but can they loan a show where you get the real headlines with none of them or say we live in washington d.c. now it's time to take a look at new economic figures that show that jobless claims went down this week the reports are claiming that this is a clear sign that we're not headed towards a double dip but can we really say anything like that when europe's debt crisis is still unsolved then the war of words between the u.s. and pakistan is now escalated to a u.s. senator suggesting a military attack so are things worse than ever or this is just the same old political game between our two countries and we constantly document on this show

the erosions of our civil liberties under the obama administration but one legal scholar is now arguing that he is these most disastrous president for civil liberties in u.s. history but is that true mike riggs going to join us to hash it out i'll have all that and more feet and i clean the house of happy hour but first take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to miss. i'll say we all owe it to the news that another terrorist plot here on u.s. soil had been foiled by the threat it was an american citizen who had planned on flying remote controlled planes armed with explosives into the capitol building and the pentagon. agency rez one for goes to plan to use remote controlled model airplanes wanted to blow up the u.s. capitol building and the pentagon but rez one for duces in federal custody right now charge an al qaeda style plan now these models which are about the tenth of the

size of a real plane would have been filled with a plastic explosive undercover agents busting for dos as you waited for delivery of what he thought included grenades machine guns and explosives he took pictures of his targets how close was this guy to carrying this out. how close was he to carrying out the operation well considering the piece closer devices rather than full control of the f.b.i. i pray not very close you see the part of the mainstream media conveniently chose to pay very little attention to this entire case was that once again this was a plot to receive generous help from the f.b.i. generous because the suspect himself could never have been able to afford the explosives or even the original trip to washington d.c. to spoke to scope out his target of the friends decided to fund this you see they were posing as al qaeda operatives now listen could this man really be a bad guy somebody who deserves to spend time in jail yes very possibly but the question of the mainstream media always chooses to skip is would he have done it

without getting up and making all possible now the increasing number of terrorist plots of events claimed to foil which are in fact set up by the feds themselves that's something we've documented on this show it's something that mother jones did a lengthy investigation on which we also covered here i just brings up the question as to whether our authorities are really stopping terrorists or helping to create more of them and that's a question that's worth being asked it doesn't leave you support terrorism that you don't want everybody in this country to be safe but when you consider the fact that homeland security spending has gloomed to four hundred seventy billion dollars over the last ten years then we have to start asking if those insane costs are worth it if the resources are being used properly or if some of this is you know. more p.r. because you know that every single one of these world incidents then transfer is into calls for more funding the lone wolf extremists are and should be a concern as it really take four hundred seventy billion dollars to get them this number that doesn't include the cost of fuel wars or shadow wars or two hundred

twenty billion enhanced expenditures from states and the private sector these are real questions in our society today the financial effects the effects on civil liberties that are all a part of our post nine eleven society or the mainstream media elite ever bother asking they never bother putting human through together they take what the author already say they regurgitate it they help to perpetuate the ever expanding security state and they move on critical thinking that's what they choose to miss. now day thirteen of the occupy wall street protest arrests have risen to eighty seven including a web editor for metro focus a p.b.s. program who found herself arrested himself excuse me arrested while doing a story about citizen journalists and it's our become clear the word around the occupy wall street movement is continuing to grow and we are one of the first to report on this protest taking place right in the heart of new york city but we're now seeing other networks pay attention to what's happening and i said we see it

has decided to tack on with of course the help of people like michael moore. i mean reason people are down here is to reclaim their future not the past not even the present but the future has been stolen that's just how greedy these people are here on wall street. actors and filmmakers are the only ones that are drawing attention to the scots writers like rolling stones not i even pointed out on keith olbermann program one movement is still a small amount in this continuing to build and there is a real tension potential to see a much larger crowd here in the future. the reality is that there's a lot of real anger out there and it's the movement is growing organically i think just because people know that there's something to protest and they're coming out and all these people are distressed and there is enough real distress desperation out there that this could transform into a real where where there's enough really angry people to scare people and. now the

