the history of this nation it's why do you think that money no it was it was the government i mean they didn't see it it was they laid off all kinds of people on their side not true two trillion dollars the way we wait for those for the money that they're sitting on in the sitting on the arguments interesting why do you think any company would sit on the right. i mean it's clear that you have government government regulators holding to different regulations to sit on the money they want then they'd look to that as that and that's absurd tavel there is no demand in the economy right now you know we're we're in a depression we're on the edge of good dropping regulatory and bulls all over the

place and they're not going to invest in one name one way he is not a regulatory oversight agency they're dropping regulatory abel's like enforcing it of cap and trade even though it never got past the n.l.r.b. is telling kapleau it makes a certain than ever slow they're looking for ways to stop it was never asked in the ideas he sees jimmy it go throats that's a regulatory angle it's just been brought and these regulations. always wondering relation home from you mention agencies of course agencies beget regulations and average elations come from people who are saying you know i'd really rather not have my children be be poisoned i'd really rather have the arrow come from the people's congress they can just be jaded group why exactly various regulatory feel tom if you're listening to interest and stop them and tom well they should they should they should be doing the first stop and any time they are but there's two of you are you've made a good kind of misleading generalization of regulation are you saying you're in favor of all regulation across the or no ok and neither am i opposed to all i mean

that it's a it's a it's rightly shirley and that's and that's my objection to it is that you know these cops struck a brewer start a brutal crackdown on wall street and you go see the video of this guy put the proper spirit of mace right in this woman's eyes and she was just standing there they were they were hurting them and then and it turns out that this cop has apparently several civil rights violations in the past these kinds of things apparently associated political things although we're not sure but the question and in fact. viewers the saw this picture that we're talking. are. supposed to be moving and she was moving actually she couldn't they had they were

they were there's no one around that they were they were urging people into and confined areas will arrange things in the proper spirit but that's i don't want to debate the relative merits of that police officer that case none of us were there and and you know it probably should be adjudicated so i'm curious about the larger question are you know our military our police departments all across the country are being hyper militant militarized are we turning into a police state well you know i think i kind of thought on both sides of the this issue i've seen police officers who have stretched their authority far too far i mean you see the cli's officers who get behind the badge and they and they actually feel unable to do things that they really shouldn't be doing and that that's the type of thing that has to be stopped in this video and you know i think you appropriately said you know we don't know the context is one of those things where you can see a clip and a lot of people are raised with a lot of passion you see a lot of obviously young women who are being pepper sprayed and the types of emotions that any person should have are about it's pretty shocking but also i'd

like to know more but we have you know we had posse comitatus and eight hundred seventy s. until about five years ago that said that it was illegal for the federal government to turn its gun on guns on its own citizens i don't understand why the bush administration repealed that we we have now a nationwide push by police departments to criminalize photographing public officers do it you know are you would argue agree on that and it just it will be debating this yeah it just seems ok i mean that case then let's move along on the c.d.c. food safety listeria we've got this listeria contamination now seventy two people have been sick and thirteen have been killed kansas missouri nebraska texas. ron paul state and ron paul's the guy who says you know the. should not be any food safety regulation longer you see you know. what's the deal here represent republican jack kingston kingston defended the cuts eighty seven million dollars from the f.d.a. thirty five million dollars in the u.s.d.a.

both specifically for food safety jack instant said kingston said we believe that mcdonald's and kentucky fried chicken and safeway and kraft food and any branding that you can think of that these people are concerned about food safety food safety america is very safe because the private sector so polices and you know i would think by and large that there's a strong incentive for that isn't self policing you know doesn't this prove that waiting until after the harm is done is stupid because the word stupid is relying on government to do the executed properly would be as music time and time again the thirty six million gallons of poison turkey got through we have to assume that at thirty six million pounds the government got it got a hold of some of it looked at it and said oh you are on the all there is as so and so is about a one inspector for about every seven thousand food processing facilities in america so half so i haven't thought about it so if people was that hard you know that if that company that had that thirty seven million pounds of turkey was actually doing this free market self inspection they would have caught it when it