movement is growing in d.c. with two large labor unions expressing their support for occupy wall street it's business insider report of the teamsters and declared their solidarity and the new york transit workers union has also voted to support occupy wall street and the new york transit workers union consists of individuals who are for airlines transit and utility companies and it represents over two hundred thousand members and retirees in twenty two states where the protesters of occupy wall street have expressed their solidarity with the teamsters local eight fourteen who have been locked out by subtleties after labor disputes so what the unions officially signing on think that's fair to say the influence of occupy wall street has only continuing to grow and we should also note here the progress has been made all members of law enforcement are being accused of police brutality and with this video of women at the protest being corralled and then pepper sprayed.

i doing a press briefing yesterday the police commissioner announced an internal investigation into the officer who actually sprayed the protesters that inspector anthony belong at and why pretty union leader boy richter defended the officer saying deputy inspector bill and his actions that day were motivated by his concern for the safety of officers under his command and the safety of the public however when you look into his record here to find past civil rights offenses well below he was working at the two thousand and four republican national convention so i think it's pretty safe to say that an internal and. just occasion after the lease of the n.y.p.d. should be doing in this matter but it's protesters are being brutalized by police and the ranks of occupy wall street continue to swell across the country a video that was uploaded to youtube shows the some people on wall street aren't concerned at all they're actually just watching the protestors and sipping on champagne was the.

you know i can't think of a better way to show the growing gap between the elites and the other ninety nine percent of america but the calls and corporate greed are spreading and the movement while small in size for now is growing by the day so you know that we're going to continue to keep our eye on. new economic figures came out today showing that new claims for jobless benefits fell by thirty seven thousand to a seasonally adjusted three hundred ninety one thousand that is a five month low and that's much better than the four hundred twenty thousand that economists were expecting you can add to that news from the commerce department that u.s. gross domestic product grew at an annual rate of one point three percent last quarter compared to the previously reported one percent and everybody is treating this like it's really really good news numerous reports have suggested that this data means another recession isn't in the cards it can be so sure is the giant

elephant in the room with the media's ignoring here it's called the european sovereign debt crisis although some hopes are renewed today in the german german parliament approved an expansion of the bailout fund most economists still say that it won't be enough so joining me to discuss it is our two financial correspondent lauren lyster are in thanks so much for being here tonight you know how we get into the bigger picture here. is there at least some good news here when it comes to g.d.p. growth i would say with g.d.p. growth and with the drop in the jobless claims that we saw last week it's being spun as good news because it's kind of the news cycle that handles everything on a day to day basis but when you put it in context no it's not great news alone i mean one point three percent g.d.p. growth when you look at the average of what the u.s. has averaged for g.d.p. growth since one thousand nine hundred seven it's three point two eight percent or something so with far below even the average and when you look at jobless claims ok one week they went down a little bit a little bit big what that does nothing to the bigger picture of the weak jobs market i mean just yesterday ben bernanke the federal reserve chairman was saying

this is a national crisis talking about the jobs saying that the number of long term unemployed is forty five percent of americans that is there the forty five percent of the unemployed which is unheard of and that is not good enough for you as evidence i mean a new report from c.e.o.'s came out saying that they expect more layoffs in the next six months than they did for the prior quarter so no i wouldn't say this is good news especially when you compare this to other recoveries from other recessions. of jobs and it's just so much worse than other recessions when you look at it that way but so is this a symptom of the media coverage you know one of these things that happens when you only choose to focus on these weekly reports and ends up being you know this roller coaster i feel like that doesn't really take into account what else is going on around the world and especially if we talk about europe in the crisis that's going on there so today stock markets calm down a little bit some hopes a renewed because the german parliament decided to go ahead and go on with this bailout fund but they're not the only ones right how many other countries have to

sign on well they're not the only ones and they're not out of the woods even if this bailout fund does go through because it's for a fraction of the amount that could be the amount that it is up for a default in a girl's own i mean two trillion dollars is what could be defaulted autonomy eurozone and that's a conservative estimate this bailout fund i think is seven hundred billion dollars germany has approved it and you're right there are other countries that have and there's a handful of them that still need to but germany is the big deal because it is the largest economy in europe it is really the only country with the cash to bail out these countries that are really strapped in sovereign debt crises so that is a hurdle but no it's by no means saying that the eurozone is it all out of the woods even if this bailout plan does go through and you point to the interesting issue the political issue in a euro zone where you know you have all these different countries that have to agree on policy and there is no political unity in that regard everybody has to vote separately and of course i think you know there might be a little bit of resentment there too but there are some countries in the euro zone that are much poorer still even greece if you talk about you know slovakia it used

to bring them in they don't want to vote for a bailout fund because they're saying you know we don't have as much money as greece actually does are there any developments by the way in terms of the talks of the rumors of perhaps the group bric countries doing something here i haven't heard the latest with the brics countries what came out of the i.m.f. meeting i believe with that they they wanted to put more money through the i.m.f. but that they did not decide to do a bailout a big buy of euro bonds i don't know the latest is hard. what exact rescue to have planned but i know that portion of it was shot down but they were talking about getting more money through the i.m.f. for some kind of a bailout i want to look at a graph here that actually came out of the citi group report and you know i think that this really puts it into perspective these days as to how intertwined our economy is with the european economy so this shows the correlation between u.s. quarterly g.d.p. growth and that of the largest european countries and so the correlation here has risen above seventy percent in the last ten years from less than twenty percent in

the prior ten years and i think that's a pretty incredible sign do you think that that means that in the future there's no such thing as america having a great year and europe not so much that we're always going to have to you know the even on some terms will that correlation does speak volumes as you mentioned and economists attribute it to the connections in trade any interdependence there as well as the impact of the financial crisis which obviously hit both of them very hard and the interwoven financial system which you kind of are touching upon absolutely a european debt crisis isn't just a european debt crisis because european banks are affected they are running low on capital or they are exposed to this debt but then so are you asking because they are exposed to the debt or their ex they insured the debt that is on these banks books so there is this contagion effect that absolutely intertwines the united states and europe and absolutely i don't think there would be a situation where europe contracts in the u.s. thrives in fact you could argue the opposite if you talk to some people some economists believe that actually all of this europe crisis is taking attention away

from the u.s. is a problem so if europe actually got their house in order that could be when you see to us dollar decline as people believe it should be. i think it's all over the place you know because we constantly talk about the fact that nobody here in the u.s. is really paying attention to exactly what's going on in europe and how it's going to trickle down to them but i think it definitely goes both ways now i want to bring up to another announcement that bank of america made. today which this stuff just irks me is you know you really irks me that ok i may have america as it were and i just can't believe it i'm not here is a griese i have you know what happened is so dodd frank financial reform was so this put a limit on the amount that the banks can charge when you when you swipe your debit card but of course what the banks have to do as in tell you we're going to experience such drastic losses here is that we're going to have to make the consumer start paying more so you can forget about free checking for each i think is something that's slowly becoming a thing of the past and now bank of america has said that they're going to charge

five dollars a month just for having a debit card i think this is ludicrous why all this and you know why it won't end because of the way or system is that companies one hundred percent if regulations come down the pipeline they can pass them on to customers which is what all these banks were crying about when dodd frank was going through and when it was passed and it is a by product but what are you going to do you know not clamp down on the banks already people say that dodd frank doesn't go far enough at all and yeah we pay the price as customers i don't understand why warren but they can't pay for our five dollar fee instead of just investing in bank of america put that money towards us warren or you know i actually saw a great twitter exchange today and this isn't the guy being tweeted because the president had sent out a tweet saying we really need your five dollars because the reason deadline is coming. for the presidential presidential candidate and someone just tweeted back ask b. of a because you know they just got five dollars from from a lot of people out there but there was a small little battles i guess that you know we the consumers are going to be

losing here at home but it is really important to continue looking at the bigger picture even though these weekly jobless claims. i still say that you know the chances of a possible double dip recession are not just going to based on these things so much for joining us tonight thank you. now still ahead it's happening again outside of a conditions inside a california prison some inmates are once again on a hunger strike given details only come back and u.s. pakistani relations are deteriorating but we expect this game to change but it's guys that's just not. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right.