was only you know it when it comes to food inspection and one of the few things the government i think has gone right now i think they not disagree with me on this point but gone right over time has been this is something to an extent food sleep you know what you're dealing with here is a question of diminishing returns a century ago if you were to look at the numbers of people who are affected by food for food borne illness and death for that matter you see in the thousands by of a certain not all but now in the food in a lot of the food reserves all that although there's a lot of contribution interesting factors but now you're seeing one obviously how many how many who have we seen died just as a number seventeen people i mean right now i mean that is i hate to say this but there is the government actually does actually attribute a cost to an individual's life at some point there it's far too expensive to be able to create the types of diminishing returns that actually gets people to very few. people killed in something like this i would say that they need to continue to do their jobs but they you know i don't think that this calls for any sort of expansion of their i will quit i just want to say i don't like the term soft policing because it's not the company themselves or police and it's the marketplace

if kraft keeps putting out bad food no one's going to buy kraft and there don't it's not them policing themselves it's three hundred twenty where you can see abstracts of the that's that's a great and noble argument but it's also an argument that he's reactive rather than proactive it's an argument where what you're saying is after ten or fifteen or twenty people are dead then we'll do well you know we've got a little as we were going to provide a service which is government report for question here a. is that here it is a security assessment team with the department of energy basically the same guys who make sure that our nuclear weapons factories are safe to test on just how safe are deep electronic voting machines are what they found is someone with just twenty six parts where the tools and eighth grade knowledge of science can act in the machines change the vote results and leave no trace behind so in this age of hacktivism groups like anonymous are we really to believe that they're not going to try something else like this next year so let's assume they do which new president would be brought to us by hackers and who would you be most satisfied with eight

charlie sheen's platform of legalizing all drugs be done with dropping this tax credit for one hair plugs go bad or see somebody sam and his gun rights platform i think these anonymous people actually revel in the opportunity to throw some random characters i'm going to go with the elmer fight at the end i was going to seduce anything as you know i think they like that whole like cartoon character they. go through somebody's sale is somebody sent you somebody somebody pretty good or maybe . it would be a very law and order or a dog or. yeah there you go ok i'll reveal mine during the military thank you guys are you going. to see a bill coming up. i mean i bet you didn't know your love for monday night football or a beloved courtside seats your favorite basketball game is fueling the right. wing agenda after the break i'll tell you how your team spirit and dollars go hand in hand with politics. and what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes

decisions come to break through it through it being made who can you trust no one who is you know in view with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more.

remember the old adage that sports and politics don't mix well the ties go much further than most sports fans can imagine professional sports teams owners are among the wealthiest people in the world and it turns out that much of the profit these people make also expanding their games is going toward promoting far right political agendas and pushing that ideology onto unsuspecting fans and they do it without any public scrutiny so would sports fans be so willing to shell out hundreds of dollars to see their favorite teams on the field if they knew what political enterprise's their money is really funding if xyron politics and sports editor of the nation magazine and author of bad sports how owners are ruining the game. as we love this here to offer some insight in this is from dave welcome back to great to be here tom great to have you with us i think most people have no idea what the owners are up to you want to just give us the the overview breakdown sure and i call it the kaiser soze state principle i mean did you see the movie the

usual suspects said oh you didn't ok well everyone else in america did well there's a line where the bad guy says the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing us that he didn't exist owners tend to do their business and shadows and they've turned sports into a very highly read leveraged real estate scam that goes to funding the kinds of political organizations on the far far right of the american french call it the colorado springs consortium groups like focus on the family the family research council groups of that nature you know groups that promote reparative therapy for people groups that. do the kind of anti-abortion work that puts your teeth on edge and groups that really go after the kind of basic civil liberties and civil rights that we fought for these last many decades i mean and the thing about it that's so troubling is if these guys are rich and that's what they want to fund fine great the problem is that they also take billions of dollars in public subsidies well to fund their operations that's what makes it so noxious i remember in two thousand as