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just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old like this you know lived through. the confession i am a total get a princess and i love driving because he's a line first. i think it's. very little that i'll just play. a few months ago reported to you on a hunger strike sweeping through prisons in california a strike started in northern california in the pelican bay state prison or prison or stop eating on a protest for better treatment they specifically requested better treatment for those and the security housing unit after prisoners are held in isolation for long

periods of time and those confined sh you are often held in a six by ten foot cell for twenty hours a day and only a few of those prisoners are allowed out into the yard for a very brief period every day and it's something i spoke about back in july with a former inmate so just listen to the way that he describes the conditions in solitary confinement that facility prisoners who are incarcerated in pelican bay in an ice or intelligent way i should say. actually do not see the sun for decades. after three weeks and the health of many prisoners deteriorating the protests ended and if you have the demands were met they got beanies wall calendars and they were allowed to participate in correspondence courses yes after three weeks of starving the most of the prisoners have to show for it. so the prisoners of pelican bay have now announcing they'll be resuming their strike and refusing to accept any through the group prison hunger strike solidarity released this

statement and said despite claims to the contrary the california department of corrections and rehabilitation has yet to fully address what the prisoners feel are the most substantive changes outlined in their demands now last time the prisoners were on strike there are many reports that many of them are close to death so is that what it's going to take this time around for prisoners to get better treatment let's hope that it isn't reached that point we're going to make sure to keep you updated on this story. and all the relationship between the u.s. and pakistan has been a tumultuous one to say the least and since the u.s. conducted a raid to kill osama bin laden without informing the pakistanis earlier this year it's only gotten worse but this month this month just might take the cake for verbal abuse coming from both sides on september twenty second outgoing joint chiefs of staff chairman admiral mike mullen testified that the u.s. government believes that the pakistan based according at work was responsible for the recent attack on the u.s. embassy in kabul and he also said that the i.s.i. not only helped the network in this attack but that the latter is

a veritable arm of the pakistani intelligence services this is resulted in pakistani officials denouncing admiral mullen it's resulted in pakistani talk shows discussing how to react if the united states were to attack but why would they would think that the u.s. would attack that just more anti american media bias well maybe it's because a u.s. lawmakers have begun beating their chests and suggested doing just that. the idea of pakistani intelligence agencies supporting terrorism as a national strategy needs to come there and if you stabilizes afghanistan they're killing american soldiers if they continue to embrace terrorism as part of their national strategy we're going to have to put all options on the table including defending our troops. so are the u.s. and pakistan really on the brink of some kind of war or is this just how the game between the two will always be played. this is robert farley assistant professor at the university of kentucky patterson school lawyers. robert thanks so much for

joining us tonight now really when i have discussed the u.s. pakistan relationship many many times i feel like every time there is some kind of war of words going on every time people are asking is this the worst it's ever been because language seems to be more heated or seems to be escalated now you have senator lindsey graham talking about perhaps americans defending themselves military action against pakistan that's the worst it's ever been. considered to be a responsible. she's not irresponsible in terms of foreign affairs. or republican but you to say. this combined with the statements from them all and and of course be it is of the hakani network of which the i.s.i. is clearly related to yes i mean it's not good and there's a lot of. unfortunate rhetoric on the other side to

a special community pakistani media so i would say that it's certainly it's getting pretty bad and it seems to be a sense that even though the relationship remains very critical of a lot of levels especially in terms of aid in arms shipments and so forth from the united states pakistan a lot of people in the united states who are really getting twitchy about this relationship and they're already if you want to understand who think that the relationship as you call it so i would say yes we're not in a good place right now with pakistan but at the same time you know i mean we're not i don't believe for one single second that we're actually going to go to war with pakistan especially this is a country that has nuclear weapons and you know as you mentioned of course this is a country to whom we give a lot of aid and so i'm wondering if people like lindsey graham say these things because they know that they can get away with it and you know if anything i might just win then a little bit of political capital here at home to put on that south. i think

there's absolute is that the possibility of direct u.s. government pakistani government is experiment likely of course we know that the u.s. government is already waiting in pakistan which runs an occasional it was mosul process but we're never going to see it degenerate to open hostility between the u.s. and pakistan i do suspect with senator graham saying something along these lines that we stand becoming a larger part of the presidential campaign especially on the republican side where we may see some of the republican candidates making sort of what you suggest needs just opening statements about. that. is going to. be replayed any media and president obama after answer in some fashion the more responsible elements of the. candidates on the republican slate will have to answer in some passion and so i think we're going to see more rhetoric and not rhetoric may eventually have an effect on policy i will since you brought it up and

this is something i've discussed here on this program you're talking about chest thumping and what our political candidates might say you know those that are running for president the g.o.p. side you feel like any of these people aside from ron paul who i think actually gets it do you think there's any idea what they're talking about when it comes to foreign policy when you hear the answers that they give on afghanistan and pakistan has even been mentioned that. it's not good we we should remember that a lot of presidential candidates don't know a lot about foreign policy george w. bush didn't know much about foreign policy don't claim to know much about foreign policy when george h.w. bush is the last real like foreign policy to be elected president. you know jon huntsman who has about the same chance of winning the nomination as ron paul obviously knows a lot about foreign policy but he's not going to nomination. and so i think it's absolutely right that you know we have to look at revisers of these people. who are telling them what to say. when

presidency itself don't know that much i don't like. yeah unfortunately i am with you there but maybe it's normal but it just makes me it makes me a little bit nervous makes me a little uncomfortable inside now you mentioned earlier of course one of the statements or at least the statement that anonymous officials have been trying to walk back they came from matter all malling was that there is a very close relationship between the i.s.i. and between the carney network something that everybody kind of already knows so then what do you make of this push your rumors at least at the state department to put the kind of work on a list of foreign terrorist organizations this is another one of those examples where it's somebody who at one point was a friend now we want to turn into a foe. during the years of the soviet war trying to some extent and build it clearly or maybe i do think that the terrorist list in this case it was about

a case is simply used. and in this case it may be useful to use it as it was a diplomatic weapon against. you know i think it's probably a little bit too much to say but the network is really and. i think. probably tries to keep that work on a leash but my suspicion is that they would ever try to yank that we would find it difficult it's a lot more independent than they really expect and i think they're probably a little bit afraid of me as well now if we look at the situation in afghanistan it's not going well right now in fact the u.n. just put out a report yesterday that said that violence across afghanistan has increased by thirty nine percent since this time last year and that's something that by the way you know i saw troops and nato are trying to. not to except they say they have their own figures and they don't believe it but how much you know some of this grandstanding the tough talk is really a bit of desperation here on the side of the u.s.

because let's face it at some point we do have troop withdrawals coming up and it's becoming more and more clear that pakistan has a lot of power here. i think that's a big part of it i think there's a lot of concern no matter what we do accomplish if we could accomplish anything in afghanistan that can be undone by pakistan in fairly short order because backgrounds right there pakistan has a tremendous amount of influence and acts in a way that we really don't. conversely i think that that's one reason why you're not going to see a complete breakdown in u.s. tax any relations. the u.s. is going to threaten rhetorically or otherwise pakistan but it really needs pakistan to stay on board at least a little bit with the u.s. project in afghanistan even as the project is winding down and so that's why i think we're going to see something like we have sixteen transfers and upgrades and so forth canceled canceled and so forth we're going to see a lot of bluster but maybe not complete. so frenemies will have to say at this

point as enforcing it is it is one of those relationships or both sides are depending on the other robin thanks so much for joining us tonight thank you for having me. and just ahead we have our thursday edition of selling sell and a new times asked if president obama has killed the civil liberties of the. internet only one with the mechanisms in the world to bring justice or. i have the right to know what my government's true if you want to know what i think taxes. i would characterize obama as a charismatic. american exceptional that's. something serious.