you know when bush was becoming a candidate we were all starting to pay some serious attention to it discovering that he had taken a three hundred thousand dollars investment and i think it was borrowed money and in fact it might have been. funded as well companies and and then basically you know into the dallas rangers and then it's the rangers right you have the texas rangers or the scriptures and basically blackmailed the town and got over one hundred to one hundred seventy million something like that in one hundred ninety million. actually take the state it's so funny because you think about texas and how proud conservatives are of texas being its own country and we don't let the government tell us what to do when they let the government tell them what to do when it comes to executing. obviously and they let the government seized the land for the under eminent domain for the purposes of building the ballpark in its axis is publicly funded stadium in george w. bush plan hatched out that three hundred thousand dollars loan to the tune of

fifteen million dollars when he sold his interest. is another friend of his father by the way a texas billionaire by the name of tom ricks so you know he has this been for five thousand percent increase in revenue as a result of basically socialism yeah and is that actually or to rich right you know which is that characteristic in fact that it really socialism it's crony capitalism of the very worst kind is that characteristic of it's what's going on with all these other big players that the kind of things are i would definitely like to give another example to because i think it really shows how nefarious this kind of stuff can be phil and shoots he's one of the richest people in the united states he's only got three interviews in the last thirty years and according to a spokesperson phil believes that's three interviews too many wouldn't talk to me for my book philip anschutz is the minority owner of every pro sports team in the los angeles area he has taken in hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies over his lifetime the only answer which is also the owner of the weekly standard and the examiner newspapers the weekly standard in the examiner which is

a right leaning paper with a far right editorial page they both operate at a loss you know if they lose money standard us has or people on national television simply because their weekly state exactly exactly what they're subsidized by us through phil and frankly for all their talk about the market in the magical end of the market if the market really did its work there wouldn't be a weekly standard and there wouldn't be an examiner newspaper we're underwriting this through our tax dollars not even through buying tickets that's what's also very nefarious about this it's not the owning the team it's not the ten dollar beer that makes the prop it's a pocket so why is selection of coaches and know your all's no no no no it's real estate and it's owning the land and having public land given to you and for the purposes of having a c.e.o. to a. yes in that case for the construction we just thank sandra day o'connor for that because when the eminent domain law was written she wrote the decision and in the decision she had big talk about how the government could seize land if it's for a public use like and she lists like three things in the last thing she says is or

a sports stadium is the last thing she lit and that has been the very slender legal reasoning like it's i believe the three things she lists are like a hospital a school or a sports stadium and so it says sensual public functions exactly exactly who knows how conscious she was of what she was unleashing but she really did unleash something i'd love to give another example can i go for this is the one that says so much dick de vos multi-billionaire owner of the orlando magic has taken one point five billion dollars in state subsidies from the state of florida to build the new audrina for the orlando magic this is the family basically own republican politics and i was born and grew ok so you know well what's his name from there you go there nephew was over that well that's the thing pick the boss's son dick jr married betsy prince the daughter of edgar prince who's a long time friend of victim they were actually co-heads of the local bircher

society up there in michigan for a while yeah exactly and look at erik prince though erik prince got the head of blackwater the former head of blackwater got over seven hundred million dollars in government contracts throughout the bush administration while dick the boss is one of the largest givers to the republican party during that time in fact he's responsible for the largest single donation to the r n c in its history so it's like you see how these things work and we're underwriting this dirty kind of lobbying and the kind of privatized fraternity army that blackwater represents with all its murderous intentions and sports becomes the prime economic engine and for that process and in the last thirty seconds i thought it was a million things in your article is the miller hyper militarization of sports oh yes refund every poll no no no. absolutely i mean i mean david petraeus throwing the first point it blames on the way in which you saw that the recent ten year anniversary of nine eleven was really given over not to the president but to the n.f.l. to celebrate throughout the day and that was the public space and it really was

a celebration of war more than it was the kind of somber remember and that me as a new yorker would have much much more comfortable with right frankly and as i said i thought the best thing the n.f.l. ever did was after nine eleven they canceled the games that next week they opted for understatement ten years later the opposite they've stank so much for illuminating us my privileged much appreciated played more sports teams in america run like the packers actually community owned station love him or hate him they're owned by the people that are right wing billionaire and just won the super bowl i don't think that's a coincidence. i mean we learned that our democracy could be hacked by an eighth grader with twenty six bucks that's what a security assessment team with the u.s.

department of energy discovered when they successfully hacked into a deed poll electronic voting machine and were able to change voting results without leaving any trace behind here's how they do it. inserting electronics into the electronic voting machine and a classic man in the middle attack allows would be voting control the touch screen could also be information being sent to the voting machines computers the cost of parts for this attack is ten dollars to twenty six dollars in retail quantities much cheaper in volume. this attack as not require understanding what the computer were microprocessor in the voting machine is doing this exact highlights important subject these are the folks who crack this machine by the way are the same guys that make sure the facilities that manufacture our nuclear weapons are secure is a government agency that did this and the security assessment team leaders said about their ability to act his voting machine this is

a national security issue despite all this in next year's election thirty percent of voters are expected to use these very same hack easy voting machines if the rest of the world have shelved sudden security concerns and today with the rise of activist groups like anonymous this gaping hole in the security of our elections could be exploited for absurd purposes we've already seen what anonymous is capable of from taking down government websites in tunisia egypt libya syria and bahrain to hacking into emails belonging to the security firm h.b. gary federal taking on the bank of america to organizing mass protests against san francisco's transportation system and most recently uncovering the identity of a new york city cop who maced women on wall street and posting his name address and family members on the web i mean the list really goes on and on so i imagine if they and other hackers coordinated together to hack into voting machines nationwide

and skew the voting results of say the republican party coming up the republican party primaries coming up in a couple of months suddenly libertarian hero ron paul might be the guy to take on president obama and you see the republican leaders heads exploding. or maybe the hackers just want to be mischievous and suddenly these deeble voting machines recorded millions of write in votes for lady gaga republicans then have to rally around ga ga's platform of gay rights magine that i know sounds like a joke but it's serious if you are voting machines are so vulnerable that an eighth grader with basic radio shack tools can act into them think about what a collective of people around the world who do both their lives to act in computers and aren't too pleased with our government right now to do maybe we'll just wait until the next general election to act vote you measure what would happen if on election day next year when the votes are counted we discover that scooby doo was

just elected president we would be just as surprised to can you see the headlines around the world scooby doo wins in a landslide americans are like the cartoon dog apparently given the republican field right now that might be an improvement and would at least be a dog's revenge for mitt romney tying his dog to the roof of his car and drive you know hundreds of miles. former massachusetts governor mitt romney was in pittsburgh today for a fund raising visit he answers some questions about a boston globe report that during a family vacation for twenty four years ago he strapped his dog cage with the dog and tied it to the top of his car during a twelve hour road trip you know peter has not been my stand over the years that they're not happy that my god let's fresh air serious point here is that if we the people created a government to protect and minister the commons if we own the government as part

of that commons then the most important part of that commons of the government is the vote it's the be it to thomas paine's the beating heart of democracy so privatizing that vote. and you know over companies that handle our votes in secret and are not transparent and not accountable to us is a serious crime against democracy itself then again maybe a scooby doo presidency would finally lead to the long overdue legalization of marijuana. after the break author and evolutionary biologist richard dawkins joins me for a special edition of conversations with great minds. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions

it's time to break through that sort of a good mate who can you trust no one who is in view with that global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.